much. will airlines again, continue business as usual, planes are leaving again out of charles de gaulle airport. life goes on. but so many questions. what happened to a plane that was taking off about 24 hours ago, almost this very minute. hello, i'm kimberly guilfoyle along with juan williams, eric bolling, dana perino and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." fox news continuing coverage of the egyptair jet that crashed overnight on its way to cairo from paris. likely cause, terrorism according to egypt's government. but all possibilities are being investigated. the plane went down in the mediterranean sea, somewhere off the greek island of crete. authorities say it lost altitude before vanishing from radar

screens. the white house says the u.s. is ready to help with the investigation. the latest from fox's greg palkot live from charles de gaulle airport in paris where the doomed flight took off. greg? >> that's right. the terminal behind me, terminal 1, charles de gaulle airport 24 hours ago was the scene of that flight pulling away from the gantry way and getting ready to take off. 24 hours later there's still more confusion. egyptair in the past 15 minutes has come out and said that it will not confirm that the debris found on the surface of the mediterranean sea, a few hours ago, was in fact a part of their stricken airplane. it has said via the egyptian government that it was in fact a plane. but you got to believe that debris will be found if in fact this debris wasn't part of a plane. there are ships and planes if the u.s., the uk, france, greece, egypt, covering an area there and scouring not just for

the debris, but maybe more importantly the black boxes which recording devices should hold some of the answers to this mystery. the mystery that's been plaguing the families of the victims. it's been a very long day here at this airport and also the cairo airport, which was to be the destination for the plane, they were waiting for any kinds of answers. in fact some families here in paris got on to another egyptair plane this afternoon and flew to cairo just to be closer to the action and closer to some resolution, but that resolution still not coming. french president francois hollande helped a little bit to try to bring some information to the families and others. he was the first official really to confirm that the crash had happened. and the first top official to raise the spector of terrorism possibly being behind this. that is not a guarantee. but it's certainly got people worried here and in france, in

paris, right now according to reports, investigators are interrogating the staff of the airport that had any kind of contact with that egypt air flight before it took off last night. we're talking about baggage handlers, we're talking about mechanics, we're talking about cleaners. just in case in fact if the terrorism line gets stronger, that they could find out maybe who was involved. you got to remember that back in december, the paris airport authority fired 70 people on its staff for having some kind of ties to islamist thinking. but again we have to underscore as fox news has been doing all day, that it is not confirmed terrorism. that all options remain open. it is too early. mechanical, technical fault. that's being looked at just as hard. a lot of questions and tough times here. back to you.

>> so eric, the egyptian aviation minister saying the crash of egyptair flight 804 is more likely the result of terrorism. the team is pretty certain that's the direction it's going. if they're saying that at this hour, there's developing facts that they know. ongoing investigation and a lot of people to interview in terms of who had access to that plain. >> now that they've said this, i think both french hollande early on said it looked like it could be tied to terror. it could be. and then as you said, the egyptians as well now. now that it's, this can of worms has been opened, let's talk about it a little bit. this plane started at least it made one stop in tunisia. tunisia was the birthplace of the arab spring, violent and nonviolent protests, isis has claimed that they're going to attack europe, specifically france. they said they're going to continue to do that. we had the paris attacks, we had "charlie hebdo," we had the paris -- the bataclan.

and then you see paris to egypt. you have the juxtaposition of europe and arab world. if this is true. there's extensive naval assets in the area. by the u.s., by the greeks, by other european countries, by the egyptians. they're going to find out what happened to this fairly quickly. i think this isn't going to be one of those malaysian air flights. 70 people as greg palkot pointed out, were escorted out of this airport alone for having ties to islamic beliefs. europe has to step it up, clean this mess up. >> what you see is the easy accessibility for terrorists to be able to you know wreak havoc, take lives and create panic and international alarm dana. from the time you were in the white house if an incident like this happens, talk about the cooperation with the u.s., with the different countries like this, when they're going through an investigation, because we

have tremendous assets, especially as it relates to determining what happened in aviation fatalities. >> yeah, think that's one the of the things that the americans do best, right? we always offer help in this case forensics evidence or intel or as eric was saying, naval assets that can be used. it's difficult if you're at the white house or in a position of responsibility or power is to wait to comment. because we don't know. it could have been mechanical. planes have improved over time in terms of safety features and you don't see as many crashes as in the past. so this, your mind i think in sort of initially it used to be that you would first thing, oh my gosh, something must have happened to the plane. now our first thought is somebody must have taken the plane down and it's probably islamic terrorism. there's lots of reasons to think it probably was. it's difficult to hold back until you have more information. we'll get a chance to talk to catherine herridge in the next block. but as i understand there's no

claim of responsibility yet. so that's a little bit unusual. but isis has been slower to do that than al qaeda was. >> et ceteit's a great point. they're monitoring the chatter across the internet and social media forums to see if any one of these groups steps up to claim responsibility. and that's coupled with the forensic investigation to locate wreckage, determine if in fact what happened and what part of the plane. they have some information in terms of flight pattern, the trajectory and going in the 360. juan, from this point forward in the investigation they're trying to talk to all of these people to determine if anybody had something to do with it and who has threads of information. >> what we've got here kimberly is a wonderful mystery. it's a horrible incident, but wow, this plane takes off, everything is fine. everything is good. in fact the pilot is talking to the greek air controllers and making jokes, and then says

good-bye in greek. i mean like i'm happy, everything is fine. then the plane as it enters into the egyptian airspace, does what we've been showing you here on fox, the plane first swerves to the left. then it does a complete 360. it looks like greg gutfeld dunking. it goes in a total circle and plunges 15,000 feet. then plunges all the way into the ocean. so the thought is wait a second there are three possibilities on the table. terrorism, that's the one where everybody is afraid of. that's why it's front and forward here at the moment. but why wouldn't they -- if they were blowing the plane up, wouldn't they have blown the plane up earlier? what if it was mechanical as dana was saying. what if it stalled out? what if something just went crazy and there was a stall? could that be it? you have explosion, you have stall, and of course, in either case, could it be that someone

broke through the pilot's cockpit? >> i think there was some indication that from some of the infrareds and some of the radars and other assets they have in the area, that there was some sort of flash and some heat and some pressure change that would indicate explosion. that's why the a lot of the news services were going with explosion most of the afternoon. >> that's the question is why wouldn't they have exploded the plane earlier? why did you wait until you're in egyptian air space? the other point i think this is what you were saying, it strikes me, they had the russian plane, i don't think anybody can forget this. they just had a russian plane i think it was last october that was blown up. and the egyptians were very slow to talk about terrorism in that case. i think it took them four months. in this case, you see the egyptian civil aeronautics team saying we think this is terrorism. what's going on there? i'm not sure. >> obviously there's a lot to consider. when you think about the international impact of this and de galle airport having very

strong security record, coupled with the fact that this particular type of airbus has an excellent mechanical and safety record. that's what some of the paths pointing again, along with intelligence reports that it's terrorism. now we have to find out who did it. >> we brought up bataclan and were talking about it earlier. more than likely could have been an inside job. because jesse hughes, the lead singer of the band noticed some of the people that were there later being part of the group that killed everybody. so you know when you talk about the baggage handlers, the food prep and all that it's entirely possible it was an inside job. what i find interesting and confusing from a naive perspective about this. with all the technology that we know and that we have and the satellites and cameras and artificial intelligence, the world, nobody ever disappears any more. when a child goes missing, it's a matter of time or days that they find them or always somebody they know. nothing ever really disappears. that's why it's so strange when something like this happens, an

airline isn't notified. well like why isn't there a live feed from a cockpit that's always there. that is sent it a cloud so that you can hear and know exactly what's going on and that there will be real-time relays of delays and stuff like that? it amazes me that this is one of those areas that you never just don't know. we -- there are flights where we assume a conclusion. that we aren't even sure about. whether it was a pilot suicide. we don't know. we don't know if it was pilot error or the pilot -- they got into a fight. like why, you brought up the fact, why did it -- >> swerving. >> we were talking about that it could have been a struggle that caused it to swerve. that's why they waited until the pilot got out or maybe who knows. >> that's why they have to -- ongoing investigation indeed. can you imagine the chilling effect on travel in europe and the middle east, et cetera. given what's transpired here. >> to that end, the fact that it shouldn't have a chilling effect. that is the, i hate to say that. that's because the terrorists

will win cliche. but this is still you're safer in that plane than you are driving to the airport. and you have to remind yourself of that. and the reason why terrorists do this is to create a spectacle. they go after planes for the point of the spectacle. and if you give in to that spectacle, then they will continue to do it. >> all right. much more to come ahead on egyptair flight 804. what do our intelligence officials know about the crash? we'll go to chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge next.

egyptair crash, mechanical disability is a cause, but not likely. >> if you align the situation properly, the possibility of having a different action or having a terror attack is higher than the possibility of having a technical problem. >> more now on what our intelligence has gathered so far with chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge live in washington. we've heard that the u.s. is collecting everything from what's called sad waves to a persistent stare at the region. not sure what that means. can you tell us if there's been any worthwhile information uncovered. >> on this persistent stare. this somehow a u.s. government official described it to me.

we have satellites that have the capability of telling us when iran or north korea has launched a missile. the same satellites can be focused or trained on that southeastern portion of the mediterranean to see if there are any anomalies which is a fancy way of saying flashes of light or evidence of an explosion. that information has been married up with whether there was a distress call. which there was not in this case. or a sudden loss of the aircraft on radar. so you can take that information and you can use it to sort of marry it up or knit it together to try to better understand whether the plane went down suddenly, and whether an explosion was attached to it. the "reuters" news service is reporting within the last hour that there's been a preliminary review of this imagery and they have not found evidence of an explosion. i have not independently confirmed that. but it shows you how this particular type of intelligence can be so useful in the hours after a plane has gone down, greg. >> dana? >> katherine, i understand

there's been no claim of responsibility. so is that to be expected? is that something new? is that a different tactic that terrorists might use in a situation like this, to wait until they take responsibility? >> that's a good question, dana. what i can tell you is that counterterrorism experts who do collection for the u.s. government, so these are people who track isis and al qaeda, they're going back through their holding. so they're going back through the social media traffic and the chatter to see if in the last 72 hours, there was something that they missed or something that seems to have taken on a greater significance, given what's happened with flight 804. in a situation like this, i know that officials are watching very closely for any kind of claim of responsibility. though again there's publicly no evidence that it was in fact terrorism. but it would be somewhat standard for isis to claim responsibility, that's really their m.o. it's less standard for al qaeda to do that. they tend to sort of hang back in the shadows when it comes to

claims of responsibility. >> catherine, i'm wondering in the u.s., if you fly domestically and the pilot wants to use the rest room. they block off the cockpit with the drink cart, the pilot can go in, they'll lock the door behind him and he'll go back in and then they'll remove the cart. is the same rule, does that apply for international flights as well? i'm just thinking, you look at the way the plane went down, maybe it is some sort of struggle from, from a passenger or someone who wanted to enter the cockpit. >> it's hard to say. some of that will be shown on the imagery, sort of the trajectory of the aircraft. and then the black boxes which we do not have, would tell us the best picture of what was happening in the cockpit. i don't want to give our viewers bad information. i do not know whether the same procedures apply with egyptair flying out of france to egypt. but as you're well aware after brussels, security has really been stepped up. and specifically with the

egyptians, because so much of their economy rests on tourism. and another terrorist attack on an aircraft traveling into that country really would have a devastating consequence. >> catherine, i'm so taken by the politics in egypt. right now are in tumult. in last week the general accounting office in washington issued a report suggesting that despite the billions in aid coming from the united states to egypt, egypt in fact is violating human rights of you know, president sisi's opponents, is there any possible connection between people who are opponents of the egyptian government and what may have happened to this aircraft? >> i think that's really a very tough stretch to make at this point. because u.s. intelligence officials are really emphasizing that they cannot say whether this was a catastrophic failure. or whether it was terrorism. and if it was to be a third-party motivated event, we'd really have to have a lot more information. so i don't want to speculate on

that at this point. >> catherine, it's kimberly. i know we've sceneriesly such a proliferation of end-to-end devices, like whatsapp, wicker, it seems like on the heels of san bernardino, the attack in brussels, it's getting more difficult to pick up threads and intel communication when these groups are using this, we're unable to get any of that vastly rich data and information to be able to prevent attacks like this. >> certainly agents domestically with the fbi feel they've got at least one or both hands tied behind their backs in these cases. just this afternoon the fbi director was asked about what happened with the egyptair flight. saying they had not seen an uptick in the chatter in communications between the terrorist operatives. that can be a reflection of this end-to-end encryption. i would emphasize we had a transcript released today by what is france's equivalent of the c.i.a. director and he gave

a rare and private brief to a government committee in paris, just last week, in which he said that there was evidence that isis was planning a wave or a series of package bomb attacks, that would coincide with the large sporting events that are coming up in france. it's important to note that the state of emergency has been extended in france over the next two months, to cover that period. now whether this intelligence that was picked up goes beyond encryption and is based on human sources, but it tells you it's a very high state of alert. what we don't know is whether that kind of threat information is in any way tied to eat egypt heir downing and whether there is a terrorist connection or whether it's simply a dramatic, catastrophic mechanical failure on this flight. >> thank you, catherine. >> the plane crash turning political here at home. donald trump and hillary clinton are saying, next.

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says we will do whatever it takes to help our local allies. egypt is the most important nation locally in this fight. followed closely by jordan. we have rejected them. we have turned our backs on them. we have seven abled the isis phenomenon to get stronger and stronger. so this is a real opportunity for the white house. >> "defeating jihad" author calling on the obama administration to call war on terrorists, after what appears to be a strike by terrorists on egyptair flight 804. islamic jihadists have waged countries including america, 33 countries in just the last year. donald trump didn't wait to bring up the possibility that the crash was an act of terror.

>> he tweeted this morning, looks like another terrorist attack. when will we get tough, smart and vigilant? great hate and sickness. hillary clinton took some shots at trump. >> it does appear it was an act of terrorism it shine as bright light on the threats that we face from organized terror groups. isis of course, but then there are other networks of terrorists that have to be hunted down and defeated. and i think it reinforces the need for american leadership. >> how do you fight the perception that we look weak? trump was out hot and early on twitter. when this happened. >> he says a lot of things that are provocative, that actually make the important task of building this coalition, bringing everybody to the table and defeating terrorism more difficult. >> kg, can you help me out here. did you she basically say the same thing, than he did. but it took her seven o hours later. when she says it's provocative

to the other countries, people we want to bring in the fight to terror, when she says it's not. >> she is trying to make a distinction between the two and saying look i'm someone with considerable experience, i think is what's behind that, saying secretary of state, et cetera. whether or not you think she was competent is a whole other thing. but what we like as well is this is a new normal. we have to be able to say when it's terrorism, we have to be able to call islamic terrorists what they are and call them by name and their actions as terrorism i don't think there was any anything wrong with what he said and how is it different from what she said. how is it different? that's the problem for her. >> the timing, you get hillary clinton and people like former defense secretary gates saying you can't just rush to judgment in these cases. what gates said was so true. that sometimes the initial information that comes in, you find to be misleading. that people are making assumptions that don't prove to be true. so i think that the instinct on

the part of hillary, the political instinct was of this mind. it's a washington mindset. which is let's slow down. let's make sure we got all our facts before we start telling the public something that then may be proven wrong and then we have to go back and correct it. >> dana, i may have this wrong. but i'm fairly certain hollande came out first and said it looks like an act of terror. donald trump tweeted after that prior to the egyptians agreeing with the scenario or the americans for that matter. is that okay to do? or was he premature? >> i think it's probably fine. i mean it does look like another terrorist attack. but and this is his style. he's not going to -- although he says he's going to act more presidential, i think that he has figured out a way to own the news cycle for the day. so i think it's one of the reasons you see the poll numbers go up. one thing i would like to ask both of them is that, given what sebastian gork has said that we need to do something different, i would like to ask trump and hillary, what would you do different in france or in

tunisia or in these countries? what are you willing to do? gork is suggesting help in egypt what kind of help? what specific help? i think americans deserve to know what that kind of change would be like before they vote in november. >> what are your thoughts on the back and forth trump and hillary. >> i'm actually very depressed over the president, the way, the way our present leaders are dealing with this. you know forget about terror, we have a president who is declaring war on bathrooms. i mean it's a question of priorities. right now a plane has disappeared, mayor de blasio is, coming up with plans on firing businesses who don't use transgender pronouns like zey or zir. so as terrorists are planning our annihilation, our leaders are obsessed with identity. that's our achilles tendon. we're so obsessed with ourselves, you have a corporation of terror that recruits 24/7. that works 24/7 in our demise.

while we're sitting here wondering about gender pronouns. and i want to quote the pope -- then i'll be quiet this is what the pope said before the terror attack. in the face of islamic terrorism it would therefore be better to question ourselves about the way in an overly western model of democracy has been exported to countries. this is what we're dealing with. >> juan, can i throw this at you? donald trump is trying to stake out that i'm not obama. i'm not that foreign policy weakling that the rest of the world looks at. and takes advantage of. and so he jumps out in front before hillary gets a chance and says this is islamic terror. we should be fighting this. we should go after it. he also tweeted, look out, isis, we're going to come after you. >> right. the question is -- >> is that bad politics? >> you're possibly asking the wrong guy, his kind of politics don't appeal to me. but obviously thrash kind of statement, i think it was a rash statement. he didn't know, he's not even in the information, he's not being briefed on this right now.

so people who are in the know, know what is basically being found at this point, haven't decided. but i think for donald trump, the idea is and i think you're on to something, let's go after the idea that obama's passive. now the thing that strikes me is we give $1.3 billion, the united states government, does to egypt to help them. we give them not only military equipment, but we give them all sorts of humanitarian aid so it's not as if we're not engaged in trying to fight terror in egypt. >> and so fighting terror is giving egypt more cash? >> well for military. >> obama-style. >> i think the terms are incorrect. we're not fighting terror. we're fighting radical islam. terror, terror is just an instrument that seussed by radical islam. it's like saying you're fighting war, no, you're waging war. this is, terror follows i mean radical islam is using more's law. they're finding a way to pack

more and more terror into smaller and smaller things. we have to devote our private corporations, the greatest minds in this country to solve this problem. rather than treat it like an issue. >> but it does, it does shine a light on the current administration and what has been you know, a lot of criticism and dpis favor regarding foreign policy and national security. so i think it would help someone like the presumptive gop nominee. donald trump, who has promised much in light of the problems of growing international threat. to say i'm someone who actually will call it what it is and put action behind it. to dana's point, yes the american people wants to know what you would do in that regard that would differ from the current administration. >> we'll keep an eye on this. but next, new developments on the presidential race results of the latest fox poll. stick around.

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. the results of new fox polls are in and if the general election were held today, with clinton versus trump, that would be close. right now our survey shows trump with a slight edge, 45 to 42. but the difference is within the margin of error. clinton has some work to do to get her unfavorable numbers to go down. at the moment they're going up. a record 61% now say they have a negative view of the likely democratic nominee. that's up from 58% in march. as for donald trump, his unfavorable numbers, well gee whiz, they went down. now standing at 56%, as opposed to a record high of 65% two months ago. so kg, i find this so interesting. because at the moment we have two polls, rasmussen and fox that show donald trump for the first time leading the race. what do you make of it? >> as you pointed out in your introduction, within the statistical margin of error, which is usually plus three or

four percentage points. it shows it's tight. but you look at two candidates that both have high unfavorables. in particular, hillary clinton does better with pim by 14%. donald trump does better with men by 22%. that can kind of balance each other out. it shows it's going to be a dog fight, cage fight, whatever sport, your pleasure. to the end and it's probably going to get pretty brutal as donald trump has said. if he has to, he'll go that way at her. if need be. but especially like i discussed earlier, juan, in the light of the recent what ameers to be additional terrorist attack, i think that is going to also factor in heavy along with right now what we've seen in terms of the exit polling after all of these primaries, which is the economy and jobs being of paramount concern. one of them is going to have to do a better than the other of hitting those issues hard. >> it's so interesting to me, we talk about unfavorables. >>ky stop you, i notice we've

done the plane for the whole show. we get to the block to talk about the new polling that just came out and you're going to emphasize the unfavorables. can i emphasize the other stuff? we're good friends, right? i got to call you out on some stuff. >> go. >> a month ago when hillary clinton was beating donald trump by 12 points, in several polls, you said donald trump should not be the nominee because he can't even line up against her in a head to head. i said it's too early. you said no, it's not too early. a week ago, earlier part of this week, there was another poll, it had hillary beating donald by three points within the margin of error. you said it was an outlier. now we have two more showing trump leading hillary clinton can. we at a least say these aren't outliers, the trend is going towards donald trump. >> i see that. i was going to respond to you. >> i want to get to a couple of internals in the poll there that are really important. >> we don't shut you down. we allow conservatives to speak

on the fox news channel. i was going to say to you in fact if you look at the real clear politics average of polling. she still leads, because that's built up. >> they take the all old polls. >> they have all the polls. >> let's go with the last 20 -- >> he's talking recent polls versus aggregating the past. we have two polls, fox and rasmussen. the most recent. >> and nbc had them within the margin of error. >> but you know what, i think the key point here in support of your point, in the last month hillary clinton has gone from being plus seven to trailing in these polls. >> very quickly. donald trump leads hillary clinton with white women. women. >> white women. >> he's running against a white woman. and the last and most important one. the most important one -- you'll agree with this -- in the fox poll independents broke to trump by 16 percentage points, that's massive. >> you know what i think, dana, eric wants to have the election

today. >> well i think also, eric deserves a pat on the back for telling whaus it is. because you were right. you said exercise patience, it's too early to tell. and a lot of us jumped the gun. i'm going to give you a round of applause, the props that you deserve, eric, woo. can i weigh in on something about hillary clinton. i think that the democrats, i think dana milbank of the "washington post" wrote yesterday that bernie sanders has lit a spark that started a fire that he may not be able to put out. >> are you saying he's an arsonist? >> i think that's what a lot of democrats think. who would have thought that the situation would be reversed. that now you're talking about violence within the democratic conventions. you're talking about an inability to unify on the democrat side. while the republicans are actually pretty much feeling pretty good about themselves. not chb, not everybody. i'm looking at the nrms, she

just needs to oig out a way to put him away. >> i think it's the "washington post," "new york times," mother jones, they're all now turning on bernie sanders. the left wing is going after sanders for fear of what dana is talking about, greg. that sanders is damaging and pulling down hillary clinton. >> well i don't think you need sand sanders to do that. if you look at clinton versus trump, there's a paradox. you look at the electoral states leaning towards clinton, you think there's no way that she can lose. but when you look at her, go, there's no way she can win. you know, you look at the states, and you look at her -- it's like when somebody tells you kale tastes good. that's the problem with hillary, they're telling you she tastes good as a candidate. and it get stuck in your teeth. you have to use a business card, floss in a restaurant.

>> my libertarian friend. do you know that gary johnson is running. get 10 points in the last poll? >> i believe it. >> next -- >> it's the air cut. >> want to know the inside scoop of what happened behind closed doors at facebook's meeting yesterday with conservatives? dana was in the room. you'll want to stay here to hear from miss perino.

. that's a good question, about diversity. >> look deeper than the way people look. >> look deeper than the way people look. >> do you think that anybody is watching us right now? >> not one person. >> i don't even know how facebook works to be totally honest with you. >> we're over 2,000 viewers right now. >> in this situation would you keep going? >> i feel like we should end this before i say something that's career ending. >> we probably should. >> that's tucker carlson and i we had some fun using facebook's live features. we had a meeting with ceo mark zuckerberg he invited conservatives to face the

allegations that facebook has been manipulating the conservative news feed to keep conservative news out. an issue came up in the meeting that you would have been really interested in. which is the solution to any sort of human involvement that causes problems. is guess what mark zuckerberg said? >> artificial intelligence. >> yes, he did. you would have loved it. >> then they'll take over and we'll be enslaved. >> me and my robot will enslave you. >> he made an incredible, he admitted that the biggest driver. fear of the leftism of the past. it used to be when you in a conservative had you to be on the down low, liberals were going to talk about who they were going to vote for. what causes they were into. if you were a conservative like me working in publishing you had to keep your mouth shut.

the tables have turned. people can openly talk about what they believe in. because in part i have to give credit to trump that it's now okay to be politically incorrect in public. >> well this is my point. this is what you've kind of been doing. we just called it weird. but now you're on to something. >> you don't have to be in the conservative closet any more. >> exactly. >> audio trouble yesterday when i was there and couldn't hear you, i wanted to show you something that was behind my shoulder. i thought you would be interested. the facebook sign behind is a thumb's up. do you know what is on the other side of the billboard? >> no. the thumb's down? >> no the sun microsystems logo. you no he why? facebook took over that campus, he wants to use it as reminder that a company can be here today and gone tomorrow. i thought you might like that. >> so zuckerberg realized or acknowledged the fact that he could fix this trending issue by tieing it directly to key words and clicks. >> in the future.

>> why? >> well he just said that that is a possibility. >> they're working, he said they're working, one of the things they talke about. first i should say facebook did not put up any fight in terms of not admitting that they had a problem with conservatives. >> did he commit? >> i felt they did. >> i felt they did. i think they took it very seriously. and actually were taking input specifically from, we had to go like, it looked like we were having fun. they went into a meeting after where they got very specific information. one of the concerns, kimberly is not just on the trending news topics, about the news feed and facebook has these things called community standards. how do they apply the community standards when somebody is going to be blocked for what's considered offensive content to some. not offensive to others, that was a bigger topic of the conversation. >> so you, you went in i'm sure with kind of your ideas or preconceived notions and you've written a article about it, encouraging people to -- >> i said we should at least take them up on their olive

branch. that they put forward and take them at their word. i thought everybody was pretty well-intentioned. i thought it was interesting, juan that it took mark zuckerberg to get 16 conservatives from all across the spectrum to get in a room together and be nice to each other. nobody was hurling insults. >> i had two quick questions. one is what's a news curator? >> swb that's like an assignment desk person. >> that's not somebody who is tilting the bar, supposedly? >> the idea is that no, you would not. but we all know that human beings come with preferences. >> my final question is, did you wear a t-shirt or just zuckerberg? >> i did not wear zuckerberg. go no, the t-shirt. >> zuckerberg wore a t-shirt, i wore the white and black jacket. one more think is up next.

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are these companies ashamed? they go after you. admit it. you've got a temper. lou did we get in this fix? >> it's on rare dies like this that you must ask, do they really pay me to do this? yes. >> an amazing journalist and he will certainly be missed. cbs just ran that special about him two nights ago on cbs. >> really incredible. we all enjoyed him so much. greg? >> back in 1988, it was my first job in publishing at the "american spectator." when you're a new employee at a job there's certain types of people, the guy who is your rival and the person who kind of ignores you and the boss that's mean. there's always one person that kind of takes you under their wing, that's very nice and sees that you're new. the person that i remember being that person was a woman named denise ferguson who then married andy ferguson, who is an amazing writer. if you're a conservative you know who he is. denise passed away on friday after a rare devastating

illness. and she was just a great person and i just wanted to give andy ferguson and his two great sons my best and i wish them well during this difficult period. >> god bless them and their families. nice of you to honor her, greg. >> we'll lighten it up here a little bit. juan, you like the "washington post," you trust them? >> yeah. >> nine out of ten native americans aren't offended by the redskins name. take a little v.o., juan remember i gave you the redskins jersey for christmas? remember that, and you refused to use it. >> i didn't refuse to use it. >> you won't say the name. >> no, i wore that jersey. can you say redskins with me? one two three, never. >> i tell you what. what percentage of the black rappers use the "n" word you think i'm not offended because of that? get out of town. >> i'm going to forgo my time so you can go. >> thanks. last week i was giving a sfeech on my new book, "we the people" at philadelphia library.

a young woman asked me to take a look at her book. there's jenni fink, sentenced to life. it's about college graduation, appropriate for this season. >> thank you for joining, special report is next. this is a fox news alert. i'm bret baier in washington. was it terrorism? that is the question on tens of millions of people's minds. tonight following the crash of an egyptair flight into the mediterranean sea early today. 66 people were aboard that flight from paris to cairo. there are conflicting reports about whether any wreckage has been spotted so far. the u.s. is helping in the search. offering assistance from its experts and working feverishly to try to find out about what happened. we have fox team coverage. catherine herridge has the latest intelligence on the crash. but our coverage begins where that ill-fated flight began at charles de gaulle internati