have a great mother's day, everybody. i'll see you tomorrow. join me tomorrow with donald trump live tomorrow morning at 7:30 a.m. morning eastern on the fox business network for that interview. "media buzz" begins now. on the buzz beat this sunday, donald trump defies the media skeptics, essentially clinching the gop nomination as ted cruz and john kasich drop out and the pundits face a very different republican reality. >> as of tonight with ted cruz getting out of this race, bill, donald trump will be the gop nominee. barring something cataclysmic. the numbers are just there. >> how great that it would end on a tabloid cover that donald trump is going to win the nomination of the republican party. >> you also sent a plity note to our producers last night, it was only four words, i want to die. >> can you expound on that at all this morning?

>> this is a cat clis m and the republican party today is like rome on the morning after the night when the barbarians came through the gate, right? >> what's the impact of many conservative commentators saying they're still in the never, never, never ever trump camp? with some republicans from paul ryan to the bush family balking at trump's nomination should the press be portraying this as a political earthquake. >> as hillary clinton ratchets up her criticism of trump he hits her with this. >> have you ever read what oklahoma did to the with em that bill clinton had affairs with? and they're going after me with women? give me a break, folks. >> but hasn't trump been saying in interviews that he wouldn't go there unless he was provoked? our all-star line up includes cbs's lesley stahl and fox's trish regan. i'm howard kurtz and this is "media buzz."

it was over in a flash, one minute the press was obsessing on whether donald trump could somehow win 1,237 delegates but after a smashing victory in indiana ted cruz abruptly dropped out of the race and the journalists and pundits who had scoffed at trump's chances now had to acknowledge he had done what they had once called nearly impossible. >> i didn't think -- not only did i not think he would win, i didn't think he was really running for president. i thought he was trying to drum up some kind of publicity for himself. >> i remember sitting in this very building on the day that donald trump announced and i said, well, you know, it's a fringe situation and these people -- it's not going to happen. that core group of a third of the republican party proved to be enough, it was enough so that donald trump could prevail in the end. he could outlast the world. >> trump became the de facto nominee when john kasich dropped out the next day, some republicans still denouncing him such as george will and trump

not surprisingly was quick to hit back. >> what do you say about george will, he wrote a column that it's a serconservative's duty t make sure you lose all 50 states. >> george is a loser, not many people watch him, not many people listen to him, it's over for him. i never want his support. >> joining us to analyze the coverage, heidi przybyla, senior political correspondent for "usa today," gayle trotter, a commentator to writes for the daily caller and the hill and simon rosenberg president of the new democratic network. heidi, as these journalists and pundits who said trump's nomination wouldn't happen now they're telling us he faces incredibly long odds in the fall. don't the media face a credibility gap? >> in short, yes. if you remember when he started out we were comparing him to herman cain, huffington post said they were only going to cover him in the entertainment section of the newspaper. i think, you know, it wasn't just at the beginning, either,

it was all throughout this process. the writing was on the wall after he swept all of those southern states. there is a couple things that went wrong here. >> you're saying the denial continues? >> it's not just the media denial but the polling was all over the place. i think fundamentally we have shifted away from as well the more shoe leather reporting that i think is so valuable and could have been so valuable in this election and it just didn't get done. secondly the obsession with these score boards and counting up the points and calculating everything. >> the scenarios. >> and the scenarios. >> this happened and that happened. >> i hope we will learn from that, i really do and from here on out as we go forward we will do that shoe leather reporting and actually compare their plans versus just the tit for tat. >> gayle, what's unprecedented here, george will, rich lowery, bill crystal and steve hayes still staunchly opposing the republican nominee. how much does that matter? >> it helps donald trump because

it confirms his narrative. his rejection, his disavowal, you know, we had this discussion about him disavowing david duke and it wasn't strong enough, but now he's disavowing these republicans who are part of the conservative establishment and that merely helps his narrative. and that's where i think cruz had a stumbling block because he took on jeb bush's endorsement, donald trump is doing just the opposite. he's saying jeb bush refuses to support me despite the pledge. i don't need him. >> i'm glad you mentioned the pledge because nobody in the media is hardly mentioning the fact that jeb bush and lindsey graham did sign that pledge which didn't mean anything. >> right. >> liberal commentators are ratcheting up against trump, that's a little less surprising than people on the right going after him. do they underestimate him? you talked about this in the primaries. >> on this show we discussed this in the first few weeks that trump was -- got into the race that even the republicans were underestimating him. so, look, both bernie sanders

and donald trump were heavily underestimated by the media this cycle. sanders came very close to winning the democratic nomination, got very little press coverage, was never taken serious on our side. i think it's been hard to cover this election. i think as you pointed out people haven't been reporting from the ground. the country is changing, there's something in the air this cycle that the national media has been very slow to catch up. >> you mentioned issues, heidi. on the question of raising taxes on the rich and possibly being open to a minimum wage increase trump's position is evolving. chuck todd and george stephanopoulos this morning pressed trump on this. how is the press grappling with a republican party headed by a guy who is a nominee unlike anyone we have ever seen in modern political history. >> i think they're doing a great job using words like major division, split, meltdown, because this is not merely a family dinner table dispute, this is potentially a bitter

divorce where you have the grass roots heart of the republican party splitting away and now potentially in the position of being themselves the third party candidate versus donald trump who has got kind of the soul of what may be the new grass roots of a new party. >> these are the right words, gayle, "politico" calling it a meltdown, incredible division, revolt, "washington post" crisis, possible civil war. trump's campaign i can tell you views this as a healing process not a civil war, is confident that paul ryan will come around, they're meeting in washington this week. do you think some of the words and phrases and headlines that the mainstream media are using kind of overdram advertise the situation. >> one of the phrases that i liked was that trump orchestrated a takeover of the gop and i thought that's reflective, but it shows cruz's support, too, because he was part of that process with the effort to oppose obamacare even to the point of the shutdown. >> running against what he

called the washington cartel. >> the washington cartel. it shows that that message resonated with the grass roots, with american voters. i think that people like hearing those very strong discussions of this divorce or family dispute because it shows that the american voters were very unhappy with the leadership in congress. so i don't think -- >> you don't have any quarrel with these fiery adjectives. >> no. >> simon, trump ran against the gop establishment, the process was rigged and so forth, he also ran against the media establishment by the way. so the gop establishment doesn't love him. should that come as a shock to political reporters? >> no. i do think the words you used, healing, is going to be fascinating to watch here. >> the trump view. >> yeah, and how -- you know, how this is all going to happen. it's going to test donald trump's capacity, right, as a politician to bring people along, not been his strong suit, right? so i think this process of what happens to the republican party, it is a big story. we've never seen anything like

this in our lifetimes. so i think this is going to be with us for some time now. >> the republican analysis so far has been this is happening, donald trump is happening because we failed to get our agenda done. the bigger question that i think they really have to do some inter specs on, is it because they couldn't get their agenda done or sts because the american voters didn't agree with that agenda as well. this is that ain't po they have not yet reconciled. >> do you think that question is being properly pursued by the press or are we more into the personalities, paul ryan dissed him? >> i don't think we're there yet howie. i think you are going to see the down ballot affect as well lawmakers in congress, how are they going to decide to run their election campaigns. >> do you think the press is asking the right question or is covering this more as a school yard brawl? >> i think that they could do a much better job of drilling down on those specific divides and holding some of these lawmakers to account for the votes that

they've taken that we've seen in polling for years now was against what a lot of the public believed was right. >> all right. so donald trump having essentially clinched this nomination obviously turning his attention to hillary clinton and he used some pretty inn send rear rhetoric, particularly at a rally on friday in eugene, oregon. listen. >> she was a total enabler, she would go after these women and destroy their lives. she was an unbelievably nasty, mean, enabler and what she did to a lot of those women is disgraceful. >> now, if trump wants to call hillary an enabler, fine, maybe she knew, maybe she didn't know, but i don't know of any evidence that she personally wasn't after any of her husband's paramours and trump is just saying this is true. >> howie, this is one of those accusations that's been out there for decades and, no, i haven't seen any evidence of it and ken star spent many millions of dollars investigating a lot of these things.

so i think, however, this shows that donald trump went there this early in the cycle, that this is going to be something that we've got to get to the bottom of. okay? let's find out what the facts are, let's put them out there. >> how much people will care about the sex scandals of the '90s is another question. everything is fair game in a campaign, simon, but will the media hold trump accountable for saying he wasn't going to do it now he's doing it? he can say, look, hillary is out there saying he doesn't think much of equal pay for women because he doesn't think much of women. >> he has attacked the media more aggressively than any candidate in the modern era and gotten on tv and more coverage than any candidate in the modern era. he is doing a phenomenal job at playing one. one of the challenges the media will have is he's going to put a lot of stuff on the table outside the bounds of normal discourse. i think the media is going to struggle how to cover stories like that and accusations like that. >> let me get gayle in on this. >> one journalist tweeted on

tuesday night that champagne corks were popping in news rooms all over america. i think this gets to the point both of you are making because of statements like that that donald trump makes that they don't have to big into the policy minutia, they can just report on that, they can report on these extreme things that he says time and time again. he doesn't need to do that, though, he has a strong policy that has resonated with the american people and yet he continues to make these comments. >> i know hillary told a friend privately this came out years later that she thought monica lewinsky was a narcissistic clooney tune. people around her may have gone after the women. quick answer, trump's taco tweet, he puts up this tweet eating a taco bowl for cinco de mayo. big story? media flogd this one. >> they had to. it's funny. come on, after his whole campaign has been built around anti-immigration rhetoric -- >> anti-illegal immigration rhetoric. >> whatever.

but it was funny. >> it was amusing because there is no such thing as a taco bowl. >> right. >> it's -- and it showed how much he actually didn't understand -- >> don't muddy the waters with your enabling detail. >> when we come back some journalists say tv news is to blame for trump's nomination by rolling over on the guy. and later the obama aid who brags about turning the press into a white house echo chamber.

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the cover of "politico" magazine shows donald trump facing a need i can't mob with the head line, what have we done? as if the whole thing is our fault. joining me from new york is trish regan who hosts the intel report on the fox business network. hey, trish. >> hey, howie. >> this is an argument being pushed among others by former cnn anchor campbell brown no fan of trump says tv news is to blame for trump's nomination and basically rolled over for the guy. your thoughts? >> i don't think anyone rolled over for the guy. i would make the point that a lot of members of the media have been extraordinarily critical of him, he has gotten it from both sides. that said, yeah, the media has covered him a lot. a lot because he's been making news. there are some organizations, for example, the huffington post, that early came out and said we're not going to cover trump because that's entertainment, we don't consider it politics, we're putting it in

the entertainment section of our website and they clearly learned within a few weeks that that strategy was a failed one. the reality is, howie, we cover the news every day, donald trump, like it or not, is making news. >> and of course doing many, many interviews on many, many channels, talks to newspapers. so jeb bush, for instance, was the media's appointed front runner at the beginning. how many tv interviews did he do? >> you know, that's a great example because i was calling him to get him on my program and he finally came on, but it was extraordinarily challenging. donald trump, on the other hand, as you know, howie, is much more accessible to the media. and so when you look and compare and contrast the number of interviews that some of these other candidates did, the challenge is getting them on the air with what trump was doing it was a very different strategy. again, i think the frustration was in part as a member of the media you would see some of these candidates buy this air time, so they would have a 30 second commercial in the middle

of your show, but god forbid they actually come on and answer some questions. >> exactly. >> they didn't like that sort of balance of power that they lost, they preferred their bought air time. trump would go on and answer a lot of questions for the media, sometimes it got him in some hot water but he seemed to be of the mindset that any news was good news in terms of getting his name and brand out. >> the critics do have a point, many trump rallies were covered live, particularly on other news networks and the shows that let him call in when other people didn't have that privilege, that did give him an advantage and a lot was driven by ratings. i'm glad you mentioned the negative aspect of the coverage, he was getting it from mainstream pundits, he was getting it from conservatives and liberals and being attacked as race iks, sexist, zeen phobic, misogynous but it didn't seem to hurt him all of those media attacks. why is it? >> it's amazing that mean noni

think because many americans see the media as part of the problem. >> bingo. >> here was trump getting attacked by both the establishment and the media and they said to themselves, okay, he is my guy. he's not getting along with any of these people that i don't like, so, therefore, i think it helped him. >> last question, there is this argument that news organizations could have been more aggressive in digging into his business background, his proposals, his hiz statements, his contradictions. there was a lot of that, we could always do a better job. and again it seemed to roll off him, or do you think that we could have done a much better job in investigating trump? >> i think stuff rolls off him. i think people are responding to what they perceive as an a authentici authenticity. bernie sanders the success he has had thus far that is simply a product of people responding to authenticity. they like who he is.

that's the same thing donald trump has going for him. so it's almost as though whatever happens he's like teflon, it just rolls off. >> right. >> people aren't willing to hear it because they're saying to themselves, i like the guy. do you know what, politics is a lot about how much you like a candidate. >> that is true. >> that is in part what makes a good candidate. >> teflon, most politicians which they have that. great to see you this morning. ahead, why are so many conservative pundits still in the never trump camp? we will ask steve hayes. first hollywood director rob rhiner goes off on the press over donald trump and makes an incendiary charge. i use what's already inside me to reach my goals. so i liked when my doctor told me i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals by activating what's within me. with once-weekly trulicity. trulicity is not insulin.

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things got really nasty in the final days between donald trump and ted cruz with the senator calling him a serial gland err remember and the billionaire citing a national inquirer story linking his father to lee harvey oswald, cruz also ratcheted up his rhetoric against the media. >> there is a broader dynamic at work which is network executives that made a decision to get behind donald trump. rupert murdoch and roger ailes at fox news have turned fox news into the donald trump network. 24/7. >> cruz had been making this charles about tv news in general and brought in fox just before the indiana primary. what do you make of what he said? >> ted cruz's very first fundraising e-mail went against the liberal media and that was a tactic for him from beginning to end. i see this as a book end. to the substance of it, i mean, it's a little crazy considering you just have to read megyn

kelly's twitter feed to know this is not the pro trump network. there are some trump friendly anchors on this network, no doubt about it, but at the end of the day this is not trump news network. >> there is a lot of trump critics on this network. >> that's right. >> megyn kelly and donald trump have made peace. the coverage of cruz in the final ten days i would say, gayle, was very rough, he was called desperate, even in news stories, real gland err remember stuff, but he was losing. do you think it was fair or unfair the way he was portrayed at the end? >> unfair. it's like the michael due kak can i say line in that saturday night skit where he said i'm losing to this guy? i think when you saw cruz erupt with these fabulous things that he said it was out of a sense of frustration. he embodies the conservative movement, the pro ex-it of the constitution, and yet even media that is seen as being friendly

towards preserving the constitution and standing against some of the illegal actions that obama has taken, for cruz to be portrayed that way in all of these media outlets was trust rating to him. >> it was donald trump who called him unhinged and the media reported on that. >> let me give you an example. when cruz pulled out you take "the new york times" stories, "the new york times" story about cruz withdrawing was very, very negative. it said he spoke in apocalyptic terms and it had negative word after negative word, same with the description of kasich, "the new york times" talked about kasich's moderate views and soothing message. you saw this over and over again because they thought ted cruz should be one of them, he had gone to princeton, harvard, so it was upsetting to the mainstream media that he was not one of them. >> there's no doubt that there's many people in the media who maybe didn't like ted cruz but ted cruz's biggest problem was

with the other republicans and the media is reporting on what those republicans are saying. >> i will just add this, ted cruz was losing, on the verge of getting out the race and the media do have a bias against losing candidates. let me come back briefly, simon, to this question of this national enquirer story which had a photo which supposedly showed rafael cruz with lee harvey oswald. trump says, hey, i was just citing is published report, rafael cruz called this ludicrous, ted cruz said it's nuts. did the media held trump accountable. >> did they? no. i think there is an entertainment factor to trump. he has acknowledged this publicly. this is part of his appeal. for most americans politics is boring and he's interesting. so i think everyone is a little bit caught up, including the media, in trying to make this a little more interesting to people. look, he has made it clear that he's going to open the foundries up of what's normal in political

discourse, he's going to challenge the media on where they draw the lines on this stuff. >> let me turn to hillary clinton. she looks forwards the fall campaign. bernie sanders hasn't given up and still hanging around. here she is with cnn's anderson cooper, the question was about donald trump. >> he does run a different kind of campaign than anyone else certainly on the gop side, makes himself more available to reporters, i mean, is that something you are going to start doing more of? >> look, he did it and it worked for him and i think reporters now have a chance to ask some tougher questions. the man is a presumptive nominee and, you know, being a loose cannon doesn't in any way protect him, i hope, from being asked the hard questions that he should have been asked during the whole primary process. >> did hillary clinton duck the question about whether she's going to do more interviews? >> totally. look, i think the one good thing that can come out of this in terms of the media's relationship with our elected leaders is that since the bush white house things have gotten worse and worse in terms of

access for the official media who are with the candidates day in and day out and hopefully trump's accessibility will start to change some of that because it's only gotten worse from what i understand from my colleagues who cover the obama administration. >> what was your reaction to the way hillary handled that question? >> it was a dodge and she's famous for dodging. you look at the number of times donald trump has been on the sunday shows or the cable news shows during the week and he's about six times what she's doing. now that they're going one-on-one she's got to up her game, she's got to step into the arena. >> or she may have a different strategy, simon, and not want to be on the news quite so constantly. her interviews don't tend to make as much news as his do. >> look, she's done a lot of interviews, the people who are covering her day to day are not getting as much access, but anderson cooper -- >> people covering her day to day are hardly getting any access. >> she's still out in the media doing interviews, she doesn't make as much news, there's not as much follow on as there is

with trump. every time trump speaks there's a million tweets and another network and she is more even keeled on this stuff. i think the campaign is going to have to make a big decision about whether they feel this is a problem or an asset and i think it will be interesting to watch. >> on that point, simon rosenberg, gayle trotter, heidi przybyla good to see you guys this sunday. i asked lesley stahl on whether the media is applying the same standards to donald trump and hillary clinton. many are doubling down on their opposition to trump, doesn't that help hillary? hear! no one burns on my watch! try alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews.

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some conservative commentators aren't exactly falling in line behind donald trump. msnbc's joe scarborough may have talked up trump's chances of winning the primaries but now he says this. >> i can tell you i'm never going to vote for a guy that is saying he's going to ban somebody just because of the god the worship. >> that's a reference to trump wanting a tremp rear ban on muslim immigrants. steven hayes a fox news contributor and senior writer he at the weekly standard just

wrote a piece titled no trump. we sat down in studio 1. >> welcome. >> as an outspoken trump critics are you now in the uncomfortable position that trump is going to be the nominee of what's always been the conservative party? >> well, yeah, i've made arguments against donald trump for several months now. you don't like to lose arguments, on the other hand, i think it's important as a journalist somebody who has dedicated my career to try to tell the truth to keep telling those truths whether they're uncomfortable for me or not. >> trump has never tried to be the candidate of the weekly standard or national review and yet he out and sold his vision to 10 million republican voters in all kinds of states. could it be he is more in touch with what those republican voters want than you are? >> certainly those republican voters who voted for him. he didn't win a majority of reap voters. >> 17 people in the field to begin with. >> no question, that's both a blessing and curse for him. i think it's one of the reasons that he won but he doesn't have quite the mandate that he otherwise would have had had he won that majority.

>> is your opposition more ideological or more about trump's personal style? >> you know, that's a good question. i think it's a mixture for me personally it's a mixture. i don't believe he's philosophically conservative, he's been basically a progressive for most of his life, he doesn't from one day or not next know what his positions on issues are. late last week he was doubting his own tax plan, he's been on both sides of minimum wage, on both sides of ground troops against isis, on both sides of single payer, on both sides of the healthcare mandate. on and on and on. look, i think it's important to have somebody as a conservative who shares conservative principles if he's going to lead the conservative party. >> on the issues where you say he has evolved you are kept al of his conversion. >> sometimes his conversions literally don't last a day. he said during a gate that he was in favor of the obamacare mandate and literally said the next day that he opposed it, i think because somebody got to

him. on the personal side i have personal objections. i'm far from perfect, i don't hold a presidential candidate or politician out to that standard, i would be awfully disappointed all the time if i did. but there are certain standards, i think that trump whether you're talking about his comments about women, whether you're talking about, you know, making fun of pows, the would be commander in chief -- >> we know the history. steve, how do you grapple with the fact that by continuing to oppose trump you are making it that much more likely that hillary clinton will be the next president? >> i just don't buy the binary choice there. >> okay. with a republican nominee and democratic nominee, unless there is a third party candidate by bill crystal favors it is a binary choice. >> i think it's possible there could be a third party candidate. you have had senator ben sasse from nebraska urging a third party candidate to run. >> let's say that doesn't materialize.

>> if it doesn't happen -- >> you are no trump. >> there is not mandatory voting in the united states, i'm never hillary, i'm never trump but it's not the case, knowledge clee it doesn't make sense. newt gingrich have been making this argument if you are not for trump you are functionally for hillary clinton. if it makes newt gingrich feel better i will say i'm not for hillary so i'm then functionally for donald trump. >> so you're abstaining. >> i will vote. i will vote down ballot, i will make vote in, vote third party, vote libertarian. >> i voted libertarian in 1996 when bob dole was too establishment for me. >> brief answer, are you feeling a backlash from trump fans? >> i mean, to put it mildly, yeah, i mean, if you go on twitter your mentions are basically unusable, which is too bad. i liked to go to my twitter mentions because sometimes people would give you things to check out as a reporter, to follow up or a news tip or whatever. >> now you are avoiding it. >> there's no point. we've heard about this, the

abuse is over the top and silly. >> to be continued. steve hayes, thanks for joining us. after the break, how much bias is there in the mainstream media's reporting on hillary clinton and donald trump and why so little coverage on "60 minutes"? cbs veteran lesley stahl is up next. hey! this is lloyd. to prove to you that the better choice for him is aleve. he's agreed to give it up. ok, but i have 30 acres to cover by sundown. we'll be with him all day as he

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how are the mainstream media covering a campaign that's now headed for a trump/clinton show down? i sat down in new york with lesley stahl the veteran 60 minutes correspondent and author of a new book lesley stahl, welcome. >> thank you. >> now that donald trump will be the republican nominee there is an indictment that the media are to blame for this, that the tv coverage hasn't been aggressive

enough. do you buy that? >> it's been aggressive, but he has been incredibly wiley, flipping, sliding away from tough questions and, you know, you can follow up only so many times. >> right. but he does expose himself to questions. >> he does. >> he does so many interviews. >> there have been a lot of tough questions and maybe a good follow-up but then you get -- i've been in this position, you get to the point where you're almost badgering someone when they don't answer and i think the audience does understand when they are not answering a question. >> right. that's always a fine line for an interviewer. >> exactly. >> you don't want to let the politician off the hook but don't want to seem prosecutorial. >> that's right, then you become the story. >> and that has happened and trump makes it happen because if he doesn't like the interview he will go on twitter and blast whoever he is unhappy with. >> here we are at fox, obviously. no, but i do think that it's been a little bit of an unfair accusation that the press hasn't pursued.

what's really astonishing is that the press has and every time he hasn't told the truth he's been called out, but the interesting thing is the public doesn't care and they used to with other politicians, but they don't care with him. >> many people think the media love hillary clinton but she's had her own history of testy relations with journalists. why is that? >> who says the media loves hillary? >> a lot of people out there who think the liberal press wants hillary clinton to win. >> yeah, i've heard that, but i don't think -- i've never bought that, you know. having covered the white house through democrat jimmy carter and reagan following, i mean, reagan got a much softer, easier press than jimmy carter did, so, i mean, when people look behind what they are saying and feeling, they will see that the evidence isn't there. i think that the press is much more biased against power, real power than, you know, against

one party or the next. >> okay. i know trump was on "60 minutes" last fall but the program hasn't done that much on what has been the wildest campaign in modern history. >> well, it's been covered. >> it's not as if we're going to get a fresh bite at it. i think we're going to do some stuff now starting in the fall. >> do you miss covering politics in a year like that. >> does it eat at you? do you want to get out there? >> when i watch the interviews and what we're talking about, i'm shouting at the television, ask him this, ask him that. get in there. but i do sympathize because as i said you can bludgeon and the public is going to turn against you and make you the object of their -- their viewing instead of the candidate. >> just to be clear. you don't think there's any tilt in the press to the left or to the democrats or away from the republicans? you want to think -- >> i don't want to go on the record that i say i know how everybody votes. >> just between you and me.

>> just between you and me i -- i don't think you see it in the coverage. i think hillary's getting a pretty tough press, and i think she will continue to get a pretty tough press because she is powerful now. she's pretty much almost certainly the candidate, and the focus and the high beams will be on her more than they have been, and the same with him, trump. >> before we talk about your being a grandmother. let's talk about you being a mother. we all balance work and family. you asked your daughter taylor how much of her childhood she thinks you missed? >> didn't notice very much. it was eating away at me, but i'm an unbelievable list maker and i have compulsive list disorder and i had lists to keep her busy, as busy as she could be so she wouldn't notice i was there. >> you went to "60 minutes" and donohueit, the executive produce, warned you you'd be on the road and you wrote the first

year 18 cities, 9 countries and you write what kind of mother was i? >> i think. i had more guilt than i should, have and my daughter has told me that many times. she said if you had been home, and this is true, i know this is true, if you had been home more, you would have been on my case. we wouldn't be as friendly as we are. we have a great relationship and i do think my energy needed to be sign offed off how. >> but perhaps it's made you relish grandmotherhood more than you would otherwise? >> absolutely. i've gone off the deep end as a grand mother, and i wrote the book because i was so surprised at the depth of my loving, at the intensity of it, and i wanted to find out why and if i was like all the other grandmothers, and i am, where a society, a sorority of women who have fallen madly in love with their own grandchildren, grandfathers, too, by the way, same thing. >> one more from the book.

you were interviewed for a documentary after joining "60 minutes" and you were asked what it was like to work alongside the giants. your reaction to that question? >> i didn't like that question too much. >> why? >> because i thought i earned my place there. i had been the white house correspondent, anchored "face the nation" and it had the tinge of sexism to it so i didn't like it. i didn't show it because the camera was on my face. that's the other thing. if you ever get angry or frustrated. >> it's a viral moment. >> exactly. >> with the cameras on and you're sitting there trying to hold it down but it didn't leave my head. even as i wrote the book, and that was 25 years ago. it's still kind of churning in me. >> i got name press. lesley stahl, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> that was fun. still to come, a cnn top executive said it's true the network had a problem with the liberal bias and the white house aide who openly boasts about manipulating the media.

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cnn has battled the left leading label for years and now network president jeff zucker has fessed up, quote, saying i think it was a legitimate criticism of cnn it was a little too liberal. he told "the wall street journal" for a piece on how the campaign is getting its ratings. i give zucker a point for candor and we've added conservative voices to add to the liberal voices. that would leave out middle of the road but a step in the right direction. every white house spins the press, but ben rhodes, president obama's deputy national security advisers comes off rather smug in bragging about it and tells "new york times" interview in an embarrassingly puffy profile the average reporter we talk to 2 s 27 years old and their only reporting experiences around

campaigns and they know nothing. when he talks about creating, a quote, ecco chamber of what his aides called compadres in the media and go online and twitter and repeat the messages they are being spoon fed, for example, misleading details on the narrative of just when the iran nuclear negotiations began, it gives ammunition to those who think the media's obama coverage is too soft. every administration fervently spins the press. there's a reason why my book about the clinton white house is called "spin cycle" but few officials have the audacity to boast about it on the record. that's it for this edition of "media buzz." i'm howard kurtz. happy mother's day to all the moms out there. hope you check out our facebook page and r where we post a lot of live content there. media buzz@foxnews.com. you can also catch the media minute on sirius xm, the new

headline sirius xm channel and continue the conversation on twitter. i'm howard kurtz and i read the messages and try to respond when i can. we're back here sunday at 11:00 and 2:00 eastern. and we start with a fox news alert. donald trump looking for more republican support, but from some he's still getting the cold shoulder. now mr. trump is responding sharply to the growing number of republicans who still refuse to back his candidacy. hello, everyone. welcome to america's election headquarters. i'm eric shawn. >> hi, and i'm arthel neville. >> the republican front-runner saying he doesn't necessarily need help from the gop establishment to win the white house in november. >> i think it would be better if it would be unified. i think there would be something good about it, but i don't think it actually has to be unified in the traditional sense. >> all this after trump cemented his position as the party's