we're going to be talking about that more in the second hour of "happening now." heather: yep. he reached that 1238, actually, one over what was needed. we'll be right back here, as you said, in an hour. jon: "outnumbered" starts right now. sandra: this is a fox news alert. donald trump reportedly reaching the number of delegates needed to clinch the republican nomination for president. this is "outnumbered." i'm sandra smith. here today, kimberly guilfoyle, co-host of "after the bell" on fox business, melissa francis, nationally syndicated talk show host meghan mccain, and we welcome back to the couch senior editor for the national review, jonah goldberg is here and, sir, you are outnumbered. welcome back. >> it's great to be here. sandra: i noticed your twitter profile, your picture, is a dog. >> yes. [laughter] sandra: is that your dog? >> that is my departed, dead dog. >> oh! >> thank you.

he was cosmo, the wonder dog, the it dog of the american right long before jasper -- sandra: i was just going to say! [laughter] >> these hungarians, they take jobs our dogs won't do, apparently. >> hear that? [laughter] sandra: all right. we've got a lot to get to. thanks for being here. is associated press -- the associated press is now reporting donald trump has the number of delegates needed to be the republican nominee. it takes 1237 delegates, that number we've all been watching, to win the gop nomination. and according to the ap the billionaire businessman now has 1238 delegates. he was put over the top by a small number of the party's unbound delegates who told the news agency they support him at the convention. when this contest began, 17 republicans were in the race. trump's unlikely rise to the top upended the political landscape, and now it sets the stage for a bitter general election campaign.

we're expecting to hear from him soon at a news conference in bismarck, north dakota, and we will, obviously, be monitoring that and bring you any breaking news as it renders. but, jonah, what do you make of that? topping that 1237 number by one, but he could win a lot more to pad that. >> yeah. he's going to get it. even though these unbound delegates could change their mind down the road, after california and new jersey he'll have the 1237 no matter what. once ted cruz got out, it became a foregone conclusion. at least officially the stop trump movement within the republican party is over. the distinction, which is sometimes lost on a lot of people, there's a stop trump movement and the never trump movement. the stop trump movement failed, he won the nomination, it's his to do with as he sees fit. sandra: where is the gop? meghan, i want to bring you in here, as far as coming around to support donald trump at this point?

moag moag 36% of americans are open to voting third party. i really want to get onboard with trump, but when he attacks the governor of new mexico when he's supposed to be bringing the party together, the only latina female governor in the country, she's the head of the governors' association in this country, i just don't understand what he's doing because people like me are having pressure on them to support him, but he has to play ball and be a leader as well and stop, you know, shooting inside the tent. aim all your bullets at the clintons right now. sandra: it does feel like there's constant reminders, kimberly, that the general election is a much different game than the primary. how will donald trump do once he faces hillary clinton in the general. kimberly: right. the problem is, you know, trump's got an ak-47, so he's got a lot of spray for everybody. [laughter] he's like you cross me, you don't back me, obviously, he wanted her to show up with him at the rally. she wasn't quite there yet. i don't know that it helped her get there, of course, by the comments that he made. [laughter]

but that's a businessman's approach versus a politician because in donald trump's world with the art of the deal, you cross me, i'm going to get you back. you you don't support me, i'm going to push back on you, you know, that type of punching/counterpunching. yes, there's 25 million advisers in the world that probably would have told him, hey, that's not a good thing to do, but that's not his personality or his speed. that's not even, like, what his hard core supporters expect. he's going to be like, hey, listen, by the way, maybe i should run for governor of new mexico. >> right. >> he has his hard core supporters already. politics is supposed to be about addition. >> you're right. sandra: go ahead, melissa. melissa: he can't help throwing that molotov cocktail out there, as long as we're doing weapon analogies here. [laughter] maybe i'll run for governor while i'm at it, it's amazing, but when you see him go over the top with this announcement from ap, it's kind of like i keep having this conversation with people who hate him saying i

think it's time to reconcile yourself with the possibility that he could win this whole thing. and it's amazing the number of people who say to me, no, he will not -- you know, that george clooney-esque, he cannot become president, it won't happen. >> he already has his demographic. he needs women, and he needs hispanic people. sue -- susana martinez represents both, so why alienate -- sandra: i think she may not be the vp pick. [laughter] going out on a limb. looking at those delegates that brought him over that number, steve house, one of the unbound delegates who confirmed his support of trump in this ap report, said he likes the billionaire's background as a businessman, but he's quoted saying leadership is leadership. this continues to be the main theme behind those who decide to support him. >> no, that's right.

and this is going to be an argument for a very long time for people who, like meghan, want to hear something, want to be persuaded to get on board this train. my problem is that it's so clear when he says one thing one day, there's already a shelf life where it could expire including on things like judges and all of that. so it's very difficult for me to get to the threshold of trusting him that he'll actually be a conservative president. but he's doing surprisingly well at unifying the party. kimberly: what about the supreme court picks? >> that was a smart thing to do. my problem was within 24 hours he says, well, i might add to it. this is sort of representatives. i think hugh hewitt is right, he should actually appear with a specific human being and say this is my guy or gal to replace scalia instead of merrick garland and run as, essentially, a de facto ticket. that would be much more reassuring to me. sandra: first it was the blistering report, now the fallout. hillary clinton ur7b fire

following a scathing 83-page report from the state department's inspector general. slamming her for breaking the agency's e-mail rules. in her first respondent, a confident-sounding clinton telling univision her e-mails won't be a factor in the election. saying, quote: it's the same story. it's not an issue that is going to affect either the campaign or my presidency. but the ig's report sent the clinton camp into damage control. over the past 24 hours, her spokesperson, brian fall louis vuitton, defending her on "special report" saying other secretaries of state have used private e-mail while conducting official business. also this stunning exchange, fallon to telling bret baier that hillary's private server was never hacked. >> there was no evidence that this personal server of hers was ever breached successfully -- >> well, hold on, about that -- >> there were attempted intrusions, but none of them were successful. >> well, you don't know that. how do you know that?

>> well, there has been reporting out of the ongoing justice department review that they've looked at the logs, the security logs for that server and found no evidence of -- >> so this hacker, gucifer, you don't buy that he got into the server? >> actually, we don't, and there's no evidence to corroborate that. sandra: all right. jonah wants to jump in. we'll let you react in just a second. [laughter] donald trump wasting no time pouncing on the news of this report. >> as i say crooked hillary, crooked hillary -- [cheers and applause] she's as crooked as they come. she had a little bad news today, as you know, from some reports came down weren't so good. but not so good, the inspector general's report, not good. but i want to run against hillary. i just want to run against her. look, i don't know if you're going to be able to -- sandra: he wants to run against her, he wants to debate her. [laughter]

let's get back to that exchange between bret baier and brian fallon because hillary clinton's camp coming out very confident in response to this report. >> yeah, and they're full of it. [laughter] i mean, fallon reminds me of kevin bacon in animal house saying remain calm, all is well as he gets trampled by panicking rioters. [laughter] it's complete nonsense. and the thing that drives me crazy about the way this has all been reported, yeah, it's news, i get it, we get more details, that's good, but this confirms something we've known for over a year: that what hillary clinton did was wrong, that she's been lying about it. that original press conference at the united nations was lies from beginning to end, and that's been proven over and over again, and this is a classic clinton m.o. where they fog it up, make it sound like it's a complicated story -- it's not -- and whenever new revelations come that prove new lies are no longer operative, they say that's old news. what she did was outrageous, and

she should be held accountable. sandra: speaking of the clinton m.o., this was in 2015, a couple words from her, and i'll get kimberly's response. >> my personal e-mail use was fully above board, it was allowed by the state department as they have confirmed. the truth is everything i did was permitted, and i went above and beyond what anybody could have expected in making sure that if the state department didn't capture something, i made a real effort to get it to them. sandra: my personal e-mail, kimberly, she said, was fully aboveboard. again, that was back in december of 2015. [laughter] kimberly: really, what are their standards, right? how low can you go? the problem is everything she said has been completely contradicted. so trump may need to take the lyin back from poor ted cruz and apply it to hillary, because literally every time the lips are moving, there's a falsehood being put forward. this has completely been contradicted by the state department, by the audit that

says, in fact, she did abuse it, she did not follow the policy and the protocol. don't think that the fbi hasn't already figured that out, and that's why this investigation is still going forward. melissa: go back to what trump said. he said, hang on a second, i want to run against hillary clinton. i think who republicans are rooting for hillary to be indicted, that's a mistake. if she is and something happens, they're not going to run bernie sanders -- >> biden. melissa: they're going to parachute in biden, and if he comes out swinging, the narrative there evil republicans pulling her from the race, that gets dangerous. >> if they do that, i would love for them to do that. then bernie says, wait a second, i got more votes than almost anybody, i'm going to run third party, that's good for trump, or it could create a four-way race. kimberly: i just want to know at what point is the fbi going to take legal action. you're talking about her being indicted. i am not traditionally a conspiracy theorist, but if it were a republican, they'd be

already sitting in jail. sandra: there'd be a perp walk. meghan: yeah. i just don't understand why we're waiting around, what it's going to take for her to get indicted. >> there are not any republicans i want to see walk naked -- [laughter] but i get your point. sandra: just to round this out as far as the timing, both attorney general loretta lynch and fbi correcter james comey have said they will not be rushed, so timing's going to be everything with this. president obama slamming donald trump on the world stage. what he said about the presumptive republican nominee and how it could impact the election here at home. and a new katie couric documentary about guns getting hit with accusations of deceptive editing. we'll play a clip for you to compare. and take a look at whether viewers are being misled. and right after the show catch more from the couch. as always find us on overtime on foxnews.com, and now you can also find us live on facebook.

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kimberly: just hours before donald trump reportedly clinched the republican nomination, president obama was blasting him on the world stage. mr. obama at the g7 summit in japan was asked at a news conference today to describe how he thinks world leaders perceive trump. watch this. >> they're rattled by him, and for good reason, because a lot of the proposals that he's made display either ignorance of world affairs or a cavalier attitude or an interest in getting tweets and headlines instead of actually thinking through what it is that is required to keep america safe. kimberly: okay. i'm going to tell you what i said. [laughter] very low energy, didn't he? first of all, why is the president commenting on this, and how is he to decide? because, actually, the american

people have determined that they do like what he has to say, they do like his policies, his ideas and his principles of governing. i mean, sandra, they've responded in resounding numbers at, you know, debates they've come forward, i've seen them swarm him at places to try and get pictures. sandra: okay. let me start by answering as a journalist. i quickly went, okay, so what are these specific world leaders saying? how are they rattled by donald trump? i couldn't find anything. he didn't cite any leader, world leader as being rattled by donald trump. so you have to sit there and look is he just coming up with this on his own? meghan: and have some respect. president bush never said anything about president obama when he was elected. he still hasn't criticized him. why can't you just go out with some class? apparently, you cannot. and he's going around already putting a negative tone about our possible next president. i find that wildly unprofessional, wildly disrespectful, and it's so classic president obama in every conceivable way. if it's not about him and he

isn't making the final word about he is, you know, the saint that tried to change everything, then we're all just horrible, and no one can live up to him. i can't handle this, and you're doing it on the world stage. take a page out of of the bush of president bush. melissa: it's everybody's favorite urban myth right now, i was in another country, and they were all talking about the fact that -- whatever it is. [laughter] they need to start recording these conversations, because -- kimberly: yeah. we want documentation. melissa: i also love his language when he says his ignorance of world affairs instead of actually thinking through policy. in other words, he's stupid, and anyone who supports donald trump is also stupid. calling voters and people out there stupid is not a great strategy. kimberly: no, it's not. melissa: that's kind of what gets the fire in the belly of people who follow trump anyway. yeah, you think i'm stupid, and that's why you told me if i wanted to keep my doctor, i could keep my doctor, that we could have anytime, anywhere inspections of iran.

>> i have a slightly different take. i actually believe there are a lot of foreign leaders who are rattled about him. what would it matter if we had a trade war, letting the japanese and the south koreans get nukes. there are lots of things he has said that are scary to a lot of people in foreign government. that said, i agree entirely. it's incredibly stupid for obama to be doing this. first of all, there's the politics ending at the water's edge thing which he always charges his opponents of violating but never himself. and second of all, you're exactly right, he comes across so unbelievably condescending. and this is not a new thing just about trump. this is the guy who said hillary clinton's supporters in the pennsylvania primary were just bitter clingers holding onto their guns and bibles. this is his m.o. for his entire presidency. if you disagree with me it's because you've got bad motives or you're stupid. and one of the reasons why a lot of people are rallying to donald trump is they see him as a corrective to obama's attitude -- sandra: let me give you an

example of a world leader who was rattled is vicente fox, the former president of mexico. and guess what? he came back full circle and nearly apologized to donald trump for the things that he said. he obviously spoke out about donald trump saying he was going to build a wall. >> yeah. doesn't shock me that the president of mexico would be rattled about, you know, a potential president of the united states building a wall or the muslim ban. there are all sorts of things that -- that's donald trump's point, is he's trying to rattle -- kimberly: and you know what? i'm glad. i heard that isis is rattled and kim jong un in north korea, china's concerned, japan, russia -- although putin has a secret man crush on him. i heard that too. [laughter] this just in. too bad president obama has crowd envy and tweet envy. >> ooh! meghan: so true. even more fallout in the hillary clinton e-mail scandal. kimberly: cheryl mills set to be questioned tomorrow about clinton's use of that privacy e-mail server.

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recordings to distort her testimony and advance what they call the group's anti-clinton agenda. however, mills agreeing to the release of a transcript of her testimony, although the state department has said it may object if the testimony strays into sensitive areas. jonah, i'm going to start with you. what do you think they're going to use that audio and video for, like a trump ad? >> oh, actually, i absolutely do not blame or am surprised by that the clinton team doesn't want video of this out. melissa: yeah, no. >> even if she doesn't say anything bad, just the optics of her under the spotlight, you know, being interrogated about the e-mail would look bad. and the clintons have every reason not to like, you know, judicial watch. as a member of the vast right-wing conspiracy going back 20 years -- [laughter] i can tell you they've done yeoman work at exposing the stuff the clintons do. so it's completely understandable they would want to do this. whether or not a judge agrees to

it is a whole different matter. melissa: kimberly, what do we expect from the testimony? kimberly: i think this is going to be problematic, it's going to be damaging. how can it be good given the length and breadth and depth of this investigation? this is an insider in every sense of word, someone who was definitely in the inner circle, privy to a tremendous amount of information. when you have somebody like that under oath, anything can happen and be revealed. at a certain point people might start to think about self-preservation and self-interest than just blinding loyalty to the clintons because someone's going to take a fall on this, and it's going to be like who's going down. melissa: meghan, what do you think we could possibly hear that we haven't heard though? meghan: listen, they keep saying hillary clinton's complied in every way, and it comes out she hasn't do anything. if there's nothing to hide, why doesn't hillary clinton do an interview with the investigator general? i'm so exhausted with all of this, again, we talked about this yesterday.

there's obviously something there, and i, again, getting my conspiracy hat back on. maybe there's something we could find out about benghazi. i know many of us still want to know what happened that night, and it could be in those e-mails. i'm hoping that's what's in it. sandra: but to be clear, they're saying you can have the transcript -- meghan: but if you have nothing to hide, what does it matter? sandra: right. they're worried, you make a great point, they're worried they won't provide context to what she was saying at the time. kimberly: going to be in a make america great video. sandra: exactly. how much of this is just setting the standard for what's to come? huma abedin is set to testify next month, so if they can stop the audio and video recordings of cheryl mills, the first to testify from clinton's inner circle, well, then maybe they can make the same case when huma abedin and possibly hillary clinton later on. >> again, the clinton m.o. is to slow down every aspect of every

investigation so that the public just gets bored with it. kimberly: yep. >> that's what they're doing here, that's what they'll be doing with huma huma abedin, and that's what they've been doing for 25 years. this is what they do. meghan: huma might take the fall, she's the closest aide. somebody's head's going to roll at some point. sandra: all right. moving on to this. with less than two weeks to go until the california primary, hillary clinton is digging in, afraid she could lose one of the most diverse and democratic states to bernie sanders. right now in the overall primary, clinton is ahead with more than 2200 delegates while sanders has 1490 delegates. but california has a whopping 475 delegates at stake which could allow sanders to narrow the gap. a new poll among democratic and independent california voters shows hillary clinton and bernie sanders locked in a dead heat with clinton's lead shrinking

from the seven-point advantage she had back in march. the clinton campaign reportedly opening eight offices now in california, running phone banks in seven languages and even calling in powerful surrogates like former president bill clinton to barnstorm the state. all right, how much is at risk here, jonah? >> oh, a lot, i think, politically. i mean, part of hillary clinton's problem is the same problem john kerry had. the more he goes to a state and the more heexposed himself to voters, the worse his poll numbers. [laughter] hillary clinton has the exact same problem. in theory, lots of democrats like hillary clinton, and then they hear her, and they don't. gotta remember, historically what's supposed to be happening now is everybody's supposed to be rallying to the presumptive nominee, and the fact that they're not is a huge political problem for her because, among other things, it inspires all of the sort of sanders' lovers to keep fighting for another day. we're going to have a riotous -- sandra: melissa, you watch the numbers, and they are what they are. there's no mathematical path for

bernie sanders. melissa: what's interesting is the clintons are like, i've seen this movie, and i hate it. she has this huge gap, she's leading by a ton, and then he surges all the way into the close. and so much of the time he keeps beating her, i mean, the other problem is in california he has larry david on his side, and everybody loves larry david. [laughter] it's unclear who's campaigning for who out there. is it larry david for sanders or sanders -- kimberly: they're very concerned, even last night i was getting messages because in terms of bootstrapping, one of my ex-husbands, lieutenant governor of california, to introduce her at three different events, more events today to bring in some young, fresh star power of the democratic party. that's a problem because she has an enthusiasm gap with her supporters compared to sanders and compared to trump. sandra: and one of her recent things, she wouldn't agree to debate bernie sanders. on jimmy kimmel last night, there was a challenge.

bernie sanders getting very bold saying he wants to debate donald trump. here's the clip. >> are you prepared to debate the major issues facing our largest state and the country before the california primary, yes or no? he wants to know if you will debate him. >> yes, i am. how much is he going to pay me? >> you would do it for a price? >> if i debated him, we would have such high ratings, and i think i should give -- take that money and give it to some worthy charity. sandra: and bernie sanders tweeted this very simple response following that: game on! i look forward to debating donald trump in california before the june 7th primary. i know that everybody's licking their chops thinking, wow, would this be fantastic, but is that really going to happen? >> i saw somewhere on twitter that trump has now said he was just joking which i think is a shame. what if superman could fight the hulk? [laughter] it would be really cool to watch. and i think it actually would be very good for both of them to do it. meghan: and very bad for hillary

clinton because it makes her insignificant. i think both of them should do it. it's in both of their best interests to do it. bernie sanders is going to take this to the very end. when it comes to millennials and women, we talk about the problems hillary clinton's having all day long. i don't know how you get that kind of support, i don't know how you take bernie sanders' supporters who are angry and virulent and so aggressive, and they feel like she is stealing this election from them. whether that's rational or not -- kimberly: she kind of is in the way the democratic primary process works. sandra: but it's fun to imagine that debate. melissa: who's superman and the hulk? [laughter] i'm trying to figure that out. >> i withdraw the analogy. kimberly: probably superman, he's got the better hair. sandra: good stuff. keep imagining that. kimberly: they should do it. meghan: 100% should do it. sandra: there's a new controversy over a katie couric documentary on guns. critics accusing the program of

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♪ kimberly: i mean, it's horrible, isn't it? those second amendment supporters appearing to be stumped by couric's question. but in an audio recording of the full interrue provided to the washington free beacon, they answer her question right away. check it out. >> if there are no background checks, how do you prevent -- i know how you all are going to answer this, but i'm asking anyway. if there are no background checks for gun purchasers, how do you prevent felons or terrorists from walking into, say, a licensed gun dealer and purchasing a gun? >> well, one, be you're not in jail -- if you're not in jail, you should still have your basic rights and be able to buy a gun. >> so if you're a terrorist or a felon? >> if you're a felon and you've done your time, you should have your rights. kimberly: the documentary's director giving a statement to the washington post that says, quote: there are a wide range of

views in the film, my intention was to provide a pause for the viewer to have a moment to consider this important question before presenting the facts on americans' opinions on background checks. i never intended to make anyone look bad, and i apologize if anyone felt that way. now, couric also tells the post she supports the director's statement, and she's proud of the film. if you can't even believe it, yes, that happened. it's stunning, shocking, isn't it, melissa? melissa: it's stunning. when you listen to the audio and the way they changed everything and even added in the dramatic music. and i love that apology, i would never accept that from a boyfriend or my kids, i'm sorry if you felt that way. kimberly: right. check yourself -- melissa: i hate that. seriously, you were offended by this? i'm sorry. it's so disingenuous. sandra: but before you even heard or saw the response, you saw that she had bias in her questioning. well, i know the way you're going to respond to this, but i'll ask anyway. melissa: with the facts. sandra: yes, clearly.

meghan: i don't know who they're kidding with this, with the response, with the actual questioning. when people talk about the liberal media bias and liberals sort of think that's an exaggeration, this is exactly what they're talking about, and katie couric has been one of the worst offenders of this for years and years and years. if i were deny i am an nra member, but you would never do an interview with someone like this because you know they're going to pick you look -- make you look bad. and this is why no conservative woman should -- sandra: in their defense, they had nothing to hide, and they sat down and did the interview with her. meghan: but if it's doctored, that's a different thing. [inaudible conversations] >> i think one of the unstated things about all this, i think this actually used to be much more common in the mainstream media. "60 minutes" used to do this stuff, michael moore clearly does this stuff. one way to expose it is if you are as a journalist writing about this focus group and you

wrote that the audience was flummoxed and paused with dead silence if they didn't have an answer, that would be an absolute lie. and that is exactly what they're trying to convey with the video, and it's just not true. and i agree with you entirely, it's a totally bogus non-apology. kimberly: yes. it's really terrible and so offensive. it's almost as bad as some of these clinton campaign ads you see. it's unbelievable how it tries to demonize gun owners. they should be outraged. this should be edited, corrected, pulls -- meghan: it shouldn't even air or at least not under the implication this is an actual documentary, because this is like a michael moore movie, if you will. >> i know people who have done interviews with "60 minutes," and one of the things they insist on now is they be allowed to record or even have their own camera crew in the room and that way they can't be negatively edited -- meghan: 100%. >> and that's what that audio does. it proves they were lying. kimberly: katie couric asked a key question during an interview

of some members of our organization to. she then intentionally removed their answers and spliced in nine seconds of some prior video of our members sitting quietly and not responding. viewers are left with the misunderstanding that they had no answer, and this is a complete fabrication. it is a falsehood that's been perpetuated. i agree with you, it should not air because this is completely false. and i don't know -- you know who's going to have, like, the super bowl of liberal bias this weekend? this is the best thing ever to happen to howie kurtz. [laughter] oh, it's going to be bad for you, katie couric, this weekend. sandra: she should be further pressed on this. i wonder if she actually will be, but if people actually stay on this story. melissa: he makes a comparison with michael moore, and that's something you know what his bias is out of the gates. when you go to see somebody, you're already questioning in his mind you know where he's coming from. but katie couric carries the

mantle of traditional journalism, and i'm surprised to hear what you say about "60 minutes." having been a journalist, it's surprising to me people who carry the big j of journalism around would be this ingenuous and do this kind of doctoring because i didn't feel like this is the normal thing. meghan: it's so the normal thing. if you send any conservative to do an interview with with any liberal outlet, you turn cameras on. people doctor things, they want to make us look bad, and she is one of the worst offenders. i'm not surprised at all. kimberly: and who brings this up at every one of his rallies, how bad the media is, they lie, they're not honest, and supporters respond to that. people don't like to be made a fool of and to try to be duped like this. it is no bueno to. [laughter] all right. so much for -- [laughter] college being a place to learn. students at a high priced college say getting grades below a c is unfair, and so are midterm exams, and they're not going to take it anymore.

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sandra: more "outnumbered" in just a moment, but first let's get to jon scott with the second hour of "happening now". jon: hey, sandra. donald trump has clinched now the republican nomination for president, according to the associated press. it says the number of delegates mr. trump has collected is more than enough to win the nomination on the first ballot this summer. we are awaiting a news conference from donald trump expected next hour ahead of a big campaign event in bismarck, north dakota. we will have that for you life. hillary clinton's campaign taking a big hit with the release of that state department inspector general report saying she violated e-mail rules. clinton is set to speak in the 1:00 eastern hour. we will be monitoring in case she responds to that report.

we are also keeping a close eye on several storms that have been impacting the plains all week. a major tornado hit near the town of chapman, kansas, damaging or destroying 25 buildings. more severe weather could be in store today. we'll have it for you covered on "happening now." sandra: all right. we'll be watching. thanks, jon. jon: thanks, sandra. melissa: students at oberlin college in ohio apparently don't have time for class work and want to focus on their activism. more than 1300 students reportedly signing a petition demanding the college eliminate midterms and any grade below a c for the semester. they say the college modified grading standards for protesters during the vietnam war and should do so now. hmm. students also calling for alternatives to written exams like having a conversation with the professor. [laughter] one student telling new york magazine, quote: because i'm

dealing with having been arrested on campus or having to deal with the things that my family are going through because of larger systems, having to deal with all of that, i can't produce the work that they want me to do! but i understand the material, and i can give it to you in, well, different ways. other students say the school culture is toxic, unfair and even dehumanizing. wah! i mean -- meghan: college is, like, the worst place, right? what happens? kimberly: they don't want to get out of bed, they don't want class, they don't want to be graded, they've upset about climate change, i mean, what's next? this is so -- >> i think they should be given college degrees in utero. [laughter] being arrested would really screw with your studies, right, meghan? meghan: i want to a very liberal college, i feel like i read stories like this every day. we're talking about the coddled baby culture at college. for as many stories as there are

about this, there's just as many people signing up, joining the military, going and serving, doing amazing things. millennials as a generation, this is a small group. this is where lena dunham went to college, just to put it into context. this is not indicative or -- kimberly: making me feel like we need to bring back the draft. [laughter] by the way, bernie sanders wants us to pay for this nonsense. we're going to pay to have peope cry like babies. melissa: sandra, it's $51,000. this is a private school. sandra: so i truly believe that is what behind this. i don't know that i necessarily blame the kids, in fact, i'm really worried about how they're going to handle the real world when they come out of this, but their parents in many cases are bucking up these tens of thousands of dollars, and in this case $51,000 to go to this school, and parents are saying what do you mean they gave you a d, a c? they can't do that. we're paying way too much money for you to go to this school. it is the profitability of these

colleges that are driving these changes, and the kids are a victim of it. >> i agree with that, but i also think the blame is even deeper on parents because kids from a very young age -- especially the ones who go to elite schools like this -- all of their lives they have these helicopter parents who arrange their entire lives, these kids never have to work out things with their peers without calling in a teacher or a coach. and when you get to college and you've never had to deal with personal conflict in your life, you expect that to continue, and you ask for contracts about how to, like, go on a date and all this crazy stuff. melissa: see, i look at the end cost of all of this, because you know so many of them are getting loans. we have a huge student debt problem in this country. they're coming out, they obviously can't operate in the real world, so how are they ever going to pay that back? i mean, they're going to default on those loans, and, i mean, it's like the subprime and every other kind of loan and debt problem we have in this country. this is what's coming down the road. one comment i liked is there is this persistent low-grade dehumanization from everyone.

this was one of students complaining. it's dehumanizing to be graded. who would want to be graded? kimberly: i like grades. [laughter] melissa: yeah. >> very low self-esteem people say things like that. meghan: they're claiming that protesting is cutting into their time on campus. i mean, the problem is, too, like in the real world if you're protesting something, you still have to show up for work and pay your bills on time. i agree with you there's this coddled culture. once again, there's so many great millennials in this country doing so many great things, so many veterans. my brothers are all millennials and, like, they've served and been deployed. there's a lot of great ones too. >> that's one of the reasons i like community colleges a lot. sandra: great point. >> they tend not to take classes on lesbian antebellum poetry, you know? [laughter] sandra: is that a class? >> instead they learn trades which is an important thing. melissa: let us not forget this is the same college that back in december students were demanding

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