up for a new star wars film road on which will hit theaters in time for christmas and i guarantee you i will be in the theater next christmas watching that. good stuff. bill: check in on the fourth later today. martha: may the fourth be with you everybody. we will see you later on radio. jon: new fallout this morning from the stunning results in indiana turning donald trump into the presumptive gop presidential nominee and handing hillary clinton and embarrassing defeats. welcome, i'm on. heather: i'm heather in for jenna lee. who would have seen all this stuff coming what a day. donald trump seen senator ted cruz is quote, one heck of a competitor. cruz dropping out last night after trump's victory put in less than two hundred delegates shy of that magic number, 1237. >> this has been an amazing evening. i didn't expect this and what ted did his is really a brave

thing to do and a great thing to do. because we want to bring unity to the republican party. >> together, we left it all on the fieldin indiana . we gave it everything we got. but the voters chose another path. jon: we have team fox coverage, matt live involve array so indiana. but we start with peter ducey whose live in jeffersonville indiana. peter? reporter: john, donald trump, the victor in indiana last night but he was caught offguard by the cruise can concession last night and when you listen to that surprise announcement, many cruz backers in the room were shocked as well. >> with a heavy heart but with boundless optimism for the long term future of our nation we are suspending our campaign.

but hear me now, i am not suspending our fight for liberty. reporter: cruz flew from that speech in indianapolis to his home in houston where the texas sender is now just a texas senator for the first time in a year. he is not a presidential candidate. trump says he has not yet spoken to cruz but you might and now that cruz is the 15th republican to run and drop out, the nickname trump has for him is being retired.>> he was a very tough competitor honestly. no, lying ted is now, we will put that aside. i really respected the gentleman. he was a tough competitor and i said that last night. i was surprised he left, actually. if there was no path in my opinion but i still thought he was going to the end. reporter: now that reince

priebus has named trump the nominee, trump is being asked how he plans to unite the party and he says today he thinks he can get republicans to rally aroundhim but there are people he doesn't want on his side. another intriguing move that trump is going to have to start thinking about, picking a running mate . we are told the trump campaign is starting to write names down on a short list and there is going to be a trump campaign meeting later today where they are going to start plotting out, fine-tuning the general election strategy with a special focus on expanding fundraising operations and expanding the data-gathering operation to compete with clinton was known for having an outstanding data outfit. jon: peter from indiana, thank you. heather: in the meantime bernie sanders campaigning in kentucky today after that upset victory over hillary clinton in indiana. senator sanders says he will fight all the way to the democratic convention despite clinton's massive delicately. matt sanders live involve array so indiana with the latest. hi matt.

reporter: good morning . heading into the primary yesterday, hillary clinton had not been in this state for nearly a week. meanwhile bernie sanders campaign crisscrossed indiana and apparently his efforts paid off. now sanders says he plans on carrying this momentum on", pulling off one of the greatest upsets in political history but while the victory is sweet in indiana for sanders, a massive mathematical reality is this win doesn't put a dent in secretary clinton's massive lead. in order to sanders for some help defeat clinton he would have to win each remaining state by at least 30 points and even though polls show sanders is in the lead in upcoming west virginia, kentucky and oregon the reality is it's spirit nearly impossible for him to catch up clinton. sanders says he will fight on. >> bernie sanders beats donald trump migrator margins then hillary clinton in battleground state after battleground state . in other words, i think the objective evidence is that i am the strongest candidate to

prevent trump from becoming president. reporter: we have not heard directly from hillary clinton since her defeat last night but her twitter account has sent several to including this one in the last hours", there is only one candidate left who can stop a trump presidency. chip in now if you've got hillary's back so interesting. clinton not even acknowledging sanders as a competitor anymore. she and donald trump team to have their eyes on the generalelection . heather: matt sims life for us in indiana. next, we will see you soon. jon: with the dust settled in indiana leaving donald trump close to clinching the gop nomination and bernie sanders slowing hillary clinton's momentum, what happens in the weeks ahead? let's bring in erin boyd, managing editor of the washington post and daniel

hettinger, deputy editorial page editor for the wall street journal. erin, do you first. just yesterday ted cruz was saying he was in it all the way to california.what happened? >> well, that's what they all say until they're not. it doesn't work well to tell your supporters you might drop out if something doesn't go well so i think it was a little bit surprising that he got outlast night . everybody else, marco rubio stating this race and it was all about waiting for that inevitable trump implosion. of course it never came but there's still another month to this campaign. cruz is downbeat in california which was going to be where trump went over the top but like i said, there's still a month before that happens. i think the calculation here in the end for ted cruz is that he acquitted himself well. he finished in second place. he's in his mid-40s, has a long political career in front of him. why not and this on a good note so to speak and wait for 2020 when he might enter as a republican front-runner?

jon: it's true that often the republican party nomination likes to hammer nomination to the guy who finished second the previous time. i guess there might be some of that thinking. donald trump is surprised that cruz left, are you? >> i'm not particularly surprised but i was shocked became so quickly last night. campaigning, politics cost money and i think ted cruz as california ahead of him, it's going to be very expensive and i think some of his donors were pulling back on him and saying enough is enough ted, we're not going to spend any more money and probably cruz didn't want to end up and get people at the moment when reality was staring him in the face and i think erin's right. he goes back to the senate and prepares them self for 2020 although i don't think he's going to get a friendly reception back in that senate he criticized for the last six months. be on the one guy left in the race besides donald trump is the one guy polls show beating hillary clinton, john kasich but if ted cruz had no

path the nomination, john kasich certainly has not. why is he still in? x i think the calculus here for kasich is the hope trump doesn't get that delicate majority and that he's the only alternative at the convention. it seems unlikely right now . obviously trump was on his own path for the delicate majority and that's what the cruz campaign recognized. what's more, a lot of cruz supporters will go to trump. polls didn't show there was a unified not trump movement. a lot of those cruz and kasich supporters would go to trump if they were chosen candidate was no longer in the race so we are going to see a consolidation around donald trump, a recognition that he is the nominee and the party will rally to that and accept what awaits them in the general election. jon: let's look ahead to that general election. you've got hillary clinton and in all likelihood against donald trump.

what are the issues that predominate and how do those two candidates address them? >> let's start with one fundamental. in the primaries you played your base and in the general election you have to win by going with your base plus some percentage of undecided independent voters. the question in both instances is, what is donald trump going to do now to appeal to independent donors and what will hillary do? in trump's case, does he simply do more of the same, more trump question mark is campaign consists of deriding his opponent, running on the mexican wall and foreign trade or does he expand his appeal to start talking more say about economic anxiety which is the number one items on people's mind in both republican and democratic exit polls. for hillary i think your biggest problem is that bernie sanders is kind of pushing her into what i would call a progressive

straitjacket. his views are very popular in thedemocratic party. hillary wants to pivot for the center but he's not letting her so the question is how is she going to define herself going forward for that generalelection? jon: as long as hillary , i'm sorry as bernie stays in the race erin, does she , is she constrained by his presence? >> certainly somewhat. what we saw in the republican primary was that voters kind of recognize that trump was going to be the nominee. they started drifting toward him, he started winning big majorities. on the democratic side we are seeing the opposite. when it looked like hillary clinton was the presumptive nominee that the math was just too difficult for bernie sanders to overcome, he was still winning states. the indiana primary was oneof his biggest surprising results of the campaign so

there's clearly an element in the democratic party that wants to keep sending this message. they're going to drag this out, take him to the convention if he wants to go there and make a point that this is where the party should go in the future . jon: and some hillary antipathy there among democratic voters it would seem. erin blank, daniel hettinger thank you. heather: a new york doctor and his girlfriend facing charges they plotted to kill his wife. we will tell you told police about the plan and details on the way. plus, indiana see the deal for donald trump . a closer look at the primary that made him the presumptive republican nominee. do you think it was the right move for senator ted cruz to drop out of the race? it surprised a lot of us. our live chat is up and running. go to foxnews.com/happeningnow to join in on the top. >>

jon: some crime stories where following. the court action today for the man accused of killing and killing an 11-year-old girl in a remote area of the navajo nation. please getting key information from young girls brother sent the stranger

approached them at their school bus stop before lowering them into a van. a new york doctor and his girlfriend facing charges they tried to hire a hitman to kill the doctors wife. reportedly telling them they wanted the depth to appear accidental but the would be hitman went to the police instead. a manhunt underway for an estate inmate in new jersey. arthur buckle who is eligible for parole in just three weeks turned up missing during headcount at the prison. he was doing time for assault, burglary and receiving stolen property. heather: indiana creating a whole lot of drama that was pretty unexpected. in america's election headquarters today as donald trump's decisive victory forced his closest rival, senator ted cruz out of the race and now clearing trumps paps to the republican nomination. joining us now, tony cook,, reporter for the indiana was start. you have any idea this big news would be coming out of york today? >> it's been a wild ride. i think the republican party

or the state chairman of the republican party here said it best last night. indiana is going to go down in history as the state that made donald trump the presumptive republican nominee and here in indiana we're not used to mattering. our primary is so late in the calendar that you know, it's usually all settled by now. heather: voters in new york for that matter are used to mattering.i want to ask you what photo are seeing on the ground. cruz's people in particular, taking 33 percent to trumps 53 percent. when you talk to those cruz voters how are they feeling today? >> a little bit demoralized. obviously after trumps in practice victory, a lot of them are trying to figure out what to do. some of them are saying they're not going to vote for trump, some are saying they're still going to write in cruz so i think they are

kind of grappling with how to move forward after this because cruz really put it all on the line here to use a basketball metaphor . he left it all on the court and i think when you announce a vice presidential pick and strike this noncompete alliance with kasich, he played all the cards he could but in the end, voters here went heavily for trump. i think a big part of that is indiana is the most manufacturing intensive state in the nation and his message to factory workers about taxing the hell out of companies that ship jobs overseas really resonated with a lot of those folks here. heather: i want to get to the other side of the aisle and talk about the democrats and bernie sanders big win over hillary clinton. just looking at the exit polls because i find those to be fascinating, bernie sanders received a majority of white voters, those under 45, men, independents. you on most union households and those worried about the economy. that is a huge chunk.

any sense that hillary clinton could capture all those people and get them excited about her campaign for the fall? >> i don't know. it's going to be a challenge i think. especially when i think that trump and sanders in a lot of ways were sort of talking to the same crowd. so it will be really interesting to see what happens in november and where a lot of those blue-collar workers here in indiana go, which candidate they go to in the fall. heather: what do you think made them turn down sanders over clinton in your state? >> sanders campaign here a lot more than she did. she was here a few times but sanders held big rallies and three college town to hear, he focused on that younger voter crowd and he also got an endorsement from the union that represents workers at the carrier plant in indianapolis. they came out laying off 1400 people so even though clinton is well-established with labor here, there was a

segment especially factory workers that were really interested in sanders and his message about you know, in terms of his opposition to nafta. heather: and your point about that and how you have the sanders voters and then the donald trump ones, they expected a carrier issue. sanders talking about that, that resonated with folks in the state. donald trump talking about that as well that there on different sides of the aisle. nevertheless it got people talking and voting. tony cook, thanksfor joining us in indianapolis . >> thanks for having me. jon: a man arrested for breaking into a business tells police he did it because he wanted to go to jail. wait until you hear why. plus federal officials issuing thousands of regulations last year and they do not come cheap . find out how much it's costing you next. >>

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heather: a burglary suspect with a very unusual motive. new jersey police the 24-year-old man told them he broke into a trenton, new jersey business because he wanted to see his brother in jail. officers found him about a block away holding a computer, he had apparently stolen. he told the officers he was trying to get arrested . that's kind of sad, isn't it? it wasn't immediately clear if he was able to his brother in chair or why his brother was behind bars. i don't know what to say from there. jon: visiting hours? there's an eye-opening report showing how much all those federal regulations are costing all us taxpayers. shannon bream live from our dc bureau with the breakdown on that. reporter: the authors of this report from the libertarian

think tank the competitive enterprises say if you don't like paying taxes you really should be more worried about federal regulations. that's because the estimate the cost of federal regulations in 2015 amounts to all the corporate and individual taxes the irs is set to collect. the total estimated cost of that regulatory burden top $1.88 trillion. when you break it down into real-world costs, everything from the food you eat to the gas and put in your vehicle, it amounts to an annual cost of $15,000 per us household. >> you got these leftist bureaucrats and agencies doing most of the lawmaking in america and it doesn't stop there. there's all this i call it regulatory dark matter. it's the stock, the bulletins, the notices, the memorandum. always agencies are manipulating and telling companies what they need to do and working beyond the normal lawmaking process. heather: critics of the regulatory burden are

pointing the capital at capitol hill. they say lawmakers are happy to talk about the loss they fought to pass but then they pass the burden of defining exactly how they are going to work on unelected government employees and often complain about what those guys wind up issuing. in 2015 for instance, congress passed 114 laws. at the same time government agencies issued 3410 rules and regulations, nearly 30 times the number of laws that actually got through congress . by law the administration is supposed to do a cost-benefit analysis on any relic regulation expected to have an impact of more than $100 million but they rarely do and there's no penalty for them not doing it. jon: why am i not surprised. shannon breen in washington. thanks for keeping us updated. heather: those unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats, they are busy doing a whole lot of work. with senator cruz out of the race, donald trump shifting his focus to hillary clinton.

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jon: fox news alert. more movement of course in the republican race for president. fox news has learned this man, ohio governor tran six has decided to cancel an event scheduled for 10:45 this morning. dulles airport in washington. his campaign says he will address the media with a statement back home in ohio. 5 pm from columbus. you can read the tea leaves if you like but after ted cruz bailed out of the race for president after vowing to soldier on all the way to california, john kasich is campaigning or canceling a campaign event and making an announcement this evening. we will see what the governor morning, busy newsday. a quick look at what's to come on happening now. defense attorney asked carter offering new details about our navy seal killed in iraq and also a grim assessment of americanstrategy against isis .

i'll talk with her about her take. and an out-of-control wildfire forcing the evacuation of an entire city. one officials are doing to be back those flames plus the shocking new study on healthcare in the united states. why serious medical errors are a lot more deadly than you might think. foxbusiness alerts, stocks react to brand-new jobs numbers. right now the dow is down 104 points. lauren with the foxbusiness network alive with the story. what's going on? we have a little bit of a selloff going on now. stocks falling to three week low. investigators worried about growth and job market new surveys as private companies added 56,000 jobs last month, that's the fewest in three years and some of those workers are left productive. a new report says worker productivity fell 1 percent in the first quarter, that's

sad because you want workers revving up the economy. if you look at the service side of things, that is doing better. an index measuring that rose to the highest level of the year. food, healthcare, real estate are some of the sectors that are growing so it's not all bad news to have to bring you this story as well. erica stole finally chapter 11 bankruptcy. the retailer is following american apparel, all of them finally chapter 11 last year. eric purcell closing more than 100 us stores despite the tough market and rising competition from those retailers , fashion retailers like h&m and forever 21. they hope to get out of bankruptcy in six months so we will see but tough environment for them . heather: lauren simonetti, thank you. jon: donald trump shifting his focus to the general election campaign and to his strategy for taking on runner hillary clinton. she is expected to be a fire different adversary than candidates he defeated in the republican primary. joining us now, johnna caldwell, principal and folder of caldwell consulting and former gop county

director of african-american outreach in illinois. richard fowler is also with us, democratic ready just and radio talkshow host. richard, to you. from the democratic side, are you worried? donald trump is a formidable candidate. we will see him throw as much mud as he can on hillary clinton but at the end of the day this is going to come down to turn out. this is what the election is about four democrats. can you turn out african-americans, hispanics and can you convince youth voters to join the team and vote for hillary clinton? jon: based on turnout so far with you richard for now, republican turnout has been stronger in the primary season and democratic turnout that is very true but the reason why the republican turnout been so high during this primary season is we had 17 candidates. you have a lot of energy, a lot of excitement. you had these cafeteria food fight debates whereas on the democratic side we had a conversation about ideals and now what's going to happen as

we go to philadelphia is you are going to see hillary clinton begin to push out those ideals and those ideals are what will push the polls in november. jon: point to a poll that's a couple of days old, and orc poll asked if the election were held today who would you vote for? hillary clinton or donald trump? clinton watson 54 to 41 percent. can you turn those numbers around? >> absolutely and that was a poll released last week showing if the election was held today he would be meeting hillary clinton by two percent. this is what it comes down to. trusted leaders in the republican party, conservative media movement and the tea party have coalesced against donald trump. millions of dollars were spent in ads leading to about 60,000 and against donald trump and guess what? none of it worked. laura clinton has a playbook for a traditional republican

conservative and tea party but she does not have one to defeat donald trump. donald trump is bringing up issues that are not traditional republican issues. he says things like planned parenthood is a good organization. he's talking about trade. these are issues that republican candidates have not talkedabout a long time leading to crossover support from democrats and independents so i think he's going to have a fair chance to eternal old numbers around and bring it to crossover voters which the republican party has not seen in years . jon: the worst numbers i've seen for donald trump are among women at large. how does he turn those numbers around? >> i sure as you are reading those numbers that were bad for him he saw the numbers that were bad for hillary. she's losing when it comes to women, women don't trust her and i think social media article recently suggested women are on following her on social media more than any group so i think it's problematic on both times but i think donald trump, one who has said we are going to do a great job for women and you can point to the success of his company. he has a lot of women in executive roles and you can talk about those policies that will be beneficial to women in his campaign. this is going to come sooner

than we thought when he said we are going to have a country where people love each other and there's going to be a new wave so his tone is becoming a lot more presidential . jon: go ahead richard. >> i agree with what a lot of what you say. donald trump is a new candidate but that part of the problem. this is going to be an election like we've never seen before and the fact that you have built on twitter last night burning their republican cards, changing their party registration saying not only not trump, never trump. they will never vote for him. on republican operative tweeted out last night, i'm with her. the party is in total bedlam and it's going to be the biggest front problem for donald trump. he is the head of the republican party and 50 percent of his party does not like him . that's problem number one. problem number two is his negative are through the roof. i don't think you can. when you make such disparaging comments about women for the past eight months. the wrong, i think donald

trump is a master manipulator. he knows how to use language to his benefit but this will be an uphill battle for trump in november. jon: but talk about bedlam, you've got the democratic race where your presumptive nominee just got thumped by a democratic socialist in the state of indiana. >> here's the thing, this is what bernie sanders was trying to do. bernie sanders will pull this party to the left and pull hillary clinton to the left. i guarantee you probably he will not be the nominee and he will get his hour in philadelphia and following that he will be a power player in washington. he will also be the chair of the budget committee. you have a lot of power in determining what the democratic senate budget committee looks like going into the new congress but i think bernie sanders . >> that's if the democrats winthe senate. >> the democrats will win the senate area . >> richard, what are you reading? absolutely not. jon: we are playing a predictions game here. >> in richards analysis, it's

fairly problematic. you continue to mention the negatives donald trump has but you refuse to admit the negatives hillary clinton has. her negatives are, come on now. i have been sent over and over again that hillary clinton has huge problems. i lost wrote a piece last week indicating hillary needs to work on young voters. they're going to have to do a lot of work to get to them. our candidates not perfect, people have work to do but donald trump has a lot more work to do which makes his campaign problematic area. >> come on richard. it would be different if bernie sanders was a nominee. you would have a leg to stand onbecause bernie sanders has high integrity numbers and he's generally somebody people like. however , [overlapping conversation] >> that's the reality. as a lot of republicans weeks ago were talking about never trump. he's not going to do it. jon: g otto have the floor. >> thank you john. richard, what is going to

happen now and i think this is the point. we saw reince priebus sending out to sing trump is the presumptive nominee. were going to see john kasich dropout at 5:00 today, that's likely. what we are going to see is the republicans on the never trump training will realize, they will say oh my god. what i rather have somebody like donald trump who has created jobs, women in executive positions, poking in simple english in terms of protecting our country from isis in anynumber of issues or what i rather have somebody who , we can't figure out what her position is. as bernie pointed out, she changes her position six times in a minute. let's think about what she did in march. she said were going to put the coal miners out of business. jon: next time you are in new york we're going to have to sit down and hash this out over lunch and have you back on. >> i'll be there, let's do it. jon: thank you both. heather: john scott, use

showed us how you broke up fights, you did a great job. i'm taking notes. jon: i use my dad voice once in a while. heather: voice, settle down. a massive wildfire doubling in size overnight forcing the evacuation of an entire city. an update on this fire that destroyed homes and forcing tens of thousands of people to flee. plus defense secretary ash carter giving more details about our navy seal who was killed isis in iraq and this sober assessment of our strategy against the terror group. >> we gathered momentum since our ministerial inbrussels , the fight is far from over. >> looking for balance in your digestive system?

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jon: new information on reading wildfire in alberta canada forcing the evacuation of the entire city of fort mcmurray.

officials say about 44,000 people had to leave their homes. the fire in the heart of canada's oil sands region is about 65 acres now and growing. nine air tankers and more than a dozen helicopters deployed, about 150 firefighters also battling the flames. good news, no reports of any injuries far. we will keep an eye on this developing and frightening story. heather: new information on the war against isis. defensesecretary ash carter in germany offering this stark assessment during a meeting with his counterparts from 11 other nations . listen to this. >> now, this fight is far from over. and there are great risks. we were reminded of this yesterday when an american servicemember, petty officer first class charles keating, navy seal, was killed while providing advice and assistance for the peshmerga forces north of mosul. heather: national security analyst and forward to assistant secretary of defense in the reagan administration . we are both navy family.

you and i are. this is not an advisory, it's supposed to be an advisory role, we are talking, now. >> here's why this is so upsetting. this man was supposed to get married in november. his family is now planning not a wedding but a funeral. why question mark because president obama is sending in forces, not enough to make a difference but to buy time to read 250, 300, how many is not enough to do the job and it's not a big enough job to do in the sense that we are sending them a jury forces but not looking at the other part area. heather: as excellent as these guys are you can't take on those sheer numbers of isis fighters so why is president obama and hang them up to fail in your words question mark. >> he issetting them up to fail because they're not there to win. the president wants to buy time . until the government collapses comments on the verge of collapse now. they are not fighting for the iraqi government.

the kurds and the sunnis, they're not going to fight for an iranian dominated shiite government so what are we doing? were trying to buy time. the president is trying to kick this problem down the road. the next president can deal with it and that is the most cynical use of armed forces a commander-in-chief can do. heather: mutombo outsider who was a shiite cleric and somebody who ran a militia in iraq, he was responsible for the deaths of many americans years ago. this man now making a comeback, we saw that protest in parliament. where you see things going with him? >> when you were in iraq and saw al-sadr and the militias, they are back again. they're going to be running iraq. iraq will eventually in the not-too-distant future, the iraqi government will collapse and the shiites will be back in the rains will be back in the united states will be no closer to defeating radical islam and isis than we were 10 years ago. heather: that the name our viewers need to know. while i was there i spent time in an orphanage going into little boys rooms and

they had posters of al-sadr on the walls. this was seven, eight years ago. that man is making a comeback and could be dangerous for the future of the country. >> the people in that orphanage are probably the ones fighting. the new president need to have a comprehensive strategy todefeat radical islam and all is form the same way you we defeated the nazis during world war ii and the comics during the cold war. it has an economic component, military components, the social media components . heather: we have the kurds, we are arming them right? >> that's correct. if you talk kurds that are there they say the weapons that are being sent to the iraq government and the government is supposed to happen on but they are not doing that. the forces we had in the region which is supposed to be advising our with the kurds. the kurds are the only one willing to stand up to isis but they can't do it alone. they certainly can't do it alone without the kind of

equipment they need. they are ready to fight. they're the only ones ready to fight and they even have women brigades fighting isis. heather: what about our so-called allies. >> mark. >> they are not standing up to the fight. a large part because we insist on them reporting to the iraqi shiite government under iran and the sunnis in theregion and others say we don't want to report to them. were not going to fight sunnis on behalf of shiites . here's the problem, it's a tribal area and we switched sides so many times in the middle east their heads are spinning. heather: you know what they need to do? go back and watch lawrence of arabia. stop fighting with each other over everything. always great to see you and we are so heartbroken for that needy family of that young man. >> god bless them all. heather: what an incredible future he had ahead of him. thank you. john? sure. a report about the top cause of death right here in the united states. it's not from any disease. wait till you hear this.

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jon: let's check out what's ahead on outnumbered at the top of the hour. center and harris, what do you have? now that had cruises out donald trump is the presumptive nominee. can the party unite behind him? and what about the never trump people?what will they be doing? plus bernie sanders mouse to go all the way to the convention after his stunning upset win in indiana is he hurting hillary clinton at the democratic party? and in one town if your kid leaves another kid you, the parents, get a fine.is that going to work or does it give the bullies an easy way out? we discuss all that plus or hashtag one lucky guy. outnumbered at the top of the hours you want see you then.

patient getting the wrong medicine. a surgeon operating on the wrong body part. medical mistakes are more common than you think and according to a new study johns hopkins researchers, those mistakes are now the third leading cause of death in the us. doctor marty mcgarry is a physician at johns hopkins, co-author of that study. and author of unaccountable, a book about position led efforts to increase transparency and improve healthcare quality overall. doctor mcsherry, these are stunning numbers. the third leading cause of death in the us? >> john, the medical profession has matured in the scientific study of patients to recognize people don't just die from bacteria and cancer, they also die from medical care having gone wrong. in this study we looked at all the existing best data and extrapolated those numbers nationally and it was clear that the point estimate is well above what the government is currently recording in our national health statistics as the number three cause of death,

making medical error in all of its forms the number three cause of death in the united states. jon: you have an argument with sensors from disease control and how they tabulate some of these numbers. >> well, visit historic system we've learned back in 1949 where the only tabulate causes of death with billing codes. people don't just die from billing codes, people die from fragmented care and overdoses and other problems with medical mistakes and if you look at the totality of the burden of these problems, it's well-established in science literature no one's really placed the context in public health to say hey, we should start measuring this and look how big the burden is on public health. jon: we do those in stories from time to time that seems so outrageous, the young girl goes in for a tonsillectomy and dies on the operating table, that kind of thing. but you are saying those stories are far from an aberration. they really are more common

than most of us would believe. >> fragmented care, preventable complications, diagnostic errors , these are all things that harm patients and good solutions are out there. many of us in the field of it apply for research grants and there told there's no funding. it's not recognized as a priority. there are innovations that eliminate leaving sunday sponges behind for example the adoption remains variable as we try to get good science behind safety like the science we have behind heart disease and cancer. we spent a lot of money on heart disease and cancer. number one and twocauses of death . it's time to start recognizing the third leading cause of death in the united states, medical care gone all right be on what you say to patients who might hear this news and say okay, i'm staying out of the hospital or out of my doctors office. what are people supposed to do? >> doctors are frustrated also. we're working on a method system and we are human and

what we've noticed is the patients that get the best care gone are those that are highly informed. get second opinions. ask about treatment alternatives and come in with a loved one or family member, either to the doctor's visit in or in their hospital room to be a safety net to make sure everything's going smoothly and is well coordinated. be what the author of unaccountable and lead researcher on that study, martin mccarrick. thank you. >> thanks john. heather: new in next hour of happening now, us service member and resident in one community coming together to save a mother. watch this. and her three kids from a raging fire. we got the heroic details ahead.plus the new twist in the grim sleeper murder trial. why prosecutors say the defendant may not have been the one who committed those crimes. we will be right back. ♪ ♪

♪ (vo) making the most out of every mile. that's why i got a subaru impreza. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. . jon: we are going to be back here in an hour with more interesting stuff about the political situation.

heather: john kasich speaking later today, we will see what that's all about. jon: we hope you will join us then. outnumbered starts right now. >> this is outnumbered, i'm sandra smith here today. harris faulkner, cohost of after the bell on foxbusiness , melissa francis, syndicated radio talkshow host and fox news contributor. account timer, leslie marshall joins us today. it's good to have you. and today hashtag, one lucky guy.fox news contributor iraq and afghanistan veteran and author pete hence it this year. his new book in fear enough. for sale now by the way. he, welcome back and of course, you know the drill on this count. you areoutnumbered when you are in this video . >> it's always fun to see you lovely ladies and smart as all get out look at you with your talk. >> well done.