ahead of tuesday's pennsylvania primary. that's it for today. have a great week. we'll see you next fox news sunday. bill and martha now. the national constitution center in the heart of historic philadelphia. >> just a stone's throw from where more than 200 years ago, 39 delegates signed the u.s. constitution. a document protecting the liberty of all americans. >> tonight, a special town hall event, as voters in five states get ready to vote. >> we're going to make america great again. >> we win when voter turnout is high. >> i'm the only one here with the positive message. >> tuesday is a big day. i need your help on tuesday. >> i trust the people of pennsylvania to make a decision.

>> pennsylvania, a battleground state that could shed new light on the race for the white house. we are live in the city of brotherly love with your questions. >> america's town hall starts now. [ cheers and applause ] good evening! it is 8:00 here in philadelphia, and welcome to "america's town hall." i'm bill hemmer. we've got a great crowd. >> we sure do! i'm martha mccallum. tonight's event is hosted by the national constitution center, an amazing place tonight. the first ever museum that is dedicated to the united states constitution. it is an appropriate venue in a city that is just overflowing with american history all around us. we are right next to independence hall, where our democracy was born and where both the declaration of independence and the u.s. constitution were signed. we are also just steps away from

the liberty bell, one of the most famous symbols of american independence. >> and tonight, we are joined by some of the very same men and women who will help decide the outcome of tuesday's primary, and that is the voters. our audience tonight along with people who have reached out online will get a chance to ask the candidates the questions that they've been waiting to hear answered. so in a few moments, we'll hear from the candidates themselves. ohio governor john kasich, texas senator ted cruz will be here to make their case to be the next president of the united states. >> tonight's event comes just two days before voters will head to the polls in five states. it is a big day on tuesday. there are 502 dell gegates up f grabs. 384 will be divided among the democrats. the states in play are connecticut, delaware, maryland, pennsylvania, and rhode island. here in pennsylvania where we are tonight, there are 71 delegates total for the

republicans, but only 17 of them will actually be awarded to whoever wins this state. it's an interesting configuration. the others are at large for winner take all delegates. the remaining 254 will be elected on tuesday night. >> something we'll get into tonight. we are also watching both republicans and democrats tonight. our reporters, they have not slept. chief political correspondent carl cameron for the republicans. ed henry watching the democrats tonight. let's start in philadelphia with you, carl. good evening. >> donald trump is looking to put five exclamation points on the back of his new york win last week. and he's been complaining about the rules and the way in which pennsylvania allocates its delegates for some time. he's been complaining about the way the republican national committee runs the convention and the nomination for months. and he's basically been making the argument that runs against his own best interests. last week in new york, he got 60% of the votes, but more than

90 of the 95 delegates. in pennsylvania, it could be different next week, but trump still leads in all five of the states that have had polls. he's expected to do very, very a big momentum builder and his only complaint seems to be the rules in a game where he's still ahead and could actually clinch the nomination before the convention, whereas ted cruz and john kasich can't. here's donald trump from today. >> on tuesday, i'm expected to win all five, i hope. so let's say we win five. we win all five states. we pick up a lot. now it's an unfair thing because i'm way up in pennsylvania. but in pennsylvania, i think you get 17 delegates, and the rest you have to negotiate. what is this? what's going on? it's really an unfair system. >> well, both kasich and cruz now it's unlikely that they're going to be able to catch up to donald trump, and it's not going to happen this coming tuesday in these five states. cruz today has moved on to indiana, which votes a week after tuesday.

it's a red state. very conservative. cruz hoped to do very well there. but there are polls that suggested there too trump is doing pretty well. and he's actually ahead in the fox poll. cruz is making the argument specifically about a controversial case dealing with transgender bathrooms in north carolina where the new statute says they have to go to bathrooms with their gender of their birth certificate. he continues to defend that and today has some pretty interesting language in doing so. watch. >> if donald trump dresses up as hillary clinton, he still can't go to the girls' bathroom. i think the american people are looking for leaders who embrace common sense and are willing to once and for all speak the truth. >> tough socially conservative criticism from ted cruz of donald trump. trump does not agree with the north carolina statute. cruz does. and he's using it as a wedge, trying to make sure that social conservatives don't support cruz in indiana, giving trump a big upset, which would basically

give him the opportunity to win the 1,237 delegates and the nomination before the actual convention. bill, martha? >> thank you, carl. carl cameron here in philadelphia tonight. >> let's go to ed henry now, who is following the democrats out there on the campaign trail. good evening to you, ed. >> good to see you, martha. live from the wells fargo center here in philly. this is where democratic delegates will gather the final week of july, one week after republicans have their convention, of course, in cleveland, expecting a lot of fireworks there. hillary clinton trying to do this as calmly as possible. she is on the cusp of sealing this nomination on tuesday with pennsylvania and the other two states. her staff is looking up potential presidential picks. she is trying to look past bernie sanders, focus on the general election, while sanders is saying not so fast. >> with so many of those comments, those insults, the kind of demagoguery that we are seeing, we have to ask yourself,

what really is at stake in this election? and one of the things that is at stake are our rights. because the republicans want to undermine and set back our rights. >> california has not yet voted. nine of the states will not have voted after tuesday. of course, we're going to give the people in every state in this country the right to determine who they want to see president of the united states. >> now, hillary clinton is still unlikely to officially sense this nomination on tuesday, but there's a credible scenario where she ends up with about 90% of the delegates she needs for that nomination, which means this is all but over, and hillary clinton moving closer and closer to getting that nomination here behind me on july 28th, martha. >> all right, ed, thank you very much. >> so, five states. one question. what were the results on tues--t will the result on tuesday tell

us? joining us now, editor for the daily caller and fox news contributor, hello, tucker. [ applause ] lisa booth, a republican strategist, founder of high noon strategies. hello, lisa. >> hi, bill. >> steven hayes, fox news contributor. good evening to the three of you. [ applause ] so, you draw the short straw to be with us tonight. you start. >> there are really two campaigns. one is a campaign for voters being waged by the donald trump campaign. the other is a campaign for delegates. that's being waged by the cruz and kasich efforts. trump is trying to get the majority. trump's argument really hinges to some large extent on these five contests. he is trying to get the momentum, but he's also trying to take credit for the massive republican turnout.

we think there are probably more democratic voters, and yet the republicans have had millions more people come out this season than the democrats. why is that? if trump can claim credibly i did that, i think the delegates will have a pretty tough time. >> he's been making that argument for a while. lisa, what did you think is on the line? >> the argument has been effective. this is about the perception of inevitability for both hillary clinton and donald trump. what donald trump is trying to do, he recognizes the fact that the republican party is very split right now. if you look at polling, only 50% of republicans are happy with him potentially being the nominee. so what he's trying to do, he's coming off the heels of new york, 60% of the vote, 89 delegates. his double-digit lead is heading into tuesday. he's trying to build up that air of inevitability and the more delegates he can build, the more he's poised to make that case to vote voters. hillary clinton could have about 90% of the delegates she needs

to clinch the nomination. >> let's get to the democrats in a moment. but it seems like the first month, first two weeks of this month were all about ted cruz. and the next two weeks, rather. and the next two weeks we've seen about donald trump. >> i think this is what's really striking, when you look back at where the conventional wisdom was. just a couple weeks ago coming out of wisconsin, the sense was that donald trump would have a difficult time getting to 1,237 and might not get there on the first ballot. and you look at the momentum he seems to have gained both because of what happened in new york, and also because of other polling, polls in california, polls in indiana, showing him doing well. i think now the question is will he be stopped before he gets to 1,237? i think tucker's point is a good one. ted cruz had a very good weekend playing a delegate game. collecting delegates, people who will vote for him on a second ballot, but who are bound to vote for whoever -- however they're assigned on the first ballot. so cruz is playing for the second ballot win potentially,

but may not ever get to the second ballot. >> let's talk about the democrats for a moment. hillary clinton seems to have sewn this up to a large extent, unless something really unforeseen happens, it looks like she's going to get this nomination. but it's been a much tougher road for her than anybody ever thought it was going to be. so what's the impact of that on her candidacy? >> the lessons we learned are lessons we knew from the '08 campaign. she's not a very good campaigner. people are willing to vote for her out of solidarity, but they don't like her terribly much. there's not a lot of residual affection there. and she is vulnerable on her left to a greater degree than we thought she was. [ applause ] bernie sanders has defined every term in this debate. she has moved entirely. he has moved not at all. so the question is what will he extract from her when they go to the philadelphia convention? what's he going to ask? he has the right to ask a lot from her. it's going to be more than just changing the platform. it's already on bernie sanders. he's going to want something else.

i don't know what it is, but it's not going to be small. >> what do you think? >> to tucker's point, for bernie sanders, this isn't necessarily about winning, because right now hillary clinton's lead is insurmountable. this is about principle. but for hillary clinton, this is about winning. it's not about principle. you name the issue and she's been on every side of it. for bernie sanders, he's going to try to try to extract something for hillary clinton. he was on abc this morning. he started listing out his list of demands. this is about principle. this is about extracting things from hillary clinton and pushing her to the left. >> and hillary looks more and more at the general election. she and donald trump have been going at each other in a way that they haven't in the past. >> i think that's exactly right. she's been moving gradually toward the general election for several weeks and she's clearly there at this point. i think it can't be said enough that democrats are deeply divided here. republicans are going to come out of cleveland very divided. democrats are deeply divided. it's going to take work on her behalf to get bernie sanders to come along. >> i think we set the table, huh? we've got two hours ahead tonight from philadelphia. in a moment, ohio governor john

kasich steps into the ring. he is here live. and he will answer some of your questions tonight. this is "america's town hall" live from the national constitution center in philadelphia. hello, governor. [ applause ] ♪ philadelphia freedom i love you ♪ [ cheers and applause ]

where are we going? >> independence hall. >> let's go. >> right this way. >> so this is the assembly room. >> yes. >> what happens here, terry? >> the signing of the declaration of independence. >> in this room? you had thomas jefferson, ben franklin, john adams. in the big chair behind, john hancock, who signed this document first. >> the declaration of independence. we sent one to king george iii to let him know we had our

independence. he wrote nothing of significance had on july 4th, 1976. boy, was he wrong. [ applause ] >> the lock was a little sticky. >> it's a little old. >> welcome back to philadelphia. here at the national c constitution center. we are joined by ohio governor john kasich. thanks for being here. [ applause ] we thought in the spirit of democracy here in philadelphia, we would start with the people. maggie dwyer is an undecided voter from the state of pennsylvania. go ahead with your question. >> so if i were to ask you to write your name on a whiteboard followed by three bullet points describing your presidency, what would they be? >> leadership, togetherness, unity. leadership, unity, faith. how's that?

i'm not very good at those three-word answers. >> okay. >> you save those for debates. town halls are where you can actually talk for a while. >> 500 yards from us is where the founders crafted the words that established the greatest democracy the world has ever known. there is no way for them to know that a country that they founded would drive up a $19 trillion debt. >> uh-huh. >> the other day at "the washington post," you said you would cut the commerce department. so then the question then becomes, is it just the commerce department? >> no, no. >> that would take down a $19 trillion debt? >> no, i have the full plan. i balanced budgets more than all the people you will meet times ten. i did it in washington. i was the chief architect of the balanced budget. here's the thing we all have to remember about balancing budgets. when debt goes up, job opportunities go down.

and when debt goes down, job opportunities go up. plain and simple. you need three things to grow jobs. you need common sense regulation so you don't kill small businesses. you need lower taxes on businesses and individuals. and you need a fiscal plan to balance the budget. what i would do is first of all, i would freeze all non-defense discretionary for the eight years. i would increase defense by 100 billion while reforming the pentagon. i would also move to reform both medicare and medicaid. i would push welfare, job training, medicaid, education, and infrastructure all back to the states. and i would have a plan that over time would do two things, grow the economy and restrain spending. when i went to ohio, we were 20% of our family budget in the hole. and now we're running a $2 billion surplus and we're up 420,000 private sector jobs back from a loss of 350,000. what has not happened in this

country is we are killing the small business with regulations. we're raising everybody's taxes. and they've blown up our budget with no hope of fiscal control. when you do all that, no wonder why we have terrible economic growth, which has led to hurting the middle class, which has led to income inequality. you've got to do the formula. when we balanced the budget in washington, there wasn't any discussion about income inequality. everybody who really wanted one could get a job, and the same is true in ohio. i just take the same formula back to washington, and what we're missing is leadership and the ability to pull people together, remembering that we're americans before we're republicans and democrats. [ applause ] >> all right, governor. we have another audience question for you. and this one comes from chanel. >> hi. i'm a registered democrat. so i'm just wondering why i should vote for a republican in november. >> well, because i have a record of bringing people together. creating economic growth and making sure that economic growth

is not an end unto itself. so, you know, i believe that when you have economic growth, it's like a mom and a dad doing better. the kids can do better. the same thing, when you have an economy doing better, you can then reach out. in our state, we now reach out to make sure the mentally ill aren't sleeping under a bridge or living in prison. we want them treated. [ applause ] we want the drug addicted to be tr also many programs to prevent people from getting on drugs. we want the working poor to be able to take a pay raise or another job without losing their childcare. and we believe we should raise the developmentally disabled, and make sure our friends in the minority community have a chance to rise as well. so economic growth means you can do more for everybody. and that means you can pull people who live in the shadows. and the way you get that done is through leadership. it's bringing people together to realize that a moment in time, it is their job to improve the lives of everyone. that's what i've done all of my career, because frankly, where i come from with a dad who carried

the mail on his back and the mother who couldn't even speak english, i realize i've been successful because the grace the good lord has given me, and when you have that, you better improve the lives of everybody. you don't have time for focus groups or any of this nonsense politics that we see. we are lacking leadership who knows how to get things done. so as a democrat, you should feel comfortable voting for me. and the funny thing is, i have the poll here. i want to tell you about this. two polls. new hampshire. hillary clinton 48, ted cruz 34. hillary clinton 50, donald trump 31. hillary clinton 36, john kasich 50. [ applause ] and you know why that is? i tell you why it is. because i haven't gone to the bombast. i haven't said that we have the apocalypse around the corner. i think we can bring people together and raise this country. now, that may not work when people today want their anger

being fed. but, you know what? it works later when the whole country gets a chance to vote, because people don't want to live in the ditch. they want to believe that things can get better. they want to believe that their jobs will be more secure and their children are beginning goe an opportunity to have a better life than what they got from their parents. we just need to believe that somebody can unite us and deliver that, because it's also about team, okay? [ cheers and applause ] >> i want to follow up on the question, because you made the argument for why you think you can lead the country. but she was asking you as a democrat, why sit better to vote for a republican? because if you get into that head-to-head contest, which i know you believe you can win against hillary clinton, she's going to be arguing that extending the government, continuing obamacare, doing more for college education, all those sorts of things are good. and you know, i was on campus here at villanova last week. and basically i heard that a lot. we want more.

we want to be given more by the government. >> i was at villanova, too, and i've done -- not just go up and make a talk. i take something free, but then you can't get a job. people are start. people are intelligent. right

welcome back, everyone, to the national constitution center here in philadelphia. we are back as our conversation continues with the ohio governor, john kasich. >> so before we get to our next question, we wanted to get to one of today's big headlines, governor, which is a horrible story that has come out of your home state, the murders of eight family members in southern ohio. police now saying tonight that they believe that there was a marijuana operation that was in some way perhaps connected to this. you're governor, first and foremost. so what's the latest? what can you tell us about what's happening in your state? >> well, i'm not going to get

into details. i'm in constant contact with the attorney general who is the lead on this. and i met with our head of highway patrol and public safety. it's a terrible tragedy. they are gathering evidence. i just don't think i should say a lot. let's let things kind of go, and it's a case that will be cracked. people will be brought to justice. but i think my talking about details and all the things that i know about this wouldn't serve any really great public purpose. because we'd want to catch the person, and you learn -- you know, i've had a lot of things that i've had to deal with as a governor. it's the seventh-largest state. and you learn in every one of these emergencies, you get better and better at knowing how to handle it. and it's very, very interesting how you do learn, because whether it's whether and devastating storms -- we had a school shooting. this problem right down here. the list goes on and on. and you have to learn how to

lead. but, you know, be calm. be firm. don't look for the camera. do what you can to make sure that everything is in place to solve the problem. and right down here, they've got all the proper law enforcement. they're looking at the perimeter. they're doing all the clues. and we'll get to the bottom of it. >> experience is something that is in some ways not a factor. or it's something that people are looking for totally different this time around. speak to that. >> but, you know, it's interesting. they just did a survey in new hampshire of people who voted in the republican primary. and it was very interesting. trump finished first. i finished second. they just did a survey of those people, and i beat trump 26-22. [ applause ] which says there's an element -- these aren't my surveys. these are public surveys. it shows you that there's a little bit of buyer's remorse out there. and i think as we get closer to the plane landing, then i think people begin to say okay, who can really fix this?

and it's incumbent on me -- people say why do you talk about what you've done so much? well, i talk about what i've done because i believe today if a politician's lips are moving, we think they're lying. and i think that if i can show them what i've done on a number of occasions, then when i tell them what i want to do, i think i have a better chance of having credibility. >> our best luck to you and the folks in ohio dealing with an awful story. we are tonight 225 miles from shanksville, pennsylvania, where as you know, flight 93 went down in a field 15 years ago. there's a report just today that the white house may release 28 pages from the 9/11 commission. >> get it all out there, they should. yeah, get it out there. >> i guess the question should be then, is it necessary for the american people to know what is in that chapter? >> well, the only issue that surrounds that may be the possibility of being able to have people be able to pinpoint somebody w's an agent, we've got to be concerned about their

safety. we don't want to blow an intelligence operative out there. but i think the people want to know. i'm a believer in open all the time. you can, except that there are extenuating circumstances where you need to do something that's in the public interest. >> if it suggests some involvement on behalf of those in government in saudi arabia, should that change the way we view our relationship? >> yeah, of course. >> the way we operate with saudi arabia? in what way? >> well, i think -- look, i think we've been too easy on the saudis over the years. now, i don't think we ought to be pushing them away or declaring them an enemy. but the fact of the matter is they have made a deal with the devil early on when saudi arabia was first formed and they support a strain of wahabism, and they have to cut off the funding for that. i understand that. if you want to talk to them, you have the talk to them in private. don't go in front of cameras and beat them up publicly. do it in a proper way. i served on the armed services committee for 18 years and i went all the way from seeing

reagan build up the military, the berlin wall falling, all the way to the coalition to push saddam out of kuwait and i was there after 9/11 in the pentagon, in and out for two or three years helping to solve some of the problems that they had there. when you get foreign policy experience, you kind of learn how the world works, the way you conduct yourself, how you put your team together. but sometimes, we have too much talk, and we have something serious to say about somebody who we could consider to be a really strong ally. we can do it quietly to get started. that's what i would do. same thing with israel. something we don't like about them, we don't need to go out there and start beating them up publicly. that's not the way you are as a leader in this country. [ applause ] >> we have another question from the audience. the next question comes from valentine, he has a question. >> i'm a retired police officer as well as a former marine. [ applause ]

our national security is paramount to me. and it's no secret that this current administration has depleted our military to levels that we haven't seen since world war i. if you're elected president, how will you restore our military back to its full strength? >> well, first of all, let me go quickly. i would put $100 billion more in the military over this period of years. if you take defense contractors and people performing bureaucratic functions inside the pentagon, there are more people doing that than in the active military. that tells you you have a pentagon that is bloated and bureaucr bureaucratic. i served on that committee and i know how a lot of it works. we have to reform that building while we're rebuilding the military. got to make sure our weapons systems come out on time. the fact is we don't do that, we're taking critical resources from those who are out there protecting us and fighting the good fight. in addition to that, look, we've got to bring our allies together. and those include muslim arab

country. jordan, saudi arabia, egypt, the gulf states. we need to get them combined with europe. we need to mean what we say, say what we mean. we have to destroy isis, both in the air and on the ground. when the situation settles down, then i think we should come home and let the regional powers figure out what the map will look like. we need to bring turkey closest to us, and i couldn't believe the president would not meet with the president of turkey. he's not the greatest democrat in the world, but he's a strategic and key element to what happens there in that part of the world. in addition to that i would have joint policing and intelligence gathering by the entire civilized world so we can target these people who want to kill us, these radical islamists. in addition to that, we should let putin know that we're going to arm the ukrainians. we will not tolerate him coming into eastern europe and disrupting the baltics. we will make that message clear to him. the chinese need to understand they don't own the south china sea. we need to mean what we say, say what we mean, and here at home, our joint terrorism task force

is made up of fbi, state, and local law enforcement, people that need to have the tools and resources they need to keep us safe. you do all of that, and we would be in pretty good shape. in some respects, it's the civilized world against the barbarians. we must win that struggle for all the young men and young women in this country, their future, and of course, for all of us. and we can do it, and we can keep ourselves safe if we're determined, if we can lead as a country, bring this world together, and solve these problems. i have no doubt about it. [ cheers and applause ] >> we're going to try to get one more question in. and that question is from peter. welcome. >> hi, governor. my name is peter, i'm from toms river, new jersey. many of us are wondering, what will you do to make college more affordable for kids like us? >> well, let me give you a couple things here. there's people watching this show, i believe, and they need to hear a couple things. first of all, the community college is not a bad way to start. you can go two years to a community college and transfer

all of your credits to a four-year school and cut the cost of college education in half. in addition to that, when you're in high school, you should take college credit courses. you can complete almost a year of college still being in high school. and at the same time, we need to remediate people, because a number of people go to the university and have to take 11th grade math and english when they're paying university tuition. on top of that, the universities themselves and community colleges absolutely need to look at the cost drivers in their institutions, because i'm going to tell you, the costs keep going up like they are, these traditional schools, they're going to go away. people aren't going to spend 60,000, $70,000 a year to go to college. so they've got to get their act together. and finally, for those who have graduated, and they've rung up big debt, i've got a man working for me paying his student loan debt back is more than what it costs to live in his apartment. we may have to create some sort

of a community service program to provide some relief to our students. but, we can't do that until these universities get very serious about taking out the cost drivers. i'm going to give you one example. ohio state university, doctor. gordon gee, great president. he wanted to lease the parking garages in the surface lots. he had a big fight from everybody in the administration. he went and did it anyway. he saved half a billion dollars. he got half a billion dollars on lease arrangement, which he put into scholarships. think differently. it's the 21st century. government needs to think differently. higher education needs to think differently. uberize all of these things, and create excitement and innovation, and that's how we drive america forward. [ applause ] >> thank you for your question. more in a moment here with the governor from ohio, john kasich. then on deck, senator ted cruz. it is all live from america's town hall here in philadelphia, the birthplace of our democracy, home to the democratic national

convention in july. back in a moment here on a sunday night.

welcome back, everybody, to philadelphia, the birthplace of america and america's town hall tonight. let's continue our conversation with governor john kasich. governor kasich, good to have you here again tonight. you said to neil cavuto i think earlier today, when you were talking about the convention, what's going to happen in cleveland, and he was asking about the rules. the eight-state rule that was put in last time around when mitt romney was running. and you said there are no rules. you said, besides, i have friends on the rules committee and it's all going to work out. what did you mean by that? >> first of all, there are no rules. we keep being reported on networks that there are these rules that would shut you out if

you didn't win eight states. that's not true. there are no rules yet. secondly, even if there are those kind of rules, you could be nominated from the floor of the convention. look, we're going to an open convention. i have been saying it for two months. people were saying he doesn't know what he's talking about. turns out i'm right. we're going to go there, and the delegates are going to think about who can win in the fall. i've read you these numbers. i can read you more numbers. >> are you trying to -- >> i don't know why they're booing. we want to win the white house. >> i think they're talking about the fact that the delegates are the ones who choose. that is an issue that people have -- you know, it's the way it works, and i think a lot of people weren't aware of how it worked because it hasn't been looked at under this kind of microscope. when you say, i have friends on the rules committee, what do you mean by that? >> we'll have people who say it should be open. we'll have some on there. but here's the thing. we've had ten republican conventions that have been contested and only three times did the person heading into the convention get picked.

in 1952, dwight eisenhower didn't have the votes. he turned out to be a pretty good president. i think they'll think about who actually can be president, who can get this country moving again. >> are you trying to recruit delegates right now? >> we all meet with delegates. >> and what is within the rules, do you believe? what's acceptable behavior? >> look, all i do is -- >> and what is over the line? >> all i do, bill -- well, i don't know, we're not giving anybody anything. we're just talking about the numbers. we talk about -- you know, you've got the united states senate up in new hampshire. these guys get killed, i win. we have a senator up there, kelly ayotte. we want her to go back to the senate. we don't want to lose the senate. but if you have sky-high negatives and you're viewed as a divider, you can't win in ohio. i mean, you can't win ohio, you can't be president. so look, at the end of the day, it should be transparent. it should be open. if somebody gets the magic numbers, which they're not going to do, they get picked, and if

they don't, it will be up to the people -- >> are you saying we're not going to see a weekend in columbus, ohio? >> no, we're not going to do anything like that. we're going to make the best case about -- look, i have positive numbers. the polls indicate positive numbers. i told you about new hampshire. i can tell you about pennsylvania. they all lose, i win. see, i can go to states that republicans don't go to. i can go to pennsylvania, illinois, wisconsin, michigan. and why? because, look, i'm not negative. i don't live in the ditch on this. illino i believe can fix this country. i have a positive approach, and as a result of that -- [ applause ] look, tomorrow night, i'm going to be in my hometown. i'm a blue collar guy. you know, you talk about trump people. look, i grew up in the community that was worried about all the things that the trump supporters were worried about. >> but he's beating you in the states that you just talked about. >> here's what i'm saying to

you. [ applause ] look, here's the situation. here's the situation. i made a speech in new york. you can either appeal with bombast to the negative and tell people how they're being ripped off and how everything is terrible and america loses. i choose not to do that. i tell people that yes, we have problems, but i've been involved in fixing these problems throughout my career. and if we go negative, we'll never get it fixed. but if we can acknowledge the problems and have creative solutions to fix it, like i did in washington, like i've done in ohio, and like i can do again, you see that's very appealing to conservative democrats who reagan appealed to. it's very appealing to independents. when i ran in my state in ohio, i won 60% of women, 51% of union households, and 26% of african-americans. we can all feel good about pounding our chest, and we can say well, this person won. if you can't get the magic number of delegates, then the delegates are going to choose. and seven out of ten times, they chose somebody who went into the convention not in first place.

you know who one of them was? abraham lincoln. so look, the delegates are going to make a decision about who they think can be president, because we don't want to lose the supreme court, united states, lose, you know, all the way from the court house to the state house. and i'm not promising anybody anything. >> got it, governor, thank you for your time tonight. >> enjoyed it. >> we appreciate that. good to see you tonight. >> i want to meet you, bill. >> reaction from the panel, what we're talking about here, and later, senator ted cruz is here for america's town hall that continues in philadelphia.

welcome back, our political panel is back with us here. so i think he's one of the most popular republican governors. almost a traditional republican economic program. and voters still aren't choosing

him. it tells you that even republican primary voters have lost faith in the traditional republican economic message. >> yes. [ applause ] >> and look at the appetite of republican voters right now. we've had eight governors come through, eight senators come through, four governors, the reality is republican voters want someone outside the system. you will get exit polling as well, they are angry on the establishment, they're angry at the party. and john kasich, the only state he has won thus far is his home state which he's represented off and on for 38 years. i think that's a message in itself. he believes still that something magic is going to happen for him at the convention. >> yes. >> and he believes and gives examples about how it's happened in the past. what do you think? >> i think the audience reaction tells you something. it's hard to make the argument that you're going to be the winner when you're losing all the time. it's tough for him to make.

his electability, he's got to make it, it's his best case. it has polls showing him beating hillary clinton. i thought he was best tonight on debt. when he was talking about hillary clinton and bernie sanders giving away free stuff and not affording that. that's an argument that will resinate with conservative voters. >> chill out for a little bit, okay, we're not done with you just yet. stand by. coming up, in depth with our second presidential candidate, ted cruz will join us. [ applause ] for the town hall. live from philadelphia. ♪ that's why i run on quickbooks. details. i coul i use the payments app to accept credit cards... ...and everything autosyncs. those sales prove my sustainable designs are better for the environment and my bottom line. that's how i own it.

welcome back, everybody, to america's town hall. we are live from philadelphia i'm martha maccallum. >> good evening, tonight we are coming to you live from the national constitution center, the first ever museum dedicated to the u.s. constitution. [ applause ] we're only steps away from independence hall where the declaration of independence and the constitution were drafted and signed near 11 years apart. >> our audience, along with some of you reached out to us on facebook and on twitter, you will get a chance to ask the candidates some questions that you want answered tonight as well. >> in two days, voters go to the

polls in five different states. and here they are. the states that play out on tuesday are connecticut, delaware, maryland, pennsylvania, and rhode island. [ applause ] >> let's get it tonight. texas senator ted cruz, senator cruz, you are in evansville, indiana, tonight, good evening. >> good evening. >> good to be with you. >> we have a lively crowd here, senator. so obviously the first obvious question is that the action is all here on the east coast and in the midland, it's mid-atlantic states on tuesday. have you already moved on from tuesday, you're in indiana now? >> oh look, absolutely not. we are campaigning across the country. i've spent the last several days barn storming across pennsylvania. and we've got tremendous support in the keystone state, indeed where you are right now is where i was on election night. the night of the new york primary, and gave my speech from the constitution center. i couldn't be more encouraged at

the conservatives who are coming together in pennsylvania, coming together in it maryland, and coming together really across the country. and that is something we have been seeing happening now for many, many weeks and months is that republicans are uniting behind our campaign because we want to be behind a positive optimistic, forward-looking conservative campaign, that's based on real policy solutions to the pressing problems facing this country. >> so the big question though when you look at the numbers, for you, is what if you do lose indiana? because that makes the numbers that much tougher for you and it makes them easier for donald trump to get to 1,237 before cleveland. >> well, martha, there's no doubt that winning elections is better than losing elections. and so, we're going to do everything possible to win here in indiana. we're campaigning hard, we're doing everything possible to win in each and every state. and i would note, you know, the

press focussed a lot on the new york primary a few days ago, but prior to that, five states in a row had voted. utah, north dakota, wisconsin, colorado, and wyoming. and five states in a row, we saw landslide victories in all five of those over 1.3 million people voted in those five states and everyone was a landslide victory. i think that really is an indication of what we're seeing nationwide. that's nationally about 65 to 70% of republicans. [ applause ] nationally about 65 to 70% of republicans recognized if donald trump is the nominee, that hillary clinton very likely wins with double digits. and we can't lose, the stakes are too high. every one of us, we love our country. and we don't want to hand the general election to the other side. if hillary is the next president, we will lose the supreme court for a generation, the bill of rights is put in

jeopardy. in all likelihood, we'll lose the senate and possibly even the house. our kids are buried in trillions more in debt. and we stay trashed in the same economic stagnation we're in now, and the difference is if i'm the nominee, we beat hillary clinton. we are beating here in the key swing states, we're beating her with independents, right now i'm leading hillary clinton with young people by double digits. and that's a big reason so many republicans are uniting behind our campaign. >> senator, you said just this past week that there will be a contested convention in july. and governor kasich just made the same point. you also are not hiding the fact that you're recruiting delegates to your side if you get to a second ballot in cleveland. how far are you willing to go to recruit delegates? what is over the line in your view and what is acceptable? and give us a specific answer, senator. >> well, listen, there are two stages, the first stages are the elections themselves. and we are all in winning the

elections as i mentioned, prior to new york, we'd won five elections in a row. we're fighting to win the election on tuesday, we're fighting to win the election in indiana and those elections matter, the people have a powerful and significant voice. now, we are likely headed to a contested convention where nobody gets to 1,237. what's going to happen then. i'm going to come in with a ton of delegates, donald trump is going to come in with a ton. one of the two of us is going to be the nominee and it's going to be a battle to see who can earn the support of of a majority of the delegates elected by the people. and it varies state by state, but in most states, there's a subsequent election where the delegates are elected by the people, and we're fighting to win as well and grass roots activists have been showing up in droves, and the core of our support has always been the grassroots, has been the conservative grass roots, the people fighting the washington establishment, so we've been winning those elections for delegates over and over and over again. and that's very --

>> how generous. >> because -- [ applause ] >> senator, just to follow up, we have this question from twitter, writes the following, i want to know why senator ted cruz and kasich think a contested convention is good for the gop. and as you answer that, i want to emphasize that governor kasich just said he's not loading a lot of people on an airplane and flying them into columbus, ohio, for a weekend. are you considering that, senator? >> not remotely. listen, everyone would rather see the republican party unite early on by a nominee. i would love to have 1,237 delegates today. that hasn't happened. what is good for the gop is to nominate a candidate who can win and who actually has a real substantive agenda. this town hall format is wonderful, i'm glad we're doing it, but today marks 45 days since the last republican debate. frankly this shovnt be a town --

shouldn't be a town hall standing on one side should be john kasich, on the other side should be donald trump. we should have a real debate. and, and listen, you guys would happily host it, the democrats have had a debate in the time that has passed. hillary clinton and bernie sanders respect the voters enough. i called last week for the people of pennsylvania to have a debate before pennsylvania votes, but donald trump is terrified to have a debate. and bill, i'll tell you why, because he doesn't have an answer to how you solve it. to how you bring -- [ applause ] when you ask, okay, what are you going to do to bring jobs back? he can't defend his economic agenda. his foreign policy zsh he has suggested withdrawing from nato, he'd be neutral. that's why he doesn't want to have a debate. i think the people deserve a debate on issues and substance and ideas, and you asked about

what is permissible for wooing delegates. listen, from our end, i met with a group of pennsylvania delegates a couple days ago. i was laughing at the trump campaign saying that we're wining and dining people. we didn't even give them a glass of water. we are cheap. i am a fiscal conservative. we were sitting on a bunch of chairs and in the backstage of an event, and i'll tell you what ken, who is leading our delegate operation has explained, he's a former attorney general of virginia, fantastic conservative. ken was asked, what goodies are you offering delegates? and ken said i'll tell you the goodies, we're offering them free speech and religious liberty and the second amendment. we're offering delegates jobs and economic growth and repealing obamacare and standing with rally and defeating isis. those are the goodies, principles, a president who can be counted on to do what he says he will do, and i'll tell you the delegates, they're activists who love this country. i told the delegates backstage,

listen, i can't send a 737 to fly you to 18 holes of free golf. that's -- that ain't going to happen, and what i've told delegates also, at the convention, we're going to make every argument we can to persuade you, based on facts, evidence, my record, that i am someone who has president will do every single thing i said that i've been standing up and fighting career politicians in washington. and will continue to do so. and what i also promise delegates. let me tell you what we're not going to do? we're not going to threaten, we're not going to bully, have campaign staffers do what the trump team has which is threaten to put out the hotel rooms of delegates and indeed, some trump supporters have been issuing death threats. that doesn't belong in the process. >> senator, we have someone standing by who wants to ask you a question. and we're happy to host that debate by the way if we get those folks together. [ applause ] let's go to this question from

sarah from our audience, sarah. >> hi, my name is sarah, i'm from hershey, pennsylvania, as hilly supporters, i wanted to ask you senator cruz -- [ crowd boos ] that's mature, thank you, yes. as a hillary supporter, i wanted to know -- go ahead. >> ask the question. >> okay, as a hillary supporters i wanted to know -- thank you. i wanted to know what your campaign against her would look like if you're elected as your party's candidate. >> well, sarah, first of all, let me thank you for coming. and this is not an easy crowd to be in as a hillary supporter. i appreciate the courage, i appreciate you're coming here to ask that question. listen, i can't wait to stand on a debate stage with hillary clinton. because my campaign against her is going to be the same as my campaign has been on the primary.

it's going to be based on substance and the issue. in this primary when others have gone personal and nasty, i haven't responded in kind. i'm not going to do that with hillary either, instead i'm going to focus on us is tans. so for example, hillary will talk often about income inequality. i can't wait for her to do so, i look forward to saying, i'm very glad that secretary clinton raised this issue. it is increased dramatically under her policy. if you look at the obama/clinton economy, the rich have gotten richer, the top 1% today earn a higher share than any year since 1928. those with power and influence in washington have gotten fat and happy, and the people who have been hurt the most are those who are struggling to climb the economic ladder. it's young people, it's hispanics, african american, it's single moms, the working men and women, the union members with callouss on their hands. the obama/clinton, domestic policy doesn't work. we've seen jobs fleeing america.

and the obama/clinton foreign policy sooechb worse. the case i'm going to make in the general election is we need to bring back jobs, my number one priority as president is bringing back good, high-paying jobs, manufacturing jobs, raising wages for the working men and women, it's an opportunity for young people like you. >> i want to ask a follow up question to that, senator, earlier today, charles coke made a statement that he looked at the potential republican nominees and that he said it was possible that hillary clinton might make a better president than you or donald trump or john kasich. he said it was possible. given passed policy, what do you say about that? >> well, actually, martha, that's not what he said. the question he was asked is it possible that the republican nominee could be worse than hillary, and he said yes, i think charles was clearly speaking about one nominee, and his name is donald and it ends with trump. and so, and now the media all immediately reported that as he

was speaking about everyone, but if you go and actually look at the question and answer -- >> but he has voted for democrats and republicans in the past, he says. he was pointing that out as well. >> yes, but listen, there is a clear and meaningful contrast that the voters have, you know, it is striking on issue after issue how many issues donald trump agrees with hillary clinton. when it comes to the individual mandate on obamacare, both donald trump and hillary clinton agree on the individual mandate on obamacare. when it comes to being neutral between rally and the palestinians, both donald trump and hillary clinton agree we should be neutral. ly not be neutral. america will stand unapologetically with rally if i'm collected president. >> senator, stand by -- >> tax payer funding -- >> stand by one moment. senator, we appreciate you -- hang on there, hang on there in

indiana, we have a quick slide a quick break in here, okay. we're not going anywhere, either are you. conversation picks up after the break. america town hall continues. live in philadelphia. at the national constitution center.

welcome to villanova university, it was founded in 1842, they recently gained national recognition because they won the ncaa men's basketball championship, it's a really good time here at villanova university. since we were in the neighborhood in philadelphia, we thought we'd come by and ask the smart tunt student whags they think about this wild election year. >> its been one of probably the most entertaining. >> it's probably one of the more tumultuous ones i've seen. >> its been great reading with the attention and support that donald trump's doing. >> what do you like about bernie? >> who are you voting for? >> bernie sanders. >> he's good on jobs and energy. >> john kasich. if he were to get the republican ticket, i think he's a pretty okay choice. >> i'm supporting hillary clinton to be president, but i am a big fan of john kasich's

campaign, i'm really impressed by him. would also be happy if he became our president. >> i think case sick a reasonable guy as a speaker, really connected with the kids well. >> how do you think winds up? >> clinton, trump, and clinton ones big. >> right now, i would bet it would be donald trump. >> if it came down to it him verse hillary, i think people would want to the see a new face. i think they'd want to see the freshest face. >> thank you for having us the other day. welcome back to america's town hall everybody, at the national constitution center, we are back with senator ted cruz joining us from annesville, indiana, tonight, we spoke with at love people the other night. you've done well in several of the states that you have won in, senator, but we did hear a lot of interest in bernie sanders, a lot of interest in the free college program, so how do you combat that as a conservative? >> well, i tell you, you've got

to -- with young people, you've got to appeal to the future. if you sat down and you tried to design an agenda to hammer the living daylights out of young people, it would be difficult to come up with a better agenda. than the obama/clinton economy. for one thing for seven years we've been stuck in stagnation. young people are scared. they've got student loans up to their eyeballs, and they can't find jobs. i understand that firsthand, my parents went bankrupt when i was in high school. i had to work two jobs to help my my way through college. i came out of school with $100,000 in school loans that i just paid off six, seven years ago. beyond that, one of the easiest ways to understand obamacare is that it is a massive wealth transfer from young, healthy people to everybody else. and finally, if you look at the national debt, its gone fre 10 trillion to 19 trillion in just seven years obama's presidency, who else do you think is going to pay for that? young people. martha, that's the reason both style matters, you've got to

have fun. you've got to be be willing to smile and have fun. you know, we put out a meme online, reaganomics. you start a business in your parents garage, obamanomics, you move into your parents garage. [ applause ] >> senator, we want to let our audience chime in. a bit of a delay, so we apologize about that down the line. >> sure. >> philadelphia director, the republican party of pennsylvania. joe, go with your question. >> how are you? >> how you doing, senator cruz? recently -- >> terrific. >> wonderful. recently our mayor jim kennedy decided that philadelphia would become a sanctuary city. making it the largest -- [ booing ] making it the largest sanctuary city in the country. as president of the united states, what would you do to ensure that local municipalities

can't skirt federal regulations in order to push their own political agendas? [ applause ] >> well, thank you for that question it is incredibly important question. as president, i will stop amnesty, secure the border, and end sanctuary cities. and let me tell you how we're going to do it. [ applause ] we're going to by curting off the funding, 360 jurisdictions across the country that the have declared themselves snkts cities. if i'm elected president, any sanctuary city we'll will see their federal tax payer dollars cut off. [ applause ] >> all right. another question now. from twitter this time, senator. this one is from bill hall in massachusetts, and he writes this, senator cruz, how do you see uniting republicans, including trump supporters, if you are able to win at a

contested convention? >> well, bill, that is an incredibly important question, and it is the focus of our campaign right now, more anything else, is unity. there are a lot of encouraging signs. you know, we started this race with 17 republican candidates in the field, an amazingly talented young, diverse field, it's now narrowed, but of those 17 candidates, five are now supporting our campaign. we been endorsed by rick perry, by lindsey graham, jeb bush, by scott walker, an carly fiorina. when you add into that mix, mike lee and glenn beck and mark levin, you've got the full spectrum of the republican party coming together and uniting. now there is no doubt to get to cleveland, and i've got a ton of delegates and donald has a ton of delegates. we're going to have a battle. and the danger of a contested convention is that the party emerges fractures. what i can tell you is that if i earn the support of the majority

of the delegates there, and i i believe that's what's going to happen, then we are going to work very, very hard to welcome every single trump supporter, and i will say, if you look at the issues that have energized and animated the trump supporters, they have been illegal immigration, and losing jobs overseas. fortunately, both of those issueses are right at the heart of my campaign when it comes to illegal immigration -- >> senator -- >> in 20d 13, when the gang of eight was being pushed through. i led the fight against it. >> yeah, and you've spoken about your three neems, jobs, freedom, security, you mentioned them tonight. when it comes to our nation's security, would you approve the release of the 28 pages that have been withheld from the 9/11 commission? is it necessary for americans to see that chapter? >> you know, i would approve the release of those 28 pages. i've called for them to be released publicly for some time.

i do think you would need to redact a couple of elements of it just to protect sources. but i think the overwhelming majority of those 28 pages can be released. i've read those 28 pages, i've gone in where classified materials are held and i've read them and i believe the public has a right to know and when it comes to fighting radical islamic terrorism, we have got to get passed the political correctness, the blindness of the obama administration, but you know, this president and hillary clinton and bernie sanders and the democrats refuse even to say the words radical islamic terrorism. we've got to the confront islamism and we need a commander in chief who will stand up and say to the world, we will defeat radical islamic terrorism, we will utterly destroy isis and that's exactly what i'll do as president. [ applause ] . >> more with ted cruz and some more of your questions for him. america's town hall continues from the group place of american democracy in philadelphia.

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to barack obama. where will you win where he did not? >> well, what we have seen all across the country is we're seeing record turnouts and republican primaries. and if you look at the polling right now. i'm beating hillary clinton 47-45 in the state of ohio. donald trump is losing ohio to hillary. if you look in the state of iowa, i'm beating hillary clinton in iowa. donald trump is losing to hillary in iowa. if you look in wisconsin, wisconsin's been a blue state, it hadn't gone republican since 1984, reagan's reelection, donald trump is losing wisconsin to hillary by ten points. hillary and i are tied in wisconsin, 44-44. and you look where you are right now, the great state of pennsylvania, donald trump is losing pennsylvania to hillary clinton, hillary and i are tied in pennsylvania and if i'm the nominee, we're going to win pennsylvania in the general election and beat hillary clinton. [ applause ]

>> senator cruz, president obama has been in germany and he was with angela merkel today, and when they were making public comments he said this, the eu is a destination for those refugees who do not enjoy peace and freedom at home. we have a lot in common with germany in terms of a strong economy, and the democracy, of course, this is an issue that's going to confront our country as well. how do you think we should -- how can we be compassionate with refugees? and yet deal with the population that the exit polls tell us in large part do not want to allow these refugees into our country? >> well, listen, america is a compassionate country, no nation on earth has spent more money caring for these refugees than america has. we've spent ten times more than any other nation on earth caring for these freenls. but in an age of terror, president obama's proposal to bring tens of thousands of syrian muslim refugees to america. cannot vet them to make sure

they're not isis terrorists, that's just crazy. we should not be allowing syrian muslim refugees into america if they can be terrorists. arming the curds and defeating isis, but in the short term. we should be working to resettle these refugees in the middle east, in majority muslim countries, and you know, when president obama said today that history, he was on the right side of history by allowing this refugee flood into europe. europe's disastrous immigration policy have said much of the rise of radical islamic terrorism in europe, we shouldn't go down that road. we need a commander nor chief who protects this country and who is willing to do whatever it

takes to defeat isis, to defeat radical islamic terror. [ applause ] >> senator, we have a lot of energy in this audience. darwin cooper is here tonight, and darwin is a supporter of donald trump. [ applause ] >> senator cruz, how you doing tonight expect i'm voting for donald trump -- >> terrific, how are you doing? >> good, good, i'm voting for donald trump, but i would still like to hear your plan on securing the southern border. [ applause ] >> well great, thank you very much, and thank you for asking that question. on our website, ted cruz.org, we have a very, very detailed, 11-page plan detailing how we're going to stop illegal

immigration. it lays out chapter and verse precisely how to do it. we're going to start by building a wall. we're going to triple the border patrol. we're going to increase four fold the six wing aircraft. so that if there is an attempt will direct the boots on the ground whereve happening. in addition to that, we are going to put in place a strong e-verify system so you don't get a job without guaranteeing you're here legally. exit entry system so people can't overstay their visas. as i mentioned earlier, we are going to end sanctuary cities by cutting off federal taxpayer funds for sanctuary cities and end welfare benefits for those here illegally. and let me mention something to you -- [ applause ] you said you're supporting donald trump, and i understand the frustration with washington, ignoring the issue of immigration, and wanting to support someone who will take it on.

and donald is an angry voice that feels like he feels that vessel, but if illegal immigration is an issue that you're voting on, you want to ask in 2013 whtd battle over the gang of eight was being fought, where everyone stood and where they were. at the time of the gang of eight amnesty fight, donald trump was funding the gang of eight. of the eight members of the gang of eight pushing for amnesty, donald had given $50,000 to five of them, on the other hand, i letd the opposition to amnesty and we defeated it in congress. and let me note as well, the most troubling thing about donald is that he's a phony. that what he's saying on the campaign trail -- i don't think he believes. and on immigration, donald in january told the "new york times," he didn't believe what he was saying on immigration. he wasn't going to build a wall. he wasn't going to deport anyone, that is on tape. why didn't he want the tape to

be released if he didn't they? then releasing the tape should prove his interest, but donald won't allow it to be released. and i point out, this week, donald's campaign manager, a long time washington lobbyist, and donald's entire campaign is now run by washington lobbyists, went and told the honchos of the rnc that he's going to change. and we saw it this week when donald trump went on the "today" show and agreed with hillary clinton and barack obama that grown men should be able to go in the bathrooms with little girls. that is pc on steroids and we need a president who will stand the truth and stand up for such nonsense. >> we want to thank you very much for being with us. many thanks. >> in a moment here -- >> thank you, god bless. >> met someone who wants to be a delegate? senator, thank you. you're about to. and wait until you hear their

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its been a great night already, live here in philadelphia, great audience too. we've been asking the audience to give us questions for the candidates. now we want to ask a member of the audience a question. he is a candidate to be a delegate in pennsylvania. his name will be on the ballot on tuesday. mike, good evening to you. >> good evening. >> you're on record as saying, that you will vote in cleveland on the first ballot for the candidate who wins your congressional district, correct?

>> yes. [ applause ] >> what would you do on the second ballot? >> well, the fact that you're even asking me that question indicates the problem that we have in -- with the current system. and i think that the delegates and the delegates that i'm running with, bob willet and will be guided by the people. that's what it's all about. that's what tuesday's all about. the folks could come out and vote for the candidate of their choice. >> so you're saying, whoever wins your district is who you vote for in cleveland in july? whether it's the first ballot, second ballot, or the 17th ballot. >> we're going to be guided by that, but if, if governor -- >> that's not a sure thing then? >> well, i don't think you can tell anyone what's going to happen on the second ballot? and i give you this scenario.

if governor kasich who was here this evening prevailed in the seven congressional district and we are elected and vote for him as our nominee, but he got there only second ballot, so, that's a pledge that you can't make it. >> i understand, now another question for you. because many people watching this process would say, they're voting, and you're deciding. what would you say to them? >> i would say, just what i said a bit earlier. that's why we have indicated that we are going to be guided by the will of the people in the seven congressional districts. the system, the way it is constructed currently, is not representative, and it needs to be. and we pledge to be that representative. [ applause ] >> so, mike, you may have heard what donald trump said earlier on tape, he said there were 17 delegates that will be decided on tuesday night, and he said

then there's 54 that get negotiated. and he thinks that is a rigged system. do you think it's a rigged system? >> well, i don't think it's a rigged system in terms of negotiation because i think the light that has been shined on the system currently is wear people stand. i think informed voters now know sch delegates are bound to which voters? myself and my running mates are going to be guided by the will of the people. >> stand by one moment. we're going to bring back our panel. wow, the rubber will hit the road. >> it's interesting. first time in 140 years, republicans could be potentially dpl dplasing a contested convention. they haven't had to. at this point we have nominees now we're seeing how the sprosz happening. look, for donald trump talking

about the rigged system. i don't think he actually cares about the process or if it's a rigged system. what he's able to do is take the oxygen out of senator ted cruz, whose been getting a lot of positive press about the organizational strength of his campaign. he's sucking up the oxygen and setting himself up, if he falls short of that 1,237 number, he set up this us verse them mentality. and it's working. because if you look, well if you look at the wall street journal recently, 62% of republican voters are now saying that whoever gets the most votes shouk the nominee. working and drooifzing this narrative. >> you guys hang out. one last question, nike. has any candidate contacted you directly yet? >> no, no. i have not been contacted by any of that. if i were to be contacted by any of them directly, i would certainly listen to what they had to say. listen, we need to unite and

beat hillary clinton. [ applause ] that's the key. >> thank you, mike. seventh congressional district, we'll find out on tuesday. >> up next, final thoughts from our political panel on everything that we have heard tonight. more from america's town hall. don't go anywhere. we'll be right back.

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x1 makes it easy to find what you love. call or go online and switch to x1. only with xfinity. we know what this is, it's a symbol for the delegates. the bronze came from delaware but it was made here and originally used to what? >> call the means of the pennsylvania assembly. >> for the statehouse. >> for the statehouse. and before the building was known as the statehouse, the bell has been used every day for 80 years before the bell developed the famous crack. why the bell cracked and when the bell cracked we don't know. but the bell has been used as a sign of history. what you see you remember. the experience, that's what you

understand. >> what did this crack represent to you? how do you explain it? >> the crack represents the ideas and the dreams of people from all over the world. our life isn't perfect, the bell's not perfect. we can aspire to be better and that's what the crack represents. [ applause ] >> i think we can all relate to that, right? >> all right. final thoughts on tonight, senator carlson is here, i want to start with you. there's a battle on the trump side organizing which states look like kasich could do well, which states like look cruz could do well. and it sounds like news that is just come out tonight that they are working out. >> the trump crowd is, will they and the cruz campaign work together without working together in areas where each

candidate is strongest. and the cruz campaign put out a message moments ago where they look to go to states where cruz looks to do well, and finally after all this time had conservatives clambering for all this, those in the ever trump crowd, clambering to the de facto that seems to be happening tonight. >> it's too little, too e wonde doing that. >> maybe this is in response to that. maybe this is a cue. >> i think tucker was probably listening most acutely to -- because you've been on this theme about what you vote for and what you get. what is the risk on the line now as you look at cleveland three months from now? >> i think the republican primary is being driven by this issue primarily right now. i think people are suddenly

seeing the system, not necessarily as riggeded, but as inherently anti-democratic to thwart the majority if necessary. that's what is is happening. and i think they are horrified by it. there may not be anything wrong with it philosophically, but the average person didn't know what it was. what is the political process for? to reflect the views of the people who vote for it? the average voter is like, wait, what about me? so i just -- [ cheers and applause ] >> lisa, when you look at what is happening right now, it feels like john kasich and ted cruz our guest tonight are obviously fiercely trying to hold on to preventing donald trump from getting to 1237 because they will not exist in this race if donald trump's allowed to do that. is it your feelings on watching what happened in florida and the big meeting that happened with the rnc, we know the party rules are a little different from that, that the party is starting

to say that they are okay with the trump nominee? >> well, i think they are starting to see it as a possibility of the inevitability or the inevitable. that's what ed mentioned earlier on the show. that's what tuesday is about, the perception of inevitability and that's what donald trump is trying to drive home here. but i think the problem for senator cruz and governor kasich, and i listened to senator cruz when he spoke to you guys earlier and kept talking about a contested convention. this is going to go to a contested convention. >> for a recount. >> he has to have that because right now governor kasich and governor cruz are mathematically eliminated from getting the 1237 pledged delegates you need to be the presumptive nominee. that's what they have to happen. and the big test will be what happens on tuesday, what happens on may 3rd with indiana. >> really interesting point. our evening is not over in a moment here, live from america's town hall in the city of philadelphia. stay tuned for this, next. [bassist] two late nights in tucson.

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♪ >> little james brown to get the week started off. a look at new york city there. good morning, you are watching "fox and friend first on this monday morning. i am abby hunts man. >> hope you had a great weekend as well. i am heather childers. thank you for starting your week with us. >> teaming up against trump. ted cruz and john kasich are announcing a brand new alliance to work together to assure a contested convention in july. >> will their plan actually work? kristin fisher is life in washington, d.c. with the latest. kristin, good morning. >> good morning, ladies. this is something many political analysts have been talking about for some time. perhaps this kind of team work is what it would take to stop donald trump? can it happen months before the convention? it is