>> we'll see you right here in an hour. jon: "outnumbered" begins right now. harris: let's start here with a fox news alert, remembering a boxing legend loved across america and around the globe. a prayer service for muhammad ali getting underway in his hometown of louisville, kentucky. thousands of people expected to attend that. it will be followed by a celebration of life event for ali. celebrities, world dignitaries expected to be there. muhammad ali died of septic shock last friday. the three-time heavyweight champ also fought a long battle with parkinson's disease. he was 74. tomorrow ahead after private service a funeral procession through louisville is planned. watch our live coverage led by our own shepard smith, beginning

2:00 p.m. eastern here on fox news channel. this is also happening. right now bernie sanders meeting with president obama still at the white house. and the pressure is building for bernie to drop out of the race and clear the way for hillary clinton. we'll keep an eye on that. this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, sandra smith, jedediah bila, co-host a of "after the bell" on fox business, melissa francis, her tv husband. >> getting me in trouble at home. harris: i said tv. >> i know you did, thank you. harris: co-host of "after the bell" as well and host of "forbes on fox," david asman. he is outnumbered. welcome back. >> thanks for having me here. >> yes, we do. i love david. >> we do great together. harris: a lot to talk about the economy later this hour. >> absolutely. harris: you know what? it is time to talk bernie sanders. president obama having a sit-down talk at the white house. no doubt they will discuss unifying the democratic party for a general election brawl with donald trump. president obama we are told is

seeking to give the vermont senator of exiting the race on his own terms. we do know this, president is set to endorse hillary clinton so timing could be critical for bernie. on the schedule for bernie later in tv, he will speak to senate minority leader harry reid, who publicly said to sanders, give it up!. the formal backing from president for clinton expect today. details working out behind the scenes. nancy pelosi says he knows what is on the line. he should be treated no differently than any other candidate. unity in the party or what? harris: no unity at all. there is big question what happens to sanders supporters even if he does drop out. but how did the socialist from vermont, sort of unknown socialist to most of us a few years ago, get this kind of leverage where he, actually he is the one requested interview with the president. the president gave it to him. now so much attention is on this one guy.

i would submit it is because the president of the united states has gone so far, has governed so far from the left that he is made bernie sanders look mainstream. bernie sanders a socialist, is now commanding the terms of meeting with the president in the white house. why? how did it happen? again i think it is because of the president in the white house. harris: i think money has something to do with it too. remember a couple months ago we first started reporting, 40, $45 million bernie sanders is raising off of small donations, meaning a lot of people backing him. >> it is amazing. i went back to look at newspapers like "the wall street journal" and "new york times" when bernie sanders came out and said he was going to run. it talked about how no one knew him and he didn't have any money, and here he was a socialist. at the very end, he said don't underestimate me. i don't think anybody took him seriously at that point in time and he just really has, he won't go away. he is a thorn in the side of the

clintons and is really a reminder that hillary clinton has this very tough place to stake out where on one hand she has to say i'm for change like bernie sanders, but on the other hand, she has to say president obama is wonderful and i will continue doing what he is doing even though it has been a disaster! yeah. harris: jedediah, it is interesting, because if you look at this entire thing, who would have guessed that the democrats wod still be trying to unify this late in june. this has to be hillary clinton's greatest nightmare because the unification has to come in such a way that bernie's supporters as david said, really like her. >> that is true. she is not likeable. she is terrible candidate. how was bernie able to do this? easily actually and popped up out of know where facing a woman with terrible record, terribly unlikeable, can't get on television to convince people of anything, people think she is dishonest and untrustworthy. >> president obama, it's a socialist that is having this success.

>> that is what it makes it interesting about this conversation to me because bernie sanders is obama's idealogical ally. if barack obama had to go out support someone based on ideology, based on policy would not be the woman he hired, it would be this guy. sandra: i don't know why you're surprised, promising free stuff to a generation saddled in debt. difficult to find a job right now. he hit a sweet spot. jedediah and i were sitting in the green room when the show started, we saw bernie sanders walking next to the president obama walking in the white house. jedediah, looked at each other, why would he drop out? why would leave the party? he is getting invitations to the white house and sitting down with the president. harris: there he is. >> you don't think he will drop out? he will relish the moment. sandra: i'm not making any forecast. this is what is happening right now. bernie sanders has the ability to continue to influence and change the scope of this race. harris: here is one of the things he says he wants. i don't know how sincere he is,

he is not really a fan of the dnc chair debbie wasserman-schultz. >> unbelievable. he want as pound of flesh. harris: i want shults to go. will they listen to him or not. >> i don't know. i frankly think he wants something more substantive to just have her go. i think he wants a platform. i think he wants a vice-presidential or at least some input who the vp will be, et cetera. harris: what does she sort of symbolize? she symbolizes establishment taking over and blocking -- >> superdelegates. she symbolizes whole, everything involved -- i know -- harris: she is for hillary clinton. >> she is epitome what makes bernie sanders mad. he keeps coming back to the issue of money in politics. that show the superdelegates became superdelegates because of money came in. harris: must be more than that. >> she is. if you look at her record on payday loans for example, she went out there and sponsored legislation that blocked reform

and regulation on payday loans. david, you know well what they are for. these are for low-income people who do not have bank account and take loans out against the paycheck coming down the line at usury rates, preys on poorest and weakest among us. she wanted to block reform of them. that is not something bernie sanders is excited about. here is somebody who represents the democratic party on the side of banks and payday loans. she is on the wrong side of everything. she did it once again in election and i bet she very much wants her to go. harris: jedediah, who are these people, particularly republicans and trump backers like to point to? we know statistically they're out there, would say bernie is not in it. i'm not for clinton, i will go for donald trump? >> i think a lot of people are going to vote for donald trump, you know, actually support what he has to say. talking about people who would originally be supporting bernie and would shift over? harris: right. >> i don't know if that is going

to happen. harris: heard donald trump talk specifically to them in his victory speech. >> i think donald trump will have to articulate the message about the economy better. he will haveappeal to the little people. bernie sanders is leader of a movement much the same way barack obama was. he appealed to young people. free college, free this, free that. he has this idea where he is able to articulate he is protecting the middle class. there are a whole bunch of people out there struggling, not at top, he wants to enable to rise. >> that is the trump message by the way. >> it is. that is not what is hits home to those people. donald trump needs to go out to talk about, look, i want you to keep more of hard-earned cash. i want to find a job, and keep the money not hand it back to the government to be used inefficiently. will it be hard? absolutely. harris: we'll keep our eyes peeled to see if bernie sanders steps tote microphone after meeting with president obama. i want debbie to go! >> that would be amazing. harris: when it happens we'll

cover it. sandra: all right. hillary clinton and donald trump ramping up attacks against each other. the former secretary of state making some harsh accusations the way the presumptive gop nominee has gone after judges, media and his opponents, telling the associated press, it's classic behavior by a demagogue. we've seen it many places and times in the world and that's why i think it is so dangerous. clinton's also planning a speech to go after trump for his economic policies soon. while he says he is preparing to deliver remarks about the clintons as soon as monday but "politico" report some republicans are concerned if he goes after their personal lives, it could undermined the case many made against hillary clinton that her e-mails and benghazi scandal make her unfit to be president. here is trump on "hannity" last night. >> she was a disaster. she doesn't have temperment. she doesn't have a lot of things to be president, frankly good

judgment. her judgment is horrible. she doesn't have the judgment, good judgment to be president. sandra: we have money couple on the couch today. david asman, hillary clinton says she is planning this economic attack, a speech against donald trump. >> right. sandra: where does she go with that? >> well, she will probably go on issues of trade. she will probably say he will cause a trade war, et cetera but she is in a difficult position because trade, as we were just talking with bernie sanders is one thing that unites both the sanders supporters and trump supporters. they're against it.hink trade ds made or supported, whether nafta which her husband was one who signed into law or tpp. sandra: she is also expected to go after him on taxes as well. >> bottom line, who's speech will you remember? donald trump talking about what makes "crooked hillary" crooked or hillary clinton with another boring policy speech? i think you will remember what trump says. sandra: melissa, should donald trump as he has been warned

staying away on attack clintons and '90s and personal liveslist and struggles. >> one thing hard to make stick to the clintons everybody knows it, they turned politics into cash machine. who dislike them know that but for whatever reason it doesn't seem to have a huge impact on the margin of voters. and i think donald trump does a really good job putting that label on them and keeping it there. that is what he is going to try and do. hillary clinton hits back with the idea that he is demagogue. i like to write in my spare time. i think is interesting choice of word. elitist thing to say when she calls someone else a demagogue, i'm not sure how many people out there listening can define it. she makes his argument and he is guilty of demagoguery. everybody says, what? sound like elitist she is. sandra: that's a fair point. jedediah, we have to assume we're getting glimpse of general election, how ugly between the exchanges between donald trump and clinton get? >> it will be great tv but it

will be really ugly. i think he should do something really revolutionary and go positive. >> no way! >> not about her obvious but about his own agenda. i honestly feel people are starving because of -- sandra: by saying that are you saying his hess imagine is not positive. >> you can go after her, should go after her policy and record and counter it what your positive message. don't tell me why they shouldn't vote for hillary clinton. tell meme how you will make america again. why should i believe in you. get people excited to go vote for you. i shouldn't vote against this person. john mccain didn't do it, mitt romney, didn't do it. about time somebody did it. harris: he started this with making america first with the tapestry of politics over the economy. sandra: as hillary clinton

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harris: fox news alert. bernie sanders, president obama, inside of the white house still. it has been a little bit. we had expected at least some movement by now according to the schedule we had seen but here's the deal. they're still in the white house. there is a bank off to the left of your screen of microphones. should senator sanders come out to want to say anything he can step up to those mics. we know he has a event planned later tonight. if they were talking about him pulling out of the race, would he do it now, do later, they're talking about it.

we'll watch for it as it happens and take you there live. sandra: >> we know hillary clinton's rival for the white house is donald trump but there are actual questions what could be the biggest challenge with voters. watch. >> it is possible that your biggest open obstacle is not your opponent but yourself. 52% of the american people who participated in our "cbs news poll" have an unfavorable opinion of you. that is the highest negative impression of anyone ever nominated by the democratic party since we started asking that question in 1984. do you bear any responsibility for that? >> oh, i'm sure i do but i think, when i was secretary of state and serving your country i had an approval rating of 66%, and i think it is fair to ask well, what's happened? and what's happened is tens of millions of dollars of negative advertising and coverage that has been sent my way. i understand that.

and i know that it is up to me to take this base that i have built and expand it by reaching out to senator sanders supporters, to many others across our country, including i hope republicans and independents. >> uh-huh. harris, did you hear that? she believed ad dollars and she said coverage, that is the media, it is always the damn media's fault. it is always us. harris: she tried to put us behind ropes and everything she can do. sandra and i will have to chase her down on inline skates to do another news conference after a six-month wait. you see scott pelley, he put on his i can see through everything glasses because you will have to. come on, everything is about the tens of millions of dollars just been spent recently? that's not really possible. that is not plausible. i don't know anybody who would believe the trouble only started now when you saw her campaign early on start, start, restart,

start, reimage. start, repackage. why do you think they're doing that? >> in that interview with bret baier he pointed out the fact that 65% of the country thinks that we are on the wrong track. only 26% say we're on the right track. she said we need more good jobs with good income. small business is not being created. he said, great what would you do that is different from what the current president is doing. she stamp herred. she -- stammered, she halted. finally david she wanted to focus on infrastructure and green jobs. that is different from president obama. >> not only is it not different from president obama we've seen how good has it done. we've seen jobs lost in the coal industry. she wants to apply that to fossil fuels. tens of thousands of jobs in coal. how many millions of jobs we'll lose? problem with hillary clinton, "wall street journal" had big write up in the "wall street journal."

people say she is not genuine. is it hillary clinton of saul alinsky days when she was young? is she bill clinton type of democrat who is more spencable? is she a bernie sanders kind of democrat because she has been running that way recently? nobody knows. donald trump is american original. we're talking about muhammad ali. we have the funeral coming up for him. he is american original. she is not original. sandra: remember the keystone pipeline? as secretary of state she would be inclined to approve keystone pipeline. unintense from bernie sanders she flip-flopped. let me challenge this for a second, jedediah, is it okay as a candidate, a lot of flip-flops changing of her views happened before she was hillary clinton, the presidential candidate. is it okay for a candidate or somebody who is planning on running to evolve and change? >> i would say yes. that will be a heart point for republicans to pick hundred

other too because donald trump evolved on number of issues. mitt romney, there was a website two sides of mitt romney. go down from every single issue, abortion whatever it was, you can see him being on both sides that will be a tough point for republicans to make. i think she is not genuine. i think the bigger point she is terrible at this. she knows it. she is a terrible politician. i don't like with politicians blame the media, often times the politicians can't defend themselves and do that. why is that? because they are a terrible politician. in her defense, what would she say to cbs, i'm a terrible politician. i can't prove to you i'm a real person that i care about issues? that is the truth. sandra: look at her in the interview with scott pelley and interview she did with bret baier, there is so much stammering and halting searching for words. not like the questions were surprising. i mean some of them were tough -- harris: for her they are? >> surprising? harris: for her they are the media and her view perhaps

because she was first lady and are supposed to capitulate. they're not supposed to be, you know, yeah, they're not supposed to challenge her. it is not supposed to be bristling. she would not sit down for longest time with fox, now she is. >> can i ask a provocative question for women? harris: she knows she will get tough questions from bret baier, right? maybe she didn't anticipate them from scott pelley. maybe that is why he put on those gorgeous glasses so he could readily her. this is coming. i'm looking at my notes. get ready. david, i love you, go on. >> i was going to say she tried at the beginning of campaign woman excuse for some reasons she was getting beat up. i know a lot of people who would like to vote for me because they can't because i'm a woman. i haven't met those people but she claims to have. seems to be falling flat. am i wrong on that? people point to people like

maggie thatcher from getting elected and reelected in england 30 years ago no. >> it makes us look like we need special treatment. you can't be tough on me because i'm a woman. any woman with self respect will have problem that goes across the political spectrum. >> amen. sandra: you're smiling. sandra: go back to the initial point on the conversation her views on the economy. you talk about how she is playing woman card. she has gone from that saying her husband will fix the economy >> secretary of state john kerry ordering the state department to reexamine how a video of a 2013 press conference was censored to remove a cents tiff discussion about the iran -- sensitive discussion about the iran nuclear deal. why they didn't get to the bottom of this the first go round and whether an outside group should take over the probe. home, car, life insurance obviously, ohhh...

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harris: new fallout in the scandal over the state department caught editing a press briefing video about the iran nuclear deal. secretary of state john kerry is now ordering the department to reopen the investigation. this after a spokesman said last week the probe had hit a dead end. turns out the agency only had interviewed one person, and never looked for email evidence of anyone who may have been responsible. part of that 2013 press briefing went missing from the agency's youtube channel, the part where state department spokeswoman essentially admitted officials might sometimes mislead the public to achieve their goals. does that mean lie? anyway, at first the state department blamed it on a glitch before it revealed a video tech was asked to make that he had it. secretary kerry said last week, sandra, that this was stupid and inappropriate. representative jason chaffetz was with us this week and he told us that, look, if the secretary really feels like that he needs to come on board, talk

to the oversight committee in the house and start an investigation. sandra: look, even if this is just for appearance, they have to make it look like they are on this and that they are going to dig deeper, but right now toner is saying they should be able to solve this mystery eventually. okay, interviewing one person will not get you there. a whole lot more needs to be done here, wouldn't you agree, david? >> absolutely. can we say bravo to james rosen. harris: yes, sir, we ought to say that. >> asking the question at this presser, then finding out they erased the tape. he has done an extraordinary job. it has gotten the attention of the secretary of state. this was in 2013, the original press conference. that is the year that secretary kerry became secretary of state. there is a question as to what his involvement was, if any, in the erasing of the tape because he was the man in charge at the time of this presser. so how can a person in charge of agency that made a mistake investigate that? there are a lot of questions

about who is going to investigate but we've got to find out who ordered the erasing. harris: just to put this into context, in case people are tuning in and out, don't know why this is important. this isn't like a little edit, katie couric style where you add in some silence to make it looks like something happened with the gun people that didn't happen. >> whoa. harris: it is not like that which she apologized for. this is scrubbing the public record. that is why it is important. jedediah, they have to get this right, i don't know, john kerry sounding like a man who may want to run for president again some day. >> this looks terrible. there is a lot of media pressure. a lot of reporters, left, right and center picked up on it immediately. this is stunning what they think they can get away with it. somebody thought they would delete very important information from the public record, no one would ask questions? of course we were. people would remember what actually happened there and wonder what happened to them. this is one of the situations where we might get an answer, because it is a probably a low-level person involved here.

that they can shift accountability towards. i think that may be thousand this works out. >> can i speak to that quickly. harris: i hope you do. >> before they said, you know they have hit a dead end and they tried to slough it off with that because that is very funny and that doesn't make any sense. spokesman mark toner said, the technician made he had it does know the gender of person who called. >> we can eliminate a few people. >> they know the gender. so we're circling in on it. you know the gender of the person? harris: how many people we're talking about. not like they have to interview thousands of people. >> it would take 300 people. sandra: initially i said why can't we interview 300 people? they know the gender involved. you can eliminate a few people. in response they would not get into that farce male or female. harris: shift gears what is happening right now. fox news alert. we have been given a two minute warning that someone may come out of the white house and step to the microphones. now we know a couple of things

are going on. president obama, bernie sanders are inside talking. you know, bernie had a night of defeat on tuesday night. hillary clinton, clinching the nomination with a number of delegates that she needed as she marchs forward to lead the democrats, now as we watch, let's see what will happen. will he talk? i will stop talking. >> thank you all. let me begin by thanking president obama and thanking vice president biden for the degree of impartiality they established during the course of this entire process, what they said in the beginning, is a that they would not put their thumb on the scales and in fact they kept their word. i appreciate that very, very much. our campaign has been about building a movement which brings working people and young people into the political process, to create a government which represents all of us, and not

just a handful of wealthy campaign contributors. we will continue doing everything that we can to oppose the drift which currently exists toward an oligarchic form of society where a handful of billionaires, exercise enormous power over our political, economic and media life. this is the wealthiest nation in the history of the world. we should not be having millions of senior citizens and disabled veterans struggling to put food on the table because of inadequate social security benefits. we should not have the highest rate of childhood poverty of almost any major country on earth. we should not be having americans in inner-cities, in rural communities, on

native-american reservations, who have life expectancies lower than many people in third world countries. we should not be having many of our young people leaving college deeply in debt.

. >> the state of very month i which i represent has about the same number of residents, that washington, d.c. has, except we have two united states senators, have two united states senators, kong man with rights while d.c. does not. that does not make any sense. i look forward to full counting of votes in california which i suspect will show a much closer vote than the current vote tally i spoke briefly to secretary clinton on tuesday night. and i congratulated her on her

very strong campaign. i look forward to meeting with her in the near future. to see how we can work together to defeat donald trump and to create a government which represents all of us and not just the 1%. thank you very much. harris: all right, so that was filled with nuggets of information from the vermont senator bernie sanders, who had met for quite some time with president obama this morning. we were not led to believe one thing or the other, whether he would drop out of the race at this point, but we knew there would be message delivered a la the house minority speaker, or house minority leader i should say, nancy pelosi, who had said bernie knows what is on the line. he will not be treated differently than any other candidate. my question is, david, quote, i of course will be competed -- competing in the d.c. primary next tuesday.

is this a loss for president? he couldn't convince bernie to drop out? >> i don't know a loss for president obama but a loss for the establishment saying i want to quit the race. harris: isn't it loss for democratic establishment? >> i'm not so sure. i appreciate how president obama has not tipped his hat in all this, not tipped his hand. harris: but he has. he said he will endorse hillary clinton? >> still the point is, the president had a lot of power, the president of the united states has enormous power could have brought to bear. i'm wondering if he brought all that power. sandra: >> i totally disagree? i think that is bernie sanders saying stick it. he came out, delivered the same message -- >> to the president of the united states? >> no, to everyone. he had the microphone. he was standing at white house. i will not stand by to have this country be ruled by oligarchs. talking about people with money and power. that is hillary clinton and the

clintons as well as donald trump. sandra: he directly targeted him. i will work as hard as i can to make sure trump does not become the president of the united states. he said a trump presidency would be a quote disaster. trump makes bigotry and discrimination a corner stone of his campaign. he made a point that he called an congratulated hillary clinton on a good campaign. harris: you were making a note at that point, sandra. what stuck out to you? sandra: the fact he called hillary clinton? that speech, everybody was saying this is night for history. hillary clinton first female to be nominee of her party and he didn't say much at all. but he was telling just now that he did call her. harris: so, jedediah, the last time i saw or heard anything like this, was vice president joe biden when he didn't want to get out of the race. i think he stood in the very spot. >> i think there is a plan here. they need bernie sanders. they absolutely need him. if hillary clinton were smart, i'm not in the business of

advising her, if i were that is her vice president right there. that is the candidate. that is a ticket very difficult to beat. then you have hillary clinton at top, some view as very accomplished and she brings establishment with her and you have bernie sanders at bottom, who has appealed to a lot of young people, a lot of academics who have that barack obama appeal. harris: we talked about that with the president? >> i think there is a plan behind closed doors here, absolutely 100%. i would be very -- harris: in her off time, jedediah wears like superhero outfits. >> you know. i could have zoomed over there, climbed a wall over here. you don't know what happened with me. harris: based on facts we know right now, how in the world would that work with independents? you have a socialist on the ticket? >> by the way have very old ticket. not to say that bernie sanders hasn't attract a lot of young people. >> be nice. >> that is a pretty old ticket. what is he, 73, 74? harris: there are no people who are left in their 50s. >> i think it is just skews so

far to the left that, a lot of independents, remember 1/3 of the american public is independent. i don't don't know if they would go socialist. >> i don't know if they hear that word. when you say socialist, they don't have that negative connotation. >> not young people, 2/3 of the public are not not camp. half of democrats. harris: we don't know who trump will pick for vice president. sandra: when you're adding up ages you can't add up the other ticket, right? harris: pitch to independents. we don't know who that will be. >> very interesting. it is getting really interesting. this happened again. katie couric facing new accusations misleading viewers in another one of her films. what this says about the mainstream media or at least katie couric. we'll talk about. can a toothpaste do everything well?

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♪ sandra: once again a katie couric documentary accused misleading viewers with deceptive editing. the 2014 film, "fed up." focused on obesity in the film industry is the second movie she was involved with to be hit with such complaints. two people interviewed for the film say their answers were edited to make them look bad. watch the clip. >> one question you might add sugary beverages contribute more so than other calories. that is challenging question. >> let me ask you that. do they. >> there is good question. there is reasons to believe they might. i don't think the evidence is quite clear. >> what would be the science behind that? >> well the ideal study might be, requiring people to, excuse me. let me start again on that. let me get my thoughts together. >> okay.

sugar beverage consumption producing diabetes and just ridiculous to think otherwise. research shows it to be the case. sandra: all right. the doctor in that scene told his side of the story this morning, on "fox & friends." >> at the beginning of the interview miss couric made it clear to me as it common practice standard in taped interviews if at any point something didn't come out quite right i needed to go back over something to make it clear, stumbled on my words, go back and we'll redo that. she made it clear to me i should try to speak in terms people who are not trained scientist was understand. when i got to that moment, and she was interrupting me and asking me to convey the scientific evidence and what would that be i wanted to carefully choose my words. i gave a very clear answer after that pause. sandra: wow, all that after couric recently apologized for the way her most recent film, "under the gun" was edited some

say in misleading way. we reach you had out to the production company about the latest accusations of the we have yet to hear back. we watched the doctor, stop, regather his thoughts, as she said you can do, but then she and the production company edited those in. >> this is why people hate the media. you don't want to trick somebody looking bad. that seems to be this woman's technique. she used this sneaky technique before. there seems to be a pattern here. sandra: wow. jedediah. >> seems to me it is clear she is trying, trying to embarass people to further an agenda. this is twice now. do it once, someone forgives you. this is pattern of behavior, you're out. sandra: irresponsible journalism? >> i've done taped interviews with people who are green at it, or nervous, if you don't like the way we answered the question, we can do it again. >> you've done that with me. >> you don't tell them you will do that and use it. people who aren't used to being on television i'm trying to make them uncomfortable this is

gotcha interview, if it's a gotcha interview, when you're on, gotcha. she played it both ways. >> there is clearly a trend, harris, not once, but twice. harris: you play like you practice. i'm waiting for a third. this is how she is going to be remembered. that was a long illustrious career. it is done. sandra: as harris says, gop the mic. more "outnumbered" in just a minute. we'll be right back.

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>> growing backlash over a judge's decision to give a star swimmer in stanford a six-month sentence raping a unconscious woman. brock turner's letter coming forward. he said i was shattered by party culture and risk-taking behavior i briefly experienced in my four months ever school. i can impact and change people's attitudes towards the culture surrounded by binge drinking and sexual promiscuitity. what do you think of that blame game there? what is it your reaction. harris: i wishing i were shocked by it. i mean, seems like built-in reflexive move on his part. where is the outcry now, right? >> i would give him such a reflexive move.

talk about reflexive move. this guy should be in jail for a long time. he should be a message to all of the young boys out there, you do not cross that line. i just, makes me so furious. harris: does the judge regret his decision is what i would like to ask the judge? >> maybe. i think this has nothing to do with drinking. insults me makes it about drinking. this girl was totally unconscious. you read account of, she didn't move at all. she was so unconscious they wanted to make sure she was alive. one. men started crying. because of state she was in. this was very violent crime. this was not about being too drunk to know what you're doing. this buy is dangerous, very dangerous. sandra: i thought about one of the people on his bike, doctoral student who drove by and witnessed this happening he was on the with greta last night, what a moving story to hear him

speak about it. you can imagine emotion they were overcome with in the moment. sit down, read her, the victim's 700 word statement. >> 7,000. sandra: 7,000. i did yesterday. it's moving. and, it is going to ininfluence a lot of these cases i believe going forward. >> no sense of personal responsibility. blame the drinking. blame the culture. you know what i could throw a lot of people into that culture and they wouldn't do that. speak to character, who you are, take some responsibility. that should be a message and takeaway. harris: david asman a pleasure to have you along. >> on that note. harris: thank you. >> fun hour. harris: as we move ahead. we'll go into the commercial break. see you online foxnews.com during the commercial break. "happening now" after this. after a long day,

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