london are doing the same thing. those are the things we'll be doing. one thing i've noticed is that the last four that show up is off shore a bit. and if egypt air said they tracked ten miles inland or is it the point over the occasion? they can hopefully find items. you don't know what the signs are that lead to miraculous survival. they're going to try to get to the location right away whenever that might be. looking at another map coming to us at a flight website shows the

location north and west. and over land. so that is a large area. and this will be a different situation when it comes to trying to find a situation. you hope, somehow, someone can survive this. you don't know. but you're hoping that is the case. >> yes. absolutely. anything else that crossed your mind that we haven't touched on yet? your first knee jerk reaction? >> my first reaction is oh, god. i spoke with my middle east contacts yesterday.

there is significant concern about weapons that made into that area, the so called arab spring turned out to be a negative for security in the region. they're very concerned. first thing that went through their mind is no guns and ended up being half. they had that thought for significant number of months. viewers know we're not speculating whatsoever. we're giving a list of what the possibilities are. that is what's happening now with our folks, our intelligence folks. they're putting out possibilities. and there are a plethora of them. you hope it's not terrorists. but in this day and age, that crosses most people's minds. >> we talked about security being super tight in paris. this is 37,000 feet, when that radar was lost. then, you mentioned the, you

know, the likelihood of the fact that there is concern about shoulder to air missiles. what is the probability of something being able to reach from the ground from 37,000 feet? >> that is a good question. is it over water? or lower? if this is going to be lower into the airport, it could have been, if it is inland over land, most likely. it's going to be significantly lower than that. the lower, the more easier it is. i think it the case. it's going to be the number one thing right now. as everybody else is trying to

figure out what happened here, number one priority is where is it? they're going to be figuring out that situation. is it where egypt air said it was? or other folks say it was moreover water. so they're going to have to kind of see which one is right. and where is this last point of contact? >> we've been getting records of when they lost contact. if it was 10 miles inside egypt's air space, it would make sense if coming in to get at the end of the trip it might be lower than that. so it will be interesting to see how that unfolds. >> one of of the things to keep in mind there is so much unrest,

and you know, i don't know how well they're regarded in aviation. i know that it's some countries don't have much in the way of technology or training. it isn't the same as you might find in other countries in africa and europe and the middle east. i don't know how accurate that is in egypt. that is something to keep in mind, also. i won't know the aviation officials would know that. they'd be able to say right away, we know that. and we know which are going to be more trust worth yes and those that aren't. it's the nature of our country in this day and age. they're going to look at air space. that is a trust worthy source? or hit or miss? they're going to go with the

next strongest, most likely correct point. we're not going to know that. right now, it may have been that it look like they're trying to see sites that are pretty respectable, looks like they're starting to look over land first. and so that is what i'm getting from one person over there. it's going to be obviously, in that situation keep in mind your going to have anyone who can, anyone who can respond, any naval ship, anything in that region is going to be asked to keep up to be a look out to help try to find where the plane went

down. so that is a normal thing done around the world. >> and absolutely. this is very new. everything is just happening over the last several hours and as we get information we'll get it out there. adam housley we appreciate your help and hope to check back in with you as we get more information. >> thank you. the egypt air flight vanished over the med terrainin south of turkey and egypt sif aviation says search and rescue teams are looking for that plane.

we're not aware if there are threats before the plane went missing. france and egypt have had their transportation attacked in recent years. there are no reports to suggest this is an act of terrorism. joining us now to discuss the disappearance is kathleen bangs. thank you for sticking with us. any other updates or new thoughts? >> well, i mean one of the things i would like our viewers to understand the last accident they may have heard about in this area of the world was the metro jet, the russian charter jet that went down last year. this is a poorly run airline, a

whole different situation here. what you have here is egypt air. it's been operating since the early 1930s. so this is a substantial company. they operate over 50 large jets similar in size to air bus a320. there have been other news outlets reporting it. and it does appear to have been an air bus a320. so those reports were correct. >> so how would you say that the airline industries in egypt, any

differences of note between what we're used to here in the u.s. and states may or may not do differently there. >> what we saw malaysia was woe fully unready to deal with something on that scale. and we saw that the egyptian government with their experience was somewhat ill prepared to deal with that. when you have an accident and you have european countries involved it's more transparent. for this one, they're probably more prepared. that is quite the drill for the egyptian airline industry, government, and military with

the metro jet accident. they're going to not want to make mistakes and hopefully be transparent on this. >> what are some of the lessons they might have learned you think would be a immediately applicable in this case? >> there are a lot of things found useful. there is satellite coverage where the data can be down loaded and you can look and see in that 1, 1 of the thissing things is that the airplane was supposed to have been, they found 1 or 2 what we call heat signatures. which to a lot of people indicated it was a missile. so, it did give them some

knowledge of we know there is something that went awry here. so there is things like that that we have thought of before. with the radar pings that the tracking pings that helped to determine two possible tracks. the northerly track or southerly track. they're able to figure out how much fuel and which direction to aid the search. it turned out pings were correct because of the pieces of debris that washed up in areas. this accident, as it looks like as mentioned 10 miles inside of

egyptian air space doesn't necessarily mean over egypt. they have territorial waters. it looks like is disappeared about 80 miles or half hour north of egypt and south of turkey. the question is what could go wrong on a flight after 37,000 feet at 2:45 in the morning in clear skies. so that does tend to lead people to think of terrorism. whether it's air asia or german wings co-pooilt march 2015 and

everything is going to be looked in to. you know, there will be no stone left unturned. this is a heavily traveled by ship. so we should be able to find out if there is debris on the surface which would be helpful. >> p they don't see debris, what are indications this could have been a hijacking? >> somebody making a claim they can show something. but with radar in the area, it would be difficult.

one lesson we learned from the malaysian crash just because you don't see wreckage doesn't mean there wasn't an accident. if this was an accident, the last image about 70-80 miles off the north shore if there was an accident, air bus a-320 did go into water we should see debris and oil slick fuel slick and russians coming to the surface, the smoking gun is that there is no distress call. now, we have had mechanical accidents in airlines for the last couple years and so the same area of the world.

they lost control so quickly. they had no time to radio a distress call. so we can't take the absence of a call necessarily meaning that there is something sm sort of nefarious intent there. >> they could have been too busy to make the call. kathleen bangs, thank you, again. we will check back in with you again. >> sure thing. >> thank you. >> joining us now on the phone with her insight is leah gabriel. thanks for joining us right now. >> hi, patricia. thank you for having me. >> what are your thoughts on this? 37,000 feet where we first find contact is lost. we're getting reports the airline is 10 miles within egyptian air space getting close to destination. does that sound right to you? >> when an airplane goes missing at 37,000 feet, all of a sudden,

disappears from radar, that is a unusual circumstance. usually, that means there are a number of thing that's could have happened. i know you're seeing the possibility of hijackers on board, we have to consider everything in today's global environment. and as a pilot, thr ways to signal people on the ground. you put a code on a transresponder if you're able to do that. you have to consider things outside of the airplane. people mentioned turbulence. that is unlikely looking at the weather and others have said so far it does not sound yet like weather might be a factor in this scenario. you'd have radar showing

aircraft descending for a plane to just disappear, that is a strange situation. i heard you speaking about conditions in the area. one thing i think is important is the environment in egypt now has not been good. particularly with back in july, islamic state affiliated militants claimed to carry out a missile attack on an egyptian faval vessel there in the mediterranean sea. >> yes. what would that that look like from the ground? let's say that that is a possibility. something p the ground came up to hit this plane. i assume witnesses would have seen this happen.

>> this is all still very new. they're trying to find remnants of the aircraft. what might have happened to it. just looking back to last july, or, last july there was video clips by islamic state-affiliated militants and they'd posted pictures online of an explosion on board a egyptian shift. officials said a coast guard vessel caught fire. it wasn't clear what happened there. some possibilities are in the region. at that time, it sounds likely from what our intelligence has

been. you have to look at what is going on and the growth in the area. egypt has a very, very large navy. somewhere around the sixth largest navy in the world. this aircraft is inside of ships and also u.s. faval ships that would be from my experience, we quickly tried to remind for other and expect we'll have egyptian ships looking in the area. another thing that is important to look at, i think you have to

look at what we've been able to find out. there is german wings incident but this that case, in this case, if you look back some of the not so far away history, in 1988 an iranian jetliner was shot down by a naval vessel. it's one of our sad moments in history from our u.s. navy. but that is the case where there had been hostilities in the region, the u.s. navy ship mistook that ship. there had been a gun battle with iranian boats at the time. there are different thing that's can happen here. you have to look at the catastrophic in the air at that

altitude for it to just go missing like that. >> let's talk about the possibility of not being terrorism. as a former pilot, i heard there has to be a succession of events. and so what are your thoughts on that? >> we can get more information that tells us that there was some data coming in. if they did disappear from radar, it would be unlikely that the pilot and crew could have been in touch with people on the ground indicating there is an emergency going on. something like an explosion. there have been incidents in the past where an aircraft has blown

up in the sky. people who believe after those things happened that there are conspiracy theorys and often times, you know, people wonder if what is said to happen actually happened but a bomb on board to blow apart, would cause it to go off radar. it's very strange for an airplane to completely disappear off radar. i'll wait to see if we hear more from folks on the ground maybe there was a indication of the plane descending. i do think in that small piece of sky, i think there will be indications of what happened because we do have such a high traffic of ships in the area.

i know in the u.s. navy, there is a command center in italy so i know what may have happened is. >> thank you so much. it remains to be learned and i'm sure we'll get more information, possibly, thank you for your insight on this. >> thank you. >> we'll speak to you later. so to recap, word out of europe an egypt air flight has disappeared from radar. the egypt air flight ms804 vanished south of turkey. the air bus a320 carrying 59 passenger and a crew of ten. the pilot had 6,000 hours of flying time. his plane at 37,000 feet and

disappeared just after entering egyptian air space. search and rescue teams are looking for the plane. we're not aware if there are threats before the plane went missing. trance and egypt have had their transportation networks targeted by islamic state in easent years. the airline has what might be described as a spotty safety record. in march an egypt airplane was hijacked and diverted to cypress a passenger admitted to the hijacking was behind that incident. in 1999 an egypt air jetliner crashed into the atlantic ocean near nantucket, killing all 217 people on board. u.s. investigators filed a final report that concluded co-pilot switched off the auto pilot and pointed the boeing downward.

egyptian officials insisted some mechanical reason caused that crash. joining us now on the phone is trace ghallager. trace is also a former pilot. trace, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. good to be here. >> good to have you. >> what are your thoughts on all of this that is unfold something. >> it is the key thing, you're going to have to wait hours to get information you're going to have officials talking to air bus, trying to find out if there are final transmissions that came from the air bus. and air asia crash you're talking about is an a320. so you're looking at a320 and wonder if it might have been

something with that. a-320 had a dozen crashes in 25-30 years. air asia crash the rule used to be planes just do not fall out of the sky. and then, i heard you talking this thing just went down because the pilot was so busy it turned out to be a rudder problem the pilot did not react to properly. and they tried to correct the problem and the plane went down in the sea before having a chance to get a mayday call up. these things take off and land every 2 or 3 seconds. the ratio of crashes, the flight is phenomenally low. we're talking about a-320 being one of the safest along with 777s. they're going to find out what

happened on board. somebody somewhere will have picked up pings from this aircraft before it went off radar. those are the things we're going to have to wait hours to find out. you look back to air france crash, in the cock p pilots were having so much trouble trying to figure out what is going on. they thought the plane was stalling and they just misred the instrument and three pilots rotating in could not figure out what is wrong and they flew the plane into the ocean. and it wasn't until months later before they found out what happened. so sometimes, in these

situations, it can be months, it can be years before you finally find out what happened. you know? you look back and we're still looking for answers on that one. >> yes. and can it be just a frustrating time consuming item. what would you say as far as getting information that people need to solve these riddles compared to when it happens in other places in the world? that might contribute to getting information we need. >> looking at malaysia air crash, everybody would agree it was mishandled and i think that the united states does this better than anyone. what they're doing now is we're

all looking for answers. the airlines are trying to get the families of the victims and passengers, they're trying to give answers as to what happened. if we're baffled you know the families are distraught and baffled. so right now, the airline's obligation is what happened to their loved ones at 37,000 feet. planes do not vanish out of the sky either something catastrophic or just was out of range of some station and didn't get picked up. so you've got french officials involved in this. and agencies are working around the clock trying to figure out what went on.

was it terrorism? we don't know right now. and if we're wondering can you imagine the agony the families are in? of these 69 people and crew? >> i can't imagine. it's everybody's worst nightmare. one aviation expert mentioned that 59 people on board, a smaller plane, his gut was that if this was terrorism, perhaps there is someone important on the plane. and i guess there would be a delay in getting that information. priority is getting to families first who may have lost a loved one. >> sure. and they'll look at things and the airplane and note they'll be looking at things like how many flight hours? average age is approximately 20

years old. so i don't know the age of the plane. if it was 18, you're talking about something maybe 60,000 flight hours on it. talking something that had 49,000 rotations and nights and so the investigators will be looking at these things and the rudder problem. that is something air bus took a look at. you get a lot of wheels in motion now. trying to get answers about where this might have disappeared. when the last hand off was and what the last communication, if any the pilot had.

majority will come if they find a plane from the cockpit voice recorder as well as anything that is said, any noise made will be on the so called black box. and then, everything will be reported and that would be the primary goal. once figuring out where to begin looking. >> right. >> i think when the first press conpresences come out, questions will be what we've been talking about now for the past hour, hour and a half, which is that

is the last thing we know? we learned more about what these planes are picking up and able to signal. every couple seconds, planes send off a signal to sell satellites hey, i'm still here. it could take a while so you get air bus working on this. and you've got egypt air working on this. and frevenl officials working on this. and we don't have the passenger list yet. were there americans? we don't know now. you can bet the first thing investigators are going to be doing is looking at what's

happening in the minutes before this a320 disappears. >> that is what it feels like, it simply disappeared. that is what we're waiting to hear. trace, we appreciate your time. and hope we can check back in with you. >> thank you. joining us on the phone is adam housley for his insight into hostility that plagued the region in recent years. thanks for joining us. for people just tuning in, learning about egypt air flight going missing why don't you help us understand what the temperature is and what some possibilities might be? >> obviously, any time you have a situation like this, it goes

into overdrive. did anything come across? from different terror groups. there were no distress calls made, that puts them on a higher alert if you can go higher. that is quite a way to get away from something potentially nefarios. in the last year, we've been told those that monitor are here in the military and they'll tell you that it's very unstable. we know that from what happened in the train, backfired a lot of

ways. and we know egypt air is unstable. we know there have been problems there sometime. and there are a ton of weapons and that kind of thing. now, we're being told it was over water, and not two miles on to shore, that speaks to likelihood of it being on the ground. the fact it went off the radar without a distress call, if that holds true, that is something on the plane caused them to do this. trace makes a lot of good points about the fact that the planes

have been used a significant amount. and we don't know how strong their agencies are that monitor the health of the plane. they're having problems with what the government brings is that they'd filter down. you know, these are things have to keep in mind. i think that why u.s. intelligence, two obvious people forcing them to go on high alert, one, the plane is missing and was headed towards egypt from europe. and two that it may not have been a distress call. they've been warning sometime, it's a matter of time something headed in this region was going

to be affected by terror. >> now, prior to this, give us your finger on the pulse of how much tourism to egypt has been impacted in recent times. and now, something like this. >> isis and those types of groups want to cause a wreck and problems. that is the mode of operation. if this is a situation where it was taken down by terrorism, it puts the west on notice. and this is a big deal. second thing, is egypt in trouble, it's been in trouble. and so i think it was something

like 75%. a significant number of tourism has dropped. and if there is a situation where you have a terrorist attack, p that happens, this is go being to drive numbers where it's costing people millions of dollars over all. that is a strong part of the country and causes destruction. the terror groups want to disrupt. so those are things that our y guys they're doing it for cia, military, i mean, go down the

list. to me, this is reporting a lot on libya. they bring back don't forget egypt. even last week. they'll tell you, don't forget the effect it's having on egypt. if this plane that went missing there are a number of mobile radar that you've got radar from the region, so there is a something to keep in mind. it's not a remote area. this is the very highly traveled region of the world.

so that one thing that catches my mind is into air space, not over egyptian land. and like i said before, decreases likelihood it was coming from the ground. >> it will be interesting to see how far from land that extends. >> you've got jets and other variables here. that is what trace touched on. usually they'll hear increased chatter and know something is coming around. and that is something to keep in

mind. and that is to help determine what has gone wrong here. it's a horrible tragedy, but when you talk about this tragedy it could be something as simple as the planes were not checked properly and a malfunction caused this plane to go down. and it could be something horrible that caused it to explode or someone caused this to happen. so this is you know, people are going to -- especially if the plane left from paris. if it left from cairo headed towards europe, it's still horrible but a different

situation. this is a terrorist attack that left from paris, which it did. that is going to cause a significant change in europe. that is going to change, i think. security very tight. eem sure, adam housley, thank you. i'm sure we'll speak with you as we learn more information tonight. thank you. >> no problem. >> so recap, an egypt air flight heading to cairo airport disappeared from radar. the flight ms804 vanished somewhere south of turkey. the air bus's manifest includes 56 passengers hand a crew of 10. since we've learned that the pilot had more than 6,000 hours of flying time, and his mean was

at 37,000 feet, just disappeared after entering egyptian air space under favorable and clear weather. due to arrive in cairo hours ago. and search and rescue teams are looking for the plane. the paris airport authority and the french civil aviation authority are reserving comment for the time being, except to say the plane did not land. we're not aware if there are any threats before that plane went missing. both trance and egypt had their transportation networks targeted by islamic state in recent years. the airline had what might be described as a spotty safety record. this march an egypt airplane was hijacked and diverted to cypress a passenger admitted to the hijacking and described as

psychologically unstable was behind that incident. in 1999 an egyptian airline crashed into the waters near nantucket killing all 217 people on board. u.s. investigators filed a report concluding the co-pilot switched off auto pilot and pointed the boeing 767 downward. egyptian officials rejected the notion of suicide, insisting a mechanical reason caused the crash. and this just in a spokesman for egyptian aviation agency says the plane most likely crashed into the sea. we're joined by a former crash in for the national transportation safety board. and faa. he's author of the book air safety investigators. thanks for joining us. >> thank you for having me. these are trying times and everything is still up in the

air, no pun intended it's apparently out to sea now. we can't eliminate a mechanical problem now. i know most of the people assume that, or speculated this has to be a terrorist attack. i caution everybody there are four areas that investigators look at. and it looks like with the exception of weather, everything should be on the table at this point. >> authorities are saying it's likely in the water, what would you feel would be making them make that statement? >> it didn't land. they have ht of radar. it was 37,000 feet and over egyptian air space. i can, you know, if we're speculating there could be a rapid depression where the pilot

had to, you know they lost pressure and that could have led to other problems and we can't rule that out. they haven't found wreckage. i know this went down at night. ditching at would be a very challenging endeavor. i investigated a boeing that ended up crashing in the water off the coast of florida many years ago. so night water landings are tricky. to say the least. we don't know if it was a controlled landing or a loss of control. and so we kind of have to reserve judgment until information comes in. i'm sure there is plenty of resources coming out looking for survivors or debris. >> dr. allen, we appreciate your

insight on to this. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> and this just in a spokesman tells sky news arabia the plane likely crashed into the sea. however, we have not independently confirmed that yet. joining us now on the phone is leah gabriel, fox news correspondent and former navy fighter pilot. leah, thanks for joining us. what do you think of the new information? that they're saying it's likely in the water? . >> i don't think that is a surprise based on information we've been giving to this point. they believe it entered air space. the location where it went missing. i think that that is kind of the next connecting the dots. you would expect some authorities plagued with missing

at 37,000 feet. your last guest mentioned it's important to recognize that everything is on the table at this point. that is absolutely true. it's important to note if we continue to get information that controllers on the ground have had no contact with the airplane after 37,000 feet. and it disappeared off the radar, that would point to something happening and you asked earlier in the evening, you know, is it possible to simply make the plane dark to radar. and answer to that is no. radar is painting for outside the plane so as long as the plane is in the air, it's not going to all of a sudden become silent to radar. so we do have to look at the things that did happen to make it disappear from radar.

>> one possibility is a rapid hose of pressure. from your point of view what might cause something like that to happen? >> there are a lot of things that could cause happen? >> a lot of things like that could cause a rapid loss of pressure. a catastrophic, something catastrophic that would cause the plane to break up in flight would cause a rapid loss of pressure. there are other things that could happen. again, i think it is important to recognize what is going on in this region. as we have been looking at this entire region, we have been s seeing the sinai peninsula have significant problems in which jihadist groups, islamic state group has a province there. big problem for egypt.

i mentioned generalier in july the group claimed to fire a missile at an egyptian ship. they posted pictures on-line that appear to show a missile. and then a ship on fire. the egyptian navy disputes that's what happened. they say it was basically a fire fight with militants. this is a hostile region right right now. the egyptian navy has been threatened by militants. the egyptian navy is a very large navy. they have a large number of ships, sixth largest in the world. largest in the middle east. in the africa area. their ships will definitely be on scene in that area. they will start with directly below where that last radar blip

was and they will spread out from there. i also mentioned that the u.s. navy has a fleet that's headquartered in naples, italy. when i was in the navy we had a constant presence in the mediterranean. the u.s. navy has a constant presence in the mediterranean and it would be likely that our ships will be supporting search and rescue effort. based on the small area this occurred in, the water as officials believe the plane ended up in the water somehow or parts of it, i think we will see evidence of that with all of the ship traffic in that region. >> yeah. and pretty quickly if there is that evidence i would imagine. we were talking about the temperature of the region. let's say it was a terrorist attack. what would you say as far as how often and how quickly do groups

claim this? is this something they tend to jump on fairly fast after there's an event? and then also what's the likelihood that sometimes they make false claims just to take responsibility so that people think it might have been at their hands? >> absolutely. i do believe -- i have an intelligence background, as well. terrorists groups do make false claims to try to take credit for events. sometimes they take credit right away when they want to take credit. sometimes they don't. it depends on the group and it's a hot bed of extremism. the entire region right now, the northern coast of africa, middle east area, that there are so many groups there it is hard to tell. whether or not they have the technology, the type of military assets to take an aircraft down at 37,000 feet, that seems unlikely at this point.

a miscalculation happened in '88 when one of our u.s. ships was involved in a gun fight or in a fight with iranian gun boats and a miscalculation was made where the ship believed it was an f-14 fighter aircraft, attacking it and it accidentally shot down an iranian airliner. horrible incident that occurred. when i was in my navy training, we talked about this as an example of why you have to sometimes slow things down and make sure you are seeing what you think you are seeing. mediterrane mediterranean, a lot of navy vessels, ships there. the egyptian navy, u.s. navy, hot bed of terrorist activity in the entire region. there are a lot of different things that could occur. it could be something catastrophic with the aircraft. it may have nothing to do with a

terrorist or terrorist-related activities. we will have to wait and see. i think what is important to listen for is what the controllers on the ground, what authorities are saying about what contact there was with the aircraft in the last few minutes of flight. i have heard heard of people trying to find the black box, if you are able to find it, it is great because of the information there. but in something catastrophic happened in the air it maybe a long time before the black box is found. >> let's revisit the altitude of that 37,000 feet, which is what was last reported. if they were 80 miles outside of that egyptian air space, and they were approximately 37,000 feet of an altitude, and was only a short time left of that trip, as a pilot, does no sound right to you? could they still be that high

and still be on track for the proper landing to cairo? >> well, at this point, we don't know from what i can tell exactly how many miles it was from landing. 37,000 feet is not 80 miles away. it is not something that would not be normal. i think we have to wait and see exactly where this location was. where the plane went missing off radar. i think you said 80 miles outside of air space. i think they said it is within air space. so it may have been 80 miles from where it was landing. right now a lot of information coming in. we will have to wait and see what authorities say about the specifics of where it was when it went missing. >> as a pilot, lea, what are some of the other things you would like to personally learn pretty quickly to help you get a better sense of what you think

may have happened here? >> the first thing -- first thing i always think of, as a pilot, is if i was in the aircraft, is there something i could have done differently. you start to look at were there weather conditions that we shouldn't have flown in to? was there a turbulence situation? was there icing? something that caused them to have a flight control problem? was there improper maintenance? you look at all of the things that could have gone wrong with the aircraft that may have caused an accident, or might caused a problem. as a pilot you want to make sure -- you would hope you would have recognized those things and been able to handle an emergency situation. but again, i think that you typically would hear some sort of a call. you would have some sort of indication on the ground typically if this suz with an

emergency in the cockpit unless it happened really fast. it is still early and we may be learning more as we get further in to this. we may learn there was some communication that we don't know about yet. at this point it is a wait and see game. the first indications we will have is when they will find the aircraft, what sort of shape it is in, if it is in one piece, sort of one piece or a lot of pieces. >> yes. i have spoken with a lot of guests tonight, and everybody has been in agreement that security would be pretty tight at this point at charles de gaulle airport in paris in light of so many events that have happened recently. from the pilot's point of view,er yes, security is tight in the airport, but when you are the pilot of a plane, before you take off, what are the checks and balances that you are looking at because you are the one flying the plane and obviously you want to be safe

and not be in a situation that could be in harm's way. what do you think the pilots have in their minds in addition to the security that's at the airport? >> i think typically for pilots, there's the expectation that security is working properly. pilots need to focus on their flight plan, on the weather, the conditions they are flying in to. you know, the maintenance of their aircraft. they need to be able to focus on that. anyone since 9/11 there's been more of a stress on pilots to have an awareness. you know, a lot of aircraft, at least u.s. aircraft, those cabin doors, cockpit doors are locked. different countries have different regulations, but there's a heightened awareness since 9/11, of course, at the same time pilots are more focused on the safety of their aircraft, the safety and conditions they are flying in to. you mentioned security at