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doltish when writing to "the factor." tomorrow, glenn beck makes his return to this program. again, thanks for watching us tonight. i am bill o'reilly. please always remember that the spin stops here because we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, donald trump responding to a media firestorm over the whereabouts of a multimillion-dollar pile of cash intended for america's veterans. good evening, welcome to "the kelly file," everyone, i'm megyn kelly. he's holding a rally in albuquerque, new mexico. we're listening in to see if mr. trump addresses mounting attacks over his handling of a fund-raiser for veterans. this all started four months ago when trump boycotted the fox news gop debate in iowa. instead, he held a fund-raiser, he said, to benefit u.s. veterans. now the story is back in the headlines as the veteran community and the media presses the trump cam pain to prove that this money, in fact, was raised and indeed went to charity.
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yesterday, got political. a dozen veterans showed up outside of trump tower in new york city to protest. hours later, we learned those demonstrators were reportedly dispatched by hillary clinton's campaign. okay. in a late-breaking development, reports that the businessman personally pledged $1 million of his own money to a group that provides scholarships to children of fallen u.s. marines and federal law enforcement officers. joining us in moments, sergeant bartlett, an iraq war veteran, badly wounded by an iranian-made roadside bomb in iraq, and carl h higbe, former s.e.a.l. and trump supporter. we begin in the newsroom with the latest details. >> just today, donald trump said on social media the event back in january raised almost $6 million for military vets. also today, trump turned around and told "the washington post" he never promised he'd raise $6 million, saying, quote, i didn't say 6.
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but then trump was reminded of this. watch. >> we just cracked, the sign was just given, we just cracked $6 million, right. 6 million. >> still, the presumptive gop nominee blames the media, posting on twitter, quoting, amazingly with all the money i have raised for the vets, i've got nothing but bad publicity from the dishonest and disgusting media. the media is trying to track down the money. trump's own people are the ones talking dollar amounts. his general counsel told cnn the event back in january raised $4 million or $5 million. last week, campaign manager corey lewandowski said the number was $4.5 million, including a $1 million personal gift by donald trump that had, quote, been fully spent. except there was no record of when trump gave the money or who he gave it to. now we know that despite saying for months he'd given $1 million, past tense, trump actually never gave it until last night.
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some believe the mounting pressure forced him to come through. so exactly how much was raised in january remains a bit foggy. what's clear is according to several reports anywhere from $3 million to $4 million has been given away, benefiting everyone from aging veterans to the children of marines killed in action. the remainder of the money is supposed to be given away this weekend. m megyn. >> trace, thank you. joining me now, badly wounded by an iranian-made roadside bomb. sergeant, let me start with you. why is this the deal? >> why is this a what, i'm sorry? >> why is this a thing? trump says, hey, look, i'm almost there, almost got the $6 million, $1 million from me personally, he just pledged today, or paid i guess today. why is this a thing? >> it matters to everybody, you know, think about it, if a
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veteran says, hey -- or an american says, hey, i'm going to join the military, i'm going to serve the u.s., i'm going to protect the people and the constitution from enemies, foreign, domestic. they've got to live it. they can't just give away ideas or thoughts and not actually any follow-through. it's just -- it becomes a, you know, they just get exposed over time. so i hope that he was doing the right thing. all we can do is look in his past and see if it is really who he is as a person and does he really support the vets. can't judge him on that. >> why did they say they had raised $6 million when, in fact, it appears according to "the washington post" report to be far less than that? >> you read "the washington post" report, it says he had pledged $6 million at the time. he asked, if you look at the transcript, he said, we raised $6 million, right? he reached out to the crowd and asked. at the time, that's what he thought. >> they've been saying that for months, carl. >> right. he's donated so much money.
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hillary clinton -- >> that's a dodge, let's stay on this point. >> okay, so -- >> there's no question trump has been generous to veterans. we haven't seen the actual records. the point is whether the facts here have been overstated. >> this is like a high school kid complaining he got a lexus instead of a lamborghini. he's given so much -- >> in the scenario, it's the complaining veterans? >> i think it's mock couldccoy hillary clinton saying trump "f" used. this is a completion dodge. the media has not succeeded in trying to hold down trump. the fact he has given so much -- >> this guy, mccoy, to bring viewers up to date, claimed he was there outside of trump's offices protesting because he was ticked off and he had no affiliation with the campaign. then hillary clinton campaign admitted they helped organize this and then mccoy said, yeah, i work for the hillary camp.
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that's a different issue, sergeant. now "the washington post," which started to run the numbers, the veterans groups, the tally on money raised, was that $4.5 million. it doesn't add up to what trump has said. tru trump's point is these groups need to be vetted, it takes time. >> politicians or people running for office should be honest and do the right thing. you say you support the vets, then do so. you know, that's what the american public is asking for. they're asking for these politicians who are running to do the right thing. we've put these people in office. they say they do a bunch of things. it's just a bunk ch of hot air. there's nothing behind it. when somebody says they're going to war, they go to war and do the right thing. when they come back, they expect to be taken care of. now we're handing out vets out to get out of the military early. they're getting 15 years in. they're shown the door without any kind of retirement. politicians get lifetime retirement for serving one term
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in office. it just doesn't make any sense for me. >> it's just like waiting in line at disneyland and if you don't like it, that's the way it goes -- >> with all due respect -- >> wounded vet, let him make his point. then i'll go to you. >> sergeant, with all due respect, i think it's shallow for you to say trump only gave $4.5 million. it's $1.5 million. i think that's a ridiculous statement. i think it's honestly uncharacteristic of a veteran to say something like that, respectively. >> go ahead, sergeant. >> i didn't say any of that. what i did say is people need to be held accountable for what they do say and what they do do. if he makes a mistake, hey, it's no big deal, own up to it. i made many mistakes in my life. veterans are setting themselves on fire because they're not getting the help that they need in front of a va center. you know, we could get on fox right here and we should be raising money and actually do something. we could raise money for the
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vets right now. i'm on the board of three nonprofits. let's do that. 100% of our money goes right to the vets. so who he says he is, let him -- it's all going to come out in the wash. the truth will be there, you know. >> guys, thank you. >> all i know is bush is still out there helping the vets. he doesn't have to be. he's still welcoming them home every time. that's the reality -- >> i got to go, guys. thank you, both, for your service. thanks for being here tonight. >> thank you. the trump campaign is also defending itself tonight from new fallout after the campaign posted a hard-hitting new ad that goes after bill clinton and hillary clinton. watch. >> i was very nervous. no woman should be subjected to it. >> it was an assault. >> he started. i tried to pull away from him. >> not 24 hours later, a number of media outlets were quick to remind mr. trump that he did not
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exactly stand up for the women who had accused bill clinton of wrongdoing. in fact, quite the opposite. here's one example. >> these people are just -- i don't know where we met hip, where he found him, but the whole group, it's truly an unattractive cast of characters. linda tripp, lucianian gullburg. i mean this woman, i watch her on television, she is so bad. the whole group, paula jones, lewinsky. it's just a really unattractive group. >> and he went on to say, and i mean that physically as well, physically unattractive. our chief political correspondent is reporting tonight from albuquerque, new mexico. carl. >> hi, trump makes all of this a counterpunch. he cast his criticism of bill and hillary clinton, particularly bill clinton's relationships with women over the course of his presidency and before as his measure of backing
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down hillary clinton when she accuses donald trump of being a sexist or being misogynist. trump argues the rhetoric has been sexist, has denigrated women, has objectified them, has made their personal attraction more important than the quality of their personality and character, and trump says if they're going to come after me with those types of criticism, then it's fair game for donald trump to go after bill clinton's relationship with women and his many scandals during his presidency. things like the rape allegations by juanita broderick. just recently, trump suggested one of the things that has to be brought up is a discussion of vince foster. hillary clinton's law partner at one point who committed suicide during the early stages of clinton's candidacy. so trump isn't backing down from criticism. he has a rally in new mexico tonight. this is a state where there is almost a majority, 48% of the
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state is hispanic. as a consequence, his immigration rhetoric, his rhetoric towards minorities and immigrants, is considered very controversial. and this is likely to be a very hot rally. it's a huge crowd here. the overhead voice of god has warned people to stay away from demonstrators. when trump takes the stage in a few moments, you can expect there to be a lot of raucous crowd demonstrators being hauled out. as bill and hillary clinton and donald trump argue over their past. and who has the worser of the pasts. >> carl, good to see you, we'll stay on this situation in albuquerque as news warrants. my next guest knows this story very well. he covered it in depth when the whole clinton scandal broke. brit hume is our fox news senior political analyst. to those who say this is ancient history about bill clinton, there's no there there, move along, what say you? >> well, back at the time when all of this -- these allegations against president clinton were
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surfacing, the woman, juanita broderick who appears in this trump ad, accused the president of rape, of raping her in a hotel room in little rock. her charges were specific. she was who she said she was. there's no doubt about that. and a lot of us found the allegations credible. at least credible to the point where they bore serious investigation. and i always believed that based on the rest of his conduct that the allegations were likely true. nbc news' lisa myers did an interview with juanita broderick in which she explained the whole thing. nbc sat on it for a long time, to the point where one night back when i was the anchor of special report, we went on the air that night on the panel and we were all wearing buttons that said, as you can see, free lisa myers. >> you found your button. >> i did, i found it -- >> this is when he was running? so nbc buried the report because he was the democrat running for president? >> well, i can't identify their
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motives because i can't read minds but they sat on that report. it finally did air, but it was never seriously followed up by the rest of the media. that doesn't necessarily mean that what donald trump is saying does not represent a complete flip-flop about what he was saying at the scandals at the time. what strikes me about it, my view, if he calls everybody to that case, that would not be an unwelcome thing. as for the rest of it, the things he's saying, i'm not going to account for those. he certainly once had a friendly relationship as that photograph is established with the clintons. if he thought the guy was a r e rapirap rapist at the time, it's an odd thing to invite him to his wedding. an attempt on his part, as carl even suggested, to throw up some anti-aircraft fire against the bombardment which i think he's expecting and is already to some extend under way from her, from hillary clinton, about his past statements and actions towards
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women. >> obviously trump has taken a lot of incoming with respect to his treatment as well, including his own ex wife, ivana trump, accusing him of raping her in sworn deposition testimony which she has since recanted. it was 30 years ago and during the course of a divorce proceeding. people say a lot of things, even under oath, that are not true. there is much to be slung on both sides. the american voter, when you listen to this, he raped her, whether women and others in this country are going to say gross. where's gary johnson? what are the people supposed to do with this? >> well, i must say to you, megyn, this goes to character, and character is always a valid issue. and certainly one's attitude toward and treatment of women is a valid issue. especially for the president of the united states. i mean, people may look at this and be turned off by it and wish the campaign were about
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something perhaps more ed fifyi. but it's not unfair to ask the public this question. look how women were treated last time the clintons were in the white house. you want a rerun of that? that's not an unfair question. of course people by the same token, response can be, well, do you want this guy with his long record of sexual conquests and bragging about them, do you want him in the oval office? it's not an illegitimate issue. it may not be an attractive issue but there it is. >> what are you doing for the next eight years, mm, mm? free brit hume. >> i'm too old to get in that kind of trouble. >> great to see you, brit. as brit just mentioned, we're already seeing bloody knuckles in this general election fight between trump and clinton. newt gingrich is next on where this goes from here. plus, we've got new information on the federal investigation involving a close friend of the clintons, a chinese billionaire and some questionable campaign
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well, you just heard brit talking about the clintons, donald trump, sex scandals and character. joining me, former speaker of the house newt gingrich. the author of "rediscovering god in america." speaker in the house during the clinton impeachment process. mr. speaker, good to see you. bill clinton got in trouble not so much for the affair but for lying about it under oath. so let me just take you back to the affair itself. since we're talking about affairs and alleged sexual misconduct, whether you think that's fair game in the election. >> i think you drew a very important key distinction. the problem the president faced that led to impeoplement was he committed perjury which led to a felony and ultimately he lost his right to practice law for five or six years in arkansas because he was guilty. these other allegations, i'd never heard the story about nbc
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sitting on the charges of broderick. there's no question that there have been a lot of fairly offensive stories floating around bill clinton for most of his career. i think this whole thing is sad. and i think it's probably unavoidable. i mean, we're living through an era where, you know, we're getting deeper and deeper into the gutter in a whole range of ways and this campaign is part of this process. >> she's on record, hillary clinton, as saying, when someone alleges she's been raped, you believe her. juanita broderick, if i'm not mistaken, never filed charges against bill clinton. she made the allegations. she sued him. that case was dismissed. suing him other documents she wanted him to maintain. but, you know, what kind of a position does that put hillary clinton in? these are all the women who allege -- the top three allege they were assaulted by bill clinton, the bottom two had affairs with him, that was established. go ahead.
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>> i think this is the whole challenge she has because she's kind of a transitional figure. in some ways, her career started back when it was very alleging and very difficult for professional women to rise. and she worked very, very hard. and she fought her way very hard. and she broke through a lot glass ceilings including at the rose law firm in little rock. on the other hand, this is, now, you know, 30 years later, and younger women are looking at her and they don't understand what a lot of this stuff is all about. and i think probably most younger women, if they had somebody who did what bill did, who have walked out. it's very hard for her to play this role -- >> well, you can't judge that, you know, obviously hillary didn't believe the rape allegations but what he admitted to is he had some affairs. many people are unhappy in their marriages and make stupid decisions when it comes to how to find happiness. it's a different matter when you lie about it under oath.
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and certainly rape is a different matter altogether. >> when you lie to the entire country, which he did in april of 1998. i mean, so you've got to look at this. all i'm saying is this is going to be a mess. it's going to stay a mess for a while. hillary's a very aggressive attacker. she's up against an opponent who thinks that one of the lessons to learn from 2012 is to never let a liberal democratic get away with an attack. so trump has done a counterattack very aggressively. we saw him do it all during the primaries. he's going to now pick up whatever he can find and throw it at her. >> do you think this puts her back on her heels? does this make her say, never mind, i'm not going to go down that route? >> i thing it gets inside her head and i think it's very painful for her to deal with. probably very hard for she and bill to deal with. this is something that's with them over and over and over again as they try to sort things out in terms of they'd like to focus on the campaign. they'd like to focus on their positive message.
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instead, they have evenings like tonight where the media's at best not good and at worst is terrible. and i think part of the trump technique is to just surround her with so much noise that she can't think very clearly. >> and yet is it pointing to other bad behavior to defend one's own bad behavior? because there's no question trump has talked about women in derogatory terms. >> no reasonable person is going to go back and try to defend, you know, donald trump and some of the dumber things he did over the course of his life. including, by the way, donald trump. he has this lovely way of saying, look, now i'm a public figure, now i'm a grandfather, now i'm a mature adult -- >> -- even during the past year? >> he has said some things i would assume he didn't say. i'm not defending him. i think he's going to basically say he is a much more mature person given the things you were talking about then he was back when these things happen. he can't deny them.
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then you get in a fight that is hopeless. so he has to shrug them off and say now that i'm a public figure, now i'm in a different place, i'm a guy that you can respect. >> mr. speaker, always great speaking with you. new details on the fbi investigation involving a close friend of the clintons. governor mcauliffe of virginia. also a chinese billionaire involved in this and some questionable campaign donations. the governor was forced to speak out on this today. up next, how this could affect the presidential race. plus, some people are alleging debby wasserman shultz is about to go. we'll ask about that. also, some ugly questions tonight for the baltimore prosecutor trying to convict six cops in the death of freddie gray. allen dershowitz is here on why he thinks the d.a. should pay a price for her actionings. if you've gone to extremes to escape your nasal allergies.
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breaking tonight, exclusive new polling results just in to "the kelly file" with what the pollster is calling, quote, the path to the presidency. seven key swing states. he asked almost three dozen questions and determined the key to this election will be how one group of voters come down on the question of honest and trustworthy. joining me now, frank lutz, ceo of lutz global and the author of
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"what americans really want, really." good to see you. so what did you find? >> the key here is to go to the states that really matter. not a national sample, but just those that could actually determine the election. and if you can put up that slide, we went to florida, ohio, north carolina, nevada, wisconsin and pennsylvania. and new hampshire. and these are the states that are going to determine who wins and who loses. what we found is there's a key 11% of the electiorate who doesn't want either clinton or trump. call them "none of the above." to me, it's going to be the none of the above voters. 1 out of every 9 that will determine this election. the key component to them is they're not issue voters, they're attribute voters. if you look at then, 2 out of 3 are women, which is good for hillary clinton. they're younger voters, which is also good for clinton. but politically, they lean towards the republicans. a majority voter for mitt romney
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in the last election. and they feel better towards the gop. however, the most important component is they are character voters. they're attribute voters. the attribute that matters the most is honest and trustworthy -- >> well, they have nobody then, because the polls show that the voters don't think donald is trustworthy and they don't think she is either. >> that's exactly the point. the candidate that can prove they are less untrustworthy is the candidate that's going to win. these are people that are going to reject -- >> who lies less. >> unfortunately, that's what we've been now. it's why so many americans are angry. the last 50 years of polling, we've never had a situation where both the republican and democrat were this much disliked this early in the campaign. that's why these people matter so much. >> they are so pessimistic, but you do say this shows you a legitimate path for donald trump. why is that? >> i've never said this on air, i've never said this to a reporter, for the first time, i can now see donald trump winning
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the election in november for two reasons. number one, if these voters are particularly angry, mad, with the conditions in the country. and once again, that's closer to the republican position. they think america's best days are behind us. they think people are working longer hours for less money. and they're frustrated with washington. and number two, they don't like traditional politics and they don't like traditional politicians. yes, hillary clinton would be the first woman. but she's been in office for 25 years. a quarter of a century. that's what bothers them. that's why trump has the advantage. if he can keep them, that is his path to the white house. >> among gop voters, if you want a change, he's been your guy in every exit poll. frank, great to see you. >> thank you. >> the clinton campaign is dealing with questions about virginia governor mcauliffe. a longtime pal of the president and first lady. meaning former president bill clinton and former first lady hillary clinton. wanna be president hillary clinton. it gets confusing. so the current governor of virginia is now the subject of
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an fbi probe into possible illegal contributions from a chinese billionaire. here he is earlier. >> governor, what's your level of confidence that you have not received illegal contributions? >> no one's alleged any wrongdoing on my part. there's an individual who wrote a check who we feel is 100% okay to write the check. do your own research on this gentleman. >> no concern whatsoever this is going to negatively impact hillary clinton and her race for the presidency? >> i don't think it will affect hillary clinton at all, won't affect me at all. >> mm, joining me now, robert zimmerman, a clinton supporter and democratic strategist, and the former chief speechwriter for george bush and fox news contributor. basically the fbi is probing whether mcauliffe accepted an illegal campaign donation or many from this chinese billionaire who also happens to be a big donor to the clinton foundation. mcauliffe is very tight with the clintons. the question is whether they're trying to figure out whether it
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was a pay to play, like i'm going to donate to terry, i'm going to donate to the clinton foundation and i'll have a bunch of favors from these people. do i have it right? >> i have it right but that's only scratching the surface of it. this guy, is name is mr. wang, he's a member of the national peoples congress in communist china, comb nicht party's highest governing body. he's a green cardholder so he's technically legally allowed to contribute. he gave $120,000 to mcauliffe's campaign. he gave $2 million to the clinton foundation. he gave $1.4 million in lobbying fees to lobby hillary clinton state department when she was in office so a little bit of a nexus there. i think it's a bit bigger than this. this investigation has been going on for more than a year. it doesn't take the fbi a year and the justice department a year to check the green card status of one person. they are looking deeply into terry mcauliffe's personal and campaign finances and that is bad news for hillary clinton because her campaign finances and personal finances are deeply intertwined with mcauliffe.
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>> mark makes the point clearly and accurately that he has no facts. in fact, if mark had any facts, he might be dangerous or even interesting. the reality here is what we know. that is simply that governor mcauliffe, who i am a great admirerer of, governor mcauliffe was shocked by the news that came out. he's cooperating fully. there are no facts that have been established. as you reported last night on the kelly file, there are no allegations against the clinton foundation. >> in this probe. >> i'm sorry? >> in this probe. there's a separate -- fox news reported there's a separate probe into that foundation. >> the source at fox news, that was so inaccurate it had to be reissued -- >> independently reporting, not based on the book -- >> let's be clear, obviously the right wing is going to use the news stories for character assassination by suspicion and if you get your news from rush limbaugh or sitting stoned in
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your parent's basement on twitter hate mongering, this might be relevant to you. >> oh, oh, oh. >> but this election will see who can speak to the future of our country, that's what it's all about. >> mark, were you stoned in your parent's basement -- >> he was eating cheetos before this segment. >> there you go. you know, robert, i feel sorry for you because it must be hard 20 years coming up with new excuses for these people either single time -- >> never a reason for an excuse -- >> the reality -- look, the reality, as catherine harris reported, broke the news in january, the fbi investigation into hillary clinton has expanded beyond the e-mail noogs a public corruption investigation and the nexus between the donors, the clinton foundation and efforts to influence the state department. "the washington post" reported in 2015 there are 175 mcauliffe donors who overlap with the clinton foundation donors -- >> and what's wrong with that? and by the way, i'm one of -- >> let him make the point. >> robert, wait. >> okay, mark. >> so there is a nexus because their foonss are intertwined.
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the donors who are being investigated by the fbi and hillary clinton's case are the same people who gave money to mcauliffe. >> he's like a money guy. he gets money from these politicians. he's like a handler. he gets -- he's connected. listen, i got to go but i have to ask about this report that debbie wasserman schultz may be getting forced out of the dnc, considered too divisive to unify. you're a dnc member, is that true? >> that report is about as accurate as mark's analysis of mcauliffe's situation. the reality is -- >> so we'll leave it to viewers to decide how accurate. >> i was impressed by how many leading democrats came to the chairwoman's defense including pelosi, mikulski. >> it's the benny sanders supporters who don't like her. >> i think she's put a lot of bernie sanders supporters on the platform in different committees and i think she'll be fine. >> he's still in the race, by the way. it's not techniqcally over on te
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great to see you, professor. you say this is serious misconduct by this young woman, by this prosecutor, why? >> overcharging. she charged one officer with murder 2 based on depraved. these are officers who, you know, may have made a mistake but they are not guilty of criminal conduct. what she tried to do is stop the mob. i understand that, but you don't use the criminal justice system to solve racial problems. she's a symptom of a larger problem. black lives matter is endangering the fairness of our legal system. because they're rooting for outcomes based on race. started a long time ago. started with the o.j. simpson case. >> you know a thing or two about this. >> african-americans wanted an acquittal without regard to the evidence. now, many want convictions without regard to the evidence. we cannot allow our justice system to be turned into a kind of racial categorization where people root -- >> we're seeing that here in some of the reporting about this
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case. they mentioned the race of the officer, white, the race of gray, black, and they failed to mention the race of the judge who tried the case who is african-american. >> or the lawyer for the family who is african-american who said the judge came to the right conclusion. >> that's right. >> even though his client was killed -- >> but they, you know, we had a guy on the show last night who didn't want to listen to anything about it. i kept asking what did officer nero do, tell me specifically. all he kept saying, a lot of the media was saying, standards need to be changed so we can make it easier to get these cops. >> you can't change proof beyond a reasonable doubt. you can't change better ten guilty go free than one innocent be con fined. we can't allow racial differences to distort our criminal justice system. >> could you go after mosby for malicious prosecution? >> i think this is politically motivated prosecution. i think voters will because she
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oversold the case and everybody's disappointed. the black community's disappointed because she didn't get results and she probably won't get results. many in the white community disappointed because she overcharged police officers who were doing their duty, but this -- >> and told the community this is your moment. no, it's not your moment, it is not. my special last week on fox broadcast, i interviewed robert shapiro about the o.j. case on which -- >> great interview. >> thank you, thank you so much. he talked about trying on the bloody glove. the dream team and himself. the day before we saw ocht j. do it in court. watch. >> i tried the glove on. it was a little bit wide in my palm and a little bit long in my fingers. o.j. simpson has enormous hands. and i knew that that glove would not fit him. >> really? >> wouldn't even be close. >> did you feel in that moment when you put your hand in the glove that you were trying on the glove of the person who
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murdered these two people? >> as you say it now, it is chilling, but i was looking for one thing and one thing only, the size of that glove. i was there also when the glove was tried on. i went back with o.j. and remember, he had tried it on with some detective. and he tried it on afterward without the protective. and it didn't fit. under california law, they could have made o.j. simpson try it on outside of the presence of the jury before they made the decision to have him try it on in front of the jury, and they were so arrogant they didn't do it. i was sitting right next to o.j. he walked u. eed up to the jury said, it doesn't fit. he had testified to that jury in that one moment. >> so it was a stunning thing to listen to and just to ask him whether he thought he had tried on the glove of a murderer, right? >> it is chilling.
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you never know if you're a defense attorney, you just never know for sure. you have your opinions but you never know for sure. >> professor, great to see you. when the associated press wrote the bulletin on officer nero's acquittal in baltimore, it said, quote, prosecutors failed for the second time in their bid to hold baltimore police accountable for the arrest and death of freddie gray. to hold the police accountable. kevin jackson is a fox news contributor and executive director of the blacksphere.net. good to see you both. is that the right question, is it that they failed to hold him accountable? >> no, i think it's a terrible way to state that. i think dershowitz nailed it. he said now it's no longer about news, it's about setting the narrative that the news wants to -- the verdict that they want -- and the outcome. and i think this is the perfect example of it in baltimore. i think foreign nero's case, th was nothing there, it never should have been a case at all.
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we're in a point now in this society when that outcome is meant to be had and the media's going to make sure it happens. >> i look at this, i don't know, i'm not sure whether accountable is, you know, a problem the way they phrased it. another news outlet said his acquittal shows how hard it is to convict officers accused of serious crime. is that what it shows? it just shows they didn't have the goods here. they have nothing against officer nero. >> well, the nero case was obviously not the strongest case. we have to keep in mind the justice is not about a particular outcome, it's about having a fair and transparent process where we treat everyone equally. that's what justice is about. >> did we have that here? >> accountability is the order of the day. i think we had that in this case. the judge looked at facts. he came to a conclusion that is legally and factually correct. >> to have reports that -- i mean, mark lamont hill out there yesterday saying this shows that
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black lives have no value in america. the judge is african-american. i mean, how does it show that? they had nothing against this cop, nothing. >> right, well, you touched on it earlier. when you said they did not report that the judge was black. they did not report that the family said this was the right verdict for nero's case. they're not telling you these cops probably didn't act maliciously. did they do something wrong? perhaps. but did we have to go to that next step every single time and suddenly it becomes racial? that's the problem in america. that's why nobody trusts the media anymore because it's no locker about really trying to find the fact, it's a reality show. it's a new reality show that says what's more popular. >> i'll give you the last word. >> trust is the central issue here. we saw, the walter scott case, the tamir rice case, the narrative given by the police officers was vastly different than what we saw on video. >> that's a problem, and there definitely have been problematic
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from the world headquarters of fox news, it's "the kelly file" with megyn kelly. >> it's not always fun when your job is to report certain stories but instead, you become the story.
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and tonight, a local sports anchor in san francisco knows exactly what i mean. thanks to an on-air rant involving space jam that has now gone viral. trace gallagher has the story in our west coast newsroom. trace? >> reporter: megyn, gary has been a much loved bay area sports anchor for decades, not really a huge opinion guy and doesn't appear to be a cantankerous soul but looked annoyed when his longtime co-anchor broke the news lebron james had been asked to star in revamp of "sports jam." turns out he was planning to read the same story. >> how long have we been friends? >> i didn't know you were going to do. >> did you ever hear me say right before you came on, there's an irrigation problem in gilroy? >> you'll have to talk to chris. >> never heard me say, oh, it's warm weather today. never. i stay in my lane. >> yeah. the anchor there tried to blame it on the producer. don't they all? he had none of it. going on to continue his tirade.
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play it again? >> okay. i shouldn't have brought it up. >> yeah, it's going to be great. michael jordan starred in "space jam" as you earlier reported. >> i'm sorry. >> hard to be mad at catherine, though, she's good friend of my mom's. there's going to come a time where you have to choose between the love of your mother and your mother's friend and the honor and dignity of crime. >> yes. well the sports anchor got a lot of pushback and the news anchor got a lot of support from the viewers. both said it was meant to be funny. that he was just playing around. didn't really look very funny. on either side of the anchor desk there. megyn? >> man up. okay? >> yeah. >> it happens. it happens. i'm with her. >> it happens. >> trace, great to see you. >> you, too. >> what do you think? @meg @megynkelly on twitter. we'll be back with a fun "star wars" late night addition.
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zblnchsz oh, hi. today my husband, doug and i had the pleasure of hearing the new york philharmonic at lincoln center from "jaws" to "star wars" and crossed over to the dark side. doug is still there. i hope he's okay. good night. welcome to "hannity." this is a fox news alert. voting in the washington state republican primary ends in one hour from right now. at this hour, donald trump, well, he's holding a rally in albuquerque, new mexico. let's listen in. >> then we come home to lagar laguardia, a third-world airport. we come home to kennedy, come home to l.a.x. and newark. we come home to these airports, they look like -- i better not say it because i'll get in trouble. i better not say. oh, thank you. thank you. i appreciate you saying say it. no, no. i've learned don't even joke a little bit. don't even joke a lit