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today, complaining about the nominating system, then, in florida trump's chief rival works the party elite, holding private audience was the folks who control the rules and some votes. and ted cruz had a message for donald trump. here is mr. trump followed by senator ted cruz. >> it's rigged for lobbyists, donors and special interests. it's dishonest.

they can put them in hotels. and have dinner was them. they're saying they can buy the election. >> donald whines any time he doesn't get more delegates. you don't hear me up here complaining and whining. that they won't know. >> we'll be joined by bill bennett, an alternate in this race. carl? >> thanks, megyn, and making it mathematically impossible to reach the 1237 needed to clinch the nomination trump has a rally

where despite efforts to bring his candidacy to a new level, insults and person attacks continue. >> indiana lost one in five manufacturing jobs since twut. ted cruz supports chinese currency, cheating. lying ted cruz. lying ted.lies, oh, he lies. ted lies. >> cruz got blanked last night. 0 delegates. tonight, he went to florida for a final planning committee and admitted it is no longer possible for him to win unless there is a contested convention. but argues trump won't reach it.

>> we're going to have a battle to see who can earn support of a majority of the delegates elected by the people. >> kasich came in second in new york and picked up four delegates, he's in florida tonight, and with at sergs when the delegates get to cleveland, they'll realize he is the most experienced and polls best against clinton. it's possible to reach 1237 but there are still 15 states left to vote. and by most, he will have to win at least 57% of the remaining delegates and both trying to trip him up. megyn? >> carl, thank you. you heard ted cruz arguing no one is getting to 1237 before the convention. is he right?

larry, great to see you. you say there are five things that trump needs to do before getting to the convention. and conversely, ted cruz needs to stop him from doing. one, is do more than just win all five states on tuesday, what do you mean by that? >> trump is well ahead. what did he do in new york? exceeding expectations. i don't know of anyone projecting 90 delegates for him out of 95. he needs to repeat that because he's going to need every delegate by the time we get through this process, june 7th. >> next is wynn, indiana. >> you correctly mentioned indiana, may three. always watch itineraries of a candidate.

where did trump go after the big new york win? he didn't go to states voting on tuesday. he went to indiana, voting may three because he knows he needs to win it or come close if he's going to stay on the path. >> how does it look there? >> it's close. and it is starting to look like missouri. trump edged out cruz. it doesn't have to end up the same way, but that is going to be a critical state. those are delegates that both sides need, trump to win on the first ballot, cruz, to stop from winning on the first ballot. >> three, win a majority in west virginia's primary on may 10th. how important is that? >> yes. boy, megyn, we can waste your

show talking about this, but let's not. >> let's not. >> some have to convert what i think will be a very solid majority vote for him. >> four, be competitive in oregon, washington, and new mexico. are these cruz-favored states? >> a lot of people think cruz will do well in two of the three. new mexico, who knows? oregon and washington state seems to me that probably both sides are going to get delegates out of there. the mail in balloting makes it almost impossible to predict. >> right. there is trauma. and win california and capture two thirds more delegates.

if trump surprises in indiana, could ted cruz still shut him down? when they get to california? given the way california is looking would that not be possible if trump runs away? >> it would be difficult but it is possible. and he's going to need 118 delegates out of 172 given to california. that is doable, but he has to maintain momentum from the big victory last night and probable next tuesday. >> and there are some cruz-leaning states in there. the question is out there. larry says possible, but pair --

perilous. >> and a third party, that is not running might show up. if neither can get the required delegates on the first or second ballot, how likely is that? that the white knight swoops in? we went and got 142,000 responses. our next guest is bill bennett. he may end up being one of the voting delegates in cleveland. bill, great to see you. >> thank you. >> i know you're hearing a new name. paul ryan said it's not going to be me. now, you're hearing another name. tell us who it is. >> i heard mitch daniels, which is interesting given coincidence of trump going to indiana. we may have a round table with

knight. >> you've got the right hair. >> there, thank you. >> how does that get -- >> good resemblance. >> you know the party well, better than anyone. who are the odds of someone like mitch daniels coming out of this as a nominee? >> i don't think they're great. i think it's toing to be one of those three and i can't question larry's micro analysis. there is momentum and cruise finished third. very bad. and i'm curious about this meeting in florida. >> they say this is the rnc. you know? they meet thee times a year and

that cruz is making his case. >> i don't know. that is the question. but there is something else going on. a lot is about 1237 but i'm seeing a growing sentiment. the guy who gets the most votes they may lean in that direction. because this criticism is having some impact about votes. >> do you see this antitrump faction that is opposed to him? they want to see ted cruz go down there because they're banking on it getting to a second ballot. and if it gets that far, trump

cannot win? >> they want everybody but trump. and never trump. but you know they need to think, too. they could step up a little bit. they can try to make an effort to talk to donald trump. these guys weren't hurt, insulted. you went to see them because this guy is important. i know it's your job. this guy may be the president of the united states. so people close their minds on this. and they need to think about what it is that this guy is saying resonating and is there a big enough group? to win an election. >> thank you for your kind

words. >> stay tuned. >> good to see you. >> so all three campaigns now have key people at the rnc meeting. they have ambassadors down there and in cases the candidate themselves. there he is. and big news on obamacare this week. the country's biggest insurance company pulls out. what this means for your health insurance. and the $20 bill. is getting a new face on front. but not everyone likes the choice. one critic, dr. ben carson is here to explain why. >> i love harriet tubman but we can find another way to honor her. maybe a $2 bill.

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launches its last big meeting before the summer convention in cleveland. the gop is hearing pitches from the candidates and determining whether any of the convention rules can be changed. that has the potential to undermine which candidate becomes the nominee. with the stakes that high, we wanted a "kelly file" insider down there to get us information. so we sent this guy, fox news digital politics editor chris stirewalt to get the real story. he's in hollywood in florida where the rnc is meeting. chris, what is the mood there? what are you hearing? >> reporter: look, normally, this meeting is attending to the verb and crackle as seafood night at the country club. but this year it's on. and the reporters are all here and the buzz is high. but really what's happening is the republican party is freaking out. a collective freak-out is taking place because they're afraid of their convention. they're afraid of getting slaughtered in the fall. and they are running for life rafts. they're looking for a way out of

it. the campaigns are here trying to reassure them and tell them it's possible. john kasich was here today. i talked to people who heard his briefing, what he said and basically said, white knight will ride in, i'll be that white knight. we don't care what anybody voted for. it doesn't matter if i don't win anything. i'll just be the guy at the end. i don't think that was very convincing. ted cruz was here. he's the guy these people like, that the rank and file -- he's a republican, they're republicans. he's conservative, they're conservative. rank and file republicans we see this in contests around the united states, they like him. he's more like them than any of the other candidates. now we have trump's team here, and they're running a double message. on the one hand, trump's out in indiana talking about filth and ted cruz and lyi lyin' ted and e all the way back to and we'll be at scummy ted in a week, i'm sure. but down here it's a totally

different message. down here the message from team trump to these guys, i've talked to people who have been part of the woo and the message is, donald's not so bad. we're not -- we don't want anything bad to happen at the convention. if you just give us what we want, everything will go smoothly. we're not -- i would say the shortest way i could say it is, the complaint from team trump about crookedness will cease to exist if it's crooked in their favor. basically that's what they're asking for. >> meantime, ted cruz's whole game is to woo unbound delegates into woo delegates who will be free in the second ballot. bill bennett our last guest said he heard ted cruz personally spent half hour on the phone with one delegate in pennsylvania trying to convince that person to come over. you're allowed to do it, but he is working those delegates. trump, meantime, is working the voters out in the states. >> reporter: sure. >> there are two tracks here going on. what is happening down in florida in terms of the so-called establishment? are they warming to donald trump? are they warming to ted cruz? because you say they should like

him, but he's been hated by the establishment, too. >> reporter: oh, exactly. so ted cruz is standing on the precipice of one of the great rip-offs in the history of electoral politics, which is this. if the republican establishment out of a combination of fear of riots, fear of violence at the convention, fear of ugliness, if they fall in line behind trump out of that fear combined by will amol yumts. trump is hiring the consultants, spending the money. he's playing the game. if they fall in behind trump, that means they could change the rules in such a way that ted cruz's chance for that 90-yard kickoff return to win the nomination in cleveland, they could shut that off for that's what ted cruz is facing, that the party elders, the party establishment, could hose him at the end. >> trump sees that as the current system as a steal, that the voters say what they want, then the party steals the vote.

and you're suggesting that if cruz plays by the rules and the rules get changed, that is in essence a steal for him. so basically what you're telling me is the honeymoon is potentially on between trump and the party. >> reporter: this isn't the honeymo honeymoon. this is like the first long weekend the couple suspended together. nobody belches. everybody is on their best behavior. they're trying to be who they're not. they're not on the honeymoon yet. >> you wake up in the morning and put on some lip gloss. >> reporter: right. i was just sitting here like this. exactly. i haven't gone to the bathroom in months. >> great to see you, chris. >> reporter: you bet. >> he's fun. well, a major blow for hundreds of thousands of people when it comes to obamacare. as the country's biggest insurance company says it's out. it is pulling out of the system

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>> announcer: from the world headquarters of the fox news, it oes the kelly file" with megyn kelly. growing controversy for democrats today after hillary clinton's big win in new york. despite secretary clinton wracking up big numbers and looking more and more like she will be the nominee, senator bernie sanders says he's staying in this race and plans to keep the heat on mrs. clinton and that could be a problem. political analysts are asking if candidate clinton is suffering permanent damage from attacks like these. watch. >> in the last filing report, her major super pac listed 25

million in special interest funding, including 15 million from wall street. secretary clinton has given speeches behind closed doors to wall street firms for $225,000 a speech. must be an earth-shattering speech! must be a speech written in shakespearean prose. >> joining me now, democratic national committee chair and florida congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz. great to see you. you have to give him points on that, shack peerian prose, though who would pay $225,000 to listen to that. the question is legitimate, though, about whether he is hurting her. in the same way many think the ongoing republican race could be hurting the nominee. is this prolonged race on your side hurting her if she becomes

the nominee? >> i don't think so. really, you can point to the evidence that we have in new york last night when exit polls showed that 7 in 10 new york voters coming out of the polling place were energized and enthusiastic about our candidate and less than 40% of republicans said that. you've got republican senators and other elected officials and candidates not to even attend and aninouncing they won't atted the national republican convention. at this point in 2008, our primary was much more divisive than this one has been, and while i'm very proud of both of our candidates for really focusing on substantive issues in our debates and throughout this campaign, i do continue to caution them to not really get intense and divisive so that it harms our ability to come together. >> what do you think, though, even though you're right about the numbers of the democrats who say, i'm okay with either one, i prefer this one, but i'll go. her negatives are going up.

i mean, they always go up in these contests, but her negatives are pretty high, chairwoman. her image that record or near record lows among many major demographic groups, men she's minus 40, women minus 9, whites minus 39, white women minus 25, white men minus 72. these are record numbers especially compared to barack obama four and eight years ago. >> well, megyn, bottom line, you do the head-to-head matchup, and either one of our candidates beats any of the republican candidates. when you are looking at energy and enthusiasm, that's really what is helping voters decide whether they're going to go out and be motivated enough to vote for a candidate, work for a candidate, organize, knock on doors, make phone calls. those are the kind of stats that i want to see when it comes to the momentum that either one of our candidates is going to have going into a general election, going into the convention, and ultimately going head-to-head

with the republican neem. the republicans are still at civil war. donald trump who's almost for sure going to be their nominee has been at the throat of reince priebus and the rest of the rnc. so they're not talking about substantive issues. they're mired in chaos. that contrast is going to bode well for us when it comes to a general election because we're getting ready to be prepared for the general election and they're still fighting. >> hillary got in trouble doing a skit with mayor bill de blasio here in new york where he made a reference to cp, and that is understood as a racial slur, colored people. it should be said is ma married to a person of color and has two children who are also. but they played it off like they meant cautious politician. then she came under fire for participating in this enl from some of her advocates. did she make a mistake? >> you know, i have been asked over and over to comment on different aspects or things that

each of our candidates have said. i just think it's inappropriate for me to weigh in on things like that. that's better asked of the candidates themselves and the people that are specifically advocating on behalf of those candidates. i'm focused on the general election. >> that is officially the ten-foot pole and our cue to wrap it up. thanks for being here. >> thanks, megyn. >> as we mentioned, the "wall street journal" released a poll saying 50% of voters have a negative view of hillary clinton, meaning her negatives outweigh her positives by 24 points as you can see. on more of what this could mean for the general election, dana perino, author of "the good news is," now out in paperback. >> lighter. same material but less weight. >> and mother's day is coming. >> true. >> what did you make of what she said? what jumped out at you? >> a couple of things. i don't think it's bernie sanders driving down hillary clinton's numbers. i think she is driving down her own numbers baugh she hasn't put

forward a compelling reason for her campaign. and the other thing is, the super pacs in particular america rising and american crossroads, they have been hammering hillary clinton on trustworthiness and honesty for about 18 months and i think that is certainly having an effect. so while the republican race, all things she said is true, chaotic, the numbers on the republican side at least for donald trump worse, ted cruz not much better, that is true. but i think turnout on the republican side being what it is, her negative numbers being what they are, it's very difficult i think with 100% name i.d. to move those numbers significant in the next few months. >> what do you think -- when you do thehead tohead matchup, hillary versus trump, she beats him in most polls. her overall numbers are better than his when it comes to favorables. but you know his response is, give me time. >> give me a chance. >> give me time. i haven't started on her. and the reality is, we have seen

him take out -- how many were there? 18? >> 14 candidates, right? who are now on the way side. >> talented, well-liked republicans. >> true. >> so does that make sense his argument? >> i think his supporters will say that, and you know what? i can see that. if the stars align and he's able to go after her, remember what he did just a few months ago when they were going to attack him on sexual ha ralsment type things. donald trump said, don't you dare. >> on sexism. >> on sexism. >> because the thing is, hillary clinton is going to get tied to bill clinton's actions and her support of her husband, the president, during that time. >> that's right. >> if that's the lane we're going down in this race. >> and maybe what they'll do is just to cancel each other out. but i would also submit that donald trump has not been under withering attacks from the left yet. and that is coming. >> some. she's put out a few. >> she has. but the whole kit and caboodle

that comes with hollywood, most of the mainstream media, that hasn't really started yet. >> do you believe they're holding back? they have attack ads on him or research that they're holding back? we've heard that. david brock the guy who runs media matters and hillary's surrogate incredibly. >> i don't know. if you're donald trump and so well known, i don't know what else there is to know. right? maybe they do have things that nobody has ever heard about. but he's been able to weather most of the storm. she's weathering the storms but in a way that basically has her under water at 56% negative. >> understanding that trump's unfavorables are higher than cruz's by about 9 points or so, do you still think she would rather run against -- which one would you think she'd rather run against, cruz or trump? >> i don't think she wants to run against john kasich, governor of ohio, because he's the only one who shows in a head-to-head he could bead her. i think they used to think they would love to run against donald

chu trump. >> because they know how to run against ted cruz. >> they do. p it's familiar. >> right. the math with a ted cruz -- >> war on women. >> it's 2008. 20 telephone. she has the coalition. as long as bernie sanders brings his people along, solid. but you know what? we don't know. nobody -- we haven't seen two front-runners with this high of negatives ever run against each other. it's going to be very interesting and can they move the numbers up enough? even if they can't, if those are the last two choices, someone is going to win. >> it could be the eyore election. i don't have a tail. dana, great to see you. he's adorable. when obamacare took effect, a lot of critics warned that the insurance companies would never be able to handle the losses. now that prediction has come true for americus's largest insurance firm. mark teasen and robert zimmerman are next on what this means for

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united health. in florida, 300,000 people will have one company to choose from. that is bad, because when there no competition, premiums will almost certainly rise. the obama administration is down playing the pull out, quoting here, the marketplace should be judged by choices it offers consumers not the decision of any one issuer. experts agreed this isn't a death nail for obamacare, but is a strong it is not working the way it should. blue cross blue shield is 22% higher than employer based insurance, obamacare employees are paying less and using more. anthem, humana and several blue cross plans reported losses. none of the companies are planning to pull out, but some are planning to merge.

analysts say all will look toin crease premiums. the states have power to project rate increases but the catch 22 is that they risk losing more insurance companies. >> thank you. and joining me now is mark theissan and mark zimmerman. good evening. >> mark this is not good. >> no. this united lost a billion dollars in just two years in participating in this exchange. there are more sick people coming into the exchanges than healthy people to pay for them. they're not alone. you have high mark, health services corporation, blue cross

of north carolina. $400 million. so what's happening is that when these insurers are losing money they have three choices. they can scale back coverage and raise prices or they can get out. and more and more what you're seeing is that they're going to start getting out. >> this is -- is this not a failure? you tell me how the administration can say the system is working. >> when capitalism works, obamacare succeeds. and if you watched you'd know fox business channel reported they're expanding care and trying to get more people to enroll. it's also important to point out i noticed your concerns about the industry, certainly, united health care stock has gone up

70% and big five shares have gone up by 75%. the point is that the more competition, the better it is. in this situation, we have a matter where united health care overpriced their marketplace. in three big marketplaces, ohio, florida and in texas, in those three marketplaces 95% of the people applying for health insurance could go and get it cheaper than united health care provided. they were too expensive and weren't competitive. that is why they failed. >> one reason why is because the obama administration put these mandates on what they have to cover. so they have to provide contraception for elderly people and the rest of it. these are things the what's

happening is that commercial insurers are being replaced by medicaid providers, offering low plans that mirror what they offer medicaid people, which is the worst kind of, providing for the poor. >> so i just have to point out. >> hold on, robert. >> three quarters of people in the obamacare exchanges had commercial health insurance before forced into obamacare. now, they're being forced into obamacare, and getting government subsidized health care but into medicaid style health care. this is a bad deal. >> we have more insurance companies competing for states than before. in 2014 there were eight per state. 2015, there are nine. now, in 2016 there are roughly 10 per state, competing the marketplace. that is why it is expanding services to 20 million.

and the facts are a lot of companies are saying they're losing money. people are worried they're going to lose the plan they chose and doctors they're now going to. my question is whether this becomes an issue for democrats in an election year? >> actually this, was an issue in the last presidential election, you saw president obama win heartily. >> this -- obamacare was front loaded with goodies. >> well, i think we've seen over time that there are more people enrolled and we're seeing our country spend less on health insurance. >> it's -- >> i'm just filling in the blanks. robert doesn't see it as an election issue and mark does.

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well, it's a story we reported on earlier this week on "the kelly file" and today the pressu treasury department made it official. harriet tubman will replace andrew jackson as the new face on the $20 bill beginning in 2020. the reaction before the break by dr. ben carson set off a debate today but the former presidential candidate is standing by his suggestion that miss tubman does not belong on the $20. >> are you anti-harriet tubman? >> no, i love harriet tubman. i love what she did but we can find another way to honor her, maybe a $2 bill. >> dr. ben carson joins us now. the $2? the $2 is like the -- nobody -- the $2? what? >> the point being we have lots of options here.

we can have a $200 bill, but, you know, andrew jackson was the last president who actually eliminated the national debt. that's no small feat here. we also had the possibility of putting one person on the front of the bill and one on the back of the bill. >> that's what's happening. he's moving to the back. she's moving to the front. >> it doesn't matter who's on the front or who's upon the back but the point being, that would be very symbolic because, you know, harriet tubman was a slave, herself. andrew jackson was a slave owner. and to give them equality like that, i think would be a great symbol. >> you're making jack lew's argument, he's saying that's what i'm doing, jackson's there, he goes to the back and the woman who fought -- who was a slave and fought slavery and fought for women's rights as well, she's going to the front, so what's your problem, dr. carson? >> it's not a problem. in fact, i think, you know, there's been so many great women in the history of america, the

fact that we don't have any of them on any of our currency i think is a shame. and we have an opportunity now to do that. so that really was the point that i'm making. i don't think we necessarily have to kick somebody else out of the way. >> especially when it's not even -- >> we have plenty of opportunities to honor those who have done great things. >> kind of mean. you know, greta was suggesting earlier we should create a new bill, have a $25 bill, everybody wins. ma what do you think of that? >> that's a good possibility, too. we have lots of possibilities. all kinds of things we can do. but, you know, as you can imagine, there will come a time when we won't have currency at all. i don't think it's all that far into the future. >> you know, you can't please everybody. >> let's enjoy it while we can. >> some groups today came out and said, look, harriet tubman was bought and sold as a commodity and the treasury, unless it's a master of irony, is not getting that maybe she wouldn't want to be the symbol of a bill at all. your thoughts on that? >> you know, it doesn't really

matter what you do, somebody's going to be offended. >> you know about this. >> that's the society we live in. i do know about that. it's kind of ridiculous, but that's why i don't pay it a whole lot of attention. >> what do you think of the fact that -- i get the controversy, like don't mess with the money, it's like, you know, these are sort of symbols in people's lives. what do you make of the fact that we're about to celebrate the 100-year anniversary in a few years of women's suffrage and there is no woman anywhere on -- like they couldn't find a woman who did something worthy of going anywhere on the currency? >> susan b. anthony. >> all she got was that crappy coin, nobody wants to use that. >> no. i think it's abominable. i think we ought to do something about it and i'm hopeful that this discussion will encourage us not to do just one little symbolic thing here but really to open it up. >> got it. amen, dr. carson. always a pleasure. >> all right. you, too, it's your home. it's everything you've always wanted. and you work hard to keep it that way.

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