dr. michael shulenberg and hospital where he worked. there is no information what he prescribed or whether prince actually took those drugs. >> to be continued. jon: we're working on second hour. we'll see you back here in one hour. "outnumbered" starts now. ♪ sandra: this is "outnumbered." i'm sandra smith. here today, there chichi is, harris faulkner, fox business network's dagen mcdowell. nationally syndicated radio talk show host meghan mccain. we love having him. republican strategist. and campaign veteran tony sayegh is here. he is "outnumbered." and don't forget it, sir. >> how can i forget? harris: since when we were talking about a primary. >> he is loaded for bear. he is on the edge of his seat. >> boy, am i ready. sandra: careful there, dagen. donald trump is hours away from

a series of big meetings on capitol hill. the presumptive nominee is set to meet with top republican leaders in the house and senate tomorrow. he will also meet separately with rnc chairman reince priebus and house speaker paul ryan who said he is not ready to support trump. ahead of those meetings, house republicans met with their weekly conference. for the first time since trump became their party's likely nominee. afterwards speaker ryan telling reporters it is important to unite the gop in order to win the white house. and then he said this about trump. >> these are conversations we're going to have. i don't really know him. i met him once in person in 2012. we had a very good conversation in march on the phone. we just need to get to know each other. we as a leadership team are enjoying the fact that we have a chance to meet with him. sandra: meanwhile trump is reversing suggestion he made on sunday that he may not back

house speaker ryan as convention chair. >> he is a very good man. he wants what is good for the party. i think we'll have positive results. i look frankly for him to stay and be chairman. i think he loves this party. he loves this country. he wants to see something good happen. i think we're going to do better if we're unified. sandra: what do you make of the change in tone coming from trump on paul ryan? >> i think trump is very savvy and clever. his method of negotiation make it clear he is willing to walk away from the table. he tells paul ryan, maybe you don't have to be the convention chair if you don't like me, that sent a signal, that showed ryan, trump wants to work with him but he will hold a tough line. he will not be the person all of sudden the nominee feels compelled to follow their lead. he got here largely without establishment point. the trump and ryan the common denominator in the negotiation they want to win and beat hillary clinton.

they know that you do that you uniting the party. ryan's point can't be underestimated. you can't hold a press conference and rally say we're all happy family. harris: yes you can. they always do that. >> stylelisticly you can do that for a news cycle or two. there are deep concerns about some positions. i think trump is ready to help address that -- sandra: perhaps that goes back to paul ryan's strategy. i just can't support him as my nominee now. harris: why not? they have always done it that way? why can't you support him? if the people chose this candidate why can't you get behind him? he doesn't have competitors anymore. wouldn't matter who he is, right? it has never mattered until now. tony, what is different? >> trump is different. clearly from way outside any of the normal, kind of establishment of the republican party. by establishment, i don't mean the ruling class. he is not bonafide long-term conservative fighting for certain things that the republican party since reagan

identified as important. harris: okay. >> tactics, foreign policy and stuff. here is the difference. trump basically understands that he has the upper hand here and i think he is smartly beginning to play it but while he has the up the burden and that's where i think we'll have to watch him now till the convention to see what he does. sandra: it sound reasonable. speaker ryan saying i don't know him very well. i need to go him bert. you made it very clear your reservations about donald trump. paul ryan said the same. i need to know him better. do you think if paul ryan gets on board, do you think it is possible mailing begin mccain could? >> i trust paul ryan implicitly. i was grateful he was giving people like me cover that still have reticence. let me give you a example, harris faulkner. harris: i love it when she uses her name. >> i know you personally. harris: go on. >> miss faulkner. right now, there is a white

nationalist as delegate this donald trump for him in california. i don't want to be associated with that. he said incendiary thing. not values i believe republican party should be. not values republican party should espouse in the national election. there are things we still have concerns b if we have paul ryan and other leaders meeting with donald trump singing kumbayah. let me finish. it's a complete tone shift. donald trump was saying some republicans can sit out the election eight years. we don't need you. this is complete shift in few days. maybe he realizes we have to unite. hillary clinton and bernie sanders are in complete disarray on democratic side. we have the opportunity to beat them. sandra: they have the opportunity and need, dagen. i want to get your response, the nerds we are. we've been talking about exit polls. this is really interesting. coming out of nebraska and west virginia where gop voters feel betrayed by the republican party and angry with the federal government.

in nebraska, 63% of republican voters, west virginia, 49%. doesn't this just define this campaign? >> donald trump an excuse for not quickly kissing the ring, if you will and making amends with paul ryan because paul ryan started it last week, when he seemed genuinely shocked that donald trump was the presumptive nominee quite frankly. >> i think he was. >> there is a little bit of that, when you said i don't really know him that well. that was today. he didn't have that more genuine response last week. harris: interesting. >> which i didn't think was authentic for paul ryan. >> he said i'm not there yet. >> i'm not there yet. second thing, as voracious of consumer of reality television shows i think, you never put down drama and i think, you know, you never want to like mend a fissure or never want to like, get over a dust-up too quickly because then people lose interest. if they come together, doesn't that make people pay even closer

attention to the unity in the republican party? harris: so that is interesting pause that's juxtaposition megyn talked about so what is happening particularly since last night, what is happening on the other side of the aisle. bernie sanders taking west virginia. bernie sanders taking the news cycle if you will today, with some of the strides that he picked up. it is a juxtaposition to that. and again, who would ever have thought, republicans based on 17 in the beginning competing would be get iting it together faster, maybe a whole lot before democrats? it gives them wind at their sails. it gives them a positive message. maybe it is this dramatic dance. i'm a fan of dancing. and i'm with you on the reality. >> that is why the leadership can not squander this opportunity to try to build a relationship. harris: are you worried they will? >> i don't think so, senator corker, very well-respected member of the senate, senator cornyn. donald trump is our nominee. we have to learn to work with him. paul ryan, you're absolutely

right, dagen, it was this awkward i'm marinating on it. it sounded like small ball for intellectual as you point out, meghan with all the intellectual credibility. >> he is giving politicians cover who are not there yet. people that live and die on conservative values, like i brought up, white nationalists being part of the trump campaign. let me finish. let me finish, okay. that makes me uncomfortable okay. >> but no longer a delegate. >> the fact he ever was a begin with. no white nationalists on my campaign. >> i don't think he was recruited by -- >> i'm just telling you, paul ryan did this originally for cover. now they're playing nice. if there is any individual reroll or anger i understand why paul ryan did it to help people like me which is leadership. harris: point on the money is critical. >> trump has to raise at least a billion dollars. barack obama and mitt romney spent more than that in the last election. you can only do it. sandra: we have to get to the other side of the equation and talk about the democratic race,

or is there one? as we mentioned on the democratic side, bernie sanders winning big last night, trouncing hillary clinton in west virginia where she beat barack obama by more than 40 points back in 2008. in his victory speech sanders showing no signs of going away quietly. >> with our victory tonight in west virginia, we have now won primaries and caucuses in 19 states. [cheers and applause] and let me be as clear as i can be. we are in this campaign to win the democratic nomination! [cheers and applause] sandra: meantime fox news senior political analyst brit hume on "the kelly file saying the results in west virginia may reflect a deeper problem for team clinton.

>> this night in more than one respect is all about her weakness as a candidate. her weakness, surprising weakness despite the odds now in her favor among democrats. the new polling out today in those three battleground states that you mentioned earlier, suggest that she is far weaker as a general election candidate in those key states than one might have imagined against donald trump. sandra: even more bad news for clinton. in fox exit polling, 35% of west virginia democrats say they would vote for trump over hillary in the fall. all right, tony, again, dagen and i talked about this morning. we had charlie hurt sitting in your seat, he dismissed that as a republican fantasy that would actually happening. do you think that could happen? >> i think it could happen in demographic similar to west virginia. blue-collar whites. where else they live, ohio, western pennsylvania, other key states potentially minnesota and wisconsin.

to dismiss it outright is silly. to overinterpret it outright is silly. other interesting exit poll, more than 50% of the sanders supporters, knot just democrats, would vote for trump over hillary in general election matchup. sanders won women by 50-38. he won on issues -- >> seniors too. >> won on issues related to the economy by 55-30. this really goes to expose the real weakness of the hillary candidacy, she has no rationale. her rationale it is my turn again. that's a problem for her. sandra: meghan talk about who sanders is winning with -- clinton won seniors in every state except for vermont. seniors gave sanders in the most recent election slight edge. seniors voted for sanders 47-to 45%. we're talking seniors there. women as well, big change, women supported clinton in every state except vermont. now west virginia where sanders got 50% of the vote, clinton got

38% of the female vote. >> well, we were just talking about how many young people, or people would go to donald trump. i actually think millenial women will flock to him especially after all the things about bill clinton and his past start coming up. you know donald trump is going to go there and going there hard. what is fascinating about this hard, bernie sanders is showcasing just what a weak candidate hillary clinton is. the fact she can't take him out this late in the game and his supporters are angry, they're vitriolic. they feel like the election has been stolen from them. i seriously see a lot of people online, construct women saying i will go to trump, #never hillary. sandra: wow. daigh gen cover of "new york post" this day, stop the coronation. we have the cover of it. she looks desperate. to quote albert brooks from broadcast news, what if needy was a turn r turn-on? what if desperation -- there was

a point to me using that quote. now, just -- harris: i'm impressed you can quote from "broadcast news." >> old standby, right? been in the news business long enough. say it here. comes up there. she has said, she is talking about medicare for people over the age of 50 when medicare is going broke by 2030. talking about more government handouts for child care. again, moving left. she moved up her minimum wage not long ago from $12 an hour to $15 an hour. bernie sanders is pushing her exactly where she wants to be. he thinks he is paul mccartney and she looks like a fan girl. >> simon and garfunkel. >> he thinks he is bob dylan. great folk hero that will change the world. i can't stand him. >> his supporters do too by the way. sandra: harris his own words says he has uphill battle. harris: i ask every day i'm curious to know what he wants.

i don't think this is man we see in the white houses based on delegate numbers going into the convention season now but who is to say it doesn't look like it, right? then the question becomes, what is he accomplishing by making it easier for the other side to beat hillary clinton? so at some point the democrats have to sit down with him. i would imagine, not that i'm giving anybody any advice but the way we've seen it in the past is, they sit down and try to figure out what he wants. if bernie sanders -- you might have -- here is the problem for democrats. hillary clinton may have picked a fight with somebody who just likes to fight. and if that is the case, you may not be able to get him out before you can save yourself. >> ego flies alone, right? maybe it is just ego. he likes the attention. harris: he doesn't come across that way. i think it is more of a movement. i think his heart is in it. if he addicted to the thing fighting for little guy, how will you knock him off with a woman who makes $335,000 a speech? i don't know. it is a question. >> he does represent in his mind a revolution.

if hillary clinton unchecked in the primary she would be tacking to the center. he is to your point, hard left on minimum wage, on fracking, on environmental issues. that is why he is still in the race to keep her honest. sandra: big questions by the way donald trump and who he will pick for his vice-presidential candidate. he says he is moving closer to that decision. we're waiting to hear what the short list may be. should it be someone who can unite the party? or would an outsider keep in tune with trump's going rogue style? growing firestorm for facebook. now a top u.s. demanding answers after a report claims that facebook suppresses conservative news stories on its trending list. should the government even be involved in this? catch "outnumbered overtime" foxnews.com/outnumbered. click on the "overtime" tab. tweet us your questions, or comments.s

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♪ harris: new fallout after a bombshell report claimed facebook was suppressing conservative news stories on the trending list and also manipulated list so that items were not really trending got bigger play.

now the senate, so-called top internet cop wants answers. commerce committee chair john thune sent a letter to facebook chief mark zuckerberg asking detailed questions on how trending topics are chosen and who is responsible for doing it. in a statement, the senator said, quote any attempt by a neutral and inclusive social media platform to censor sore manipulate political discussion is abuse of trust and inconsistent with values of open internet. facebook has denied directing employees to manipulate which stories are trending. it is continuing to investigate the claims. the government getting involved, your thoughts? >> look, i don't know if it is matter of legality do what they want. in surveys, 53% view facebook as news site. there is some expectation of objectivity how they will share some news. facebook, if they do this as practice, say we do this as a practice, but they don't of the they say our guide lines try to

prohibit this selection to favor one side over another. i think there needs to be a lot more transparency. i think government has a role helping expedite -- harris: rather than saying it is not happening, you want to see what is happening? >> yeah. harris: sandra the flip flip side says it is not about whether or not using algorithms or humans. it's a different issue. sandra: the understanding though when you look at a trending list they're posting the subject matter up there based on the amount of clicks that they're getting. that is what you assume. then you know what is hot and people are clicking on, what they're reading as news. people see this as you said, 63% consider facebook a news platform. so all the commerce committee here is saying we think it is important for people to know that. there there is subjectivity involved here. that people are actually making the decisions of what makes this trending list. harris: what they're calling for is honesty. you want transparency. the government wants honesty. your thoughts?

>> mark zuckerberg made his political voice very clear. he has taken shots at donald trump. i have story from 2008, randi zuckerberg, mark zuckerberg's sister, she went to to dnc convention she was treated like rock star. she went to the rnc was in a hotel room. they said it was total bs. they didn't reach out to the rnc. help from come up from the top. publicly ceo saying taking shots at donald trump, not wanting to cover for anything, you can't help understand there is probably a bias someplace somewhere. if they are censoring trending topics that show conservative issues and conservative news isn't on that, i think that is highly unethical. >> sheryl sandberg who run the company and founder mark zuckerberg have preached around the world about being open and being transparent. they're not being open and transparent. it is their choice to do that at this point.

they can tell the world, more than 1.6 billion users, of how they select trending topics. but when it comes to the government intervening in how private companies operate, because i complain about what the obama administration has done repeatedly. so my general stance is butt out. i don't really see the need. now that the public knows what is going on, i think facebook can step up and stand up without having senate hearings. harris: our own howard kurtz who does "mediabuzz" on the weekends saying something similar. i will paraphrase, egregious that the government would force an entity, how would we feel if we were told how we would choose our stories as journalists and so for the. the big difference, tony, they are not being called upon. 63% of people may get nair news from facebook but anticipation and expectation is on the actual journalists doing reporting. to say facebook is unfair. that is one thing.

government san say it is dishonest. that is another. we're involved with an amendment that has to do with our jobs. >> i don't think the answer is something punitive or statutory from government. we do have open internet here. that has new frontiers of regulation. i don't think it is unfair for government to step in saying wait a minute, if people believe they are going to website, and believe it objective news source and it is not. there needs to be sharing and honesty together. harris: is that enough? dagen says, tell us what is happening and let public take over? >> in today's "wall street journal" editorial, facebook is not a public utility. how much can you govern them? how much can you threat them into action. harris: like this. donald trump says he is narrowing his choices for a running mate, who he is considering for vice president and the qualities his team are looking for. his team is looking for. what's the right fit? we'll talk about it. it's a fact. kind of like bill splitting equals nitpicking.

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♪ >> as donald trump marchs closer to the general election the presumptive republican nominee is narrowing his search for a vice president. >> i have five or six people i think would be very good. honestly right now i'm vetting various people and i will make a determination sometime before the convention, probably announce it during the convention. >> okay. >> trump is not releasing a full list of names, however he is not ruling out new jersey governor chris christie who is already heading his transition planning. meantime trump campaign manager corey lewandoski spoke to hannity about the vetting process. >> you need someone who understands the process intimately. can make sure in the first 100 days which are so critical we get done the agenda which mr. trump is putting forward, cutting taxes reducing our deficit, rye negotiating our trade deals and so in that sense you need someone who understands and experience in the legislative process to get that accomplished. >> take my word for it, picking

a running mate is vital move that can do very good things or bad things for the campaign. >> how do you know that? [laughter] >> i'm just going to start with me. i want him to pick someone with foreign policy experience and military background. >> anybody you like. >> general petraeus. that might not be possible. >> my hope has always been picking someone to unify the party going back to the earlier topic. republicans don't play identity politics with vice-presidential choices even the case of sarah palin senator mccain. she wended up helping more with conservative voters and right-wing voters than females. in my mind when you look back in history, requiring began, george h.w. bush, conservative, northeast establishment, so on, so forth. happened literally up until mitt romney and paul ryan. i wanted to see marco rubio type. tell you for governors who is being totally underlooked is scott walker, who has been a

gold standard of conservative executive leadership in wisconsin. a swing state. a key state. >> get down. >> someone who i think understands how to do trench warfare. >> dagen is excited about that. >> i always love hearing something you haven't heard before. john kasich, he denied he would want it, but he is has the experience in washington but exhibited such a connection with the voters, something i talked about recently. he really understands what people want and he has been able to get out there and really develop personal relationships with these voters. but again, i do not think it will be chris christie on any given day because you can't have kind of two loud yankees on the same ticket. no offense but. harris: i question that you have worked with governor christie. >> i have, yes. harris: so you know him pretty well and there was a reason in the beginning why people wondered why is he backing trump to the degree which he is? now he is running transitional

team? did somebody promise him something? what were the conversations like and if he were the pick what do you think he would bring? >> i don't think promises have been made. he earned it, shown loyalty which is big virtue in trump organization as well should be in any political organization. christie is tough. if you believe as i do fbi will recommend indict but not doj you want as attorney general, former prosecutor can prosecute case against hillary clinton. can give you distance from it as head of the ticket. christie is successful governor in new jersey. worked with all democratic legislature. got real reforms. harris: not popular there right now. >> not popular there right now. he exhibited what trump said is criteria. working within the legislative process. >> except for the stare of the desperate bridesmaid. which we've seen more than once. somebody, just move him. again it is optics.

donald trump understands that. move him to the side. i'm serious, that hurt him. >> potentially. sandra: couple names we haven't thrown around here, former texas governor rick perry, former arizona governor jan brewer, they made it clear and put it out there they're available. >> well look, i think it is kind of interesting because you have this whole group of people, kasichs of the world and rubios go out of the way say they don't want it and rick perry and brewer on the other end. trump understands this is probably most critical vice-presidential election we've had in my generation. i'm really curious to see if he will heed the idea you have to now with this pick unify party, give conservative, movement conservatives, not saying social or evangelical conservatives, people that believe what we believe, want reagan legacy and to con own on in the. he might pick paul ryan. listen what he is saying. i want a legislative person with experience. first 100 days cory said was

critical for the agenda. why not? harris: wouldn't that be wild. >> i don't see that happening. >> he got shoehorned into the speaker job. i don't think he will step up take the vp a second time. >> certainly would be fascinating to see how it plays out. tensions growing in the hillary clinton email probe. senior clinton aide cheryl mills reportedly walking out of an interview with the fbi after being asked a question she felt was off limits. new report that hillary clinton raked in big dollars in donations from justice department employees. the same agency deciding whether to indict her in the email scandal. does this call for an independent counsel?

♪ >> yet more developments in the hillary clinton email probe. "the washington post" reporting senior clinton aide cheryl mills and her lawyer walked out of a recent interview with the fbi after mills was asked a question

she felt was off limits. it involved the procedure used to produce emails for public release by the state department. she returned a short time later but reportedly never answered the question. this as the "washington free beacon" reports that hillary clinton got nearly $75,000 in donations from employees at justice department, the same agency deciding whether to bring charges in the email scandal. that is renewing calls for attorney general loretta lynch to appoint independent special counsel to handle this case. tony apparently the cover that cheryl mills is using who was her chief of staff by the way while she was secretary of state, hillary clinton was, is that she is an attorney herself and wasn't supposed to be asked questions on this particular topic. what do you make of it? >> which seems so ridiculous, because isn't that such an elementary question? what was the procedure you put in place that suggested what e-mails got released? that is not exactly hard one. that goes to reinforce the whole idea they're hiding something.

i never understood that if hillary clinton genuinely did nothing wrong and this was accidental thing she could thought she could have her own server, could conduct her all official business on her own private email, found out later, oops, i'm wrong, why are they going to such great lengths to really keep information away from the public? the second, corollary piece of this whole thing is doj contributions, right? this is what bothers me when you know that these department of justice employees are supporting hillary clinton and also going to render verdict essentially on whether or not she gets indicted. you could easily have a special counsel. this goes back to the whole idea everything that the clintons do seems rigged, this inside gamet, inside the beltway political system that they just seem to always master. superdelegates in the convention process and right now, this whole, situation that fact they have all the employees in doj as supporters. >> sandra, raises issue this is going on in interviews, waiting

for hillary clinton to sit down with the fbi, what kind of investigation is this? sandra: clearly points to attention that is involved and continues to escalate. i'm with you. you look at investigation and confusing, you wonder why the general public isn't on this more? not only do we learn there were certain questions that were off limits in this fbi probe, but they can leave the room, confer, come back, say, we're not actually not going to answer that question. i mean, really makes you wonder if we're getting the most thorough fbi investigation. >> harris, "the washington post" article says that mills is cooperative witness. that is how they referred to her. harris: she is not being rude. she just doesn't want to tell them what they want to know, right? she is cooperating in the sense saying please and thank you i would imagine but here is the one question i want to know if they asked her yet, getting up out of the room and have to think about it? did you have kind of clearance looking at emails? that is really the issue here. maybe she can give ancillary

information. make she can't. they have bryan pagliano. he has immunity. he is talking obviously but really, she was touching potentially classified and top secret information and i realize she was an attorney but those were emails that were being passed around. does she have the kind of clearance it took. we know at least 22 of them, nobody at the pentagon, nobody at state department can go through them without certain clearance to say if they could be turned over in the investigation. >> assuming that hillary clinton does sit down with the fbi, you can't lie to the fbi. that's a crime. guess what? the fbi can lie to you when they're interrogating you. harris: oh, yeah. >> they have free will to lie to you. do you think she ever sits down with them? >> the exhaustion of this other than all the things we just covered why is there always a second set of rules for the clintons? they can get away with anything. if this were public or dick cheney the media would be all over it, the fbi would be all over it. because she is liberal and queen hillary being anointed despite

the fact she is not earning it right now she will let her get away with it. if we actually found out what were in the emails it would be bad news for democratic party. it is shady and mafia style from top down. >> bad news that bernie sanders seems to have stolen the scepter. white house insisting there will be no apology. controversy over president obama's historic upcoming visit to hiroshima where america dropped a atomic bomb. first for sitting president. why the visit may still be seen as an apology loud and clear, even if one is not offered.

harris: controversy is growing over president obama's controversial visit to hiroshima. he is the first american president to visit the site where the first tommic bomb was dropped. critics say this is the just the latest in what they call the president's apology tour. the white house is insisting that is not the case. >> is the president concerned going to hiroshima will be interpreted as an apology? >> if people do interpret it that way they will be interpreting it wrongly, so, i

don't think that there is much risk of that. harris: while saying no apology is in the offing, earnest also said that the president's visit to hiroshima will signal his vision of a world fry of nuclear weapons, ernest citing what he calls america's special responsibility as only nation to ever use nuclear weapons. tony, your thoughts? >> this is one of those things if it weren't barack obama i could probably understand the historic significance of an american president making a visit to hiroshima, particularly to talk about nuclear proliferation. his track record going around the world seems to apologize, always subordinate american power and american exceptionalism. he is not the best messenger. there is another part that feels sad to the idea that you know, we've never had a japanese leader visit pearl harbor. never asked them to apologize for travesty which created circumstances which we entered the war in the first place. therefore to end it in hiroshima and nagasaki.

this is complicated decision i think in many respects. harris: sandra? sandra: a lot of research i read leading up to this, there were critics obviously but some who looked at this, this represents a new level of maturity that japan and united states has reached. do you think he should go? >> no. i really don't. >> i don't either. >> i really don't think he should go. i do think unfortunately for barack obama this in his own mind probably a victory lap of sorts. he has been really the american president who again i think has made told the world he doesn't believe we're anymore less exceptional than anybody else. he has a list of firsts that he can probably try to do in the next eight months before he has to leave office. this was one of them. think it could potentially be insulting to so many people who lost lives. >> fresh off the trip from cuba. the choices of places he is visiting are concerning to say the least. my, i have a problems with this and i would really like it if

president obama stopped at pearl harbor first and brought world war ii veterans with him, symbolically. they're the greatest generation. knowing my grandfather was world war ii veteran. they're dying. there is not a lot of them left. i don't know what kind of signal this sends to the greatest generation. if it were another president, president bush or someone who hadn't had long history of apology tours i wouldn't have a problem with it. he is doing this for political reasons and those political reasons i don't agree with. harris: is this just what you're thinking or have you talked with your dad about this, senator john mccain? what does he say? >> i haven't talked about it in explicit detail. i know my father and say he would agree with me. veterans are huge to my family in different ways. i think you have to be very careful with this greatest generation that are dying off. what signal you're sending to them in their late age. i think he would agree with me. harris: dagen? >> to my uncle gordon enlisted 16 and lied about his age fought in the pacific, no longer with us, it is men still here and all those who fought for our freedom, then and even now.

but in terms of visiting hiroshima, if the president will get up there and talk about japan's roll in the war and why president truman decided to drop the bomb in the first place, something sorely missing from the history that is being discussed in japan. >> amen, dagen, seriously. sandra: i think you guys have both made cases to where if he did go, if you were to take the other side of this and say it is okay for him to go, there is a right way to do it. >> look, george h.w. bush who fought in the pacific theater as young navy pilot and 18 years old was shot down in the pacific theater. went back and visited the island and met with some of the people from the japanese military at the time. i'm all for reconciliation. i'm all for healing but i don't know if this president is the right -- harris: all for the pitch forward to the future as long as we don't lose our connection with the history? >> i don't think he is the right messenger. harris: have this as teaching moment? >> japanese leader visit pearl

harbor as recourse i would have less of a problem. >> john kerry already paid them a visit. harris: dagen gets last word. big debate over maternitity leave. i can't wait to hear what you say, tony. ceo of yahoo! is defending her decision going back to work a month after are having twins. is there a right or wrong time to return to the job? ♪ ♪ (singing) you wouldn't haul a load without checking your clearance. so why would you invest without checking brokercheck? check your broker with brokercheck.

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♪ harris: you can dance. >> no i really can't. >> just pot me. [laughter]. yahoo! ceo marissa mayer is speaking out again after being criticized taking another short maternity leave. mayer gave birth to twin girls in december and went back to work a month later in 2012. she returned to office within two weeks of her son's birth. which all remember that. n recent article defending her decision caught her attention, mayer spoke out on twitter, says she find other ways to find time to bond with her children. but some on twitter were not so supportive of that decision. one person responding, quote, i feel very sorry for your child. not your first priority. sad.

others applauded mayer defending choice. mothers need to do without judgment. one year in canada but i chose six weeks. my take is you need to do whatever you think you need to do for your children, to bond with them and to heal yourself. i would never be critical of another mother's decision. only, i'm going to put that in your lap. >> i wouldn't do it publicly. you can be judgmental quietly and talk to someone saying wow, i can't believe you do that i don't think you can attack somebody publicly for decision they personally made. maternityity leave needs to be guaranteed for a period of time. people have the right to use it or not use it. she clearly understands her circumstances more important than we do. i don't support the idea of parental shaming. i don't do it right all the time but you learn as we go. sandra: let's remind everybody she face ad different kind of criticism of after birth of her first child, her son, because when she returned to work she

had a nursery built had her office. harris: she can't win. she can't win. she talked about how much help she has at home. for her to work her hours, however she wants to work them and come back, so apparently that is not good enough for some people the fact she has help. the not good enough for some people she built a nursery on the job. that she made a decision they wouldn't have made. i get opportunity to interview you something you know well, isn't she in the process of a business deal with yahoo!? sandra: that is very much up in the air. dagen and i are rather that. is there is uncertainty at the company she is running. >> she is doing lousy job. sandra: dagen said that. harris: doing her best to keep the bidding process for going south. sandra: if you read analysts notes which we start off doingtt who is are saying that they will keep her around at the company.

harris: she needs to go back to work right now. i was saying that may be why she made the decision. >> that certainly went into her decision how much time she took off. she took the job as ceo and made the choice to be a mom. i think being a woman in the 21st century means you don't judge other women's decisions. harris: wouldn't that be nice? >> work from home anymore? wasn't that one of the platforms that she did and it was quite controversial she didn't want remote employees at yahoo! anymore. maybe some of the complications yeah if you're really wealthy and ceo you can afford to go back into the work place. i don't have children and not judging her but if you're stay-at-home mom working remote you may have a problem with this i'm not a mom. far from it. sandra: i am impressed she can come back that fast, how about that? we're at end of the show. >> how about that. sandra: tony sayegh, thank you. harris: i don't want to go! >> me either. sandra: good to have all of you.

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