please all remember that the spin stops here. because we are definitely look out for you. breaking tonight, a firestorm of criticism continues to build. 24 hours after the white house drops a late night memo that critics argue is changing the rules at every school in america when it comes to issue of transgender students. welcome to thecally file, i'm megyn kelly. the doj and the department of education made if announcement in the middle of the night heading into a friday sending a message to schools that reads in part, the desire to accommodate others discomfort cannot justify a policy that singles out and disadvantage as particular class of students. end quote. now, all public schools that receive public funding, including most colleges and universities, are at risk of losing that funding if they do

not follow a variety of rules regarding transgender students like allowing those students to use rest rooms that match their gender identity. and forcing school staff to use pronounce and names consistent with a transgender student's identity. it immediately set off critics across the country. chief among them was texas lieutenant governor dan patrick, who argued that what the president is essentially doing is blackmailing schools into enforcing his position. then the white house fired back, just listen to the back and forth starting with the lieutenant governor. s. >> i believe it is the biggest issue facing families and schools in america since prayer was taken out of public schools. he says he's going to withhold funding if schools do not follow the policy. well, in texas, he can keep his 30 pieces of silver. we will not yield to blackmail from the president of the united states. >> respond to texas lieutenant

governor dan patrick? >> i think this does underscore the risk of electing a right wing radio host to a statewide elected office. >> former bush speech writer mark teesen and richard fowler are here in a moment to debate. first let's turn to texas lieutenant governor dan patrick. thank you for joining us. your comments in response to the white house's remarks on you? >> first of all, when you will auction do is personally attack someone less than 24 hours after you have a new policy out you already know they are on the defensive. by the way for the record i spent eight years in the -- i oversee a budge of $40 billion. 6 million students, 1200 school districts and 300,000. i know mo more about education than the judge or the president does this. does nothing to to enhance education. it won't improve reading or math scores. won't help kids graduate.

this will do nothing but be disruptive to our schools. teachers said we have tough enough time the boys in the locker room, when you start bringing in 14-year-old twice with 14-year-old girls to shower together. 7-year-old children comixing in the bathroom it's going to be chaos in our schools. the president -- by the way he threatened to take away funding. >> let's go back and forth rather than talking straight through. >> sure. >> this is what the other side says. this is reality, this is the reality of life in 2016 america where we are finally getting to the point where we recognize there are transwomen, transmen transgirls transboys and that they have been stifled and tortured in a way for so long yes there may be disruption in mainstreaming these kids and getting things to a place where they are accepted but that it's for the greater good. >> ambiguousan, the transgender population is around three/10 of one percent. by the way, every school

district has handled the transgender children just fine. they make accommodations. we make accommodations for all types of children who come to school with all types of issues. again, america is not going to stand for boys and girls showering together in elementary school. >> why? >> it's going to be the ends of public he had kachlgs it's going to push school choice across -- >> why won't americans stand for that? why is it like -- try to articulated -- >> it goes against common sense, common decency, privacy, confident, safety, the value system of people. by the way,ing megyn, this is not a part san issue n. houston i helped fight back an ordinance that would have allowed men in ladies rooms. we defeated that in a democrat city 2 to 1. >> allow transwomen in ladies rooms? pardon? >> the ordinance would have allowed men in the ladies

women's or would have allowed transwomen in the ladies room? >> here's what people don't understand. when you pass the ordinance and the rules particularly in the adult sector. it says any person any man who feels like he is a transgender, feels like a woman can go in. doesn't have to be dressed like a woman. it makes a great loophole for the sex offense offenders. if anyone goingest in their neighborhood. >> a lot of sex offend remembers men who molest men, who molest boys. why do you feel you need to sneak into the girl's room? >> it would be vice versa. itch four grand children and two children. i don't want an 8-year-old granddaughter walking into a bathroom with a 30-year-old man there. >> one else does. >> what if that man looks like a woman and she would never know this is -- >> pardon? >> what? this man looks like a woman. >> this is what you are missing. >> i don't think i'm missing

anything. >> megyn, laws like this would allow in the man at any time dressed any way to go in a bathroom because they feel like a woman. >> do you have a problem with that? >> pardon? i'm losing you a little bit. >> is this a problem with man intentionally donning women's clothing so they can sneak into we will have problems in our schools if we have fwois and girls showering together. megyn, this goes against common sense and common decency. >> okay. >> women deserve privacy in the bathroom, safety in the bathroom. there is no need for this policy. this is a solution in seven of a problem. there isn't a problem. again, the president needs to stay out of local school districts. let the parents, the school board, let the superintendent. >> that's where i'm going to pick it up with mike. >> in shirley texas this would be turned down by 60,.0, 80% of the parents. >> i've got to -- lieutenant governor, thank you for being here. my apologies. let's pick it up there, mark

fowler, pick up that point whether -- even if you believe as lieutenant governor does, the point is does the obama administration have the authority to do this? >> i don't think they do. this is a completely lawless action. just like their executive action on illegal immigration. they simply issued an edict in the middle of the night informing school districts across the country and public universities that you have to follow this policy or we are going to withhold -- >> i thought it was guidance. >> it's guidance but it says you can lose millions of dollars in federal funding which by the way guess for poor children and disabled children for the moet part and they are threatening the school districts. if you don't comply -- this is what the obama administration does. i think we can all agree this is a big change in society. when you want to make that change, instead of going out and trying to find consensus and make their case to the american people they go out andic issue an executive order and find some

law they can reinterpret. >> rather than bringing the people along. >> exactly. >> richard, they have not been having a lot of success in getting buy in. go ahead. >> here's the thing, megyn. the federal government has the ability to release guidance. they do it all the time. what is problematic with the mark and the govern's argument is the idea they can't do this, this is wrong for society, they are forgetting these are children, too. these are people's kids who happen to be transgendered. and all they want to do is pea? >> and the fact we won't let them pea in the bathroom they want to is despicable. >> the problem with that -- little girls with a girl's body will be in the lieutenant governor's opinion traumatized by the sight of a child that has a boy's anatomy but identifies as girl coming into the locker room. >> megyn, i think kids are the most understanding people in the world.

right? i think if you were to talk to children, you talk to them in the jim krou south, the reason they didn't like black people is because their parents had a problem with black folks. or their parents have a problem with transgender folks. we have to redefine how we talk about inclusion in this country. school should be a safe and inclusive environment. the governor is right, it's about reading and writing and math. but it's also about being a well rounded citizen. >> mark, do you think -- in the same way -- we've come a long way when it goms to gay rights in this country. we are at the precipice of new rights and new acceptance of transmen and transwomen, this is the beginning of it, bumpy as it may be. >> i don't think this is about acceptance. i think it's a compassionate society where the transgender people deserve protection. so does everybody else. the problem isn't so much a

transgender person walking into a women's room and someone else being traumaatized by it. the problem is sex predators could pretend to be transgender -- >> mark -- >> let me finish my point. the fact is, it's defined by how you feel. okay. jenner the identity -- >> that's what gender is. it's folks struggling with that issue. they don't think gender should be determined by anatomy. >> every time republicans use this argument, give me one example where a transgendered woman. >> it's not a transgender woman. >> yes it is. >> it's a sex predator pretending to be a transgender. >> mark is saying there is a fear of men in trans -- and people taking advantage. i have got to go. great to see you both [ overlapping speakers ] >> this is a timely topic, as many of you are aware i have a

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tonight chicago police may very well get a call with a murder in the next few hours if city crime stats are any predictor. more than 200 people have been killed in that city in the you first four months this year. it's not just chicago n. l.a., more than 100 murdered this year. in baltimore, similar number. that is just the murder rate. it's so bad nationally that the fbi director said this week, i don't know what the answer is. but holy cow do we have a problem. it's complicate, hard issue, but the stakes couldn't be higher. a whole lot of people are dying. in a moment, charles crowd hammer is here. but first we go to trace gallagher with our investigation. >> reporter: two years ago lee mccullom the third was featured in the cnn documentary chicagoland. he was pointed to as an example of a troubled young man who had been shot twice but with the help of ground breaking programs, he moved away from gang vie skplens got into college. at the time, he said one of his

big worries was ending up back on the streets. it was on those streets early yesterday where the 22-year-old mccullom was shot and killed. chicago police say he was a documented gang member who lost his girlfriend in a shooting less than a month ago. but lee mccullom is just one tragic tale is what is now an alarming trend. a skyrocketing murder late in more than 20 major cities. in the first three months of this year, chicago has seen 141 murders, compared to 83 in thestr first three months of last year. the murder rates in vegas and dallas have almost doubled with more than a dozen other cities seeing a sharp increase. new york and miami are among the few cities seeing a decrease. and after checking the numbers, fbi director james comey says he believes the uptick in murder could be linked to the viral video effect, also called the ferguson effect, where officers are less aggressive for fear of ending up on the news. last year, comey called it a

chill wind. listen. >> that wind is made up of a whole series of viral videos and the public outcry that followed them. and that wind is surely changing behavior, my common sense tells me. >> the white house disagrees, saying there is no evidence violent crime is related to an unwillingness of police officers to do their jobs. megyn. >> trace, thank you. joining me now, charles crowd hammer, a fox news contributor. and author of the book things that matter. the stats are deeply disturbing. the question is why? why are we seeing this spike? >> well, i'm sure there is not just a single cause. but i do believe far more in comey than i do in the white house spinners as to whether the ferguson effect has contributed. i think it's sort of almost undeniable. first of all, the logic of it, as comey has outlined it, obviously, if you are a police

officer, you are called into baltimore for an incident in the inner city, you are surrounded by crowds taunting you, holding up the cell phones, are you going to want to act aggressively to try to put down what's whatever is going on? or would you simply shy away? i think the evidence is a cop out of logic and self preservation is going the shy away, particularly after having seen how when she is incidents happen the white house and the department of justice have in the past lined up with those who blame the police as for example, in ferguson. >> uh-huh. >> so that's the logic of it. you have the anecdotal evidence, cops will tell you of course there is this element of i'm going to be tagged, i'm going to be filmed and i'm going to be ruined. and then you have the statistics, which seem to back it up. baltimore is the most extreme example. that's where they have the highest homicide rate ever. and that's the city where the sense of authority has been

dissipated. and when you lose that sense of authority, somebody in charge, this is what you get. >> you know, the administration says there is no evidence. there is no evidence tying this spike in the murder rate to anything they have done in cracking down on police departments. and they say the second point, those police departments they cracked down upon deserve it. >> deserving it is a separate argue. but when they say there is no evidence, what they are implying is that it is a complete coincidence that you get these kind of spikes in cities, again, like baltimore where we know we had the mayor telling the police to stand down in the middle of a riot. that i think has an affect on the -- first, on the bad guys in the city who want to do damage, a sense that there is nobody in charge. and second, on the thin blue line. why do you want to risk everything? your life is already on line

every morning that you go to work. do you want to make it even more dangerous and have less protection behind you, political protection, legal protection behind you by going into situations that you could simply just ignore or back away from? >> charles, to what extent is this attributable to the demonization -- there is no question that in some instances cops have done bad things. including, we saw that in chicago with that videotape and so on. and you know, there have been -- there has been misbehavior in some instances. but some are so determined to demonize cops as a group. and then oochb when those cops are exonerated -- exonerated as we saw with officer darren wilson in ferguson, missouri, refuse to admit it -- i'm remindsed of this exchange that i had with al sharpton who condemned officer darren wilson in ferguson and even when the d.o.j. exonerated him refused to come to terms with it.

watch this. >> let me take you back to ferguson, missouri and the case there against officer darren wilson. they said there was no evidence to disprove his statement that he was in fee of his life. >> first of all, if the d.o.j. said that, then that is contrary to what eyewitnesss -- so, if i say what i believe to be the case based on talking to several witnesses, i should apologize for what? >> this is our opportunity to come out and say, that stuff i said about him not being in fear for his life, that was wrong. >> no. i can say the d.o.j. said it was wrong. >> so he -- you know, he wouldn't take responsibility. >> well, he never does. this is guy who defended tuwana braly who was part of the hoax in which a completely innocent white detective or police officer was charged with terrible crimes against this young woman. it was a complete hoax. he knew it and then when he got sued, he said sue me if you think i wasn't telling -- so he got sued.

and apparently, he never paid the fine or whatever he was supposed to do. he has got a long history of this. and the fact that he is sort of an unofficial spokesman for african-americans in the obama years speaks loudly to how they have tended to put their thumb on the scale, people like him, who will jump to a conclusion for which in all the reports i think on ferguson those supposed eyewitness reports turned out to be false. >> totally uncredible. >> either deliberately so, or the same way that you get many, many cases, people mistake or misremember what they saw. >> uh-huh. and -- which is fine. then you learn new information and you adjust your opinion. but in his case, he would not. and it has -- it has an effect, because he has a very big microphone. charles it's great to see you, as always. >> my pleasure. >> also tonight, the must-see story of two very different

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>> just one tragic tale in what is now an alarming trend. a skyrocketing murder rate in 20 major cities. in first three months of the year, chicago has seen more murders than the first three months of last year. the murder rates in vegas and dallas almost doubled. new york and miami have seen a decrease.

the fbi director believes it could be linked to the viral video affect, called the ferguson effect, where officers aren't aggressive because they're afraid of ending up on the news. >> the wind is made up of a series of viral videos and public outcry that followed them. that wind is surely changing behavior, my common sense tells me. >> the white house disagrees saying there is no evidence violent crime is related to an unwillingness of police officers to do their jobs. megyn? >> thank you. joining me now, charles krauthammer, author of the book "things that matter". charles, good to see you. the stats are just deeply disturbing. and and impression is why? why are we seeing this spike? >> i'm sure there is not one single cause, but i do believe more in comey than i do on the

white house spinners as to whether the ferguson effect has contributed. it's almost undeniable. the logic of it. you're a police officer, called into baltimore for an incident into an inner city, surrounded by crowds, taunting you, holding up cell phones are you going to want to act aggressively to try to put down whatever is going on? or would you shy away? i think the evidence out of logic and self preservation is going to shy away after having seen how when these happen, the white house and the department of justice have in the past lined up with those who blame the police as for example inferring son. that is the lodge wrik of it. you have the antidotal evidence. cops will tell you there is an element of i'm going to be tagged, filmed and ruined.

then, you have statistics that seem to back it up. baltimore is where they have the highest homicide rate, ever. the sense of authority has been disip pated and when you lose that sense of authority, somebody in charge, this is what you get. >> you know, the administration says there is no evidence. there is no evidence tieing this spike in the murder rate to anything they have done in cracking down on police departments. they say as a second point, the police departments say they deserved it. >> deserving it is a second argument. but when they say there is no evidence, they're imp plying it's a coincidence you get these spikes in cities like baltimore, where we know we have had the mayor telling the police to stand down in the middel of a riot? that, i think has an effect on the first, on the bad guys in

the city who want to do damage, a sense this is nobody in charge and second, why do you want to risk everything? your life is on the line every morning you go to work. you want to make it more dangerous and have less protection behind you? political protection. legal protection by going into situations you can just ignore or back away from. >> to what extent is this attributable -- including we saw that in chicago with that videotape and so on. there have been misbehaviors but some are some determined to demonize cops as a group, then, when the cops are exonerated as we saw with officer darren wilson, refused to admit it. i am reminded of this exchange

with al sharpton who condemned officer darren wilson and when the doj exonerated him, refused to come toit. watch this. >> let make take it back to ferguson missouri and the case against darren wilson. they said there was no evidence to disprove he was in fear for his life. >> if the doj said that, that is contrary what eyewitnesss saw. so if i say what i believe to be the case based on several witnesses i should apologize for it? >> this is your opportunity to say that stuff i said about him not being in fear for his life, that was wrong. >> no. i can say the doj said it was wrong. >> so he won't take responsibility. >> well, he never does. this is a guy that defended part of the hoax in which complexly innocent white detective, or

police officer was charged with terrible crimes against this young woman. it was a complete hoax. he knew it. then, he got sued, he said sue me. he got sued and apparently he never paid the fine or whatever he was supposed to do. he's got a long history of this. the fact he's sort of unofficial spokesman for african americans, under the, in the obama years speaks loudly to how they have tended to put their thumb on the scale, of people like him, who will jump to a conclusion for which, in all of the reports on ferguson, those supposed eye witness reports, turned out to be false. >> totally uncredible. >> either deliberately so, or the same way that you get in many, many cases, people mistake or misremember what they saw. >> which is fine. then, you learn new information and adjust your opinion. but in his case he would not and

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now to a powerful story that gave rise to a compelling campaign, one that could touch the lives of every working couple who chooses to have a child. last year two mothers came face to face with unthinkable tragedy when they lost their infant sons in child care in two unrelated incidents. amber scora and alley dodd say

if the feds made one change, their sons might be here today. now the two women are uniting and challenging washington to do something. they are with us in moments. first, trace gag ger has more on how they got here. trace? >> reporter: megyn, amber gave birth last year. after maternity leave she went back to her job at a new york publishing company the pay the bichls one morning she took her son carl to day care for the first time when she came back to feed him three hours later carl was on a changing table his lips and mouth blue, the day care owner performing cpr which amber says was incorrect. carl didn't make it and his cause of death remains unnoun. allen dodd of oklahoma also had a son and also went back to work early to make ends meet. the first day she dropped 11 week old at day care, she got a call this he wasn't breathing. he slipped down in his unbuckled

car seat and suffocated. nower in fating for job protected paid parental leave because they know their stories is not unusual. for each month that a woman has maternity leave, infant deaths go down 13%. in a new york times op ed amber writes, quoting this isn't about day care safety. this is is the isn't an indictment of the company i work for. i had one of the better parental leave policies i know. the problem is in a my infant died in the company of a stranger. he should have been with me. so far, their change.org

petition has nearly 75,000 signatures. i'm joined now by amber scora and alley yad. let me start with you, amber and the piece you wrote in the times. it was powerful. this is still new and raw for both of you because you lost your son a year and a monday ago and it's been not even a year for you. >> no. >> i know this is hard to talk about. let's just start with what happened on the day that you lost carl. you dropped him off at day care. it was the first day? >> yeah, that's right. like most parents, the first day at day care is always full of angst. and i had been particularly anxious because i didn't feel ready to go back to work and i had tried to find other options to get a little more time. but ultimately, because of our circumstances, i couldn't quit my job lt so i dropped him off and went to work. then when i got back, i was going to feed him at lunch. i was expecting to see him

smiling and excite to see me because that was the first time i had ever left him. instead, i didn't know anything was wrong. but i had walked in. i guess the day care owner just discovered him unconscious and she was giving him cpr. >> there was no resuscitating him? >> no. >> and you wrote in the times piece, our sweet son died two and a half hours after the first time i left him. and your point -- both of your point is that you left him too early. that you felt you had no choice but to leave him too early as so many mothers feel because of the absence of paid leave. >> yeah, that's true. i mean, i definitely think what unites alley and i in our stories is that we both -- of course known for sure if things would have turned out differently if carl had been with me that day. but we feel if we had had longer with our sons it's likely that things would have turned out differently. >> alley, your son shepherd died in similar circumstances. you left him at day care.

and he was placed in his car seat unsupervised, slipped down, and suffocated. >> uh-huh. >> you know, you, defense there was a lot about the prouss cess you did not know, but one thing you did know you were not ready to separate from him yet. >> but i had to i knew -- i had a date that i had to return to work. and if i didn't return to work, i would not only lose my job but also lose my health care. >> it wasn't the money exactly, it was the health benefits you needed to hold on to. >> it was a huge -- when you have a child, especially a baby, you have well checks things can go badly in an instant. that's why we're here talking about paid leave because it's about the safety and well-being of our kids, and being able to provide that for them. >> how did you find out that something had happened with shepherd? >> i got the most terrible phone call that no parent ever wants to get.

she just called, and i said health hello. and she said get here quick, shepherd's not breathing. and my world fell apart. >> you said he was big and he was healthy. >> i had actually forgotten how big. 17 pounds. he was huge. he was so strong. so healthy. there was no reason for this to happen to my family. >> do you feel like if you had been with him, you know, if he hadn't been in the day care, it wouldn't have happened. >> i think amber and i both feel that way. and i think there are a lot of parents out there that feel that if they had more time with their children that we could prioritize our families and that we could make sure that we get them the best start in life. >> it's not about blaming day care. because a lot of parents are out there with their children in day care thinking oh, my god. it's not about that? >> no. our stories are the worst of

every parent. and the vast majority of day care operators are wonderful. that's not what this is about. the point is if we had longer with our sons, or if -- all the millions of parp in america had longer, there wouldn't be the situation where people that are even in worse situations than us who have to go back to work in two weeks, custom is what a quarter of american women have to do. >> two weeks -- there is something very wrong with that. you say the risk peaks between three and miles an hour months. how long ideally would you shoot for for moms to get paid leave. >> there is one advantage to america being one of the only countries in the world without paid leave. that is there is a lot of evidence for when is the ideal time as far as both to do with

infant death reducing infant death and with development. >> what is it? >> there was a study that just game out from mcgill university that says with every additional month of paid leave infant death rates go down 13%. obviously that's not infinite -- >> what is the argument to -- you know, you are conservative, some conservatives will say you don't want more government mandates, you want to just shame companies into doing it. >> i think from a conservative point of few you have to look at paid leave from a family values stand fointd and realize that you are going to make the family stronger. you are going to make it safer. and this is -- paid leave and allowing parents to have more time with their children is going to do something but improve that situation and make sure that the health and well-being of that child is the best that it can be. >> not all companies respond to

shame. not all kpts can bank roll paid leave. this is why we think it needs to be more of a national universal solution. >> what if they can't bank roll it? what do they do? they say we are going to go out of business. >> i have had a small business before. i don't think that small businesses can bank roll every employ qulee's paid leave. in new york state it doesn't cost businesses a penny. for the employees it's a contribution of about a dollar a wee. that is something that every small business could abide by, and it bunt be a burden. >> obviously, you are both pregnant. >> yes. >> and icon grat late you on the new beginnings. i he no it is no soothing balm to your loss. but thank you for being here and talking with us about this.

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