♪ ♪ >> hello on this memorial day. this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner the here today, sandra smith, co-host of "after the bell," on fox business, melissa francis. democratic strategist julie roginsky, and today's #oneluckyguy, the host of war -- war stories, lieutenant colonel off develop north you are outnumbered. i say that. >> this is great. >> it is memorial day. i'm competing against myself right now. fox business network we have what they call it a marathon,

actually ought to be called a siege. >> i love that. >> right after this, flip back over to fox business network and catch the rest of "war stories". harris: you are everywhere. we're glad you're here. we're beginning with presidential politics. donald trump hoping to turn pup pell states red. the presumptive gop nominee rushing operatives to several states traditionally favor democrats pointing to general election campaign he has run thus far, defying conventional wisdom and political trends. the staffing includes, maine, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, states which no republican candidate has won before 1980s, some even before that. trump seeks to expand the electoral battlefield drawing appeal among working class white voters. likely hillary clinton's

perceived weaknesses among them. as donald trump put in recent interview, quote, i will win states that no republican would even run in, end quote. can he do it? >> well if the reaction i saw down in louisville, as i was at the nra annual meeting, because i'm the chairman of the their military and veterans affairs committee, if that is reaction is typical what he will get in the general election he will be a tough customer to beat. i see in his presentation the kind of thing that has not appealed to folks, i think since the reagan era. i was on, in 1984 when president reagan was going up for re-election, i was staff duty officer for a lot of that trip and it was a long summer. and you could see a lot of that, if you will, blue-collar, i hate the words middle class, middle income. you see a lot of those middle income americans who had been democrats, and they called them reagan democrats. harris: sure. >> i could see this kind of thing happening again. harris: interesting.

julie, i'm wondering if the tone and tenor in the democrat party are changing a bit perhaps looking differently at donald trump? early on you could hear laughter in a room full of democrats. are they still laughing? >> no. he is presumptive republican nominee. why would you laugh. you wouldn't laugh at any nominee. harris: are they taking him in particularly more seriously? >> i think they're taking seriously, it is traditionally difficult for the third term for the same party. this is one of those situations but i will say, colonel to your analogy, the difference between 1984 and today, is that this electorate is much more diverse, much more diverse and a lot less white and when you talk about the fact that obviously 1984, those reagan democrats, two things happened to the reagan democrats, one they have been voting republican for reagan years for the most part if they are still alive. >> true. >> those reagan democrats aged out unfortunately a lot of

times. look at math and dim graphics it would be very hard to replicate what reagan could do in 1980 and 1984, not just trump doesn't have talent but demographics shifted. >> can i speak directly to that point. you bring up issue of race, in some of the states harris highlighted at beginning electorate 78% white. that is why he is saying flip states traditionally democrat. wisconsin, 86%. this is middle income group of people that are furious about the economy, where it left them, income inequality. go ahead, harris. harris: it is something else. donald trump does so much better with hillary clinton than men, but particularly does well among, does poorly among a particular group of women, that is white women. when you talk about the racial demographic, women are a problem for her because predominantly in that state. sandra: you wanted to respond to that. >> look it, one of the things i

sometimes tend to forget, all those reagan democrats have voting age kids, a lot of them are out of work. >> true. >> i watched what was happening over in west virginia. i see again, the kind of appeal that ronald reagan had to those hard-working people we call blue-collar voters, i see this kind of thing, enormous appeal. particularly the nra is single issue organization, focused on the second amendment. he spoke to that crowd in terms that they could understand and it was, there was 70 some out thousand people there. >> colonel did you ever expect nra to vote for hillary clinton. >> not at all. >> that is the difference. >> that is i think a more representative sample than some of the polls that we've seen out there. we'll see. sandra: julie, challenge you on this point, to more trump campaign team members to particularly left-leaning states, isn't going to make it happen, there has got to be a change in strategy or increased strategy on the part of the trump campaign, how about wooing

women? i wonder what the inner-workings there are? >> if i were going to advise the trump many campaign, they probably wouldn't believe me i am sincere but i am sincere he needs to do is expand the tent. what he did last week went to new mexico really excoriated republican latina governor of new mexico, susana martinez. that is not expanding the tent. you're still fighting last year. you know this, colonel. you won the republican primary. don't go shooting inside the tent. he needs to do that before pennsylvania and wisconsin. has to consolidate the republican vote. my advice, would be stop trashing susana martinez. stop trashing people you will need to work on your behalf. harris: okay, so pick up on the susana martinez for a second with you, melissa, we know she was not in his camp. >> yeah. harris: there were calls within the party to at least show up to the rally that was scheduled to at least, maybe not endorse him. so there is some, there is some

bad blood there for lack of a better term right there. >> right. harris: i don't know if it's a demographic thing. i understand what you're saying could be residual effect of that, but i'm curious to know what is the divide between donald trump and susana martinez. maybe we'll know in coming days. i want to get back what you were saying specifically about putting states in play with donald trump because we've seen hillary clinton across the political aisle fight bernie sanders in some places she thought were not in play in her own party. >> i think what is interesting, there are always two ways to look at political races and bringing it broader and making other people in and really firing up people who support you and getting numbers out in that way. that seems to be what he is doing. he is bringing over some democrats within that demographic that we're talking about, but he is also gaining people who support him really fired up. about going out and voting for him. i totally disagree with you, the numbers of, whether it is him firing up white men versus hillary clinton trying to bring women out.

the gender gap between the two of them, if you hash out the actual numbers he is four million votes ahead just based on the gender gap. i think when you look at his numbers he is winning. >> well, i continue this the problem there are more women voting than men. sandra: put it this way we'll have a lot more. that is why you're outnumbered sir. harris: he seems happy though. sandra: meantime president obama reportedly gearing up to help hillary clinton make a case against donald trump. mr. obama has said that he will campaign as a unifier this summer and fall. he is also said trump won't succeed him as president. and now a piece in "real clear politics" points out a big part of the president's message is going to be try to disqualify trump as unfit for the job by warning voters that electing him would mean risks to america's economy, national security, and communities. all right, let's talk about that, nobody knows national

security than you, colonel oliver north. what do you make of this stuff? >> look, let's focus on the national security component. there is no doubt that the u.s. military is not in the kind of shape it needs to be in. military exists on this memorial day, the only purposes for which the military exists are to deter war and if you have fight one to win it. our military is smaller than anytime since before world war ii. if you look at the number of ships in the navy, if you look at number of troops in the army, only service that didn't loosened strength last year was marine corps. our air force is tiny. we invested in a lot of wrong things. this last seven 1/2 years has been a disaster. we're now taking the finest military force that ever existed and we're sending them home because the budget has been cut so much you can't pay a marine gunnery sergeant enough to keep him in the service. a lot cheaper to hire a new private. you can't simply automatically get the combat experience that this military has because it is enormous component in victory,

and deterring war. i can assure you vladmir putin when he put his russian special operations into syria was wondering where is the american carrier that used to be in the med? i'll tell you where it is? tied up in norfolk and great big hole in the deck because they took reactor out of it. this administration allowed us to become quite frankly a third class military. harris: can i ask a you particular question, this particular president fought whatever wars come on the horizon and whatever battles come on the horizon use of our special operations forces? here people call it the tip of the spear, whatever it is, they are, precision point type fighters. >> yes. harris: so how does that go along with the draw down that you're talking about? >> harris the way you define what your military is going to be to define the threat which this administration failed to do ever since they came into town. harris: they let us know they're comfortable not defining the threat. >> clearly. number two, build a military

capable of contending with the that threat. what is the biggest threat we face? here in new york city which suffered 3,000 dead on 9/11/01, and there is no, no protection from nuclear attack on this city. that is the highest level of threat we face. sandra: colonel, we're looking at president who after everything you just said, who says he will make the case for hillary clinton and make it look like donald trump is the dangerous one, not just on national security but, melissa, also on the economy, he will try to paint trump as dangerous. >> you know all i can think when i enter into discussions like this one, think back to january when he did this interview with "politico" and come out and support hillary clinton then. he had such a hard time doing it, because i think he just doesn't like her. at time he was supposed to swing for her over bernie sanders, he ended up wandering into the conversation that bernie sanders has great authenticity and passion and fearlessness and hillary clinton's weaknesses and her strengths can actually be her weaknesses. he was supposedly giving

interview he was supporting her and it was disaster. when he hits the campaign trail for himself he does great. when he does it for a clinton, he can't help himself. it doesn't work out. sandra: it will be a big task ahead if he tries to do it, right? >> yeah. sandra: even though billions of dollars were spent to turn the va around, a new report shows wait times for va hospitals are actually getting worse, not better. why that is and how to fix it. new survey finds college graduates think they're ready for the workforce, but employers don't agree. ♪ having acne... ...was always on my mind. so i asked a dermatologist about new aczone dapsone gel 7.5%. i apply it once a day, any time. aczone gel 7.5% is fda approved for the topical treatment of acne for people 12 years and older. aczone gel is a once-a-day acne treatment

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retires or gets fired, which is not enough of that, hire vets first. veterans will take care of each other. veterans care one another. harris: excellent point. >> i got hurt in kurdistan. i came back and government of the united states issued me a new knee. spent one night in the hospital. spent half a day getting preop and out of the hospital the next day with perfectly new, wonderful, government issued knee. i can't get that looked after because it is experimental. i know dozens of guys with prosthetic limbs which the scientist is tremendous today, yet they can't get it fixed in the va system because they don't have it. >> wow. >> the real problem in the va there is not enough veterans. all mcdonald, you can't say, eeo people will eat you alive. can't only say veterans need apply. what they say veterans get preference in this administration, in the va. they will take care of the problem. will take time.

you have to get a lot of dead wood. there are good va facilities. richmond, virginia, the one i go to in the western virginia, they're good, vast majority of places are not good. the horror stories are all true. sandra: we hear the horror stories, why isn't anybody held accountable for this? >> bingo. i think mcdonald has drunk the kool-aid from the administration. i was in phoenix a few weeks ago. phoenix is disaster. out there. john mccain, should go to the facility and say what have you done the senter? ought not to walk down the hallway after va medical facility and smell feces and urine. >> i never served a day in my life. you certainly have. there is nothing to me more important than serving the people that served us for all these years. the fact this continues to happen, i will take my partisan hat off, no excuse for this

whatsoever. people should be fired. you're absolutely right. nobody is being held accountable, not enough are. veterans who served from world war ii going onwards absolutely not getting care. it is disgrace and un-american and stop doing something about that and do something about it and -- >> great segue. >> i plugged your show. >> on "war stories," are veterans who could not see anp appointment to see a physician at va medical center. >> disgraceful. melissa: horrifying. he vowed to build a wall along mexico and deport 11 illegal immigrants. what voters think about donald trump's promises and whether a president trump would carry them out. revealing answers. new calls for isis to ramp up attacks on the west and soon, beginning in just a few days in fact. where the terror groups want to strike and how credible that

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♪ sandra: from the beginning of his campaign donald trump has made a lot of promises and now a new fox poll shows most voters believe he will follow through on them. in fact, 65% think the presumptive gop nominee will nominate a conservative to the supreme court. 58% think he will ban non-u.s. muslims. 54% believe mr. trump will build a wall on the u.s.-mexico border 50% think he will stick to his promise to deport illegal immigrants. julie, go to you first. what do you think of this? people are saying he is drawing stuff to see what sticks? >> reality check. he promised to balance budget. promised to cut taxes

drastically and promises to build a wall and deport illegal aliens. all that is i use term mathematically. you can't balance budget and take up billions of dollars in new spending and say you bring in tax revenue to balance the budget. it is mathematically impossible. i love that people believe him. they need to look at numbers. add it up. it can not be. he has never said how he will do this, how he will offset revenue to get this done. >> go to some of those things that voters in this poll actually said they do believe he will get done, like build a wall, like deport illegal immigrants. melissa: can he afford it or will he do it? talks about building a wall and mexico will pay for it, all you have to do is hold back some of the aid for mexico. that is how you pay for it. that is how you would do it. more startling to me, people who don't believe him. deporting illegal immigrants at 44% registered voters don't

believe he would do that when push came to shove. i think when you drill down a lot of things he said, especially talking about the tariff war with china, when you listen to foreign policy speeches he is not really talking about a tariff war, that would be economically smart, he is saying using economic is the way to put the screws to china when you need them to bring north korea in to heal. there is more nuance to a lot of things people say if you think or look at it quickly. >> he said who cares if there is tariff war. that was direct quote. obviously he doesn't care. if he has a tariff war -- sandra: i wonder if i could arrange polling do you believe he will get the things done or do you want to believe he get -- harris: takes a poll among the 16 people who went against him in his own party. remember all things he said he would get done against them, he did, i wonder how they would poll whether or not he will do what he says he will do? the donald trump, part of what made him popular among his core

supporters he likes to defy all odds without a lot of detail. when it happens all you can say is happened. all we saw the teleprompter-aided foreign policy speech, we weren't sure in the media he had advisors. we heard him say he did and still only have a brief list. sandra: colonel, get in here on that one. >> i'm trying very hard not to be partisan on this, my beat is soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines. sandra: he says he will fix the va, colonel. >> there will have to be va or there will be mutinies. the way they treated veterans all the way to world war ii is appalling unconscionable. make one observation, harris on border issue. one of our specials was on border war. we interviewed a lot of people. it is not just people on the border. people in wisconsin who came across that border illegally or brought drugs or traffic in human, or trafficked in weapons. that has got to stop.

the american people know that at the end of the day, at the end. day, when he makes one of these broad brush statement, reality is, most americans know there is enormous problem on our border. part of securing america isn't just protecting american people from nuclear weapons being fired by north korea or iranians or russians or chinese. harris: the list is long. >> it is also protecting our borders. if you don't have border you can't have a country. >> how will he do it? he can't answer. >> the wall can help. >> we disagree. >> i've seen it, where it is up it works. harris: nearly a year after president obama said the islamic state savages were contained the error group is issuing a new call for more lone wolf attacks in the united states and europe. 31 minute audio video just come out. isis spokesperson urging followers to take time during the upcoming muslim holiday

month of ramadan, which starts june 5th, quote, harass the crusaders day and night and terrify them until each neighbor becomes afraid of the other. u.s.-led airstrikes against isis are doomed to failure but the terror group may be trying to boost morale after recent setbacks like losing territory in syria and iraq. we saw with fualaau -- fallujah our military forces joined with iraq getting browned back from the ground and air. we're trying to take back that city where we lost so much blood and treasure. to broaden this out a little bit, tell me what you think, colonel oliver of this particular enemy compared to others that we face? why you think we can't just lay them out. >> go back to the earlier discussion what we need military for. the most important thing we can do is protect american people from nuclear attack. that is number one existential threat we face. north koreans and iranians will have nuclear weapons in number

after years and delivery nuclear weapons. number two, the second threat is china and russian expansionism. the third level, isis radical islamic terror, no matter what you call it they're all franchises from hell. the reality they can not have a safe haven. they have one. harris: they have got one. >> not just one in libya but one in yemen. we allowed them to expand the caliphate to urge people from all over the globe. there are indonesia, when i was in kurdistan, they captured an indonesiaian fighting there for two years as part of isis. what it is going to take is recognizing that iraq and syria are both failed states. there will have to be partition, so sunni stan, shia-stan and

kurdistan so there will be a -- harris: that is what happens in vacuum situations. news from last week told us something else, that is the worst of the worth, that's what we're being told, are about to be transferred to countries that won't be able to keep up with them, let alone keep them incarcerated out of guantanamo bay. does that exacerbate this problem. >> sure it does. look it what it shows is, if you wait long enough the americans will set you free and then you go back to the battlefield and plotting terror attacks. look it, this is blissful nirvana from this administration not a existential threat but i will have airplanes blown up. terror attacks in san bernardino and brussels. harris: you agree with the president sit e it is not existential threat. >> first person to say that wasn't obama, it was joe dunford the new chairman of joint chiefs of staff. he went down the three tiers, here is the most important thing we can do and we're not doing it. we're not doing the second.

what have we done to back off putin and chinese on expansion? nothing. sandra: colonel, when we see the urge for loin wolf attacks and we're sitting memorial day, the american people, they see that and hear that, they think wow, it is really scary time right now. as far as the strategy, you're critical of that, obviously you said with the current administration. what can the new president do immediately in office to get this going? >> if i were king i would go to jordan and egypt, get a sunni force to become peacekeepers in the three countries i described as kurd cities dan, shiastan and sunnistan. that the the saudi diswill help pay for it. we don't have to put 50,000 american troops on the ground. somebody said that is the strategy. that would be crazy. special operators out there right now, needs to be a few

more, you mentioned fallujah, i spent april of and november of 2004 there over 104 americans were killed in that fight, fallujah is many of. smaller. isis is trying to kill people leaving right now. right now it is dark out there. what this administration has got to do maersk it very clear there is no safe haven for any kind of radical islamic organization anywhere in the world. harris: it is interesting, jordan and egypt, jordan's leadership after they set the pilot on fire they would come on board. sounds like we have to get it together and lead. gosh, that sounds like a broken record, doesn't it? >> yeah. harris: something you won't hear during the inspirational college graduation speeches, new survey says many graduates are not prepared to get a job and they do not have the skills needed to get in the workforce. who is to blame for that? ♪

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♪ melissa: after college students ring up all of that debt and finally get their degrees, was it all worth it? a new survey finds that 90% of the graduates consider themselves well-prepared for the workforce but employers don't seem to agree. more than half of all company managers, 60%, that is, say new graduates lack critical thinking skills. 56% say they lack attention to detail. 44% find fault with their writing. 39% are critical of their public speaking abilities. this echoes another study last year which found declining literacy and math skills among young workers. harris faulkner, we're all sighing out here. we all have kids.

you want them to get out in the workforce. harris: seeing it already in elementary school. both my girls are first and third grade a couple things gone away not in their particular school, cursive writing which they show, creativity that he can nights in the brain, certain sectors of the brain. like music. it is important skill to have. not to mention the fact if you can sign my name and i sign my name how do you know the difference? you have to sign your name. that is one of the indications. when you give everybody a trophy as we're starting to do in our society as they get younger you take away that something, that it factor inside of you says i will be better than my neighbor and i will feel okay about that and i shake my hand and food winner as much as good loser. we're teaching them how to be good at tying. sandra: 39% critical of public speaking ability. you have to worry fact every generation now is conveying their message with emojis on

their cell phone, right, colonel? >> that ace problem right there. sandra: they don't know how to express themselves. i say lol, all this kind of stuff, but we're not learning how to write or learning how to speak. here is where the money is. did you see this? if you can learn programing languages, earn 20% more than those that don't have a skill set like that. those with knowledges relative to mergers and acquisition is big one. they can expect 17% premium to their peers. if you go to college make it worth your money. >> when i was in graduate school i had to grade undergraduate papers. i don't care how smart they were but i would shave a couple points because irritates pethey can't craft a sentence or write. this is 20 years ago. i'm still old, colonel. well before the blackberry, before the lol. melissa: you're right. that is a problem. people are learning to communicate in texts. >> 145 characters. melissa: there you go.

>> it is crazy. >> i feel like this is older than that people can't write. >> my mom was a public school teacher for 40 years in parochial schools. i have 17 grandkids, 14 are being educated, all 14 are being homeschooled. they will get to a point because science, technology and engineering and math, stem are so critical to getting a great job and getting well-paid for it, that is -- melissa: everyone is so fired up about this. sandra: can i highlight another trend happening because i'm on the business network? i talk to these people and what we're hearing now as well, maybe parents at home have experience with this, companies are extending job offers to people, law firms, for example, and when they're extending offers, they're hearing back from the kids parents, rather than the college graduate themselves. i mean there are companies who say this is happening in larger and larger numbers. is it helicopter parenting, melissa.

melissa: i think it is both. it could be helicopter parenting but parents letting kids take courses that are ridiculous getting away from basics. we're talking about on the couch getting rid of the common core -- harris: western civilization is not being taught on some college campuses now. >> courses we all used to take getting rid of those. harris: i don't know if you're seeing with your boys, melissa, who are in grade school, this idea, competition can be healthy and eye contact. when you have technology circumventing eye contact and communication skills on one hand and give every kid a trophy teaching them to tie is better than win or lose, that is toxic combination going forward. you have taken away important tools for that child to be able to not only succeed and but just thrive in society. melissa: absolutely. once again up to parents to come back in to make sure their kids get skills to succeed in life or support them forever. those are your choices. doing with less, that is the

task for the u.s. army today as it shrinks to the smallest numbers in more than 70 years. the concerns as america seems to face more threats than ever. colonel north with his take. plus, we honor those who paid the ultimate tries today, a startling new report how hard it is for military spouses to find jobs and make ends meet. how can this be allowed to happen? ♪ you don't let anything keep you sidelined.

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♪ sandra: the u.s. army has shrunk to the smallest level since world war ii. the latest headcount shows 2600 soldiers left active service in march without being replacedded that put the end strength for march at just under 480,000 soldiers. that is slightly below the number on active duty when the army halted the post-cold war drawdown in 1999. it is smallest force since 1940 when the number was under 300,000. if congress or the defense department doesn't intervine the drawdown will continue for two more years. that means end strength will hit 460,000 solders in 2017 and

450,000 28. to compare the chinese liberation army consists of 2.5 million personnel. your reaction to those numbers. >> not good. only purpose for which military exists and to deter war and win one if you fight one. i grew up in the army. you and i both have experience growing up in the experience. harris: yes, sir. >> bottom line of it is, if you don't have the capability to stop something like putin from thinking about it, i can assure you putin took into his equation when he decided to go into crimea and before that when he went into georgia, and now put troops on the ground in syria. his intention was to look around and say, what is the risk of doing this? no american carriers in the med under this administration. harris: wow. >> the ability to strike back and deter him from doing something doesn't exist anymore. we have more admirals in the navy than we have ships in the navy.

think about this. world war ii, by the way, world war ii will be a big part of the marathon if you will on this weekend on fox business network. on right now. don't leave yet. sandra: good, colonel. >> in world war ii we had 7,000 ships in the united states may have very and 200 admirals. okay? now we have 248 ships and 260 admirals. at least get parity, every admiral its ownership. dealing with adversary, you build the force up to whatever the threat is. we haven't done it. what we're doing cutting further with the sequester. quite frankly the congress is not doing its job. the congress has the purse strings. everybody love of the the sequester because it would cost fat out of the military. it is not in the fat, it is cutting bone. sandra: looks to me julie has contradicting take. >> i don't have a contrary take.

i heard the sequester was terrible. you have a carrier in the med. assume we had triple the amount everything you wanted. isn't it more about strategy? what would which have done with the carrier in the med? are we prepared to start world war iii with putin even if we had the capability to do it today? >> the bottom line of deterrence is, wouldn't have started. >> why do you think that? don't you think he knows we wouldn't have done anything about it? >> this ad american station, he looked at it and they wouldn't do any way. >> what would you have done? fired on russians. >> i worked for the guy who called it the evil empire. >> i agree. >> he said if you do something bad i'm going to punish you for it. he didn't have to. we didn't fire a shot against russia in the cold war. we went after him grenada. >> you wouldn't go have putin. >> i wish donald trump would listen to you. >> i think he might. >> how much damage has the

administration done because of force stature and world look -- is it overblown by politics. >> if you're american ally in tokyo where the president was couple days ago, if you're american ally in manila, in seoul, in jerusalem, you're terrified because this administration, which constantly told people we have your back can no longer be believed. what is worse, they believe that since 1945. at the end of the world war ii, the america said i've got your back against the russian bear, against whatever else threatens you. it is now a slogan for a mattress company instead of what it ought to be. harris: you know what i hear you saying? there is less predictability in the minds of our allies than among our enemies. >> absolutely. harris: wow. meanwhile, new concerns for the loved ones of some of our nation's heroes. a recent study has found military spouses often struggle to find jobs and are more likely to work for less pay or jobs below their education level. that can spur unemployment and

underemployment that costs our economy up to one billion dollars a year. in fact, the jobless rate among military spouses is 18%, way above the national unemployment rate of 5%. melissa, i know you dug deeply into these numbers. what stuck out? melissa: just in terms of salaries, if you're lucky enough to find a job, in terms of earnings level of people who had a bachelor degree, spouses inside of the military were earning 40% less than people with a comparable degree married to somebody who wasn't inside of the military and the reasons are obvious. you move a lot. a lot of times you're basically a single parent. so very hard to have a predictable schedule. with the earning same thing as women over time who go on maternity leave and go back and you lost pace going up the ladder. that is what we see. obviously what the problem is. how to solve it can be a challenge but there has to be a way? harris: as children of parents who served sandra and i both

know from experience that the entire family serves. sandra: yes. harris: particularly the spouse of that person who is away in the field. they can come home, colonel in a way which they're not whole anymore physically or otherwise and so having a working partner is important. >> look it, i have a military spouse, right? 48 years. i had wonderful opportunity to go out there with young marines and lead them in harms way and have adrenaline and commitment and comradery when she is waiting at home with four kids hoping to god the chaplain doesn't walk up the walk to tell her i'm gone. that happens time and time again with military spouses. you made a great point about the moves. we picked up and moves nine times. betsy was making more when i married her as second lieutenant than i did as lieutenant colonel. sandra: change in cost of living when you move like that, you

might getting paid the same but cost as whole lot different living in new york or -- >> or if your base is braced you can't sell your house. harris: i was going to say. just because military puts you in housing for period of time, if you decided you want to purchase off post and you can't sell, you're underwater for party. a lot can happen. a lot of people in civilian life don't think of, bottom line our economy needs more jobs. then everybody gets better. >> you got it. harris: so real quickly before we moved on, julie, we didn't hear from you on this and i want to because you're a mom. >> i am. harris: you meet other moms out there. i know you meet military spouse. >> i do, personal story i date ad jag officer. part of the reason we ended up not getting married i was not prepared to sacrifice my career moving around with him which may sound selfish, but we don't give

enough credit for woman or in some cases men who sacrifice their entire life. not just waiting for the chaplain knocking on your door, the worst part, constant fear, spouses who literally sacrificed their entire career and career path for decades to support their husbands most part or sometimes their wives. harris: god bless you and your spouse. >> thank you. harris: thank colonel north for being here. watch more of him. now you can. turn over to fox business where you can catch a memorial day marathon of war stories with the fine colonel. >> thank you. harris: have wonderful rest for your holiday, for those still serving around the world we appreciate your service. unique s immune health in two ways. with probiotics that work in your gut. and antioxidants that work throughout your body. trubiotics from one a day. this clean was like - pow. everything well?

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