he graduated summa cum laude from ucla then went to harvard and graduated cum laude from harvard law school. summa cum laude, cum laude. the radio laude. name that movie. tonight -- >> on behalf of the vets the press should be ashamed of themselves. >> donald trump fires back against liberal media attacks. >> they're call me and they're furious. plus national polls show trump in a dead heat with hillary clinton. his presumptive republican nominee is here tonight with reaction. then bill kristol tries to launch a third-party candidate to stop donald trump. >> bill kristol is a -- >> would an independent candidate help secure the election for hillary clinton? laura ingraham, herman cain, they'll weigh in. and the debate rages on. did zookeepers do the right thing by killing the gorilla at the cincinnati zoo? "hannity" starts right here,

right now. welcome to "hannity," and tonight, donald trump is fighting back against liberal media attacks about how much money that he has raised and donated to veterans charity groups. now trump held a press conference earlier today at trump tower. let's take a look. >> i raised close to $6 million. it will probably be over that amount when it's all said and done. but as of this moment, it's $5.6 million. and on behalf of the vets, the press should be shamed of themselves. they are calling me and they are furious because i sent people checks of a lot of money, and we're going to give you the names right now which is what you want. instead of being like, thank you very much, mr. trump, or trump did a good job, everyone's saying who got it, who got it, who got it? and you make me look very bad. find out how much hillary clinton's given to the veterans. nothing. and then i see a few guys standing out there, they don't even know what they're there for. they have no idea. they're there because hillary clinton's campaign sent them. >> now as you can imagine, the liberal press, they weren't too

happy about being called out by donald trump. watch this. >> is this what it's going to be like covering you if you're president? >> yeah, it is. >> we're going to have this kind of conversation in the pressroom? >> yeah, it is going to be like this, david. if the press writes full stories like they did with this, because, you know, half of you amazed i raised all this money. if the press writes false stories like they did where i wanted to keep a low profile. i didn't want the credit for raising all this money for the vets. i wasn't looking for the credit. by the way, more money is coming in. i wasn't looking for the credit. but i had no choice but to do this because the press was saying i didn't raise any money for them. >> here now with reaction, the 2016 republican presumptive nominee, donald trump. it's not really presumptive. you hit 1,237. you will be the nominee. i want to go into this, though. this is not just this story. you said the press should be ashamed of themselves and, yes, if they act like this, it's going to be this way. explain what you mean. >> well, they cover me so inaccurately. this was a good example because

i raised $5.6 million for the vets. it was a horrible experience with the press. i mean, they were questioning it. did he really raise the money? where is the money? by the way, of the $5.6 million, i took zero in terms of administrative cost. some of the people raise $1 million and take $950,000 for administration. i took zero, not one penny. i raised $5.6 million. more money is even coming in. and instead of being treated at least reasonably, it's a whole big deal going on. they're saying who's getting the money, where's the money going? so today i had a press conference. i gave all the groups -- they're great groups. they were so nice and wrote me letters and called. they couldn't believe they got it. i raised $5.6 million and i had bad publicity. can you believe it? i raidsed $5.6 million for the vets. it's all given out now. instead of sort of being thanked, i don't have to be thanked, instead of being thanked or treated nicely by the

press, i got the worst publicity. >> what do they thinks you need the money, do they think you're going to steal it? you were going through a process of vetting these groups which, by the way, is the responsible thing to do, right? >> you have to because you don't know who the groups are. number one, you have to vet. most of the money was given out, a lot of it was given out very early almost immediately because the groups have been vetted or i knew the groups or something. i gave to many, many different groups and it's a lot, $25,000, $100,000, $200,000. one group i gave $1.1 million to. they're great people and great groups but you have to vet them. you have to check them out to see, you know, do they exist, do they have all of the information they need. and it takes a little time. and the publici lpublicity i go in my position would say, why should i do this anymore? if we're going to raise money, many millions of dollars for a good group, i mean, great groups, and then we're

criticized. it's easier not do it. if i wouldn't have done it, i was under no obligation to do it. that was during a speech, i said let's raise some money for the vets. if i didn't say that, nobody would have complained. instead i got nothing but bad publicity. i felt the best way to handle it was hold a news conference show everybody where the money went and i did that and all of these groups were amazing and all got the money and everybody now -- >> this is not an isolated incident. i mean, you went through "the new york times" front page story printed almost 20 pages about all these women you had supposedly mistreated. it turns out in every case, it was debunked by the women, themselves, and even the one woman that stood by your side -- >> they went public. sean, they went public. >> they went public on their own. carrie prejean, i called her. she came out on her own. that was one example. but look at, for example, did you see the katie couric piece on the gun issue? where they selectively edit in a pause that didn't exist in the interview. we really -- i said in 2008,

journalism's dead. you're confronting this bias, institutional bias, and they don't seem to like it. you think this is the whole campaign? >> well, the katie couric piece is not that unusual. i'll be honest, i've given interviews and i said, wait a minute, they're not covering me that way. the best thing you can do is put down a tape recorder next to you because they make things up. i mean, the press is really dishonest, okay? i don't mean everybody, but a big portion of them especially the political press. they're the most dishonest people. they're bad people. >> yeah. all right. let me go to where the election is right now. you got a number of polls. you're up, for example, in the abc/"washington post" poll up. by a couple points. couple have you tied. it's going back and forth a little bit. the most interesting poll, though, i saw today was the state of new jersey where it's 38%-34% within the margin of error. could you win new jersey? >> i think so. i mean, i love new jersey. i am new jersey. like a second home. i have property there. i have a lot of employees there.

it's, you know, i love new jersey. and frankly, i think we're going do well. everyone was shocked to see it, i guess it's three or four points behind, and i wasn't shocked to see it. i think when they find out about hillary, how bad she is, how corrupt she is, when they find out what she's been doing and more importantly, maybe, that i'm going to bring jobs back because nj ew jersew jersey nee. manufacturing is being wiped out, businesses in new jersey are being wiped out, sean. i'm going to bring jobs back from mexico, china, all these places. i just heard that the pga tour is taking their tournament out of miami and moving it to mexico as an example. they're taking it -- they used one of my places. they're moving their tournament, the cadillac world golf championship. cadillac's been a great sponsor, but they're moving it to mexico. they're moving it to mexico city which, by the way, i hope they have kidnapping insurance. but they're moving it to mexico city. and i'm saying, you know what's going on here?

it is so sad when you look the at what's going on with our country. >> you talk a lot on the campaign trail, carrier, for example, is another one. they want to take their jobs away, build manufacturing centers in mexico, bring their air conditioners back here and, you know, after they took away all these american jobs. let me ask you this. there was a lot written about, went on for a couple days that you might debate bernie sanders. what happened? >> well, very simple, number one, he's number two. i'm hearing more and more he can't win. number one, i wanted to do it for a lot of money. i would have done it for, in this case, women's health issues. and the networks weren't going to put up the money, and it wouldn't have been worthwhile to do it. and frankly, i'd like to debate him. i would love it, but they were supposed to put up money and they weren't coming through. i'm not going to do it for nothing. why should i? and he's number two. i won the nomination. bernie is number two. why would i debate him? if the money was put up, but they're not going to put up the kind of money i wanted. >> one of the thing that's

emerging, bill crikristol, for example, saying he's going to fit up another candidate, a libertarian ticket that's just been announced all of which seems to be people willingly sabotaging an outsider who got more votes in the history of the republican party in terms of a primary. what is your answer to that? because to me, my answer is it seems like they only want to help hillary clinton get elected. that means hillary will make the supreme court choices. >> yeah. well, bill kristol, he's a sad case. his magazine is failing. it's going to be out of business soon. to be honest with you, i watched the guy on television for years now and he's been saying donald trump won't run and if he runs, he's just going to have fun and he's going to get out. you know all of this stuff. and i'm saying to myself, who is this guy? so he's been losing every -- he won't win new hampshire, he won't win various states and he's been saying this for now -- he looks very bad. he's been wrong for two years. he hasn't had one thing right and he's a big war hawk. he wanted to go into iraq and, you know, start everything and

he was always in favor of the war in iraq and let's go do thus a . you see what that got us. i don't think he's a very smart guy. failing magazine. now i read about he wants to put up in indie, if that happens, you wouldn't have your supreme court justices pick, like i'm going to pick them. >> you wouldn't have a wall built, wouldn't have obamacare repe repealed. >> you wouldn't have a lot of things. i don't think he has -- now he's saying, well, it will come someday, it will come in the future. well, if you read his tweet, his tweet was almost like it was going to be announced this morning then all of a sudden he announced maybe not so fast. who would do it? look, it's a guaranteed loss. you can't even get on in texas now because they missed their deadline. now they're missing other deadlines and all he's doing is i guess trying to get publicity for his failing magazine, i imagine. >> yeah. what is your -- look, i know you've been having these discussions with paul ryan.

what is the status of those? and what is your reaction with the exception of bob dole, former presidential candidates and others saying they're not coming to the convention? that seems to me -- >> bob dole -- >> yeah. >> bob dole endorsed me and it was very nice and that was very nice, he called me last week. so that was great. i don't need their endorsements. i don't think it matters whether or not i get potential presidential endorsements or -- look, the world is a mess. this country is a mess. and i'm not looking for their endorsements. i just want the people's endorsement and i'm getting that because as you said, the biggest group of people ever, i mean, we have so many millions of people, and you're not just talking about by a little bit. i have millions more than -- and you look at dwight d. eisenhower, you look at ronald reagan, millions more than they had. so it's been a great thing, actually, but nobody has to endorse me. what i want is the endorsement of the people. that's the only thing that matters to me, sean.

>> all right. we'll take a break. we'll come back, we'll talk more with donald trump right after this. and also coming up, laura ingraham, herman cain, they'll weigh in on what bill kristol is saying about a third party candidate entering the race. plus it's the story everybody is talking about. a gorilla was killed over the weekend at the cincinnati zoo after a 4-year-old boy fell into the animal's enclosure. did zoocoope keepers make the r decision? we'll show you that and debate it thank you. imagine if the things you bought every day earned you miles to get to the places you really want to go. with the united mileageplus explorer card, you'll get a free checked bag, 2 united club passes... priority boarding... and 30,000 bonus miles. everything you need for an unforgettable vacation. the united mileageplus explorer card. imagine where it will take you.

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now back to "hannity." for all your headlines, log on to foxnews.com. welcome back to "hannity." as we continue now with 2016 presumptive republican nominee, donald trump. now this whole issue with you debating bernie sanders was interesting because hillary is now in a dead heat with bernie in the all-important state of california. she may not win california. for all the talk about chaos and lack of unity in the republican

party, there seems like there's no unity in the democratic party and bernie, she cannot put bernie away. what is your take on that? because you have openly been defending bernie sanders. >> well, i have to say that, frankly, the republicans and it's a big story, have been really coming together over the last two weeks, it's been amazing. you mentioned bob dole. so many others have come on board. congressmen, senators. it's really been a big story. so we're really coming together, and a lot faster than even you would have thought. so that's been good. as far as the hillary situation, it's rigged. she has these superdelegates. it's a total rigged deal. and so bernie can't win. we'll see what they do with him. it's a rigged system. frankly, the republicans had somewhat of a rigged system. if i didn't win in massive landslides, it was no way an outsider could have gotten the nomination. i mean, we won by tremendous percentages and margins. or there's no way -- because it's a rigged system. and the democrats are -- that

thing is so rigged, it is -- >> incredible. >> -- corrupt. >> honestly, you take away those superdelegates, bernie sanders would have had a shot to win a long time ago but creates a perception -- >> not only that, she's lost so much lately. seems every night you turn on television, every time there's a vote, she's losing, losing, losing. so i guess she won a few upfront, but she is losing so badly. looks so bad. let's see what happens in california, but she is not doing well. >> i've asked you in the past about a team of rivals, you know, whether you might announce your secretary of state, your secretary of homeland security, maybe defense secretary. positions like that. and also obviously people are waiting for your decision as it relates to who your vice presidential nominee will be. where are you in the processms rivals, and selecting a v.p.? >> well, i'm in the process, and i have some people that i think are going to be fantastic for certain positions.

and in my own mind, i already have them. i can't tell you who they are yet. it's just too soon. but i want to save a little bit of suspense for the convention. but i have some people that i've already in my own mind arrived and i think they're going to be fantastic. and with the vice president, as you know, probably if you think about it, there are ten and maybe you boil that down to five. but some people that are really, really good. we'll see what happens. >> any surprises? >> could be. could be. if i could surprise you, i could surprise anybody. >> i am not the corrupt press. i am -- i'm actually the conservative here. >> you happen to be right about that. >> yeah, well i'm an opinion show. i don't hold back that i'll be voting for donald trump in november. all right. here's what i think is an important question. >> thank you. >> i have asked you repeatedly over the course of this campaign about specific issues. you're going to build the wall. you're going to repeal

obamacare. you like health care savings accounts. you want to fix the v.a. you want to build up our military. you want to balance the budget. you want to define radical islam as our enemies. you want to get rid of common core. all of those things. i have asked withdr eed you in does it work to put those ideas, those promises, those things you've said to me on paper? trump's promises to america. maybe put it in gold leaf. make it trump style. maybe a little bit of marble like you have in the background. >> yeah. >> is that a good idea? considering the distrust level is so high? >> well, i did it a little bit with the judges. i announced 11 judges that i'd either pick or somebody very close. i'm finally going to add some to the list because some of them really are, you know, it's come to my attention we have some out there that are fantastic. i got them largely from the federalist society. and also from heritage. you know, they're great -- it's been very well received. i mean, it's possible i will do something like that, sean. i do think most people know my views in all fairness, but it's

possible i would do something like this. >> yeah. let me -- i think what's a really important question, every time you go out, you're getting bigger crowds than any other presidential candidate. in one sense, it looks a little bit like barack obama in '08. there's a lot of enthusiasm. then you've got something that i don't think obama had a lot of, you have these protesters. we saw what happened in san diego. you see the mexican flags that show up at some of these rallies. what is your reaction to all of those people and do you think it's organized and we know in the case of vets outside of trump tower was organized, they were organized by the clinton team. what is your reaction to those people protesting you? >> and burning the american flag and as far as the people outside, you know, when i was giving away $5.6 million and announcing everybody that got it, all of these great veterans groups, we had veterans, a very small group, because you can't get too many because the veterans like me and i like them, i love them. we had veterans groups outside of -- a few people, actually -- outside of trump tower.

they were sent there by hillary clinton. they were clinton -- in fact, they were sent there by hillary clinton. what a disgrace. and when they were interviewed by the reporters, they didn't even know why they were there. so it shows you what a phony business politics is. look, the safest place you can be is a trump rally because you see what happens. it's a love fest. there are very, very few people. you know, you see it in the news, but there are very few people that go out and demonstrate and when they to demonstrate, i mean, in all fairness, they're holding up flags of other countries and burning the american flag. i don't think it does them much good. >> you saw the inspector general report as it relates to the hillary clinton e-mail scandal. she's got a lot of other issues that i think make her a weak candidate. to the extent that it's a battle between you and her, in a general election, how hard do you think you have to push in terms of getting that story out if you think the media's corrupt and liberal and they've got an agenda? >> bewell, i think the report ia

disaster. it really shows that she's corrupt if you think of it. it's not just the report. it shows that she's corrupt. i think the report is a disaster. i don't know what's going to happen. you would have thought it would have happened by now. the fbi is doing a big investigation. we'll see. but the report, i think, is a total disaster for her and certainly it's going to be a big part of the campaign. >> yeah. all right, mr. trump. always good to have you. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. and coming up tonight. all right, we talked about it. bill kristol says a third party candidate could soon be jumping into the race. would this just hand the election to hillary and is he just bitter? plus laura ingraham, herman cain will weigh in on that and more. also later tonight -- >> [ bleep ]. >> get the media staging a shot. get the media staging a shot. is telemundo staging a shot? ah, probably. >> revelpundit.com filmmakers allegedly catch a cameraman staging a shot at a trump protest. we'll tell you that tape later.

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bill kristol is a loser. his magazine is failing as you know. it's going to be down -- i don't think it even survives. he's getting free publicity. bill kristol, i've been watching this for two years. trump isn't going to run, they're not going going into a race, he's not going to win new hampshire. every place i went, i was not going to win but i win in a landslide. do you think maybe he doesn't like me? >> that was donald trump earlier today slamming bill kristol for tweeting this over the weekend. "just a heads up over this holiday weekend, there will be an independent candidate, an impressive one with a strong team and a real chance." here with reaction, editor in chief of lifezette.com, fox news contributor, radio talk show host laura ingraham.

and fox news contributor, also a radio talk show host, herman cain. laura, i look at this and i'm thinking, oh, you want hillary to make supreme court appointles. you don't want to repeal obamacare. you don't want to end common core. you don't want to build a wall. why? part of me doesn't want to pay attention to bill kristol. but why? why are they doing this? >> i think they feel, perhaps, more ideologically pure. they believe they're holding the true banner of conservatism. and all i'd say to bill is, if conservatism means unchecked borders, unenforced borders, unending wars that, frankly, we either can't win or don't want to win, and massive support for globalization, then there's just no audience for that, so i don't really know what he's doing, whether he thinks it's -- i have no idea, but for the purposes of 2016, those people are just helping hillary, and if i were trump, i'd focus all my fire on

hillary. i'd ignore, you know, the spitballs incoming from the likes of kristol and focus just on hillary, the clinton foundation, her lack of record, et cetera, et cetera. the never trumpers have been defeated. they don't know it yet apparently. >> herman, do you think with the libertarian ticket that's out there and maybe an independent ticket, does it draw enough votes in a close election that it can alter the outcome? >> i don't think so. the libertarians have always been challenged in a presidential race. i don't think it's going to be any different this year because they have -- they have retreads at the top of the ticket. secondly, i agree with laura totally. bill kristol is in ultimate conservative denial. he really should take a page out of mitch mcconnell's book and recognize that the republican voters have spoken. don't say that they're stupid by ignoring them. and here's the other thing about bill kristol and his whole, you know, parade to try to defeat trump.

if he looks behind him, he might find there is no army. the surprise is going to be if him and a few other conservative voices that are still in denial, talking about it's going to destroy the conservative movement. no, it is not. all you have to do is look at history. it's not going to destroy the conservative nuchmovement. >> let me play for both of you, we saw what happened friday night out in san diego, donald trump. two filmmakers, friends of mine at rebelpundit.com were out there and among other things saw trump supporters getting eggs thrown at them, "f" the police, "f" donald trump when the police got called into this thing and they also saw a moment where it looked like telemundo was staging something. now in light of all the media bias of "the new york times" and katie couric, this is interesting to me. we asked telemundo to comment. they haven't gotten back to us yet. but i want to air this for you and get wrr opinion on it. let's roll it.

[ yelling ] [ bleep ]. >> is that the media staging a shot? is that the media staging a shot? is telemundo staging a shot? ah, probably. i mean, you're staging a shot at a protest. you're staging news. >> what do you want me to do, man? >> you're staging news. >> i'm not part of the -- >> you're what? >> i'm not part of the -- >> why are you directing them? >> [ bleep ]. at work. >> laura, doesn't that show just how bad the media is? especially on top of couric which we'll get to in a minute. by, you know, move the flag this way, kneel down, do this, do that. it's hilarious. >> yeah, you know, sean, i was half expecting the telemundo crowd to call for wardrobe, no, you don't look exactly authentic as a protester, makeup. >> wardrobe, makeup. >> they should bring their own crew with them so they outfit

the protesters. maybe they should actually help build better signs and signage because signs are looking really tired. again, this feeds into the narrative that has obviously taken hold in the country. no trust in the american media and more excitement, i think, about trump. when people see this chaos and the collaboration between media forces and protesters, i think it makes trump more appealing to a the lot of folks because it all looks corrupt. it all looks like a total staged shot. it all looks choreographed. meanwhile, they say trump's the reality candidate? i say telemundo is acting at least like a reality television network rather than a news network. if it's a news network, you know, just air the truth about what's happening. you don't have to embellish it. >> so herman, you got the telemundo tape i just aired. i'll invite telemundo on if they want to talk about it. >> yeah. >> then you have "the new york times" story that was debunked by the very women that they

mentioned. yet it also exposes the double standard because they don't want to juanita broaddrick and kathleen willey and paula jones. then you got this other instance, here's katie couric, cbs news, nbc news, and let's first play the pause that they edited in to the interview in this gun group in virginia. watch this and then we'll play what really happened. >> if there are no background checks for gun purchasers, how do you prevent felons or terrorists from purchasing a gun? . >> they edit in eight seconds. here's what really happened. watch this. >> how do you prevent felons or terrorists from walking into, say, a licensed gun dealer and purchasing a gun? >> well, one, if you're not in jail, you should still have your basic rights and you should be able to buy a gun. >> if you're a terrorist or a

felon -- >> if you're a felon and you've done time, you should -- >> we have statutes both at the federal and state level that prohibit classes of people from being in possession of firearms. >> edited in eight seconds of dead air. it is a -- why is she still working? >> because -- because she wanted it to look like she stopped the people who support the 2nd amendment. she didn't stump the people who support the 2nd amendment. and that's one of the reasons why a lot of voters have said, enough is enough. they have awakened to the deception on the part of some people in the media. the katie couric situation is one. that other tape that you played, that telemundo was trying to stage a shot in front of a trump rally because they want to spoon feed the hispanics and the mexican community that trump is bad for them.

i get calls every day on my radio show from latinos, hispanics and mexicans who say they are supporting trump. >> yeah. >> the gig is up. they know what's going on. lastly, telemundo needs to get the memo. this is the united states of america. show some american flags sometimes. not flags that represent hatred and represent divisiveness that they're trying to do it. should be about assimilation and not isolation and they want a certain group of people to be isolated in this country. >> i said journalism was dead in 2008. it's dead. all right. we'll take a break. we'll come back. more with laura ingraham, herman cain right after the break. and also later tonight, a gorilla was shot and killed over the holiday weekend at the cincinnati zoo. after a 4-year-old boy fell into the animal's enclosure. the debate is growing as to whether or not the zoocokeepers made the right call.

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welcome back to "hannity," we continue with laura ingraham and herman cain. laura, i want to put on the screen, we got a new "associated press "/orc poll, shows a major lack of confidence in the republican party. we saw this in the exit polls. confidence in the party, a great deal, 8%. only some, 40%. hardly any, 51%. i just had donald trump on. i wanted john boehner gone years before he left. while speaker he added nearly $5 trillion to the debt. in this lack of confidence and trust, is is a good idea, which is what i was asking trump to put his promises on paper like a contract? maybe gold leaf because it's trump. you think that's a good idea? >> i think it is a good idea, sean. it gives people a sense of clarity as to where he's going and i think people have such distrust for politicians that if he doesn't have a clear

blueprint going in beyond the few things that he's discussed, the wall and so forth, that i think it's going it be harder for him. it's also a good way for him to bring the republican establishment, you know, to the mat so to speak on these issues. and given how unpopular the gop establishment is, isn't it better for trump to say, look, i know a lot of you can't like republicans out there, maybe you're independents, maybe even some democrats. this is how i'm going to be different from the way they've done business in the last really, i think you could say seven years. >> yeah. >> i'm going to do this, this and this. they don't like this. but i'm going to bring them along. i think it actually would help him a lot with undecided voters and independents and it would also push folks like paul ryan, maybe to some extent mitch mcconnell to the table. >> exactly. build the wall, fix the v.a., build up our military, balance our budget, eliminate obamacare, health savings accounts -- >> ditch the tpp. the trans-pacific partnership.

ditch that completely. >> ditch all that. you know, bring american jobs back. better trade deals. put it on paper. everybody knows what to expect. if he doesn't follow through, he doesn't get re-elected. >> great idea. >> what do you think, herman cain? >> i like the idea, but an additional reason to the ones that laura delineated, and the that is it will help to thwart some of the attempts on the part of the liberal media to only spoon feed the people what they want them to hear. if it's in writing in the form of a contract, it's much more difficult for them to continue to say things like, where are the specifics? he's got meant of specifics. but people don't have time, a lot of liberals, they're not going to go to his website. i think it's a good idea from the standpoint that it puts a stake in the ground and it makes it more difficult for liberals to say what he's not going to do. >> all right. so next question that i asked him, laura, is what about announcing, i stated publicly, i think newt gingrich was transformative as a speaker. i think he'd be the best vice president. i don't think kasich wants it, i

don't think rubio obviously wants it. i would look, okay, let's pick newt but also name a team of rivals. maybe rudy for a.g., or chris christie for a.g. rudy for department of homeland security. bobby jindal, pam bondi, i'm thinking of other names, ben carson, herman cain. you know, a list of people to show how serious a general for department of defense, how serious he would be about governing. would that help? >> yeah, i think that's a good idea. and i would add this, though, sean, to that. as powerful as that is, i think it's a great idea, he's going to have to win this on his own in respects. the people who have doubts about trump are going to want to see him go beyond just the repartae with the media. we had the big dustup with the abc reporter. people know he can do that. he does that pretty brutally. they get that. but what they want to see from him is a sober, practical, very

realistic approach to rebuilding ourmy. i think this is going to be decided as a debate on globalization and his plan to bring jobs back to the united states. and obviously sealing the border, keeping us safe. that's where this is going to be decided. >> agreed. >> he's going to have to win this on his own as a national campaign, sean. not just focused on ohio and florida. >> if he shows serious people that have been successful, i'm serious about herman cain. i put him on any lists to do any job in government. and laura, i'd hire you but you make too much money. >> thank you. >> you can't afford the pay cut. >> i'm not you, sean. >> okay. whatever. but i'd seriously consider you guys as people, or pam bondi who i think has done a great job as attorney general in florida or maybe even rick scott. people that will prove how serious he is about hiring the best people. good idea? herman? >> i think donald trump got a lot of mileage out of putting out a list of 11 people that he would consider for supreme court justice. i think he got a lot of mileage

out of it. look, mr. super conservative, himself, rick santorum, even endorsed trump. he looked past all of the noise. >> yeah. >> so if trump, he doesn't have to specify exactly what position all of these people would take if he were to say similar to what he did with the supreme court list, these are the kind of people that i am going to add -- >> that's a great idea. >> -- to participate in my administration. >> who would you like for v.p.? >> i love newt gingrich for v.p. >> what do you think, laura? >> he's now number one pick. >> it's my one, two and three people. i thought deeply about this especially with kasich and rubio out of the mix, he's one, two, and three for me. laura? >> yeah, i don't know. i mean, i think you need to pick someone as vice president who is absolutely loyal to your agenda and his agenda is nixing the trade deals, immigration. i think gingrich is pretty good on those issues but i think there might be some -- might be some tension there. i'm also worried that something happens to trump, obviously

gingrich would step in but if it's eight years from now, gingrich might be a little older to take over as president. >> you have to think eight years from now? can we get through november? >> i do. no, no, sean, i want to destroy the establishment for the next, like, 25 years. long-term planning. >> now you're making a good case. all right, guys. thank you both. and coming up, did zookeepers at the cincinnati zoo do the right thing when they shot and killed a gorilla after a 4-year-old fell into its enclosure during the holiday weekend? it is a fierce debate coming up it is a fierce debate coming up ne get ready... to show your roots. with root touch up from nice'n easy it blends with leading shades, even salon shades. in just 10 minutes. so pick your shade. and show the world your roots... ...with root touch-up.

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joining us with reaction, wildlife advocate and expert dan stockdale and tom stalf is with us. broken. you see that 450 pound gorilla, dragging this kid, and if this -- look at it from the other side. if the zoo did not kill him, or try to tranquilize him, and it backfired and angered the gorilla and the kid was killed people would be outraged that the kid wasn't saved. it's a no-win situation for the zoo. i think they made the right call. >> absolutely. when you watch the video, you see how agitated the silver back gorilla is acting. you can see how he is throwing

the child around. what are your options? one option, people would ask is why won't we said yat the gorilla? well, it's not the movies. when you said yat an animal, it could take up to 20 minutes. if the animal is agitated it might not take affect. if the sedative would have been used as a dart from a rifle, that would have agitated the gorilla more. unfortunately, it was the right decision. and -- the cincinnati zoo, they acted quickly with their response team, to evaluate the situation and unfortunately, they had to make that call. that call is something that they have been performing in exercises and drills just like the columbus zoo and aquarium. we prepare and hope it never happens. >> dan, if it was my child, i'd

want the zoo to do what they did in that particular case. the reaction and, i guess the question, how is this kid able to go through barriers and have this accident? falling down? that is something that needs to be investigated. >> right. and that is -- i think any parent in this situation wants to make sure our children are safe. so you'd expect the zoo to take whatever measures are necessary to ensure the safety of our children. that is understandable. my concern on our end as a couplefold. first, we know the gorilla was agitated and the zoo admitted themselves that part of the agitation was coming from bystanders out there screaming, agitating the gorilla. >> the people are shocked and it's a natural reaction. >> i understand that. but as part of the training should be to remove the bystanders as quickly as

possible. everyone knows. >> but can't this 450 pound gorilla kill that child in a second? >> in a split second, they could. part of what i'm saying is the agitation.anders and we had a situation with jambo. the gorilla protected the child. there are other things they can do in preparation. >> would you want to risk for your child? >> they have to make the decisions. >> i have to go. i have to go. >> the best decisions given what they have. >> sad situation, they made the right call. coming up, on this issue, we need your

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let us know what you think. unfortunately that is all the time we have left. thanks for joining us, we'll see you back here tomorrow night. all your news right here "on the record." there is a firestorm over this gorilla. dramatic video of a child? a gorilla cage. now everyone is pointing fingers. so who is to blame in the zoo? the parents? celebrity zoo keeper jack hanna will tell you if he thinks the zoo made the right call. now there is news of a criminal investigation. also weather alert in the state of texas. dangerous and deadly storms sweeping throughout the lone star state. will the cows swim out and make it to dry land? fox is tracking this absolutely wicked weather. donald trump on the loose and on attack. his target? us, the media today the republican presumptive nominee came out to defend veterans. news