the factor. again, thanks for watching us tonight. glenn beck supposed to be here tomorrow. the spin stops here. we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, donald trump takes the lead in a hypothetical matchup against hillary clinton, it comes as mr. trump readies for the fight of his political life. welcome to the kelly file, everyone, i'm megyn kelly. in the past 24 hours we have seen new reports suggesting that donald trump is ready to change his image. addressing some of his most controversial remarks. he's not the man hillary clinton and her supporters would have you believe. this shift in tone evidenced in my own sitdown with him aired last night on the fox broadcasting network. to the brand new fox poll that shows donald trump leading hillary clinton in a head to head matchup, with 45% of the vote to her 42%. trump has seen a 10 point

increase since the fox news poll in april. thanks to a surge in support from independents. and that is where we begin with carl cameron reporting tonight from new york city. >> this is an important poll for donald trump. it shows nationwide in terms of the popular vote, donald trump has the capacity today in polls to actually beat hillary clinton. let's go to the graphics and talk about the internals which show a very stark picture. 41% view trump favorably. that's a jump of 10 points to his benefit since march. 56% of the voters view him unfavorably. clinton's popularity is in worse shape. she's gone down to a new low of 37% favorable. and her unfavorable is at a new record, 61%. put a different way, that's 2 out of 3 americans who don't like her. when it comes to trust and honesty, they're both in trouble.

57% in the fox poll say they do not find trump honest or trustworthy. clinton is in worse shape here as well. she's not honest and trustworthy. only 31% believe she is. with that type of negativity at this point, the candidates have no tactic or strategy other than trying to eliminate the ability of any candidate from being successful. trump took a positive note and tried to boost his own campaign by releasing the names of 11 potential supreme court picks. people that he consulted through the heritage foundation as well as the federalist society. these are jurists and people around the country who got a clean bill of health from them. and trump is trying to do is reassure conservatives and republicans that they can trust him too keep the court conservative. otherwise, we are looking at a lesser of two evils election that is going to be one of the

nastiest in modern history. megan? >> thank you. >> in our special last night i questioned donald trump specifically, on some of his more controversial remarks. and asked if anyone ever hurt him. watch? >> the comment about john mccain, you prefer people who weren't captured, the comment about carly fiorina's face. do you regret any of those comments? >> yeah, i guess so, but you have to go forward. you make a mistake, you go forward, you know, you can correct a mistake. to look back and say, gee whiz, i wish i didn't do this or that, i don't think that's good. in a certain way, i don't think that's health why i. >> has it happened that somebody has done something to you? not a death in the family, has done something to you to wound you? >> i will say this. when i am wounded, i go after people hard. and i try to unwound myself. >> most american parents try to raise their kids to not bully, to not name call, not tease, not

taunt. how can they effectively bring in a message, when the front-runner for the republican nomination does all of those things? >> well, i do really -- i've been saying during this whole campaign, i respond. i then respond times ten, i don't know. i respond pretty strongly. in just about all cases, i've been responding to what they did to me. it's not a one way street. >> stewart stevens is a former mitt romney campaign strategist. bill bennett served as secretary of education under president reagan and hosts the bill bennett pod cast. good to see you both. your thoughts about the interview and what we saw from donald trump? >> great interview. good for you. but particularly good for donald trump. seriousness, a tone of seriousness. you played a few experts. i almost fell out of the chair when i heard all quiet on the

western front was his favorite book. that's a serious book that his critics have not read, believe me. look at the last day. apart from the poll, that interview in which we saw a seriousness of purpose, seriousness of mind, they released a number of names. he visits henry kissinger, it gets hard to continue to say this guy is a bore, he has no idea who to talk to. he has no serious policy direction. he had a very good day. >> what did you make of it? >> i thought it was the interesting side of donald trump you don't get to see. the question is, just sort of as the campaign begins, where is it going to end, his ability to sustain this. both of these candidates are in a terrible place. they're both unelectable. one of them will win. i think the challenge to donald trump is to be able to reach out, expand those who voted for

him. >> does he make a step in that direction? being a presidential candidate is all about how you react to stress. you're going to have bad days on the campaign. you're going to have. >> what about -- i asked him why he got so angry after the first debate. he was talking about how he didn't like that question at all. what's going on here that explains his anger for that time. >> i think the biggest challenge for donald trump is not to allow other people to modulate how you feel. when you are nice to him, when one is nice to him. he responds the same way. you have to be willing as president of the united states for people to be terrible to you and not respond in kind. he has to show he can do that. zbrl at the end of the interview he said, i asked him if he doesn't win, will this have been a waste of time? he said it would be a complete

and utter waste. >> at least we opened people's eyes to new horizons. it would have been a waste of time, waste of money. candor is what he brings. i agree with what stewart said, he's the expert on this. trump can continue to go in this direction. he can also make up a lot of ground, megan by saying i'm sorry i'm borish. >> if he didn't say it there in that exchange, where he suggested that he didn't remember the retweets on bimbo and his own tweet using that word. that's what he wants people to believe that he didn't remember it, he came as close as he can. >> he came maybe as close as he can. maybe he can get a little closer, maybe you can get him a little closer. he can talk about the fact that he's been borish and doesn't have to be. he can show he's not borish. it's an easier problem than

saying i'm boring. which is whathillary's problem is, and i'm not going to be in the future. >> the bore and the boring? >> he had a very good day. he should learn from this, i hope he does. we need a serious candidate. i hope he continues on this path. >> the conservatives really like his supreme court picks. what go make of these polls that show him ahead of hillary? >> they're good news for republicans. >> how important are they? >> i think it's important. if he's ahead we would say it's important. >> the last time we had an open election, mccain was seven up. she wins the nomination, would go up by the other side's fighting. the real question is for the democrats, they have a party that's very split now. how are they going to be able to put this together on a unified front? >> we're not seeing that so far. >> now they're talking about a possible contested convention for the dems.

go ahead quickly. >> but trump's not taking body blows any more from any of the other republicans. and she is continuing to take body blows from bernie sanders. both from the supporters and these results. each one of these results is depressing. >> who sees no reason to get out from what we can tell. >> no, he's not going. >> it's a pleasure. >> thank you. thank you. >> my interview with donald trump earning lots of viewers and reviews last night. it was the second most watched show on tuesday in 2016. for that we thank all of you. it also urged the scourge of many in the mainstream media because it was not a takedown of trump. many of these critics failed to expose their own bias against trump, against fox news or against the gop. here's just a few examples. james warren of pointer.org writing for vanity fair called it as soft as a grape session. this is the same man who

dismissed the republican party as anti-female. eric wemple called trump a bigot and massagenist. i should dismember donald trump. he's upset i didn't get personal about what trump's behavior has done to my life. hank said, i brought too much attention to myself. he found the sitdown uninformative. more informative, hank's true opinion of donald frump. amy davidson of the new yorker said i surrendered to trump, who she dismisses as a brazen liar. this is the same woman who in january accused fox news of using yours truly as a debate moderator because it's fun to show off the oddity of a smart blond. joining me now, howie kurts. good to see you.

it's possible some of these folks don't like trump or republicans and wanted to see me take him out. >> first of all, a high pronile interview like this is fair game for all the critics out there, it does bother me when critics who despise trump aren't upfront about that and would not have been happy with any interview that didn't leave him a bloody mess. a bigoted quasi fascist fraud, of course this man is going to slam any sitdown where you didn't take a baseball bat to the guy's head. >> would these media figures have the same reaction, would they want a humorless, tough as nails, dismembering interview with hillary clinton or is it just when it's a republican named donald trum snp. >> i think the question answers itself. hillary detractors may not have

liked it if you had -- and i hope you will have a cordial exchange with her. this was an interview that was awkward at times as you said. getting him to express some regret, even use the word mistake as we saw in that clip. at times you got him to share some personal feelings which he's loathed to do, and at times that was difficult. some people may not have liked the personality based soft focus interview. they wanted a drilldown on the issues. the kind of interview you would have wanted on the kelly file. >> this was a different offering. the whole show was different. i'll tell you this, my own view is this guy of the washington post gets it right again. he's written many things in the election season. anyone who expected kelly to shred trump for his conduct toward her must not have been paying to the policy of

nonengagement since last summer. an angry altercation would have made exciting television, but it would have been wildly inconsistent with kelly's conduct. i didn't want to engage there. i wasn't going to bring up the bimbo think. we had to set that up a bit so we knew what we were talking about if it went there. i was loathed to get up there and go poor me and look what you did to me. >> they all wrote pieces in advance that were about you and trump. one other factor here, i think during those nine months when he was frequently attacking you on personal terms on twitter and elsewhere. you did not personally respond there was an enormous amount of sympathy from the mainstream media for you. that vanished when you dared to have a cordial conversation with donald trump and that may have changed some people's views. >> that's exactly right. as i said, right from the

beginning of this thing, i was never going to love him. and i was never going to hate him. and those who assumed either one assumed too much. howie? thank you. >> good philosophy for all politicians and journalists. i will say that time gave a lovely review. there was one. he said some lovely things. i'm going to hold on to that one tonight when i go to bed. what did you think, let me know. @m @megynkelly. up next, we have a powerful panel of women in politics with what we may be seeing here and why. here they are. mark zuckerberg today met with some of the best known folks in the country. the democrats are so divided that party insiders are now publicly worrying the democrats convention this summer could wind up looking like chicago in '68.

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have you made any mistakes in this campaign? you have said publicly you thought the retweet about heidi

cruz was a mistake. >> well, i said i could have done without it to be exact. i guess you could say she's fair game because she's very much involved with the campaign. >> but that -- you didn't like her look. >> we were having our little difficulty. you probably had some pretty nasty tweets sent your way. >> you retweeted some of those. not just the fans. >> not the nasty ones. you would be amazed at the ones i don't retweet. >> bimbo? >> did i say that? >> many times. >> okay. excuse me. over your life, megyn you have been called a lot worse, isn't that right? >> i said it's not about me. questions about his treatment of women have been all over the headlines. following a less than flattering front page article. some of the women have denounced the times piece, one in

particular, and now donald trump's daughter is coming to his defense, watch? . >> there's another woman quoted in the article that says donald trump groped her at a meeting, at a business meeting. i'm not -- my father is not a groper, it's not who he is. i've known my father my whole life, he has total respect for women. >> your dad loves to tweet. and he's call ed women crazy, crooked. that's what he's called hillary clinton. he even called them bimbo. do you ever look at those tweets and say, dad, tone them down a bit. >> i thought things should be toned down. not necessarily in relation to that. when i think about myself as a feminist, it's important that women are treated equally. he treats women and men equally. >> joining me now, katrina pearson.

kelly conway. and was head of a pro cruz act. let's start with he's a -- >> he's nasty with women, it doesn't get like that with men. discuss something equivalent to their menstrual cycle. these are very specific sexually disturbing targets, that are very unique to the female condition and being a woman. he thinks that's a weakness and he hits it. >> is she wrong? >> i think you have to look at the full measure of the man. donald trump can claim things

about women that his opponents can't. he's employed thousands of women. >> he gave luis sunshine a shot in real estate. when no woman had that tune. >> i feel there's no dispute about that. it should be more important. >> let's get to that next. frump's record of employing women and promoting barbara rez to the top of his country that is undisputed even by his worst critics, it's the messaging about women, the focus on their looks, the sexualization of them. that's what gets women. why is he telling me i should lay off the candy. >>. >> i will lay off the candy if i want to and you will keep your mouth shut about it. >> he did sort of step back and say, maybe i would choose words a little differently. i think that's a level of

humility. and that's a father and grandfather speaking. i have three daughters i don't want them to be talked about that way. i would like to have the opportunities he's provided other people and i think you see in these most recent polls, women are starting to make their own judgment. there's going to be a saturation for america's women of negative information about donald trump. >> it's happening now. priorities has his ad out of his voice being mouthed out of women -- >> it breaks no news. by the way, i think it's uncoincidentally coming out at the same time as the new york times article. much of which has been disputed. i think they were a little over their skis on that article. >> we're starting to see republican women slowly but surely re-evaluate donald trump. he's up 10 points with them just since march. he's at 65% approval from republican women. that was before when we saw him in the interest screw with me, sits down with henry kissinger

today. bill bennett was saying, this is the beginning of trump's signaling. >> right, we've seen these numbers go up from the beginning of the republican primary. i've been saying, mr. trump has been able to close those unfavorable gaps in record time. if you haven't seen the criticism of male journalists. younger women today, they're not focused on the emotional aspects. that's why the clinton campaign is turning women off. this type of old fashioned feminism, it was supposed to be about encouragement and victimization. have you to make me feel better. women don't want a therapist for a president, they want a commander. >> they don't want to be insulted based on their gender. >> mr. trump's criticism is to appointment. he's not embracing this whole

concept of women. >> she raises the point about certain issues that only women have, that he allegedly made a comment about. those things and the comment about, you're not a 10, and if you're flat chested you can't be a ten. even if you like trump, it's like, would you stop making comments about women's breasts and all the rest of them. >> i think the most disturbing comments have about been sexuality. what he said to a celebrity apprentice contestant, you would look better on your knees. my skin crawled a little bit off me. even when he's trying to be complimentary, he still sounds skisdy. when he talked about his daughter and said i would date her. that's creepy to say. it seems like he has no sort of vocabulary for women that does not revolve around their sexuality and their justification. >> not that you hear 24/7. i think cherry picking, first of

all, certain things are disturbing. if you're going to cherry pick a tweet or half a comment and see that as the full measure of a man, i think that's unfair. this is why if the clintons want to relitigate what donald trump said in the '80s and 90s. they better be -- >> donald trump did not say what she just said, we hear mr. trump being quoted particularly -- >> it's been interpreted by different people different ways. >> let me ask you this, hillary, one of the questions is going to come up about her about whether she sat by and let james carville drag this $100 bill through the trailer park. did she stand up and say don't talk about women that way. it's not to compare her conduct to trump's exactly, does she have clean hands? have i ever called a woman a bimbo in my entire life?

i have not. and i never would. could she say the same? i don't know. >> these women are speaking out. i want to see cbs call kathleen wiley in this is what they want to focus on with mr. trump. those women are fair game. we're talking about hillary clinton's conduct and it's completely relevant. >> not only did i ask trump that debate question, i have had kathleen on the show, so there. >> great to see you. we have a sneak peak from an explosive behind the scenes report on the trump campaign. written by a man who spent the better part of five weeks embedded with the businessman's team. and we have both that reporter and eric trump here to react to the news next. plus, mark zuckerberg trying to convince conservatives that there is no bias against them. we'll speak with two of the folks who met with him late today. and you're going to know these folks very well. >> everyone's lives are touched

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from an explosive behind the scenes look for the trump for president campaign. from early march to mid april. new york times magazine reporter embedded with the trump team. trying to capture the chaos and the contender in a unique way. he wrote the results in a piece with mr. trump's wild ride. down the home stretch with the impossible nominee. here to weigh-in in moments is eric trump. mr. trump's son and campaign adviser. first we go to robert draper, writer for the new york times magazine. >> for those who haven't read it, what is the headline? what's your takeaway? >> donald trump is the manager of his own campaign. he's the communications director for his own campaign. these notions of trying to curb mr. trump, trying to make him more presidential.

haven't worked, and not because of the incompetence of members of his campaign, but that's because that's the way trump wants it much. >> there was a moment where they brought in paul maniford to manage the conventions. you talk about a moment where trump put him in his place when it comes to managing the media. >> there was a press release that trump wanted to put out relating to a woman the trump campaign had briefly considered hiring. he had written a few untoward tweet tweets. trunlp wanted to counter punch as he tends to do. paul maniford called in pleading with trump not to put it out there. trump said, don't tell me how to do pr and the statement he did go out.

>> what is the biggest revelation in the piece? >> i think there are a few things that -- again, as you know, megyn, trump is charmingly uncensored. he said some things to me for example when asked about. when i asked him, where is the most dangerous place in the world he visited. he joked and said brooklyn. and then he said, oakland and ferguson are are two of the dangerous places in the world. i think he has a constrained view of the world. to suggest that mogidishu and oakland are comparable. >> he had that moment with chris matthews, whether a woman getting an abortion, if abortion were made illegal should be punished. this is what he said. >> you believe in punishment for abortion? yes or no as a principle. >> the answer is, that there has

to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman. >> yeah, there has to be some form. >> ten years, what? >> i don't know. >> why not? >> i don't know. >> you take positions on everything else. >> i do take positions on everything else. it's a complicated position. >> he walked that back and he changed it even more. >> what he said to me was, what he meant to say was women already punish themselves, there shun the be any jail punishment for them. they are already punishing themselves for having committed an abortion. trump after he made those remarks went offstage. his campaign team said we should talk about this, he said, no, it's fine. it's only when he was besieged with media requests, not only by members of the media, but by ceo's did chris christie's political staff actually draft a message that kind of threaded the needle twin the pro life movement and the concerns of women. >> if he walked off that stage,

it was flagged for him as an issue. he was like, no, i don't want to change it? >> that's what i'm telling you. >> fascinating. thanks for being here tonight. >> joining me now with more, eric trump. >> eric, good to see you. what do you make of that. your dad stood by that controversial statement until he was hit with the advice of many campaign staffers saying, you can't stick by that. >> i think it's refreshing. how many candidates, they're being coaxed by 400 people. nothing they say has meaning, everything's so scripted. here's a man who speaks from the heart, a man who likes to control his campaign. here a guy who spent 1/20 of what every other candidate has spent and he's the republican nominee. >> that's not really on point. trump's unfiltered nature is something people love about him. what happened here, he said something really dicey.

and it sounds like the christie people and others are saying, you have to walk that back. first he said, no, i'm good, and then he said -- he did walk it back. he came up with another explanation. that's what the reporter is saying. >> i think that's part of being a candidate. sometimes mistakes are made, and things are said. he's not reading off a teleprompter, remember that, megyn. >> what does he actually feel? that's what we're trying to get to. what he said in a statement that reversed it? >> i think it's a tough issue. i'm not a guy that talks about social issues. i think it's a personal issue and a tough issue, he spent a lot of time talking about the exemptions. and he spent a lot of time talking about the nuances of that position. it's a difficult one, i mean, it really is. i think he's seen people struggle with that issue every day. including people who are in politics their entire life.

it's a americanal issue. >> what did you make of -- you run the hotel which is good. what did you make of the story about your dad. the reporter is talking about how he runs his communications and he's done an effective job with the media, about the whole john miller, john baron thing? >> my father does run it, no different than he ran the hotels, the golf courses. he likes to be involved in the details. i saw that thing, the miller thing, it didn't sound like him. even if it was him quite frankly, it's 40 years ago. when i saw it, it didn't. even if it was, it was 40 years ago, i don't hold much relevance to the whole thing. i think it's actually nice to see somebody that is intimately involved. it's the difference between someone who's very macro and micro, and someone who is a doer versus a dictator and someone who's a delegator, i think that's refreshing, i want to see the person in the white house ultimately.

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breaking tonight, we're getting a firsthand account of a highly publicized meeting between mark zuckerberg and several high profile conservatives. the meeting came on the heels of a bombshell report claiming that facebook intentionally prevents conservative stories from trending on its popular site. joining me now, two people who sat face to face with zuckerberg today, dana perino and former white house press secretary under george w. bush. >> great to see you both. you look adorable. like you're getting ready to go to the senior prom together. your parents are going to pick

you up in a limo behind us. >> and by senior you mean old. >> you look like 16 tonight. it's amazing you were white house press secretary at 13. let's dive in and figure out what happened at this meeting. let me start with the headlines. he hasn't admitted any fault in his most recent statement he said, we have no evidence that this report is true. which has led to websites to say, you guys are being played, he's using you for cover so he can say, i met with the conservatives and there's nothing to worry and you are but pawns in his game. i'll let you take that one. >> i didn't get that sense. i will tell you this. from the mood of the meeting, they definitely don't think this is a joke. they didn't think this meeting was a cover your you know what with the conservatives and placate them. i found them to be pretty genuine and sincere and they

acknowledged that they have a trust problem with a significant portion of their customer base and they were trying to figure out a way, at least a first step to open a dialogue so they can try to fix it in the long run. >> you actually run a conservative website, the daily caller. >> i do. >> you were one of the victims in this case, if they're doing it. >> were you persuaded they're going to do something differently? >> i'm persuaded to worry. i run a business that's highly reliant on facebook. and so i understand the power, far more powerful as a disemanater of news. they're the most powerful ever. self-aware enough to know that, to know they have a huge problem with conservatives, they don't trust them. secrecy is the heart of what they do. you don't know what's in it. you have to trust them in order to play along with them. they get that they need to do a lot of work to persuade conservatives. the case we made was look,

everyone who works at facebook shares the same set of political presuppositions. is that a problem itself? we sort of acknowledge that yeah that's a problem. >> it's tough to find a bunch of conservatives in menlo park, dana? >> if they want to fill the rink with conservative leaning young people. but the question is, how can they fix a problem they don't acknowledge exists? >> i think there are a couple things, megyn. this issue that sparked this meeting was really just the straw that broke the camels back. there were a lot of concerns raised that had nothing to do with the particular issue of the trending topics which is at issue, was facebook, do they have some contractors that were suppressing conservative viewpoints and news. in order for liberal viewpoints and news to rise to the top. that was a specific issue that brought us all here. i think on that side of things

as we were listening to them. that part of the business was relatively new, the news feed everyone uses every day, the trending topics thing is new, and they know they have a lot of work to do. there were lots of concerns raised about their policy on community standards, who gets blocked and for what. and what was interesting, we were pushing on an open door, they recognize that they have a problem. and it's based on trust. it takes years to build this trust and a moment to lose it. you don't have a lot of other places to go right now, so facebook is this very popular platform that a lot of people are using, there was a willingness from conservatives to say, we know we need you. but you need us too. >> conservatives have high interaction on facebook and fox news in particular has high interaction on facebook. >> glenn beck was there, you were all in there together or was it just -- how does it work?

>> that's the interesting question, unfortunately we're bound by this. we've agreed not to -- >> that doesn't count. >> let me characterize it this way. a group of conservatives is as united as the republican party is right now, which is not very. so it ran the gamut, you had a couple people that sucked up -- you're so wonderful, we're glad to be with you, and you have other people that are asking questions. the conservatives don't believe in the kind of action that would force a business to comply. a liberal group would show up, we're going to boycott you, call you names. they don't believe in using the power of government to crush businesses they disagree with. >> love you guys both. enjoy the prom. thanks for doing this. >> drive safely. >> the fight between bernie sanders and hillary clinton has become so ugly that party insiders are warning the democratic convention could end up looking like chicago at '68.

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