i'm greg with kimberly, juan williams and dana perino. "the five." breaking news, everyone. the white house are lying liars who think you are stupid. "the new york times" ran a tribute to an obama rogue dropped a bombshell. rhodes bragged the white house lied about the iran deal telling the media they were dealing with iranian moderates when they were dealing with american hating hard liners. more proof that obama put his

legacy before our security. they claim the adversaries were peaceful moderates to mask the plan allowing for america to shaft allies. it's crazy stuff. something tells me if this were a republican regime, impeachment would be in high gear. instead, it's cast as a victory. to sell the deal to america, we learned the white house served so-called experts to trick reporters and air brushed this bead. why would rhodes admit to such things in the new york times? because he thought it was awesome. he thought the media, being sympathetic groupies, wouldn't care. for the most part, he's not wrong. it wasn't just obama that wanted the legacy, the media wanted it too. he is the little guy swinging at

junk. he is simply the bomb even as iran gets one. this article was like 75,000 words. it was horrible. kimberly? >> did you use your counter? >> i forced myself to read it. this must make this deal -- it's corrupt. itis got to be dest. croixed. >> he undermines it to show that the deal was put together like a bizarre, bad episode, poorly rated on west wing. what is going on here? pinch yourself. is this real life? is this who is deciding foreign policy and national security? when you translate that to the coming election, do you want somebody who was the right arm of the foreign policy, hillary clinton, part of this hollywood bamboozle? >> the deal. it wouldn't have mattered what the general public thought of the deal, they were going

forward with it. the fact they perpetrated a lie upon the public, they were going forth. >> it was going to be a different lie. >> they would have done it the way he wants to do everything he wants. president obama goes around congress and the american people, the public. it points out why fox news is important. we were asking these questions throughout. the white house was feeding the group of press who ate it up and laughed or whatever you called them and never asked questions. democracy can't work when they don't push back. we at least tried to push back. the constitution provides for the free press. it's the only job protected in the document, the only one. it won't matter unless that free press asks the question and pushes back hard instead of accepting everything as is. >> this guy, was it his ego?

they perpetrated the hoax. couldn't he have kept quiet? >> who in the white house press office was responsible for sheparding him through? maybe they didn't have anybody. usually, you have a press person with you during interviews. any big corporation and the government, they tend to do that. ben rhodes often said, he's happy being a behind-the-scenes guy. the temptation for a little bit of fame in new york times magazine is bigger than that. i wonder, if this is the equivalent, if condi rice was in an interview and says, by the way, the wmd thing, the story we made up, didn't happen. you can imagine, just the outcry. it would be the opposite of what's happening now. excuse me while i have a drink.

>> there you go. juan, you would love to see you defend this article. >> i read it twice. what's interesting to me, clearly, reporters on both sides feel they are being thrown under the bus by ben rhodes. the way he describes reporters are a lot of 27-year-olds who have no experience. sorry, you want to use them? >> let's look at the quote, then i'll go to you. >> okay. >> maybe not. the average reporter we talk to is 27 years old and their only experience is around political campaigning. that's a sea change. they know nothing. we created an echo chamber, they were saying things that validated what we had given them to say. that is brutal. >> the obama administration thinks they are the smartest kid in the school, not only the

coolest, but the smartest. it's arrogant. when he's running over the kids, there are a lot of inexperienced reporters. the way twitter works, i hate to say this, but you would know, people repeat stuff that is crazy. in the middle of the night, donald trump is tweeting stuff. they repeat what comes from the white house. talk about stupidity. you can use that. here is the second point. rhodes is so convinced that sending a narrative is an ingenious way to manage media that h ignores the reality of fact and truth. i think that's where he gets in trouble. i don't think this is, by the way, new. i think all administrations do this. i said, i remember president reagan called them the peace keeper. people talk about supply and economics to cut tax for the rich. that's the way people bill narratives. he, actually, was doing an

important role for the administration. when you change facts, the key is they were negotiating with the moderates, when, in fact, as james rosen spotted out, they negotiated with the hard liars earlier. >> it makes you wonder, there's the accusation the americans were slow to help. the green revolution. remember, three secretaries of defense have resigned during this administration. what is the one thing they have all said they have in common? their problem was the interference by the national security team. i think they are meaning that. >> i didn't think about the green revolution, how we let those people just go, linking it to this. >> now, they have mocking it. what we all knew, now they got him in the neck with "the new york times." he spills it. yeah, true story. making fun of all of you. that's what it seems like.

it's what we suspected and knew. it highlights the foreign policy, not grounded on judgment, the theater or troops on the ground determining what should happen. it's very cowboy foreign policy with no purpose. >> they go way, way too far. this does not speak to the heart of the deal. the defense, by the way, rhodes is under such pressure by everybody, he responded. >> thank you. amazing. let's go to it. i think we have this. every press corps that i deal with was vetted. a review of the press from that period will find plenty of tough journalism and scrutiny. why did he do that? because he's embarrassed. >> can i be skeptical? >> sure. >> they are not stupid. ben rhodes didn't go rogue.

there's a reason for the article. there's a reason for the piece. because he wants to call the press, tell them to toughen up a bit. is it for a trump presidency, preparing for trump or preparing them for a hillary? either way, obama is on the other side. toughen up, go after them harder and they win. the obama administration wins. tougher on trump or hillary. >> do you think he failed, oops, i slipped. >> i don't think he slipped. he really feels i am so smart and i'm going to show you how this thing works. the thing is, it's not just democrats or republicans. everybody plays the media control game. >> yeah but now, juan? this article could have been written january 23rd after the new president is sworn in. >> i's not only thim. there are other people in the piece saying the same thing

about how we get lazy reporters to tell our story. >> they captured ten sailors and held off reporting that so they didn't ruin president obama's speech. >> he has a decent point about the concern people in journalism have had for 25 years, the foreign bureaus around the world. there are not reporters in those capitals. we know, when we have breaking news, a terrorist attack in a remote region part of the world. it doesn't happen anymore. there isn't the on-the-ground intelligence. not enough human intel on the ground. you need that in journalism as well. >> she is spread thin. >> the response -- >> what about israel? >> okay. >> they have to be livid. they were the ones saying this was a lousy deal, please, please, please listen. >> the insight of the deal is

not impacted by the narrative and the white house. if there was an actual lie, if there was corruption inside the deal, i could see your point. this is about how you present information and choosing the emphasis. >> it's laughing at the american public for buying into the stuff they were selling and the complete media with the exception of right wing media, fox and outlets saying, hold on, we are not sure it's a good deal. we are not sure iran won't back out of the deal and cheat. >> that's a different issue. >> not really. how many times have you heard, oh, fox news, the echo chamber on the right? guess what, it was on the left and fox news was raising the flag. >> that's cool. i believe strongly in reporters challenging the powerful. i love it. that's what the whole mission is. >> not in being in duplicity.

not in this. they treated the morn public like, aw, shucks, charlie brown. the bottom line is they were thinking it was funny and talking about it. i think he purposely did this thinking he's better, smarter and brighter than everybody else. i can run around them and do whatever we say and tell them to think. that's it. >> the last word, i think where ben rhodes might have caused problems for the white house is capitol hill. senator corker, who was like, fine, okay. he stuck his neck out. okay, i'm going to do it. he got ridiculed by the right. also, i would not miss ""special report" tonight. if anyone had the right to say i told you so, it's charles. >> one other possible reason for this. he got in an argument with his brother over dinner. they decided to take it out.

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high drama between donald trump and paul ryan. today, the speaker of the house said he would step down as chairman if the nominee asked him to. this is after his refusal to support him. >> i like paul ryan. he called me three weeks ago, i thought it was amazing. i feel blind sided by it. >> you feel blind sided? >> no, stunned. itd's politics, i'm never blind sided by anything in politics. jeb bush signed a pledge, a binding pledge. lindsey graham signed a binding pledge they would endorse. now they are breaking. it's a question of honor. they are not honorable people when they do that. >> trump says he could win the

general election with or without a united gop. what do you think about this? >> does it have to be unified? i actually don't think so. >> it doesn't have to be unified? >> i don't think so. it would be better, there would be something good about it. i don't think it has to be un y unified in the traditional sense. i have to do what i have to do. millions of people voted for me. this is the republican party, not the conservative party. this is the republican party. i am a conservative. >> they asked you to register in the republican party. it seems like he was surprised, taken aback that paul ryan came out and made that statement on the heels of, you know, him being declared the presumptive nominee. >> juan pointed out, that was a big deal. i agree it was a big deal paul

ryan said i'm not ready to support the presumptive nominee. i understand why, he had a group he represents. it's certainly not the trump group. on the other hand, i think he should step down as the chairman of the convention if donald trump asks him to. i think he should do it anyway, if he's not going to support the nominee, who is going to run the show? i e-mailed -- and he e-mailed back. he said if ryan is replaced, it will be voted on by the delegates. maybe that's a more accurate person, a better person to represent the republicans. after all, we want -- they want to beat hillary clinton, don't they? that's the point. if ryan is not ready back him, he's highlighting a fractured divide in the gop. that eels not a way to beat hillary. >> dana, what do you think about

this? did you expect that would occur and what do you think, ultimately, the impact would be? >> i thought it was bold. i think in the long -- looking back, people will say pretty wise for the speaker of the house. there has been a disruption of the republican party. for better or worse, what happens is the rebuilding. what paul ryan was saying is that i'm not there yet. he left the door open. they are going to have a meeting on thursday. i don't think they are going to have a big announcement saying okay, we are now on team trump and full steam ahead. but the door is open. you build up a party over time. trump is right, he may be able to win without the traditional gop, but there is a significant amount of people, conservatives and lifelong republicans who can't do it. they are saying i can't support hillary, either. i think trump should thank ryan for two reasons. one, paul ryan needs to preserve

the house. what you are looking at when charlie cook does his anti-republican in terms of the determination for down ballot, all but one senate seat is now less than it with was favorable for republicans before. strong republican, now it is likely or likely to toss up. that's happening across on the house side, too. that majority is assured. paul ryan has a thing to do. trump, if he becomes president, he's going to need a strong house majority. at least to preserve it. right now, all the indications are saying that paul ryan, i needed to take a pause. it's not the end. you might never get there. here is another thing trump should be thankful for. if ryan does decide to endorse him, you know it will be sincere and from the heart, not because he's an opportunist. >> what do you make of it, greg?

>> paul ryan has been a conservative and republican longer than donald trump. i don't blame him -- by the way, this is the way life is in general. you have to play hard to get. you don't go home with just anybody. you have to be thoughtful about this. by the way, if we had somebody on this show -- say "the five" was the six. they start saying things and we are like, what the hell, he makes fun of war heroes, mocks disabled, we would be going this guy is crazy because we don't want to be linked to it. that's what's going on right now. people don't want to be linked to crazy stuff. we have higher standards for this show than our candidate. >> wait, we do? >> exactly. >> the thing is, if somebody says outrageous things, then

says you should back me, it should be no. you have to convince me that sounds crazy. >> he is going to break a record for the most votes gained by a gop nominee in the history of primaries. that's what i'm saying. if it bothers me, i don't care if it doesn't bother you. also, if he doesn't need me, good for him. if he wins without me, good for him. i'm not an advocate. >> that's where dana's point comes to play. he need asz unified republican party for this reason, he wants to win. you can't have republicans -- >> are you sure about the next thing out of your mouth? >> you can't have a divided republican party and beat hill sfli. >> i don't think so. >> i think that donald trump is already at a disadvantage, according to polls, the electoral map. he has to have a unified strong, republican front backing him. you run for president, you

better have structure behind you. >> mitt romney got destroyed. >> i didn't say you can't lose, it's very hard to win. republicans are not the majority of the voters. they need to be strong and unified behind whoever the nominee is. over the weekend, listen to this. you are shaking your head, but let's hike the minimum wage and taxes? he's like, no, you can't do that. he's changing again. how are republicans to feel confident in that nominee? >> he meant hiking taxes from the lower level of the plan. the minimum wage, i have heard him say that before. i heard other conservatives say we need a wage. no one knows what that wage is. i'm against it, he's for it. >> where does my candidate stand? >> if you are putting your money

on that one, it's a shaky bet. that's why you see the donors, the big money guys pulling away from the convention. >> they are big rubio supporters. >> i want to tell you something -- you better e-mail him back and ask how he's going to make up that money. >> along those lines, do you think paul ryan himself is a reluctant house speaker, he didn't seek the job. colleagues are like, hey, can you go along? he became the speaker. remember the granny pushed off the cliff, this is an ad against paul ryan because he is for entitlement reform. he didn't stick his head out on medicare and social security reform to preserve the programs without thought behind it. i don't think he's willing to walk away from it when the entire house is built on that. doesn't mean there's not a lot of republicans that will support trump but there's a significant

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♪ last month's facebook founder, mark zuckerberg took shots at donald trump and bragged about giving all people a voice. >> i hear fearful voices call

for building walls and labeling people that distance others. the work we are doing is so important because we can actually give more people a voice. instead of building walls, we can help people build bridges and instead of dividing people, we can help bring people together. >> but, we are learning facebook is doing just the opposite, suppressing some voices on its sites conservative ones. facebook's trending section says they were instructed to ignore stories on republicans like rand paul or the drudge report even though they were trending among the site's users. we reached out to facebook. here is what they said. we take allegations of bias very seriously. facebook is bias from people all across the spectrum.

the guidelines do not permit the suppression of political perspectives. problem is, k.g., we have a couple whistleblowers that say they were instructed to suppress conservatives on the site. bump up non-conservative ideas. >> no, no, no. lying facebook. go on the site. do you see the drudge? it's going to creep across the table. see you, greg. do you see facebook put thg up? no. it's for a reason. somebody finally told the truth. it's not like conservative media being censored. it's actually happening. of all places, facebook, why not want it there to have a variety of viewpoints, opinions and ideas? because you have an agenda. >> the reason why they don't want it there is because it wins. when restrictions are removed,

conservative thought takes over. if you think about talk 1987, when those restrictions were gone, rush limbaugh took over. when the internet was big, drudge report. cable news, cnn, then boom! fox news, number one. conservative thought takes over because it's thought. >> monologue topic. it will be good. >> one of the interesting pieces of the story the whistleblowers told us is black lives matter wasn't trending. they figure out where the volume is coming in. facebook felt guilty and forced the curators to push it to the top of trending and created an atmosphere. it was a self-fulfilling prophesy. >> i don't know the reality but that would be corruption. if that's the fact, you have an agenda and you are pushing your agenda. i must say, every news

organization has an agenda. >> you are saying facebook has an agenda? >> of course. in fact -- >> that's not a news organization. it's a social network for lonely people like me. >> it is a news organization. you know how many people get their news from them? it's the number one spot. >> the number one site was fox news last year. number one brand on facebook, 2015. facebook, should we stop going to facebook for our news because of this? >> i don't think so. i'm skeptical about this. there could be a rogue person saying do this, do that. i think one of the solutions is one of greg's favorite topics, robots or algorithms. if you don't have humans doing it, turn it over to technology. >> robots are conservative.

they are! >> the praograms are corrupt. >> facebook and other corporations, certainly facebook has been pressured by the left to pull out of the republican convention in cleveland. they were going to be boycotted, angry accusations saying if you go to the republican convention, there's going to be a backlash against you from the left. facebook said, no, we are going to the convention. they participated in the debate we had in south carolina, one of the fox sponsors. i would also say this, social media is a great equalizer for users. ask ben carson. he funded a campaign asking for small donations on facebook. it's not the place to get your news, but it's not going away. if they use their algorithm, it goes away. >> the leakers here were not facebook employees, they were consultants. if people bombard the site and

say i want to raise the profile of a specific issue, they can do it. they are trying to counter influence coming from one political perspective. >> like floating up black lives matter. >> are we going to leave it there? >> zuckerberg wants liberal love, i think. >> i like that sipsychology. >> wounded warriors and invicktous gaves when "the five" returns. jusdoes that mean they have toer grow apart from their friends, or from the things they love to do? with right at home, it doesn't. right at home's professional team thoughtfully selects

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gone out 13 times in a row on a mission. what happens to the body, the mind, the psyche, the family is so profound, in addition to the physical manifestation of the injury. this is really pornlt. i'm glad to see it getting the attention it deserves with the president there. >> michelle obama was there, too. >> this is the only international sporting event for injured, active duty or retired veterans. somebody saw a great opportunity. >> listen, god bless these men and women who were participating there. god bless everyone putting the event on as well. are they raising money? is there an area to raise, to help, you know, support some of these people? i have no idea. >> i'm not sure where the money goes. they are at the bush center and many other places. they have an effort for the post-traumatic stress. this effort, overall, greg, is one you have people from all

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♪ "snl" has been having a field day with this year's wild presidential race. viewers got a special surprise, a sermon from the church lady. dana carvey reprising his role.

>> my first guest is someone i talked about here on church chat, but never has face-to-face. please welcome satan. does johnny ever take a gander at the holy stripture. >> i love all the books of the bible, they are all terrific. corinthians part two. i quote, love thy neighbor as thyself. like a good neighbor, state farm is there. >> this wasn't the first time he visiting satan, donald trump. he did it in 1990 when he was involved in a sex problem.

trump is back. now, he's the republican nominee. what did you think? nobody wants to -- >> i like dana carvey. i love him as garth. he hasn't aged. >> he's incredibly giftedimpres. >> i don't know if he does a 43, but 41 is spectacular. now that younger viewers are getting exposed to the church lady, it's going to help at the workplace at the water cooler. generation x talking to millenials. now everybody knows who the church lady is. >> he's my second favorite dana. happy birthday. >> too cute for words. >> let me ask you, kimberly -- >> yes, lay it on. >> is our pal, ted cruz, forever known as lucifer in the flesh? >> i don't think so. i mean, look, he can go on and

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all right, kimberly. lead off one more thing. >> i do. today is a very special day because it's happy birthday, baby, dana perino. 21, again. this is the full-on party. >> right on your debut. >> what is this for? >> we got a discount after cinco de mayo. we got chips, salsa and tasty guac. >> they are telling me to blow it out or sprinklers are going to come down and that would ruin our hair. >> no more tuesday midnight. >> number one, i was thinking, thank you all for this. i was thinking, this is the fifth birthday i have spent with you guys. we are on our fifth year. our anniversary july 11th. >> huge party. we are having it at madison

square garden. all the viewers are invited. van haillen is going to play. jim morrison may come out. they are digging him up. >> peter is here, your fabulous husband. thank you for being part of our birthday. happy birthday. thank you so much. >> we went to quebec city for the weekend, scoping out canada. >> is this your one more thing? >> yeah. that's bob vandermeer. that's where he is. >> he's from western michigan. i recommend a quick trip up there. it's an hour flight. >> what is quebec's motto? >> it's worth doing. >> it's worth doing. i loved it. we had a great time. thank you. >> excellent. >> now, i shall eat.

>> eat because it's good luck. >> may wedding bells ringing in my family. three times this month and on saturday in massachusetts, it was chris and aubrey, my nephew. here comes the bride with her dad. chris and aubrey standing there. in fact, her brother was the o fish yeni can't. that's me, and my brother. i'm standing on my chair so i can be taller than tony and raffe. then raffe caught the guarder. the grand kids can't take this wedding stuff. they have to get back on the computer. >> there i am at breakfast, at friendly's with the grand kids. grego gregory, you couldn't tolerate it. >> those are all the pictures? >> what? >> i thought you had more. >> i do. i thought you would mock me. >> a family man. >> quickly, saturday night,

toronto at miami. this happened, during the singing of the canadian national anthem, take a look. ♪ oh canada, our home and native land ♪ ♪ true petatriot now in all the command ♪ . >> what happened is dwyane wade, star player for miami was taking shots, warm-upshots. he was trying to make the last shot before he lined up for the national anthem. they got well into it before he made it to the lineup. i guarantee he's on the line tonight. >> real quick -- >> what? >> great therapy session. >> great. >> we are going to close the show with something that makes you very calm. just watch this. take a look.

if this doesn't make you happy, you are dead. >> what are they doing? >> chasing each other? >> this is therapy. stare at it long enough, you feel good. >> it's only on saturday night. >> "special report" is up next. donald trump insists it may not be necessary to unite the republican party for him to win. as republican lawmakers scrutinize changing policy positions. this is "special report." good evening, welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. donald trump kicks off his full week at the gop's presumptive nominee. in recent days, republicans are looking for additional clarity from the nominee in waiting on his shifting stance on raising the minimum wage and whether he'll raise taxes. now, house speaker, paul ryan, who is scheduled t