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house is predicated on the fact that everybody else is unlikable. >> that's why tonight is so important, keep your eyes here on the fox news channel for our battle for indiana primary f coverage. if we win in indiana, it's over with, folks. >> it could all come down to the hoosier state. >> the entire country is depending on the state of indiana to pull us back from this cliff. >> can ted cruz stay in the game? >> it's over. they're finished. >> will hillary clinton close the door on bernie sanders? >> i will stand up and fight for you, through this campaign and into the white house. >> let us see indiana, help lead this country into the political revolution. >> special coverage of the battle for indiana starts now.
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>> and welcome to fox news headquarters in new york city. most of the polls in the state of indiana are now closed. we are waiting for just a few more counties to finish voting. by 7:00 p.m. eastern we could find out whether donald trump and hillary clinton will all but secure the nomination for their respective parties. good evening, i'm bret baier. >> and i'm megyn kelly, it's a big night in indiana where it is an all-out battle for delegates. >> 57 delegates on the line for republicans, 83 on the democratic side. victory for ted cruz or bernie sanders would be key to keeping their presidential hopes alive. a hope donald trump and hillary clinton are looking to extinguish tonight. >> we have fox team coverage tonight. carl cameron is with the trump campaign in new york and john roberts is in indianapolis with the cruz campaign and brit hume
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son deck with expert analysis. but first, we start with martha mccallum and the latest exit polls. martha? >> these are early numbers as we always tell you from the exit polls. let's see what voters are telling us so far tonight. the big news heading into the hoosier state contest was a so-called pact between john kasich and ted cruz. the idea was to let cruz go head to head with trump and see if he can keep trump under the magic number of 137, there's been a ton of mud-slinging in the past couple of days, cruz stepping up his anti-trump rhetoric dram dramatically. especially in the last 48 hours and cruz is ahead with the late deciders, he may have wished he started those attacks a bit sooner. the jury is out on that one. this is a significant white and working-class population that exists in indiana. they have been trump voters in the past and that appears to hold true tonight as well. gop voters with no college degree definitely behind donald trump in the early numbers that we're getting. also let's take a look at how
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the hoosier republicans feel about their vote. are they voting for their guy? or are they voting to keep someone else from winning the nomination? in general what we're find something that trump voters are clearly behind donald trump this a trend we've seen in many states. cruz voters, when you break it down and look at them, they are more likely to be placing so-called never trump votes tonight. let's take a look at the democratic side. see what we've got so far. by a margin of almost 3-1, hoosier democrats believe that hillary clinton will end up being the democratic nominee when they are asked that question. but among sanders voters, nearly a third of them are so behind him, so they say they will not vote for her come november, they'll stay home. that's a newer trend we're seeing. let's go back to the republicans for one last thing before i send it back. did picking carly fiorina. another one of the big moves that ted cruz made to make his mark in indiana, did it help him
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among women voters? it may have. cruz so far this evening is seeing his second highest vote among women tonight. that may also be mixed in with some of that late decider group, giving cruz's big push to try to pull away women voters from donald trump so we'll see where this goes. as we go throughout the evening and get more numbers for you. >>. meanwhile things are getting personal and downright nasty on the campaign trail between ted cruz and donald trump. trump now pushing a conspiracy theory appearing in the "national enquirer." that suggests ted cruz's father was seen with lee harvey oswald. not long before he shot president kennedy. cruz firing back with these attacks. >> this man is a pathological liar. he doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. the man cannot tell the truth, but he combine it is with being a narcissist. a narcissist at a level i don't
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think this country has ever seen. donald trump is a serial philanderer. and he boasts about it. he's proud of being a serial philanderer. i want everyone to think bur teenaged kids, the president of the united states talks about how great it is to commit adu adulte adultery. how proud he is describes his battles with venereal diseases as his own personal vietnam. >> so that happened. we have coverage of both sides tonight on this developing story. we begin with our chief political correspondent, carl cameron, live at trump headquarters in new york. carl? >> on a day when donald trump may well effectively lock up the republican presidential nomination, he linked ted cruz's father rafael to jfk's assassin. >> citing an article in the national inquirer magazine, the republican front-runner brought a tabloid conspiracy story into
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the gop race, the inquirer says they have a man who looks like rafael cruz, with lee harvey oswald in new orleans in 1963 handing out leaflets. >> his father was with lee harvey oswald. the whole thing ridiculous, right prior to his being shot. nobody even bring it is up. they don't talk about that. that was reported and nobody talks about it. but i think it's horrible. >> trump is openly accelerating his attacks on hillary clinton. >> all i say is here we go again. if you remember all of the scandal that they had all the problems with not only monica, that was, you know one. but whitewater and all of the things that went wrong. it was a mess. his final campaign event in indiana last night. >> when they called her on benghazi, she was sleeping, folks, she was sleeping. she was sleeping. >> the trump campaign has begun a real scramble to prepare for the general election. they expect hillary clinton to
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attack early and never let up. and they've already begun meetings today. and they'll continue tomorrow on how to finance the rest of the campaign. where to put more staff in terms of bidding up a national organization. they acknowledge that their data game isn't really at a presidential standard and then there's the issue of a running mate. creating a short list. trimming it down and vetting the top prospects. brett? >> ted cruz responded to the accusations earlier today, unleashing his most blistering attacks yet at donald trump and his campaign. john roberts is live at cruz headquarters in indianapolis. >> tread cruz has said that victory in indiana is crucial to his chances going forward. sources inside the campaign tell me they are bracing for a less than optimal outcome. >> i voted for you. >> i appreciate it. >> with the clock winding down on the indiana primary and perhaps his chances of
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contesting the nomination, ted cruz today laid bare his scorn for donald trump. >> the man is utterly amoral. morality does not exist for him. >> at the center of his strident tone. trump's assertion that cruz's father rafael was concerting with lee harvey oswald in the early 1960s. >> let's be clear. this is nuts. this is not a reasonable position, this is just cooky. this man is a pathological liar. he doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. he lies. practically every word that comes out of his mouth. >> cruz is portraying the indiana primary as a battle between good and evil. even though the man who endorsed him. indiana governor mike pence said he would support trump, should he become the nominee. >> because i need a partner in the white house. you better believe i'moing to support the republican nominee for the united states whoever that might be. >> cruz has thrown everything he can at the indiana wall, hoping
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something might pick. the early pick of a running mate. the pact with john kasich. at every opportunity, cruz recites the claim that trump has no path to the nomination. >> regardless of what happens in this state, nobody is getting to 1237. i'm not going to, but donald trump isn't, either. >> that's not true, he could if he wins this state. >> i don't believe he will. as i mentioned in california when you and i visited, the entire race will ultimately come down to california. and i believe where we're headed is a contested convention in cleveland. >> many republicans are beginning to reject the idea of a contested convention. saying the time is now to unify around donald trump and avoid the upheaval of a protracted floor flight. governor pence says he would support donald trump if he would become the nominee or kasich for that matter. something that ted cruz has not yet committed to. >> i want to bring in brit hume,
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fox news senior political analyst. so ted cruz's dad -- was with lee harvey oswald before he was shot. and -- donald trump has had venereal diseases or compared the risk of them to -- that's where we are in this presidential contest. your thoughts on it? and it really ought to be said that this charge, that ted cruz's father was hooked up with lee harvey oswald is really pretty thin stuff. >> it's from the "national enquirer." >> yeah, exactly. >> the national inkwurer has gotten some things right and a lot of things wrong through the years. this seems almost utterly unsubstantiated. it's difficult to understand why trump leading as he was in all polls going into tonight, thought it necessary to make such a charge. and of course as you point out, cruz saying this stuff about trump and venereal disease doesn't do much to elevate the
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quality of the debate. pretty story stuff at this stage of the campaign, where one would have hoped that something more edifying than what we're hearing would be heard. >> that said, brit, if he wins tonight, he's on the way to the nomination. and likely could be -- >> no doubt. >>s so does this indicate anything about how the fight might go against hillary clinton? well, that, that's really the question isn't it? we keep, trump keeps suggesting that at some point he will turn to those with whom he has such high unfavorables, women in the general electorate, minorities and others, other republicans, mainstream republicans who don't like him and make an appeal to them by showing a different kind of temperment and attitude that he's shown so far. rfr i time we hear he's going to do it, he doesn't do it. he's begun to really try to rip the skin off hillary clinton no doubt she'll dot same toward him. but my guess is we're going to
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look for more of this and trump is not going to turn away from what's gotten him here so far in his view. while he may excite his base. he doesn't seem to show a lot of interest in expanding his base. perhaps it will happen, but we're seeing no sign of it yet. >> brit, the question is what can, what can donald trump tell us about hillary clinton that we don't already know. hearing him tick off a few items right there. whitewater, we know about those. we've been hearing about those things for 20 years. the entire american electorate has. >> well, we have. but there are a lot of people who are voting age today, who were not voting age, or even caring age when some of those things happened so it is possible by resurrecting some of these old cases in which the clintons were alleged to have engaged in misconduct, that he could do some damage. but he's a pretty target-rich environment himself. that may be where we're headed, megan. a lot of old stuff about both of
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them is going to come back and they'll be portrayed by each other in the most unflattering way possible. and it will be ugly. >> and it's been ugly and it looks like it's going to get uglier. >> it already is, brit, great to see you. >> tonight is a must-win for ted cruz to stay in the delegate race. right now trump sleeding with 996 delegates, while cruz is in second place with 565. if you cruz loses indiana, trump becomes much more likely to reach the 1237 delegates. the majority needed to clinch the party nomination before cleveland. bill hemmer is standing by with what counties could be key in indiana for victory. >> good evening tonight. let's break down indiana, we're about 45 minutes away from closing time throughout this day. you mentioned ted cruz, where does he need to perform? look to the center part of the state. indianapolis and all the counties that surround indianapolis.
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which is marion county over here to the east in hancock county up to the north here, hamilton county, quickly growing area, carmel, indiana. a lot of attention over the past tw weeks. so cruz has to drive up numbers here. he also has to drive up numbers in the more conservative part of the state, up here in allen county, that's fort wayne, indiana. and the cruz team knows this. because in all likelihood. when we see the returns coming in. about an hour from now, trump is going to do well here in the south. he's going to do real well up here in the north as well. this is st. joseph county, home to notre dame. several thousand people at a rally and a lot of endorsements for trump throughout the state of indiana. 30 delegates to whoever wins the state. an additional 27 will be divided among the nine congressional districts in indiana. you win a district. you get three more delegates, right now it's all about the delegates, we have come not quite to the end. but we're looking at the final five, six-week stretch here.
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there are only ten more states on the map. after indiana tonight there will be nine. brett, you mentioned 996 for trump. that puts him just about 241 pledge delegates away from getting to the ultimate number of 1237. cruz is chasing him. kasich far behind. back to you. >> bill, thank you. remember when we had the debate in detroit? and donald trump mentioned the hands? >> i remember. >> and the other stuff? and now we're talking about -- today we call them stds, that's your evening broadcast tonight. 6:00 p.m. in the east. hope the kids aren't watching. so what happens if ted cruz loses tonight? does the never trump movement lose all of its steam. are they already out of it? we'll be joined by charles krauthammer and ask him. we'll also break down the democratic race tonight from trump tower in new york to polling places across the hoosier state, fox news has the political world covered, the battle for indiana, live.
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about another 40 minutes. you can see the voighting going on right now. we have fox team coverage. matt finn is standing by, but first live to mike tobin. live in crown point, indiana. mike? >> hello. from time to time it looks like the joint is jumping. it seems that people seem to surge into the door. according to the deputy elections commissioner for lake county, indiana. we're on pace to hit 40% turnout. which is high for a primary. it seems that the people of indiana are excited that it's not a foregone conclusion buy the time the ball came around to them, excited to be relevant in this election. it's an open primary, people can choose the party they want to vote for when they show up and according to election officials people are switching parties when they come to the polling location, we're in central time in crown point, we've got another 40 minutes to go until the polls close. >> i want to go live to matt finn standing by live at a polling station. in van praiso, indiana, not far
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outside of chicago. matt? >> we're in porter county, the northwest part of the state this location is the combination of four precincts, there's been a steady line the entire time we've been here. the polls about to close in about 45 minutes. election officials say if you're in line by 6:00, you vote. interesting, this location was given 1,900 ballots, the county's best estimate of the turnout tonight. but so far, 1,500 people have voted and election officials say they may have to bring more ballots. people here in indiana excited to vote. i have jose. tell us, you guys happy that now that it's decision this time around? >> yeah, it's good. usually indiana gets put on the back burner but this time we're the counting vote. >> are you surprised with the turn-out tonight? it might be more than usual? >> i hope it goes great for everybody. but my vote is for donald. >> thank you, jose. m
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m megyn, back to you in new york. >> so much at stake tonight for the never trump movement. it if senator ted cruz does not win indiana, he could lose major sport from anti-trump donor who is have been spending millions to help him. if that happens, where does the stop trump campaign go from here? charles krauthammer is a fox news contributor and joins us now. charles, what about this stop trump movement and its status? where do you think going forward? >> well i think it dies. if what looks like is going to happen, happens. if cruz loses, and according to the polls it would be somewhere in double digits, there's no stop trump campaign. trump will have the nomination. i think the further question is, will trump be able to bring in some of those people? remember, cruz has had, has now a not-insubstantial following.
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he doesn't have enough to win the nomination. but when you have 550 delegates, you represent quite a large segment, a minority segment of course, of the electorate. and the question is, will trump reach out, and that's why i think what he did today is so puzzling. he's way ahead. he's got the nomination in his pocket. and yet, he floats or repeats the story from national inquirer, which is weird twilight zone stuff. about ted cruz's dad. being associated with lee harvey oswald. who was the kennedy assassin. that's what set ted cruz off. i'm not sure he planned any of the vitriol he launched at trump today. but it was like his reaction after the attack on his wife. attack on his wife, attack on his dad. if you want to reconcile with somebody, if you want to stand on the stage at the end of the
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convention, raising his hand. that's not what you do. but i think what trump said, i think it was yesterday, or the day before, is important. i want party unity. but i don't need it. i can win without it. and that part of the stop trump segment, that was behind cruz, may find itself in a position where they will follow him. i can't imagine him holding up trump's hand on the last day of the convention. >> charles, certainly not from what we saw today. where ted cruz did what many of his supporters had been urging him to do for months. you know, which was go after trump directly. and cruz had spent a lot of time mocking the media for trying to foster a cage match between the two of them. today the voters got that. here's a little of ted cruz. >> this man is a pathological liar. he doesn't know the difference between trump and lies, he lies
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pr practically every word that comes out of his mouth. donald trump is a serial philanderer, he's proud of being a serial philanderer. i want everyone to think about your teenaged kids. the president of the united states talks about how great it is to commit adultery. how proud he is. describes his battles with venereal disease as his own personal vietnam. >> how do you think that plays? >> it doesn't play. and it doesn't play for two reasons. one is it's completely unmodulated. whatever the substance of his charges, launching them like that, particularly, at the 11th hour when you look to be on the edge of political extinction, looks like desperation, second, where was he for the first three, four, six, seven months of this campaign? he was the one candidate of the 16 that began to dwindle.
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who spoke most favorably of donald trump. called him my friend. after the episode i think it was the episode where trump hesitated to disavow david duke. cruz refused to criticize him. as with a lot of other -- when i attacked john mccain. when you do that after all that time praising him, it looks to be insincere, and desperate. >> charles, thank you. >> my pleasure. >> well, hillary clinton is looking to shut the door tonight on bernie sanders. why donald trump says he could pick up some of bernie's supporters. >> and donald trump getting big-time celebrity support in indiana. former indiana hoosier's head coach bobby night joins us in just a couple of minutes. >> you folks are taking a look at the most prepared man in history to step in as president of the united states.
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comments she made back in march. >> i want to know how you can say you're going to put a lot of coal miners out of jobs. and come in here and tell us how you're going to be our friend. because those people out there, don't see you as a friend. >> i don't know how to explain it other than what i said was totally out of context from what i meant. because i have been talking about helping coal country for a very long time. it was a misstatement. because what i was saying is that the way things are going now. we will continue to lose jobs, that's what i meant to say. >> mike emmanuel following the clinton campaign in athens, ohio, mike? >> bret, good evening. on indiana primary night hillary clinton focuses on the general election and the critical battleground state of ohio here in athens, clinton laid out her vision on jobs and the economy. >> our economy succeeds only when working people everywhere
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can succeed. not just in big cities, but in the hills of eastern kentucky, right here in southern ohio. deep in the coal fields of west virginia. the small towns that dot this part of america. >> bernie sanders was out in indianapolis at breakfast, trying to drive voter turn-out and hoping to earn as many of the 83 pledged delegates up for grabs. despite calls for some democrats calling for him to tone down his rhetoric. sanders hit clinton for being wrong on trade. costing america jobs. >> people want a candidate who has stood with them who will transform our trade policies. >> last into williamston, west virginia, clinton received a rough reception after she talked about a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business. clinton expressed regret after being confronted by an emotional
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and out of work miner. >> i feel sad and sorry that i gave folks the reason or excuse to be so upset with me. because that's not what i intended at all. >> today that miner, bo copley talked about his encounter with clinton and said she didn't win him over. >> it doesn't sound like she cares about my vote at all. i think the biggest topic is who is going to take care of the people in our region and that's what's most important. >> it will be interesting to see if clinton pays a price for snubbing indiana. not spending time or money there. clearly she does not think she needs it in order to become the democratic nominee. bret? >> thank you. >> the man is utterly amoral. morality does not exist for him. it's why he went after heidi directly and smeared my wife. >> his father was with lee harvey oswald prior to oswald's being you know, shot, i mean the
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whole thing is ridiculous. what is this, right prior to his being shot. nobody even brings it up, they don't even talk about that. that was reported and nobody talks about it. >> donald trump went on national television, and attacked my father. donald trump alleges that my dad was involved in assassinating jfk. now let's be clear -- this is nuts. this is not a reasonable position. this is just kooky. >> that's just a sample of how nasty and personal this high-stake battle between ted cruz and donald trump has become. joining us on that and more is charles hurt, columnist for the "washington times," monica crowley, online opinion editor for the "washington times." kirsten powers, "u.s.a. today" and lisa booth, strategist and founder of "high noon strategies" welcome all. kirsten, let me get your take on that. on what we're seeing now between these two candidates. >> well i mean it's definitely
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getting ugly, right? i think that would be the understatement of the year. the question is whether or not it's working. it's coming a little bit late for cruz i think in terms of him hitting back at trump. i'm not sure it would help him. we saw him in exit polls late deciders are breaking for cruz, it's happening a little bit after this. could it be possibly that the fiorina announcement helped him in some way. we don't know. because we did see last week that the late deciders were breaking more for trump. what about trump bringing up the national inquirer story. not saying national inquirer, but saying reports show that his father was with lee harvey oswald. >> i think a lot of people who expect the unexpected from donald trump were still a little stunned that he would rehash this unsubstantiated claim about ted cruz. when if the polling is to be believed, going into indiana, that donald trump had a healthy lead and we'll see what the results show tonight. look, donald trump's whole brand
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is he's there to smash the existing order. he can literally say and do anything. and it's working, he's winning. he said that this is ted cruz's waterloo. donald trump has to literally smash him tonight to continue the rising sense of inevitability that he's not just going to win the nomination, but that he can move into a general election campaign and win the presidency. the thing is charlie, ted cruz was feisty today. but -- his supporters had been begging for him to do something like that for weeks and months. and he kept saying he was above that. he would be the only person in the race not to do that. and then he did it on the day of a race he really needs to win. >> it kind of reminded me a little bit of what marco rubio did days before he was chased out of the race. where he got down into the mud, slung with donald trump and tried to be sort of a miniature donald trump. and proved not to be a very
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successful one. >> and -- >> i think it's the same thing we're seeing with cruz, getting into the venereal disease, all the stuff that, it sounds like something that trump would do to one of his opponents. and for whatever reason, it seems to always work. but it doesn't seem to work when his opponents do it to him. so it seems like a hail-mary pass. >> for the record on the venereal disease front, just to clear it up. trump was telling howar stern years ago he never got venereal disease and that was a miracle, because he was a playboy of sorts and he considered that his own personal vietnam. >> why would cruz want to bring this up right now. he has resisted doing it up to now. i don't get why you do it at the last minute before you're as monica said, his waterloo. >> lisa, you look at the exit polls, it shows a divided
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republican party. six in ten republican voters today saying the campaign has divided this party. many of them on either side saying they won't vote for the other as the nominee. how tough is this going to be to unite a party no matter what happens. >> it's incredibly tough. this represents the difficulty for whoever the nominee is which definitely looks like it's going to be donald trump at this point this is what he's going to have to do. he's going to have a tough general election. he's going to win over republican voters, some of whom who have rejected him so far. the reason we're seeing this escalating war of words is because indiana is so pivotal if donald trump wins tonight, he is unstoppable. he won every congressional district last week. every county. you look at new york, he got 60% of the vote, won 89 out of 95 delegates, how do you stop that? especially in state like indiana which is tailor-made for someone like senator cruz. we're seeing in early exit polling. even evangelical cystials are
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splitting between trump and cruz 47-46. that's supposed to be cruz's voter base. >> we didn't put a trump response to the cruz sound bytes we've played numerous times. we'll put it up on the screen. it says ted cruz is a desperate candidate trying to save his failing campaign. it's no surprise he's resorted to his usual tactics of over-the-top rhetoric that nobody believes. over the last week i've watched lying ted become more and more unhinged as he's unable to react under the pressure and stress of losing. >> monica, he didn't say that on cam remarks but obviously put out that statement. >> donald trump has this uncanny ability to zone right in on one of his opponent's vulnerabilities. and to emphasize that cruz is flailing, that he looks desperate. it's sort of reinforces the image that cruz has already been projecting over the last two weeks. realizing that that the crunch is really on him. this race today in indiana is the last chance to break the
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organized resistance against donald trump. and if donald trump in fact wins tonight. it's over. that kind of statement is let trump be trump. the way they used to say let reagan be reagan. it's worked for donald trump to this point and it could win him the nomination without a contested convention. >> kirsten, what do you believe is the thinking from the hillary clinton camp as they see trump with a lead going into indiana with a lead. taking these kinds of risks. it highlights his unpredictability and it must raise questions for him about what do you do, how do you deal with it? >> i think we all know that they have long said that trump would be the one that they would want to run against. but that doesn't mean that they don't also look at this and think -- what's going to happen and how do you respond when he comes at you with the lowest blow imaginable and says the things that nobody else will say and that you've never had to respond to before? i think that they, they hope that he, they will be able to
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use it to their advantage. for example with millennials, who overwhelmingly and again we see it today in the exit polls go for bernie sanders. they don't particularly like hillary clinton, either, if you look at the polls there was a harvard institute of politics poll that came out the last couple of days basically saying the one thing that would make them vote for hillary clinton is donald trump. i think they're hoping that that's what they can use to get people to tump out for her. is the fact that donald trump will be alienating people she needs. >> in the west virginia thing, with the coal miners and what she said at that debate, town hall and what she is saying now. they're completely opposite. we have tape. >> yes, we do. >> ted cruz does this as well. donald trump is more likely to say i changed my mind. or something like that. >> what you're seeing on the tape isn't happening.
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>> this is what politicians do, they say that you're, don't believe your lying eyes. >> they all do it. >> as two people who have moderated republican presidential debates and would love to moderate a democratic one, too. they lie, they're politicians, it comes with the territory. we're counting down to the top of the hour when the final polls close in indiana. it could be as we've been talking about, a make-or-break moment. >> who will win the hoosier state? will donald trump donald trump and hillary clinton be one step closer to their path to the nomination? stay tuned. there are two billion people
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woer just minutes away from the final polls closing in indiana. last-minute vote remembers casting their ballots. let's bring in the campaign cowboys, chris wallace is joined by joe trippy and karl rove. both fox news contributors. >> indiana is very interesting. they have 92 counties here and it's in two different time zones. 80 of the counties are in the eastern time zones, the polls close there at 6:00 eastern. at 12 counties in the western
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part of the state are in the central time zone. which is why we can't make a call among other things. they're still voting at that part of the site. there are plenty of numbers from the campaign cowboys, looking at the numbers coming in from the 80 counties where the polls have closed, what are you seeing on the republican side? the gross numbers are that trump is leading by about 20 points. >> the northeast corner of the state is the third congressional district this is thought to be cruz territory, he's winning two out of the six counties that are in there, starting to come in. this is the early vote it tends to be absentee and early vote. not a good sign to be behind in four of the six counties there. and then when you look across the southern part of the state, seventh, eighth and six congressional districts, south of indianapolis this is conservative territory. there's not a single county of the nearly dozen and a half that are coming in there that cruz is ahead of trump.
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trump's margin is bigger in the south than it is in the northeast. so far, early-burst for trump in the early vote and absentee ballots. >> let me turn to the democrats, and on the democratic side, hillary clinton leading by about 15 points, after you drill down into the numbers, through the 80 counties in the east. what are you seeing? >> about 30 counties, she'sahea of them. the thing about this early, these early precincts that commit. they're most early vote and hillary clinton always does very well with that vote. >> you mean people that voted before today? >> yes. they tend to be older voters and more reliable voters, those are the voters that hillary clinton does so well. she's got this 57-43 lead right now. that's definitely going to close. some of these counties are going to turn around. >> karl, obviously a lot of talk about what it means if donald
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trump wins and wins by ten points what does it do to this race. >> it puts trump on track two, 1237 votes on the first ballot, essentially him there are several hundred delegates who are bound to him on the first ballot, not necessarily bound to him on the subsequent ballots. >> if you want real proof this is from a ted cruz email on friday. indiana could be the deciding factor if trump wins all the delegates in indiana. his nomination could be all but determined. >> i suspect those words are now inoperative. we're making a big deal about the fact that in the exit polls, 40% of the cruz and kasich voters says if trump wins they're not going to vote for him. in 200840% at the end of the democratic race between obama and clinton, 40%, mainly the clinton voters were like they
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weren't going to vote for obama. so when they say in the heatle of the battle. i'm not going to vote for the other guy. >> it turns out never to happen. i don't believe it will happen in november. >> they will unify. >> hillary clinton will make sure that happens with the republicans and donald trump or cruz will make sure it happens for democrats. >> the great union fire the other unifire the other guy. >> back to you in new york. >> polls are set to close in indiana at the top of the hour. how candidates playing on social media at buzz surrounding each of their campaigns. >> plus the man synonymous with the name hoosier bobby knight pushing hard for donald trump. he joins us live. >> the great bobby knight endorsement. how good is that? and he is going to be with me all sunday and monday and we are having a good time. he is some guy. is he a winner. that's what we need now. we need winners.
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to their advantage. the head of political ad sales at twitter. jenna, welcome. donald trump is obviously the most prolific user of twitter. some would argue not always to the benefit of his campaign but is he using it a lot. what's the newest thing with the trump use of twitter and social media? >> thank you for having me. what we're seeing is donald trump really stepping up his game to be very sophisticated with his advertising. so as we saw bobby knight, former indiana coach endorse donald trump, he's actually taking that video on twitter and paying to advertise that video, specifically to users in the state of indiana. that are fans of basketball. and what they've seen just in the last few days is over a half a million views of those video alone just in the state of indiana. >> in the general election, we are obviously going to see this bombardment of social media on the democratic side bernie sanders has led but seems like hillary clinton is doing well in indiana. >> absolutely.
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i think that the data shows just a week ago, related to the primaries we saw that the conversation on the platform was pretty even amongst hillary clinton as well as bernie sanders. and once hillary had a pretty strong victory last week, we have now start to do see her pull ahead in terms of the amount of mentions on the platform for hillary clinton. >> jenna, thank you. we have you back. >> thank you. >> the moment of the night just seconds away. all the polls in indiana close at the top of the hour. we've got you covered. >> coming up, live coverage from the campaigns and possible race projections. the battle for indiana continues next here from america's election headquarters. r sneezing, runny nose and nasal congestion. return to the world with clarispray.
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or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. it is 7:00 here on the east coast and polls have now closed in all counties in indiana where fox news can now project that donald trump will beat texas senator ted cruz. and that state's republican presidential primary according to fox news exit polls and early vote tallies. this victory significantly improves trump's chances of massing the 1237 delegates need to do clinch the republican presidential nomination, which is nine states remaining the top trump ring of the republican party appears to be rapidly running outs of options. on the democratic side, it is too early to project a winner between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. >> i want to bring back in fox news senior political analyst brit hume.
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there you have it. they said it was ted cruz waterloo and he has not succeeded in stopping trump tonight. >> he hasn't and it is thee let take call matter still possible for someone other than trump or for trump to be denied the 1237, but i think it's a political impractical matter it is no longer possible and this race is basically over and trump has won and the most notable thing about this that strikes me, megan and bret is as we have gotten in the last few weeks. his margins have been mounting and he now bears the same kind of earmark that you used to see in frontrunners who went on to win in the past. that is there is a stage in the race where they begin to win everywhere and they begin to win big and margins begin to grow. we won't know what the margin is for a while. this is a state where cruz in particular made a big stand against him. it was a state that had some political possibilities or so it seemed for ted cruz
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and it didn't happen. i think we can now look at this in just that way. trump is head up in badgers flying at the moment. >> head up and what? >> banners flying. >> megyn kelly, have you never heard that expression before. >> i thought you were saying r-rated. i wanted to make sure head up where? >> we have been all over the math tonight, greta. go down that road. i don't know. brit, what about the rest of the republican party? as we look at this. we talked with charles about the stop trump and never trump movement there are a number of them that are now becoming eventually trump. but it seems like just looking at the exit polls that there is a long way to go here in the republican party. >> you mean in terms of uniting the party? >> yeah. what we begin to see now and we already see a lot of signs of this, office
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holders, party regulars, party officials will begin to fall in line. and trump will begin, i think, to be able to rally them not all of them, perhaps, but many of them to his cause it will be harder for people who are -- people i'm talking about republicans first and conservatives second. but there are a number of people who voted republican and support the republican party who are conservatives first and republicans second. and it will be harder to bring them around. they look at trump and they think, you know, not only is he inexperienced and behave in a way that we don't particularly appreciate in terms of his personal conduct, but he is not a conservative and bringing them around just seems to me is going to be difficult and i think it's something that trump would be wise to attempt to do. they might go to the polls and vote for the down ballot races and just not vote for president. so he needs to begin to try
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to find a way to pull these people in. and he hasn't really embarked on that task yet, except for a couple of speeches which were generally well reviewed. the last one not so much as the first. you know, he has got work to do. you know, brit, to your point, mark falter who was john mccain's closest aid, he came out and said he will vote for hillary clinton over donald trump. i think she is the more conservative choice and least reckless one saying he believes trump is not fit for office temperamentally and morally he went on from there. earlier some say folks say that but they don't mean it they do unify. they get to the general election and look across the aisle and say forget that. i can't do that. but, yet, this is a little differential a stop trump movement has really dug in on their objections to him how do you see that playing
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because trump says maybe i don't need them and i'm going to expand my other vote. my crossover vote and moderates and so on? >> well that will depend on trump. i think that comet you just cited where he said i could be more presidential and unite the party where i don't really need to may turn out to be exactly the comment that we need to keep an eye on because. he has in recent days shown no signs that he wants to calm things down and, you know, rally people around and softball his attacks on his opponents or do anything of the things that you normally see a candidate on the verge of winning do. and you know, the mark falters of the world, look, i don't think there are too many true conservatives who will say i would rather vote for hillary, there may be a few. that's not the danger. the danger is that those people just don't vote for president. and deprive him thereby of votes he could use and will definitely need because if
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you look how far under water is he with various groups, women in particular, which is 75 to 24, that's a pretty severe deficit to make up. and he needs to start doing it. and he will need every vote. the clinton people are saying it's going to be a close election and maybe it will. but, if you are looking at current polling, it won't. >> brit, thanks. bret bret let's check in now at the trump headquarters. chief political correspondent carl cammeron is live there now. carl? >> hi, bret. the trump campaign had meetings looking forward to the general election. they clinton campaign tell graphed of attacking early and as a consequence of that, the trump campaign recognizes that assuming that now the call has been made, indiana is in the bag and he will get a large number, perhaps even sweep all of them, the trump campaign suggesting they were particularly worried about one congressional district around terre haute arguing that was particularly favorable district favorably for ted cruz and that would be the only congressional district
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that he gets tonight which could mean that trump could be on a track to win 54 of the 57 delegates up for grabs. that's why they are so eager to start planning. they have have a number of things on their agenda. they have acknowledged when it comes to big data they don't yet have a system that's up to presidential standards competing with the likes of the stuff that barack obama was able to crush mitt romney with. they also recognize that they need lots more horses. they are going to need regional directors. they are going to need state directors and finance people. how they are going to finance this campaign remains a question. trump says self-funder. he has been loaning money to the campaign. take hundreds of millions for the general election. whether he wants to take that up or take donations from where self-question along with a running mate and much more. clear sign that trump at least recognizes that now it's time to shift into yet another gear and focus on november. bret? >> carl, thank you. >> not so happy with tonight's results over at cruz headquarters. john roberts is live in nannies -- indianapolis,
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there? john? >> megyn, good thing they have a open bar because people are going to need soothing. ted cruz could not have done worse in this state if he had planned it. he did everything he could to get attention. announced pac with john kasich early. announced carly fiorina running mate. the governor of mike pence endorsed him and had that confrontation face to face with the trump supporter and still could not pull out a victory here. then, this morning when ted cruz went off on donald trump calling him a liar, pathological, calling him a immoral, talking about serial philanderer and contrast that with what ted cruz had said about donald trump earlier this year. i like and respect donald. is he bold and brash. he is terrific. i will continue to sing donald's praises personally. does he go on and fight this all the way to the convention or take a look at the landscape and say if i couldn't beat donald trump in indiana which a lot of
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people saw as ted cruz's official firewall is there reason to continue on. -- one believes cruz could go the way of marco rubio this evening. i think that's probably a bridge too far but definitely, megyn, they have to take a look at whether they have a path forward after tonight. >> john, thank you. the panel is back with us now. charles hurt, monica crowley joining the panel. juan williams fox news political analyst and co-host of "the five" radio whose of dana on blaze tv. dana, i want to start with you. your reaction to tonight and also to ted cruz today. kind of unleashing and yet, coming up short in indiana. >> well, it is what it is. i mean, we kind of knew that indiana was going to be incredibly competitive and trump wins indiana. where the campaign goes from here, i don't know. it's difficult for me to
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foresee how the campaign can continue going after a loss like this in indiana. although, you know, you could still argue some may, that there are a number of states out west, bret that are still competitive, that trump is not going to be able to win states like nebraska. after a loss like indiana and particularly with the importance placed upon it that does effect momentum it will effect donors. one of the other things i at the present time note here as well. i think this is also going to effect the republican party. it's going to effect republican party membership. i think that the republican party membership is going to have to do soul searching. in terms of discussion for unification. trump won in indiana he gets those 30 delegates and how many are divided up by congressional district. for a candidate that says he wants to unify and this is really important, and i want people to put aside partisan differences for a moment. for a candidate that says he wants to unify, is he having a very difficult time convincing other people of that with his statements and
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actions as of late. that needs to be taken into some serious consideration going forward. >> let me push back a little bit. ted cruz said the party was unifying behind him. clearly if any state lined up for ted cruz, it was indiana. it does not appear like the party is lining up behind him. >> it doesn't appear like the party is lining up, majority wise, among anyone. you still have a majority of republicans because had you such a wide primary field and that has to be taken into consideration too that did not go for donald trump. he was won a plurality not a majority. it's difficult to argue that the majority of the g.o.p. or the party has backed him as well. however, we're going with plurality here in indiana and that's ultimately determining the victor here. >> charlie, let me ask you, because there are plenty of tweets coming out on twitter, this one from larry)azñ sabato saying the race will continue but it's over. but there are other tweets from some conservatives suggesting this is it.
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that the republican party has fundamentally changed as of right now. given what we've seen. your thoughts? >> i think there will definitely be holdouts among the very principled conservatives. a lot of them are. who simply will never be able to get behind a guy like donald trump, who is not, you know, has a lot of positions that are clearly not as conservative as they would like them to be. or i would like them to be for that matter. but, the bottom line is, you know, he has manage to do tap into something and he has managed to give life to very important issues that the republican party has completely neglected for nears. and he has done this in a way that i think, you know, he will lose some of those voters but i think there is a very good chance that he will bring a lot of new voters back into the fold. voters that have not
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participated in a long time because of their deep, deep frustration. and perhaps even win over some democrats. >> just to follow up. is there evidence of the missing republican voter? because some pundits say there is no evidence that the republicans were missing. these folks who are voting in the primary that they were motivated by donald trump to vote as primary voters. but what. so experts say these were already republican, dependable republican votes in the general. >> mitt romney lost in 2012 because what 3 million republican voters didn't show up. donald trump and mitt romney was a flawed candidate in a lot of ways. and he was not as vigorous on a lot of these issues like yam gation and like fighting the war on terrorism that donald trump is. and of course donald trump also -- and this is the
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thing that probably drives people the craziest is talking about trade. he's running the republican policy on trade in the complete opposite direction that all the republicans have for a long time. and so, i imagine a lot of those voters who didn't show up for mitt romney in 2012 are probably some of the new voters we seo coming out in the primary here. >> we can say republican party, at least in this cycle, is changing. monthly can a and juan, we'll be right back after a break. donald trump has been saying a win in indiana means this race is over. so is it o'er? and what about the democrats back with more in just a couple minutes? g with humana and your doctor to maintain your health. because in 5 days, 10 hours and 2 minutes you are going to be 67. and on that day you will walk into a room where 15 people will be waiting... 12 behind the sofa, 2 behind the table and 1 and a half behind a curtain. family: surprise!
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>> a big win for donald trump tonight in indiana. ted cruz will finish second followed by ohio governor john kasich whose campaign just put out a statement saying he is in it until donald trump gets to 1237. that's what they're saying. let's go over to martha maccallum now. she is looking at the results from the exit polls. martha? >> look how trump won this in a pretty big way tonight. we saw ted cruz basically lashing out at trump on everything from his conservatism to his quote philandering over the past several days and pretty much everything in between. voters in indiana said
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essentially that they didn't care. cruz did get the very conservative voter that he went after in a big way. it turns out in indiana right now among the g.o.p. more voters already consider themselves to be somewhat conservative or moderate. remember this is open primary you got independence in there as well. also on the whole a bit less angry than the voters that we have seen in the past and perhaps cruz was too angry for them in some regard. but here's the headline when we boil down all these numbers. it is the economy, stupid. all over again. that is what people care about. 92% say they consider themselves worried or very worried about the u.s. economy and they appear to believe that donald trump can fix it. and right under that headline is this word "outsider." they want one, once again, in indiana. at 76% for that number. experienced voters they did go for ted cruz. in some ways we have seen that word have a somewhat negative connotation with voters in this primary.
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series so far and we see that again tonight. so let's talk lastly here about the two frontrunners. hillary clinton and donald trump. who are people excited or enthusiastic about saying in the white house? 54% of republicans today say that they would be excited or optimistic about what trump would be likes a president. two thirds though of democrats feel that wait a minute once again they are excited or optimistic about hillary clinton with about 14% of that number saying they would use the word excited about seeing mrs. clinton in the oval office. bret and megyn back to you. >> thank you. >> meanwhile, donald trump turning his sights to the general election even before pulling off tonight's victory sayingvel no problem beating hillary clinton. >> cruz got almost no votes in new york. he would be beaten so badly by hillary clinton. he can't win. so, these guys do terribly. and then the following week i win all five in a landslide.
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win them all in a landslide, right? we're going to win the whole thing. we are going to beat her in a landslide, right? we're going to beat her. [cheers] >> the panel is back with us now. monica, it can't -- the stunning victory that trump has pulled off in this race cannot be overstated. i mean, a year ago, he was on the front of magazines as a, quote, joke, they were dubbing him a joke. he broke every rule that could be broken in the electoral process. and here we sit tonight with, you know, distinguished political analysts like larry sap toe saying it's over and he has secured this nomination. it is one of the most remarkable political stories of any of our lifetimes, i think. i think there were two results coming out of the polling gives us a window as to why trump has gained the momentum and been able to sustain it through all of these wins and now set presumptive nominee.
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the first number is something that martha just reported. nearly 60% of voters wanted outsider. another number 53% feel betrayed by the republican party. that's the word they use over and over again. betrayed. these numbers track with polling we have seen from previous primary states as well. this tells me that the republican base and a lot of conservatives in that mix are fed up with republican party. they do feel alienated from their own party. they are also sick and tired of being turned into the enemy in their own country. not just with the bipartisan ruling elite but also if you oppose barack obama's agenda, somehow you are a racist or you are a homophobe or bigot in some way, and so many of these voters are saying we don't feel defended by our own party, by our own movement, and, you know what? we're going to throw the dice and try something completely different. donald trump is speaking to what remains of the great silent majority, and it's apparently now enough to
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carry him to the republican nomination. >> juan, to monica's point, the tweets i'm getting, republican party hasn't changed, bret baier. it's the g.o.p. leadership that changed. outsourcing american jobs, caving to democrats. you are seeing it again and again and again. the tea party, you know, what has become of that? is donald trump now forming a new party here of pushing back against g.o.p. leadership as the nominee? >> i don't think there is any question, something is emerging. we just can't tell the full shape of it yet. i think the reason for that is, even in tonight's election in indiana, we see only 11% of the people who voted on the republican side telling exit pollsters that they are voting for someone they think can win in november. that's not the issue for them. the issue for them is suggesting that they think the party is broken and that the party leaders have not lived up to the expectations, betrayal is the word that you see in the
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polls. but you think about it let's go beyond that they don't feel that these folks have given them voice, have represented them in terms of the washington political process. i'm struck by the idea that right now, in terms of the exit polling, it indicates that only 40% of republicans think that this campaign energized the party it was 06%. said this campaign has divided the republican party. i think that suggests to you the degree of the fracture right now in the republican ranks. and we heard earlier some of my colleagues here saying you know, right now it's on donald trump at this moment of great victory and i agree with what you said, megyn, magazine covers and the like, money expected this, and you see the republican establishment. i think they have petered out tonight. i think mike pence's endorsement and all the rest. this guy is not a social conservative. we saw issue. he is not a trade conservative. he really wants to close the doors. he is not a conservative when it comes to america as
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a global force. he wants to pull back. so, all of that suggests we're going to have to have, bret, a new way of thinking about what it is to be a republican. >> fascinating analysis it? >> really is and to your point think about all the steps along the way. the john mccain comments. the various tweets, the things that it was the end of the line and here we sit. this will rewrite the way elections are run. he said yes to every interview. he said yes to all the free media he has barely spent anything compared to other campaigns. >> he hasn't had to given the free media that he has been provided. but he has been like a bull. i know, this i say this about myself sometimes. i feel like i live my life he has been like a bull bucking and bucking and bucking in the china shop. the more china he breaks he doesn't care. he is eating it up. the party tried to bring the trump supporters to heel,
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the trump supporters, the people, if you will, brought the party to heel. >> for all the talk, charlie, of a contested convention, tonight pretty much ends that talk. we spent weeks talking about it how it was going to lay itself out. there just aren't enough states or delegates for anybody to stop from 1237. >> you know, talking about whether the party can unify. i think a lot of that question is answered by what ted cruz does tomorrow. if he continues to try to keep this divisive race or if he unifies behind. >> just to jump in, the pac that's pushing against trump, our principles pac they have come out and said we are not going to stop. donald trump can still implode. they made those comments about ted cruz's dad just this morning which shows he doesn't have the temperament and they believe anything can happen between now and california. >> this is a real problem that i think that republicans face no matter what happens. that is, maybe the donald trump supporters are all wrong. maybe they are wrong about
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everything. but, you know what? they are still the bosses of these people. they are still the voters. and whether they like it or not, you can't -- you don't bring voters to heel. and you are right. that's what they tried to do. you have to listen to them and find a way to do what they say. >> interestingly, in that statement you mentioned the strong never trump movement is critical to protecting, they say, republican incumbents and down ballot candidates. distinguishing themselves from trump. heather trying to hold on to the senate and house. >> well, the democratic race, meantime is, still too early to call. and we're keeping our eyes on that and what bernie sanders may or may not be able to do there. so what happens if he also loses tonight? where will his supporters go? >> donald trump says he has an idea. more on that next. ♪
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huge victory tonight for donald trump. fox news projecting that he will handily beat ted cruz to win the indiana primary. putting him on the path to clinching the republican nomination. on the democratic side the race is still too close to call between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. sanders is speaking right now. let's take a listen. >> the middle class of this country have to subsidize the employees of the wealthiest family in this country.
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[cheers and applause] but it is not just wealth it is not just wealth. it is income. in america today, we have millions of people working longer hours for lower wages. we have families today where mom is working 40 hours. dad is working 40 hours. kids are working and still not earning enough money to provide for their family. >> bernie sanders with supporters so enthusiastic they make little dolls of bernie. flat bernies and hold them up behind bernie as is he speaking. first i thought it might be a giraffe, a cow. >> i wasn't sure. >> no, but it's a bernie. in any event, he is having a good night so far. we will keep checking in to see what's happening there. it's pretty tight. but this -- she does not
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have this one secure. and he has got reap to be hopeful. >> you wonder why he comes out now? it is a traditional stump speech. he is in louisville, kentucky. >> wait for it. >> maybe you will get a w. go out there and talk about it well, peter doocy is live in louisville, kentucky with the sanders campaign. maybe he knows the answer. peter, donald trump says he could see bernie supporters coming over to the trump side. what did you find? >> it's hard to believe because the crowd is so enthusiastic but there are a lot of folks here thinking about plan b in the voting booth. if sanders is not around in november and mr. trump is right there. are some among the masses here in louisville who are going to give him a look. >> i would probably be more likely to vote for him than actually clinton. i don't agree with trump on anything really honestly. terrible direction for our country to go in. >> i don't think that i could support mr. trump but i absolutely don't feel that
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i could support hillary clinton either. so i'm just going to stay with what i've got. we're going to fight to the convention. >> trump, he's scary. that's the nicest word i can say about him. >> i think the congress could maybe control trump. she just like her husband. >> and bernie sanders talked a lot about a political revolution a overwhelming majority of folks we talked to on the line to get into this event just refused to accept the possibility that movement may stop short of the white house. megyn? >> peter, thank you. a little data for you. "the washington post"/abc news did a poll showing among democratic leaning voters who want sanders to be the nominee 13% of them view him favorably, 86% unfavorably. if he wants to get them on his side there is work to be done. >> to your point earlier,
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talking about the republican party, michael reagan tweeted out the republican party is no longer the party of reagan it is now the party of trump. good luck. so, there's that. let's bring in the campaign cowboys, chris wallace, joe trippi and karl rove. chris? >> thanks so much, bret. let's talk a little bit about the delegate situation on the republican side in indiana because, up until this -- tonight, the delegates have been all important. 57 delegates at stake in indiana. it's a winner-take-most system. 330 delegates go to the winner the state and three each in each of the nine congressional districts. karl rove, looking at that how many of those 57 delegates does it look like donald trump is going to win tonight? >> we have results in about 8 of the 9 congressional districts and it looks like is he taking every one of them. northeast corner of the state. third congressional district was expected to be cruz's strong point and is he winning two of the counties in the district but losing it overall and everywhere
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else of the 60-some odd counties, trump is in the high 40's in five of them and in the 50's and higher in nearly 60 of the counties. my sense is he takes all 57 delegates, 54 delegates, committee. >> no, it's 57. but, let me let me ask you about the delegate situation because i was doing math while you were talking, he had 996. let's say he gets 57. 1053, which means 184 delegates short of the magic number, 1237. so, is it premature to talk about him getting the magic number before the convention of avoiding this contested convention? you have got a white board there. >> got a white board. actually, the number is 997 if you toss in the one unbound delegate who has announced for him outside of pennsylvania. so, let's assume he gets all 57 tonight, that leaves him at 1054. he needs 183 more to get to the majority.
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that -- there are 445 to be determined after tonight. for the first time since we began this contest, as of tonight, donald trump needs to win less than 50% of the outstanding delegates in order to secure the majority. it has not been that way any time before tonight. he has to get 41% of the remaining delegates to get to the majority. before that he has always had in the 50's or 60's. tonight he is now under the 50% mark. >> that is a big deal. that he now needs only a minority of the did he delegates left, 41%. you and i were talking over the last half hour, and you have an interesting point about how many americans are really determining who these nominees are going to be. >> yeah. people -- we get these sort of record turnout things. it turns out that look, presidential turnouts are notoriously low turnouts. >> in primaries. >> in primaries, yes. and so i checked yesterday, 10% of the voting age population has voted in the republican primary. 9% of the voting age population has voted in the
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democratic primaries. that means literally someone hit hot buttons and get 4% of the voting age population or 3% of the voting age population can start over running a party. that's what i think you are seeing now. that's what donald trump has been doing this entire time. using and what's causing that in the internet, social media. and. >> so you energize 4%. you suddenly can have a majority in a major american political party. >> sanders has been doing that on the democratic side. >> one last point i want to get back to you, carl, there was talk earlier among the panel about millions of missing republican voters and that romney would have won in 2012 if all the republicans who could have voted had come out and vote. you don't buy that theory? >> well, i don't. because not born out by the exit polls. i did a column about this last year. it's available on my website rove.com. if you look at self-described conservatives in 2012 matched all-time
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high 2004 and 1984, and mitt romney got -- there were 850,000 more conservatives turn out to vote than had ever voted for and 2.2 million more people self-identified conservatives who voted for romney. and same on the evangelical argument. sometimes we hear that well, he was a mormon, therefore millions of evangelicals stayed out. no, record number of evangelicals voted. and mitt romney got 1% more of the evangelical vote than the previous winner, which was george w. bush in 2004. so this myth of if we just had nominated somebody more conservative or more able to appeal to evangelicals we would have brought out millions of additional voters in 2012 is not born out by the exit polls at all. >> all right. well, there you go. so much for the missing voters. they are not missing. doesn't that reassure you brit and megyn? >> thanks, chris. >> see you guys soon. so where do we go from here? ted cruz says he is staying in the race. >> same for john kasich. put out a release. much more coming up on america's election
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they come out. >> meanwhile, the kasich campaign is out with this statement tonight saying, quote, tonight's results are not going to alter governor kasich's campaign plans. our strategy has been and continues to be one that involves winning the nomination at an open convention. joining me now howard kurtz, fox news media analyst. howie, john kasich is staying. in ted cruz is staying in. and there continues to be some talk about a third party run. will the republicans run a third party, not cruz, not kasich, to try to take trump down. the "wall street journal" pointing out they there are significant risks to the party in doing that. >> that's understanding. i hear a lot of conservatives grappling what would they do in a trump, clinton race. the journal editorial race no fan of trump says this would hand the white house to hillary clinton. that's true. slam dunk through the basketball ring and it means that there is some in the republican party so
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disgusted with trump or so fearful of what he would do in the fall or don't like the way is he redefining the g.o.p. brand they would essentially give up power for the next four years in order to keep him out of the white house. >> when down ballot, they are worried about down ballot. >> politicians always worried about self-interests if they see problems at the top of the ticket. >> senate and house races down the road. from their point of view, they say the bill kristols, the others who have talked about this, say that with the right conservative candidate they would be able to protect senate and house seats and perhaps stop hillary clinton and donald trump from getting to the 270 electoral votes needed and thereby sending the race into the house of representatives, who then decides the presidential race that is their wrong time dream thamplet is a fantasy especially with the nap favors democrats and hillary clinton. it seems to me the problem fortner trump crowd right now is what do they do? ted cruz has every right to stay in the race and john kasich.
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probably hoping that donald trump will fall off the stage politically speaking i mean not like carlie fiorina. and something prevent them to getting 137. if he does if they took this tactic of a third party bid take the civil war going on in the party now and extend it for years. it would be really bloody. it's kind of a hobson's choice. do you have a party led by trump who could steal some votes from working class democrats or do you try to keep trump out of the white house, which is what this third party idea would do in hopes of building the republican party other point the journal raises they have not been fans of donald trump. look, if the voters want donald trump, this is a quote. they need to seat consequences of their primary vote. the last thing the party needs is an excuse for mr. trump and his allies to blame a defeat on a stab in the back by other republicans. they're saying don't block him with a third party run, see what can he do. if he wins, is he a
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republican. presumably they think is he better than hillary clinton. if he loses, then those never trump -- i mean, pro-trump people had feel the consequences of the decision. >> right. but by trying to block trump which is what this action would do, of course trump will be extremely vocal about it. he will blame this movement if he does indeed lose in the fall, if he is the nominee. they are handing him this excuse. it really would extend this bloody warfare as i say far beyond november. meanwhile, my head is kind of spinning. we come through a campaign gone from the size of the hands to serial philanderer and venereal disease to killer. >> we haven't even gotten to the general. >> no. >> donald trump turning his attention to the general election. his team holding multiple meetings today as you heard from carl cammeron about how to expand their operations to take on hillary clinton.
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we are awaiting comments right now from both donald trump and senator ted cruz. you are looking live at trump headquarters in new york city and cruz headquarters in indianapolis. we'll take you there live just as soon as these events get started. >> what is tonight's win for trump due to the delegate math? who better to ask than bill hemmer live at the pill board. >> hey there, brett and megyn. it does a lot for him. it makes his argument extremely strong after this victory tonight. i will show it to you right now. we have so far awarded trump 45 of the 57 delegates in indiana. that means he gets 30 statewide and about another dozen so far with 12 more still on the table. so here he is 1041. that includes the 40 unpledged delegates in pennsylvania a week ago. he needs 196 to get there before the night started, we put this projection together. now, this is certain to change after tonight. just as it has over each
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primary that has succeeded it. but this is what we believe as of now winner-take-all nebraska would go cruz. west virginia heavily favored for donald trump on his column a week from tonight. then we go out west, oregon slight favor for trump washington state slight favorite for trump. move into june 7th, first tuesday of the month with five states still on the board. they would be, as of now, and this could change again, but winner-take-all montana for cruz,likewise south dakota for cruz. slight edge in new mexico for trump and then we get to california. after crunching the numbers this past week with brian murphy and brian arudy, two great teammates here at fox, we believe california would put trump, at the moment more than 120 of the 170 delegates. and that might be low for california after what we are watching in indiana tonight, the same day new jersey winner-take-all is 51. and that would get him at
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1285. well over the required number of 1237 prior to convention in cleveland, ohio. so, you can see now how much indiana means to the trump team tonight. bret? megyn? >> and those unbound delegates in pennsylvania. they mean a lot, too. >> big time, bill, thank you. you know, we are watching watchg this democratic race over in indiana, too. and it is still too close to call. >> which is interesting. we have our panel still with us. juan, really quickly, what happens if bernie sanders wins indiana? >> not much in terms of the delegate math. the key here you have to understand is 92 delegates in play. they are delivered proportionally as we have just seen from bill hemmer on the republican side, you had about 30 of the 54 delegates, 57. given to the at large winner of the state. instead, what hillary clinton needs is about 24 of the 83 delegates, the pledged delegates that have been allot to do keep pace with basically the way things are going now with
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her having a substantial lead among the delegates. it's interesting to note indiana is a state, i think it's 77% white. if you look in the exit polls between black and white voters, hillary clinton, again, winning overwhelmingly 60 plus% of black voters. it's the flip, bret, it's what's carrying bernie sanders tonight. >> if he winning 18 states to her 23 states. is he still making the case that he wants to stay in all the way to the convention. >> wow. when you look at it that way. it's more significant when you look at it. >> delegate and super delegates sounds very different. >> we're moments away right now from speeches from both donald trump and ted cruz after trump's victory. this should be interesting. how is cruz going to spin this? what is donald trump going to say is the meaning of his victory tonight? >> plus bill o'reilly picks up at the top of the hour the kelly file. hey, that's you. >> i'm going to stick around, oh, wait, that's me. >> stay with us.
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the momentum behind you right now that will do it for us tonight. i will be back at 9:00 p.m. eastern with the kelly file followed by special two hour edition of hannity at 10:00. >> a special live edition of "the five." heres bill. ♪ ♪ hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. no formal talking points memo because we have information about the indiana primary. first up, trump won, room to spare. second, looks like sanders will defeat hillary clinton although no one will say that but me. third, here is martha maccallum to tell us how it went down according to the exit polling. before we get to that, though. i called this race for trump three weeks ago as you know. i said after the new york primary. >> what have we been doing all this for. >> i don't know why you are doing this and staying up late and running 24 hours a day. the process is the process
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