let's do it again. "outnumbered" starts right now. ♪ sandra: hello on this monday, this is "outnumbered." i'm sandra smith. here today, harris faulkner, host of "kennedy" on fox business kennedy, democratic strategist, julie roginsky, today's hash harks, we are glad to welcome back the chairman of the house oversight committee and congressman from the great state of utah, jason chaffetz. you sir, are "outnumbered." >> thanks for having me back, appreciate it. harris: you've been really business on the hill. >> target-rich environment. we're the oversight committee. we were in china. in china talking to true communists. it is fascinating world out there. >> did you just go to a bernie sanders rally? >> maybe we should stopped in california and done that. sandra: a lot to get to here. good to have you here, congressman. hillary clinton may be on the cusp of the democratic

nomination but she first has to put away bernie sanders. the two are neck-and-neck in california before tomorrow's primary. clinton is the 26 delegates to become the first woman ever to clinch her party's nomination. from the sound of it she is ready to have the democratic stage all to herself. for the first time, clinton suggested sanders should bow out of the race after tomorrow's contest and get behind her, listen. >> after tuesday, i will do everything i can to reach out to try to unify the democratic party. i expect senator sanders to do the same. we will come together and be prepared to go to the convention in a unified way to make our case, to leave the convention, to go into the general election to defeat donald trump. sandra: but sanders doesn't appear to be going anywhere. at a news conference this weekend he promised the democratic convention will be a contested one. >> at the end of the nominating process no candidate will have

enough pledged delegates to call the campaign a victory. they will be dependent upon superdelegates. in other words, the democratic national commit convention will be a contested convention. sandra: meantime "the new york times" reporting that president obama could endorse hillary clinton as early as this week. all right, congressman chaffetz, hillary is suggesting that bernie, it is time to go but doesn't look like he is going anywhere. is that fair? >> i don't think she will just snap her fingers and call it good and just move on and expect all those bernie sanders people will just line up behind her. they're not feeling the bern for hillary the way they feel the bern for bernie sanders. sandra: what is going on that side of the race? clearly the math says hillary clinton is on the way to being the nominee? >> if you listen to bernie

sanders as long as she gets all the superdelegates, if you think about the process, the idea that are superdelegates that don't get elected and go through the process, a lot depends on tomorrow. i think california is really jump ball as, think about it. she is going into this and it is still a jump ball and still might lose tomorrow in california she thinks they're all united. sandra: kennedy let's deal with that possibility, that she may lose. bernie sanders wins. what happens to the race. >> regardless of how it falls they're so close right now. one poll has him up by percentage point. real clear politics have them separated by two percentage points with her on top. california is place who their nominee is. they never have a voice in the process. finally they do. i think you will find a lot of bernie sanders supporters giving a bit of a grudge vote and you know, what he is saying is, he is absolutely right because when

we report number of delegates she has and needs to clinch the nomination, people often times include the superdelegate number. they're unpledged for a reason. they're not counted until you get to the convention in philadelphia. therefore, you know he has got reason enough. and perceptually if he wins this is a huge victory for him tomorrow. sandra: so what does his continued presence do to hillary clinton's campaign. >> you know it is unclear because obviously she won california herself eight years ago. she beat barack obama really soundly in california in 2008 but we forget before we get to the california the polls close in the great garden state of new jersey, my home state, where harris lives now and she will clinch it before the polls close because new jersey closes at 8:00 eastern time. the question for bernie sanders. he does not have the pledged delegates to two forward. the superdelegate system, elizabeth warren agrees as well, it is insane system and should get rid of it, since it exists for now, what she should do,

what hillary clinton should do is get enough superdelegates putting letter out in the next week saying we're not switching our vote, bernie sanders, give it up. if this goes to the philadelphia convention, if donald bernie sas sets his sight on donald trump, he knows this is silly thing to do. >> he wants to defeat donald trump and defeat hillary clinton. he has to stay in there. we don't know what will happen with the fbi. none of us are psychic or privy to the conversation and investigations. someone has to play in. >> i want to play shortstop for the yankees. that is my dream. it ain't going to happen my friend and ain't going to happen for bernie sanders. >> brian cashman is not coming to your house. harris: much more interesting than i thought it was going to be, brian really going to your house? >> he is not, not yet. harris: when you talk about the super delegate situation we saw in puerto rico last night as we await results to come in, you saw a 7th superdelegate come

on waiting to fet the tally. she is already trying to do that. she goes state by state trying to get superdelegates to come out and support her to say we're not going to switch. she got seven out of seven available in puerto rico last night. that i think will continue with her. i think she will push for that. if bernie looks at california or comes really close or and actually wins but can't get through the nominating process. he can only thank himself. what we heard most clicked on moment of all this primary season in the debates when he said, you know i don't want to hear anymore about those damn emails. i'm quoting him. he can only thank himself. he gave her open door and free pass on one of the bigger issues, not the email server and the clinton foundation tied to that. and what we might have learned frommed clinton foundation and where money went to foreign governments from her email. sandra: what does it say about the election matchup, between

hillary clinton and donald trump where she has a hard time shaking bernie sanders? >> she is not a good candidate. she lacks authenticity. does not come with creditability. the way she responds to allegations of wrongdoing, not making herself available to the public. there is -- sandra: we'll talk about that later in the hour. >> there is a reason why barack obama peter so soundly last time. she just not a good candidate. if you don't have authenticity and don't have credibility, you're just not going anywhere. >> i think you could make the argument none are good candidates. neither is borne bierne because of that botched play -- bernie sanders. like watching golden state beat the cavs, so much sloppy play and turnovers, but in the end golden state won by 30 points. sandra: right here all day and into the wee hours of the evening as polls close in the state of california, keep it right here on fnc.

meanwhile it is deposition on hold. the i.t. specialist who set up clinton's rogue home email server, bryan pack parks has decided to plead the fifth. a judge is demanding memorandum outlining legal authority for him to remain silent in the lawsuit over hillary clinton's emails. one national security attorney tells "the hill," by not talking he increases chances former secretary of state will be called to testify. is she concerned about being indicted? here she is. >> there is absolutely no possibility of that. that is just never going to come to pass. i have absolutely no doubt about that. and, we will, you know go into the convention united and we will come out and work hard to defeat donald trump. harris: gosh i wish i could take the crystal ball to vegas. how does she know that for sure. >> she lives in alternate universe. i mean, for her to categorically deny that this is a serious threat to her, it lacks total

credibility. she set up the email server on the very same day that she started her senate confirmation process. she is now gone through the investigation by the inspector general, by refusing to talk to the inspector general at the same time she looks into the camera saying i do everything i can to cooperate but she won't talk to the inspector general. there are things, lists of lists -- harris: you don't believe in coincidences, congressman? >> that two people she is supposed to ask for permission, the head of security and head of i.t., never asked permission to do this. people on intelligence committee looked at emails, they're so sensitive even the inspector general can't look at them because of classification of these emails. she says there is no threat? there is active fbi investigation. harris: one more quick one from hillary clinton on the i.g. report. she got asked about it. let's watch. >> you don't accept the conclusions of the report because they say you were unmindful of rules? >> everybody in the department

knew i was emailing from a personal address. hundreds of people knew it. people around the government knew it and, you know, that was what the practice had been and that's what i did as well. >> so i take it you don't accept their conclusion? harris: is she blaming everybody else? >> congressman, i have a question for you. james comey, head of the fbi i would think you would agree is not a partisan hack. if he does not recommend an indictment, if we have no leaks from the fbi saying we have recommended indictment, justice department didn't take us up, if he says there is really no case to make against her legally will you accept that finding? will you say okay, fine this is not an illegal thing she's done? i feel like people keep saying that she did something illegal, but if the fbi acts and says actually we looked into this and we don't think she did anything illegal will you and fellow republicans accept that. >> probably, because we do believe in james comey. in all of the government i do think that he is a man of

integrity and honesty. he came before the house judiciary committee which i'm on he said he looks at this daily. his finger is on the pulse of this. nothing happens without him and i think he is going to the definitive person to make a determination or recommendation. we'll see where that goes. sandra: that being said, congressman, put the crystal ball back in your lap, what does he do? >> well it continues to go on. i've read certain things. i don't know whether or not they're true but i do think it is imperative they get it done sooner rather than later. the fact, again i have read, i don't know that it is true, mr. pagliano, who is the i.t. specialist, actually got some immunity. you probably wouldn't get an immunity unless you offered, had a proffer in place and you had some valuable information. that person is pleading the there are by some news reports, hundreds of agents working on this. there is something there there. or they wouldn't continue on to this day without coming to conclusion. >> there is different criteria in the two different cases.

he has immunity from the justice department. harris: not from -- >> actually where he has immunity. where he doesn't have immunity and where he is pleading the fifth in the "judicial watch" case which is a civil case. harris: civil. >> and pleading the fifth there could actually hurt him. in criminal case it can not. in criminal case that is against self-incrimination which is very important distinction because in the civil case if he doesn't say anything, it could not only make him look worse but as you said, it could also set up the secretary for having to come forward and she said the fbi hasn't yet made a date with me to come in but they are still actively through her lawyer talking to the fbi. and they're not going to decide on an indictment until they spoken with her. >> i assume you would know better than i do, you get a target letter, if you're target of investigation. she claimed -- >> she has not claimed she has not gotten a specific date. >> is there grand jury convened? if he getting an indictment a grand jury would have been

convened now i assume. there is no grand jury -- no evidence that this is trending into criminal investigation. >> the head of the fbi said. >> the director of the fbi not in any way, shape or forms said she is target of the investigation, or has he? am i missing something here? >> i think it is pretty common knowledge they are setting her email system she set up in her own home? >> but is she the target of the investigation. >> there is questions about the safety and security about the information transferred in and out of her system. look at the i.g. report just issued it is very damning report and very conclusive that she ignored the rules and put people at risk and she was not abiding by their own documents that she agreed to -- >> i'm very happy to hear, you and i hope a lot of your fellow congressman agree with you on this, if there is no recommendation by the feds let's take a deep breath and move on. >> what if there is? if there is recommendation for felony charges and justice department --

>> then i happen to agree with congressman chaffetz that james comey is not partisan hack. maybe that is cale from him telling us right now. if there is any sort of recommendation from james comey fbi investigation -- >> should she drop out of the race? >> absolutely. i agree. harris: interesting point you brought up, federal versus civil. was it director comey. >> mom, is that you? i love you. >> i put him on hold. harris: he will wait. donald trump facing fire from top republicans over his criticism of the latino judge handling the trump university lawsuit. donald trump is refusing to back down, expanding comments to include muslim judges. how will that play with the voters? we're already halfway through through 2016, hillary clinton has not held a formal news conference all year. sandra and i threatened to skate after her. why is she afraid to face us. pop up online with the tv

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♪ >> welcome back. this is "outnumbered." of course donald trump refusing to back down amid backlash over his criticism of the judge of mexican heritage who is handling the trump university lawsuit. trump claims judge gonzalo curiel is not treating him fairly because he wants to build a wall on the u.s.--mexico border. he stepped things up if a muslim judge could be fair due to his call to temporarily ban muslim refugees and tourists. watch. >> if it was also a muslim judge do you think he would not be able to treat you fairly because of that poll sieve yours. >> it would be possible yes. that is possible, absolutely. harris: >> number of republicans slamming trump for his criticism of the judge. >> the comment about the judge the other day was out of left field from my mind. it is reasoning i don't relate to. i completely disagree with the thinking behind that. >> i don't agree with what he had to say.

this is a man who was born in indiana. all of us came here from somewhere else. >> this is one of the worst mistakes trump has made. it is inexcusable. of the this judge was born in indiana. he is an american, period. >> i was born in indiana too. earlier today trump firing back during a phone interview on "fox & friends" where he was asked about newt gingrich's remarks. >> it shouldn't even be a case. this case should have been thrown out on summary judgment and if somebody else were there, this would have been thrown out on summary judgment. as far as newt is concerned. i saw newt. i was surprised at newt. i thought it was inappropriate what he said. all i'm trying to do is figure out why i'm being treated so unfairly by a judge and a lot of people agree with it. >> did newt get booted off the vp list? what do you think, congressman. >> you can disagree with somebody's political affiliation and -- >> was it too close to home? was it racist? >> the idea you will attack

somebody based on heritage you will not get a fair ruling, i don't think that resonates. i don't believe in it and i think it is wrong of him to have said it but he does tell it the way he sees it. >> yeah. >> i happen to disagree with that i don't think it will win him any points in the court or with the judge. i think he could have dismissed it simply by saying, you know what? the case is being ajudicated. it is in the courts, leave it to my attorneys and move on and we wouldn't be in day three talking about this. >> are you at all surprised not dialing back? >> i'm not surprised. i'm surprised paul ryan this came out of left field. out of left field? this guy is using racist code words or not code words -- saying you will band 1.6 muslims from coming here because of their religion. that is pretty bad. i'm surprised paul ryan, woe is me, where is this coming from. this guy has been a birther since 2008, 2010. all of sudden the speaker of the

house who just endorsed him seemed to be shocked shocked gambling is going on here? i don't understand where he is coming from. >> almost seems like a little bit of betrayal on the right. newt gingrich came forward to give forceful defense of donald trump and appeared on the short list of possible vp candidates they're all kind of up in arms. harris: one thing i would say that is a little bit different in my experience covering candidate, normally surrogates would check with you first before making a statement like that, particularly if you know you're on the short list as a vp pick. so i would say that got a little dicey among these men. but i also want to point to a couple of facts. so, the judge is of mexican heritage. he was born in america. judge napolitano pointed out this morning, people are criticizing him as donald trump has belonging to a group called la raza. napolitano says no, the key word there was. he used to be a member or supporter, or whatever it was. as sitting justice he can't belong to any advocacy group.

my question for donald trump is, if you take out curiel based on his heritage, would you have taken out thurgood marshall, our first african-american sitting supreme court justice, during the sill rights conversations in cases? furthermore, would you take out clarence thomas? i mean it's, it bears the question. >> where does it end? harris: where does it end. sandra: congressman in newt gingrich's comments when he called donald trump's words inexcusable, one of the worst mistakes trump every made he said trump has to move to a new level. this is in the same interview. this is no longer the primaries. he is no longer an interesting contender. he is potential leader of the united states. do you believe as he moves into the general out of the primary he has got to change? he has been asked a million times by other republicans change the rhetoric, change the tone. do you believe he needs to do that? >> well i think newt gingrich's assessment was spot on. i do happen to agree with that. who am i to say the guy has to change.

i want there to be authenticity. as we go into an election. i want the person to be who they are rather than so handled and manipulated. that candidate is hillary clinton. if you want to see somebody totally scripted all the time, go vote for hillary clinton. if you have somebody that tells like it is way they see it, that is what is endearing about donald trump. >> are you comfortable who he is? you want to be like he is. are you comfortable with this kind of rhetoric? i can't imagine most well meaning republicans are rhetoric against a sitting judge based on ethnicity. >> i can disagree on policy and principles. i disagree with the statements he made there but do i think he would be much better candidate and much better president than hillary clinton. you betcha all day long. yes. harris: i wonder if republicans will step up and start to handle him a little more when they make statements. that is also disrespectful. >> these are mistakes he doesn't have to mistake at this point. he is watching hillary clinton being attacked on both fronts,

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♪ sandra: with controversy going over the selective editing of a 2013 state department press

briefing on the iran nuclear deal our own one lucky guy, house oversight committee chairman jason chaffetz has sent a letter to secretary of state john kerry demanding that the state department quote, identify by name and job title the individual or individuals who were involved in the tampering. this as the agency says its investigation has hit a dead end. now we're hearing from secretary kerry. he is calling the editing of the video stupid and clumsy and inappropriate. adding that he would like to find out exactly what happened and why. congressman, what is it that you are asking for here? >> well, look, they're trying, i think they snookered the american people when ben rhodes and company tried to sell the iranian deal. now that it is in place, there seems to be a whitewashing of the record because here you have this instance where there is eight minutes of video that is extracted. now they're saying it is on

purpose. now we find a second case where they have actually deleted a portion, a small portion, but a very important portion of the record in the transcript. so it starts to look more like a pattern as opposed one-off about. we expect the secretary of state and the state department to come clean and find out who will be held accountable. sandra: do you think you will get anything back? >> later today we're sending requests for the secretary of state to appear before the oversight committee. they -- originally we were trying to have ben rhodes come testify. they said that wasn't going to be problem, less than 24 hours before they claimed there is separation of branches problem that they had. sandra: executive privilege. >> and so, they didn't make him available. so now we want the senate confirmed secretary of state to come, between now and july 5th tenet we expect him to come to the oversight committee and help explain all these problems. harris: with the ben rhodes things i was confused because he already talked to the media. >> yeah. >> that's true.

that is really good point. >> he talks to the media -- he had, that same day he had a public speaking engagement where he answered questions. >> i saw clips from it. >> but would not appear before congress. >> can i ask you a quick question about this because this is really troublesome. you want a transparent administration, whether the state department or white house. if that is what they're promising they should deliver most basic threshold and they're not. do you think there is direct connection between ben rhodes and missing footage at the state department? >> i don't know but i do know that they have actually taken transcript and pulled it out of the record. they ed ted out eight minutes of video. that can not stand. that is absolutely excusable. you're seeing media far and wide understand how manipulative this administration has been to them and they're letting them get away with it. >> you're oddly silent? >> i'm not silent. i completely agree with

everything you said. there is no excuse for any type of behavior. i hate when they edit the congressional record. there is no excuse editing public documents we pay for our tax dollars. john kerry is right to demand answers. i hope he is sincere. i hope you get the answer you require from this committee there. is no excuse of kind of behavior. as taxpayer this shouldn't be issue. >> someone picked up the phone and call the editor and the he had toward took it out. therefore you would have no digital record. i find that very hard to believe. harris: how many employees could you talk to. >> there are 300 they would have to interview one by one to get an ends. why not do it? harris: kerry is calling this stupid and inappropriate. he said he is very angry about this. do you think you'll get him to come forward? >> if we mutually agree weed out and find people held accountable. nothing in the government gets you fired around here. >> good point. >> that should be one of them. harris: that is a true statement. iran is pushing back after the

state department put out its annual report as tehran the top state sponsor of terror. a former military spokesperson called the report fictitious. a -- could force the obama administration whether it paid a ransom to release 10 sailors held by iran later this year. $1.7 billion of taxpayer money was reportedly sent to the islamic republic one day after they freed our americans. what happened there? you're overseeing cash. what happened? >> we want secretary kerry come before the committee. we want to know if some sort of payment was made. harris: did he agree to that. >> in all fairness we sent it today. we want to know what payments were made to iran in the iranian deal. we had the president say 150 billion. we had the secretary of the treasury say it is 3 billion.

we want to know what the secretary of state is doing in europe trying to get banking arrangements for iran. harris: you don't know? >> i don't think the public knows. that is why we wanted to have ben rhodes come before the committee. that's why i think we need the lead negotiator as he calls himself, secretary of state john kerry come and clarify this because still to this day, we don't know the details of the iranian deal. what are the side deals? does anybody know what they are? no. sandra: if you don't know what they are -- harris: they think i need counseling but you really don't have an idea. >> i think you need counseling i would agree with that but i don't know the details. nobody in congress does. nobody in the world knows except iranians and select people in the white house. they have to tell us. they have to come clean. harris: the ransom money and the idea that our guys are capitulated the guns were drawn and made a statue of our sailors in iran so people can see how great the iranian government is i suppose. what about the money, that 1.billion dollars? >> don't know. this is why the legislation is

moving through the process to compel the administration to tell us whether or not that was tied, was this a ransom payment? the coincidence on the timing is just really strange. >> explanation was very, very poor and it was vague and so unsatisfactory. i think it is very fair to press the white house, figure out where did this money come from? why was it all of sudden freed at this last minute. this they are really horrible negotiators. harris: julie? >> as i said last week as well the iranians are one of the worst regimes on earth. you're absolutely right, that we need to know exactly what was in the deal, a deal i very, very reluctantly supported if it accomplishes the goal the administration claims it will accomplish. harris: do you regret it now? >> i don't regret it, i know my history too well. we talked about it other day with soviets. you negotiate with horrible regimes if you want to accomplish very narrow goals. i hope it will prevent them from going nuclear next decade but we'll see.

>> maybe that is the problem. there are so much we don't know that is actually broadens everything -- >> i'm with you. i would like to know what is going on. listen we'll not change the iranian's regime behavior. there is nothing we can do to suddenly join the democracy of nations to make them some amazing fellow among nations. they're one of the worst regimes if not the worst regime on earth. they are absolutely out to get us. they're out to get israel. they fund hamas, they fund hezbollah, they fund a bunch of terrorist organizations around the world. they're a horrible regime. to me this deal was very limited in scope. the jury is still out whether it succeeded or not. >> they gave them $100 billion. state department's own admission. they're the leading -- >> don't. >> leading sponges source of terrorism and gave them $100 billion. you don't think that will come back and kill -- >> how much aid did we give soviets with nuclear weapons at us and nikita crew chef yelling

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♪ >> the clinton campaign is downplaying recent polls that show a very tight general election race. the "real clear politics"

average shows hillary clinton leading donald trump by less than go points. top clinton advisor john poe test today is acknowledging a close race but he doesn't appear to be worried by the polls. >> the general election is just coming into focus and i think that what we've seen over the last few weeks is that donald trump has been able to consolidate republicans including speaker ryan. he has consolidated republicans. that led to something of a tighten of the polls but this is really just begun and that's why hillary clinton on thursday of this week went to san diego and really laid out a strong case about why he is unfit. why he can't, he does not meet the commander-in-chief test. sandra: meantime the democratic front-runner appears to be taking a harsher tone. listen to what she told a crowd in california last night? >> we're going to have a very contentious campaign because i'm

going to point out at every single moment that can why i believe the republican nominee should never get near the white house. but ultimately, ultimately, this will be a decision, this will be a decision of the american people. sandra: did you see this, congressman? a change in tone from hillary clinton? >> no. first of all for her to suggest she is not worried about the polls. come on, nobody believes that if you're running for president you're looking at polls every day. you're worried about whether or not you're in front. sandra: to her defense the polling hasn't necessarily as julia will point out called this lech so far. >> no it hasn't, to say they're not worried about it or not thinking about it i don't think is believable in any way shape or form. it will be contentious campaign and cantankerous and authenticity i think will win the day. blunt speaking of donald trump far outweigh the scripted person

of hillary clinton because she lacks as i said a couple times here, lacks authenticity, lacks credibility. she's got her own, donald trump keeps calling her "crooked hillary" and there is a lot of substance. harris: as someone who is expert on these campaigns and advising candidates, what would you, julie roginsky tell hillary clinton to do as she starts to ready herself for the general? >> i would never presume all politicians, most successful politicians, dare say i think even you, look at polls and find out what people may want to hear and repeat your message over and over again. maybe not you but most successful politicians do that. for anybody to say, let's start extemporaneously talking about whether it comes to mind, whether mexican judges are not fit or mexican descent judges are unfit to that somehow trumps somebody that stays on message, whatever their poll something tells them successful winning

message, congressman you know well. >> has to be basis of truth. what she said just in the last few days has no basis in truth. >> about donald trump's record? >> she is under investigation. she is did not abide by what the state department said that she should do. she created a situation that put people's lives in danger. you combine that with benghazi and her lack of any sort of success again, i still challenge her, what in the world for four years has secretary of state did she accomplish in that time? sandra: she can't enumerate anything. >> that is good winning message except for one thing, that she came out anticipating that was obviously what the republican message was going to be and delivered speech says okay, you might think i'm "crooked hillary," you might think benghazi, you might think emails and all things being said of me but is this guy you want with finger on nuclear button. i'm betting that is not. >> she read that based on poll. >> of course. >> she is reading polls. she is unauthentic. she is unethical and she is not trustworthy and doesn't tell the truth.

but that reaction, i pointed this out last week, that is the wrong reaction for her right now. she can triangulate to trump, should do it after california because she has a lot of bernie supporters in inland california watching that foreign policy speech, i knew it. she is a hawk. she wants to blow everyone up and screw up the middle east like any other person that i fun -- >> i fundamentally disagree with. >> she wants to show democrats a lot of democrats unsure whether she takes fight to trump that she can take the fight to trump. that speech last week reassured a lot of democrats including some in california about the fact she is the right candidate to take it to trump. >> she is only candidate they have got now. sorry, bernie. sandra: y'all are convinced looking at polls saying she is not worried. >> they say that when they're losing. >> only polls that count is election day. come on, you never heard that before? sandra: been quick to comment about donald trump's controversies when it comes to facing questions of her own clinton is not so willing to talk.

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>> well hello. it has been 185 days since hillary clinton held a formal news conference. i miss her so much. it has been a month since she took questions traveling press corps. painting a different picture. go ahead, picasso. >> at end of the day we will do avail, what is known as avail so people in your business where she informnally comes out after event is concluded after taken photos and selfies and literally stand there, 15, 20 minutes, answer questions from the traveling press corps and inbeds from various networks. bottom line she is answering questions from reporters covering her day-to-day. >> no, she is not. some in clinton's traveling press corporation including one of fox's producers who travels with the campaign calling that quote completely not true. saying clinton almost never talks to reporters and generally ignores or avoids the press as

much as possible. her last avail was nearly a month ago. and that last formal news conference, that happened in december. more than six months ago. now, harris this, is a job that you have done. you have followed candidates. you know how important it is to get these questions answered from a person who may be leading the free world. harris: all right, so recently hillary clinton says, i've talked, i've given all these hundreds of interviews. it is not the same situation as it is to go before a group of reporters in unscripted fashion. it is one of the reasons why we've seen some presidents, filibuster us because they know if they talk for nine minutes on one answer, we get to 10 questions that is the purpose of news conference. unscripted moment to press on issues. that is what she is avoiding. why? >> what is she avoiding? she hasn't called me. i feel bad for brian fallon. i've had his job. you try -- >> would you want to be lying?

>> i'm sorry. >> is he lying? >> i don't know if he is lying but the facts don't line up with his contention, let's put it that way. harris: you're so cute. >> i am so cute, thank you. i think she should "meet the coo meet the press, and i think it is absolutely a mistake. if you're running for office you should be accountable to the media. clearly a campaign decision for them not to do that, another strategy point of theirs, nevertheless you're right, british do it well. they have prime ministers question time. i think it's a great time. we don't have it here. >> accountable to the media, accountable to the voters. >> amen. sandra: she wouldn't debate bernie sanders when she was prompted to. >> when she promised she would. sandra: same candidate promised last time around anybody running for highest office in the land should be ready to debate at any moment at any point in the election. >> do you think this quill get better or worse? this will get worse.

i know we talked about it before. she said she wants to put the email controversy behind her. she will answer any question. when the inspector general makes the request it gets denied. this is pattern. she does this, refuses to talk to reporters. she doesn't talk to the inspector general. she does not want to answer questions and be held accountable. harris: you know who is good at news conferences though? donald trump. he takes every question. he stands there, you have watched him. we've watched him. >> he turned his primary victory speeches into press conferences. >> i would advise him not, that i'm in the business of advising him tone that down. maybe that is not so helpful. harris: look at juxtaposition. you have somebody who won't talk in six months in news conference fashion and somebody who will absolutely do it. why would you tell him to stop? harris: because of the candidate. >> maybe you're not a good candidate. if you can't have a press conference to answer basic questions and be held accountable for your decisions or future decisions --

>> i'm not disagreeing she should do it. obviously strategic decision on their point. >> but they mislead the public. their spokesperson goes on television and happens this every day and people there say it doesn't happen. >> it is very sad and much to discuss. fortunately we have more "outnumbered" in just a moment. i asked my dentist if an electric toothbrush was

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