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tomorrow. again, thanks for watching us today. i'm bill o'reilly and always remember that the spin stops right here. we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, the feds are looking at the possibility of an accomplice now as they chase down hundreds of leads in the orlando nightclub massacre trying to determine if the man behind our nation's worst terror attack since 9/11 had any help. welcome to t"the kelly file." i'm megyn kelly from orlando. a mad man bust into a well known orlando nightclub and opened fiefrmt fox news has learned that authorities are now looking for direct evidence that omar mateen may have scouted out other locations for his ram pain including an area known as
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disney springs at the walt disney resort. a "people" magazine source told us omar's wife said he did scout that area. it's still unclear whether that's true. however, disney world tells us they have increased skecurity. we're getting details from inside, those who survived and those who know those who did not. one of those killed, 25-year-old amanda alvear. it shows her having a good time and ends with her mouthing the word "shooting." >> i'm at the club. i'm at the club.
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>> that's hard to watch. a young life cut tragically short. another man, norman shot four times survive. he hid out in the bathroom. watch. >> reporter: when you were in the stall, what were you hearing? what did you see? >> inside the staal i saw everyone's face, genuine fear, just terrified. no one was doing a lot of talking. we were trying to be quiet so he wouldn't find us. outside you could just hear bullet after bullet after bullet after bullet just going off as it got closer and closer to our stall. >> did you hear this terrorist saying anything? >> he never spoke when i was there. he laugh when he was shooting inside of the stall.
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>> reporter: was he laughing a lot? >> it was like a laugh of like satisfaction like i'm getting done what i came here to do. it's imprinted in my head forever. >> reporter: how are you feeling? where were you shot? >> i was shot four times, twice on my side right here and then twice on the opposite side, and i'm just -- i'm in pain, i'm ready go home and relax and try to -- not forget but put it in the back of my head at least for a few hours. >> tonight there are also questions about how authorities handled the rampage given the three-hour window between the first shot and when the s.w.a.t. team actually rammed the building. busting out holes for the hostages to escape through. and then the terrorist escaped
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through one of those very holes, guns ablazing and part of what occurred was caught on video here. watch. we have a huge show lined up for you tonight starting with trace gallagher on what the terrorist's family is now saying. trace? >> megyn, his father says he does not believe he was rad kazzi kazzi callized. he has been widely quoted as saying god will punish those involved in homosexuality. but a short while ago he said while god says marriage is between a man and a woman, he has nothing against homosexuals. listen. >> it's a free country, freedom of choice. anyone lives the way they like, more than welcome. who am i to approve or
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disapprove. >> he talks about how great americans are but he speaks out against america and in favor of the taliban who he call, quote, our warrior brothers. when we questioned him about that, he reversed it calls the taliban the terrorists. and we asked him if he ever talked to his son about shari'a law. watch. >> that means you're to promote good behavior, serving people. that's why i'm out to say to the whole people that what my son did was the wrong act. >> clearly different story. and atz for the killer's first wife saying she left him because he beat her repeatedly, siddique
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mateen said she never came to him for help. noor zahi salman said omar had been scouting disney springs and now we're getting our first look inside the shooter's home, which appears normal. couches, tv, cartoon character, even a hello kittsy clock and a wall of family pictures. no signs of a tell tear terror and the hatred within. megyn? >> it's incredible to see as he took the lives of 49 others with families of their own. thank you. joining us judge andrew napolitano. what do you make of it, judge? >> the fbi put us into an am big
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was situation. we know he was employed by a security contractor, one of whose principle clients was the federal government of the united states and when they have that kind of relationship, they're required to perform certain background checks which at a minimum ask about contacts with the f bbi. so there was a breakdown. stated differently, had they communicated, it's extremely unlikely he would have been found suitable to have the licenses necessary to carry the military hardware that he brought into the building that night. >> and on top of that we know the authorities have been scouring his apartment looking at his electronics. i'm sure they're looking at his devices and anything else he had and now they're coming on the record and saying they're
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looking for other polices a acc and see if there are others. >> it's their civic duty to see if there are confederates. fit's derived from the constitution itself, i don't doubt for a moment that there are hundreds of fbi agents not far from where you are now looking for every tidbit and evidence piece of evidence they can to know about him. >> quick question. he had two wives, ex-wife and one he married. they say he had scouted other locations including this disney springs. could she be in trouble? i didn't hear that she went to authorities and told them about this prior to the event. >> she's certainly a person of interest the fbi would want to talk to. if you held this back, what else do you know? we need to know everything you know because we're putting the
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pieces of the puzzle together. >> judge, good to see you. >> thank you. we're also getting new information about omar mateen including those who knew him personally, including a high school teammate who was with him on september 11th, 2001, when they were in the ninth grade. he said omar mateen celebrated and lafd on that day. he joins me now along with co-worker dan gilroy. good to have you both with me here. thank you. dan, i want to ask you because you worked with him relatively recently. when did you work torkt? >> march 2014 to march 2015 approximately. >> in that time frame how often was it you heard him make bigoted remarks? >> any time i saw him. half hour, an hour to shift change, it was only him and i. he made horrible statements every time i saw him.
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>> did you go to the boss or how soon? >> it took me about eight months before i went to the boss. >> why? >> i wanted to make the job work, i wanted to keep the peace, i wanted to not be the troublemaker at work, and after realizing this gentleman had some serious issues, i went to the company. >> did they fire him? >> no. >> you quit. >> yes. >> why? >> because after four months of asking for a transfer to get away from him, they simply were dragging their feet and not complying and double talk. >> why do you think that is? >> they actually said it was for financial reasons, they didn't want to have to train two people. >> so when you heard the news, you were not surprised? >> no, not at all. >> robert, you knew omar mateen when you were in high school, ninth grandparents' day togetth. you heard the remarks he made on the day of attack.
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tell me what you heard. >> i rode the bus with him. when he got on the school bus, he would act like a plane, hold his arms out and make plane noises and when he got to his feet, he would make an explosion type of sound and fall into his seat. on that day he fell into his street and made screaming-type noises and laughing about it like it was a big joke. >> were there any religious referen references? >> on that day, not that i can remember, no. >> didn't mention allah or any of the terms that we've come to understand. >> not to me personally, no, i don't believe he mentioned allah or anything of that nature. not to me anyway. >> did you believe he -- did you believe he might have been a kid horsing around? did you think there was anything more to it? >> i thought so back then. yeah, i thought like maybe he
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was trying to gain friends or trying to make himself more popular maybe because he really didn't have a lot of friends in high school as far as i knew, but my friends and i kind of didn't really take it for granted. we kind of joked around like, man, this kid might grow up one day and be one of those people. that's why i was shocked find out it was somebody i knew but at the same time i wasn't because we spoke about this in high school. >> somebody else in your classroom said the same thing, said they made similar references. what happened to him? was this reported up the line? >> i don't really know -- i nojt know what happened. like i say, maybe he was trying to impress people, make people mad, but he definitely made my whole school bus mad. >> and i'll ask you as well whether you ever heard any religious references or whether it was all bigoted remarks or
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sexist remarks. >> our conversations weren't. but he'd brick a prayer mat and neil down and make gees turs and kiss and put on a hat. he did that for about ten minutes. he was a devout muslim. >> a devout muslim making several bigoted remarks at a time we know the police were looking into this man. thank you very much for being here, both of you. as you just heard his former classmate said early warning signs pointed to trouble with this man. but his faerks hther, his imam, ex-wife say he showed no signs of radicalism. so which is it? thank you so much for being here
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tonight. the father, you know, coming out and saying, i condemn this, i have no sympathy for him and trust me when i tell you this had nothing to do with religion and he was not radicalized, what do you make of it? >> one would think the father is afraid he might get charged himself. this is why i don't like using the term lone wolf. we know from our own empirical studies and also anecdotally, those attacks are rarely alone even if they're not operationally directed by group, they're not ideologically linked. clearly his father sympathizes with jihadism or he wouldn't have praised the taliban. >> the fact that he comes out as
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a 14-year-old and celebrated on 9/11, that's not something a kid does. that's got to be learned. >> of course. there's an atmosphere. people that celebrate death over 3,000 people must find encouragement to do fwhaus it's not normal behavior. he's not getting that from his clatmates. we heard from them. there's an atmosphere that must have moved him that found that the death of 3,000 people over 15 years ago was something to laugh about and he's continued that ever since. >> but his imam comes out and says, he was very pro-american, he was a cop, a security guard. he said something along the lines of we thought he was more aligned with you than with us. your thoughts. >> yeah rk, megyn, look. we're constantly looking for the wrong signs of radicalization. let's not forget the possible
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9/11 hijackers were found in bars and strip clubs. let's not forget that the san bernardino ataerks were also government employees. in fact, with these other examples that i mentioned, the one commonality they all share is these are people who worked in inconspicuous circumstances and then turned their guns on their own colleagues, and in this instance we know omar mateen freaked the pulse nightclub himself. perhaps he had those ten decies or was scouting it out for himself. we know that these jihadists have attacked areas that they're familiar with, either where they worked or visited. it's no surprise because that's exactly what jihadists do through their self-starter manuals. that's exactly what they instruct their followers to do. >> what do you make of the
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history of the wive, one said she was abused badly shortly after they got married and the second telling police she knew he was scouting locations. >> my sympathy goes to the first wife. when you're a homophone, you're a misogynic, when you're an extremist, you're a wife beater. they take medieval attitudes to religion and with women. i extend my solidarity to her. she must have suffered. the second wife, however, bears a responsibility. whelp she found that her then husband was scouting areas for attack, that's what she confessed to, it was her loyal patriotic duty to report that. in fact, people who report such things whether it's of their husbands, siblings or friends, they give muslims like me and everyone else bad nachlt
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it was her duty to report that the minute she became aware of it. >> thank you so much, sir. great to see you tonight. >> thank you. pleasure. well, also tonight, some critics are suggesting that the orlando s.w.a.t. team waited too long to move in. they're coming under fire this evening for the three-hour delay before they went in. mark furman is here on that. plus former cia director james wolfcy is here. first we have james calendar, on why he thinks the feds are in over their heads here. he's next. don't go away. >> our work is very challenging. we're looking for needles in a nationwide haystack, but we're also called upon to figure out which pieces of hay are which pieces of hay are nightles
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>> our investigation involved introducing confidential sources to him, recording conversations with him, following him, reviewing transactional records from his communications, and searching all of government holdings for any possible connections, any possible derogatory information. we then interviewed him twice. the killer's name surfaced again in an indirect way. our miami office was investigating the florida man who had blown himself up for the nisra front. and he knew him casually from attending the same mosque but we turned up no ties between the two of them. we will work all day and all night to understand the path from that terrible night. we're going to look hard at our own work to see if we could have done something differently. so far the honest answer is i don't think so. >> this is at the time he's working as a security against
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according to our guest at the top of the hour. fbi investigating him, meeting with him, doing all this stuff when at the same time he's worki working as a guard. pivot we go to our chief intelligence correspondent katherine live. >> it was a critical period after the fbi investigation concluded in march. the men went to the same central florida mosque. asked if anyone else was radicalizing a witness identified omar mateen to the fbi and claimed he was watching videos of anwar al awlaki. the cleric lived a double life, and this mugshot comes from a san diego arrest for prostitution. reading aal a aal his sermons.
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this is what they were watching before they kill 14d last december. the cz major nadal ha son exchanged e-mails with the clerk before opening fire. today a leading democrat said the bar was high in the orlando case. >> if there wasn't evidence of material support for terrorism, if there weren't over acts and supported conspiracy, if there wasn't evidence that an actual crime that was committed, they were not in a position to arrest the suspect. >> the new evidence that mateen was directed by a foreign terrorist group, but this in so many ways is an old-fashioned concept. you don't need a phone call or text because they give you standing order to act. isis says do it wherever you are
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and if you do it in our name, we'll claim you as a soldier of the caliphate, megmegyn. >> it's unbelievable. thank you. joining me now the former assistant director in charge of the fbi and a senior counterterrorism adviser after september 11th. here we are again and this guy's watching al awlaki videos. the fb i says there's no there there. your thoughts on it. >> i've known jim comey a long time. he's a good man. of course, i know the fbi. i know the agents, support people, the analysts. they're all good people. they don't want anything like this to ever happen. but, megyn, they're weighed down with this wet blanket of political correctness, number one. their training manual has been deleted of all words that were objectionable to the people,
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so-called educated people of the national security council and the white house. they don't have the resources to keep up. why that case was not flagged to stop him from getting weapons, why it was not flagged, why he wasn't on a no fly list, i don't know the answers to that. this terrorist task force is around the united states. you know, i spent 4 1/2 years with governor pataki to get every police force in new york state from a four-man force to the biggest in the state to be tied into the task force even if they weren't in their jurisdictions. >> that's one of the questions, isn't it, jim? whether they were inform. you guys have to keep an eye on it. >> i don't know. i don't know if port st. lucie
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had a clue. these things should never, in my view, never be closed. they should have some sort of activity. but director comey talks about hundreds of cases around the states. i can tell you, megyn. i can tell the people watching the show, i was instru mental -- not bragging but instrumental in setting up the surveillance both technical and physical. they cannot keep up -- i'm not going go into great detail but they can't keep up with the number of cases that deserve surveillance. >> right. you can't do 24/7 surveillance on all these people. >> no, you can't. and the hoops they have to jump through, sometimes which are, you know, just a private citizen could do things the fbi can't do. crazy. you know, i saw all these congressmen today, you know, in
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a moment of silence on the stones. the hypocrisy. they've done nothing to make the fbi's job easier. i'm sure they've tried, but nothing has happened. you know, i can't say enough about -- at 50,000 feet, you know, you've got people associated with the administration in the muslim brotherhood. you've got high ranging people in the muslim brotherhood. you've got monies from saudi arabia and the other from qatar and others going into the clinton foundation, and you've got this connection going on and there are also connections with iran, which is the other big supporter. the saudi arabian government -- >> i want to say for the record, though, jim, i realize you ran the surveillance program for two
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decades but those facts are in dispute. i'm not taking a position on it. i want for the record the viewers the know there are controversial claims and there's been pushback on the voracity. i want to ask you about loretta lynch -- i understand it's your opinion. i want to make sure the viewers understand it's opinion and controversial. you have -- it's not an opinion. >> you've got loretta lynch out there -- go ahead. >> yeah. loretta lynch soon after the last one before this out in california, you know, came out with this statement about how they were going to prosecute people that said bad things about muslims. >> anti-muslim rhetoric. she said the doj will take action against anti-muslim red
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lick or violent talk. >> what about violent talk from black lives matter talking about roast i roasting cops on a spit. we need to go to the next dimension, megyn. >> understand, i understand. you know, but the truth is -- >> it's a matter of public -- >> to both the bush administration and obama administration have had some very controversial -- come in and advice them, clerics and others advise them on this islam problem and the record is clear on who that is. i've got to go, jim, but thank you, sir. it's always a pleasure you being here. >> yeah, okay. well t former director of the cia james wolvescy is next. plus, the gunman showed up
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mateen's mosque and spoke with the mosque'sspokesman. it's right here that the dead may shooter reported. it's where an american homicide bomber who killed hymn and others in syria last spring went to pray. the mosque spokesperson called that a coincidence and said he's in shock over the nightclub terror attack. >> it's a horrible thing. what happened to his mind, there's no explanation. as i mentioned to you, i'm shocked. i can't understand how it happened. he had a loving father. he would come here with his son. he would play with his son. he would kiss his son. he would hug his son. it never came. >> former cia director james woolsey. good to see you, sir. good to see you tonight. so the story tonight from this
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gentleman, this man was not radicalized. there were no signs of it. he went to pray four times a week. he'd pray, he'd leave, do you believe it? >> well, in san debernardino, tt couple had been to party their co-workers organized for them. there are a lot of circumstances in which i think we have radicalized people but they're playing their cards close to their vest. one just does not necessarily have with someone who's ideological and heavily driven and very committed, they can also be clever and hide their emotions, and papparently this may be what happened in this case. >> now, the fbi is taking all sorts of heat because they had this guy twice on the radar and they let him go. the thing is we have a bill of rights in this country and they say if this thing didn't rise to the level, they wish they could have done what the rest of
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america wishes they would have done. >> exactly. this is the federal bureau of investigation, not the federal bureau of protection. they can't just go out and arrest someone we have habous corpus in this country. they can't just pluck someone out of the system that they believe might do something wrong. even if they're saying crazy and emotional and jihadi things. >> even if they're watching anwar al awlaki videos. >> exactly. i think the bureau did the best it could under the circumstances it had to operate. the problem is the president and the administration for 7 1/2 years have not been even breathed the idea that we're at war. they're perfectly willing, i suppose, to let the islamists, radicals believe and function that they're at war with us, but we should not function as if we
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are at war with them. >> can you please explain that? explain why that term matters, why using the term radical islam matters because the president said that's what they want us to say. it's not important to use that language. >> i think what's crucial is to be accurate. you can't fight something effectively unless you can describe it. and this administration has been all along on -- i think on the notion that what they want to sell is the story that everything is fine, we've killed bin laden, everything else is going to work out. we can contain isis, we're getting it done. when something comes along like ben gadi that doesn't fit in the narrative as we call it, they fiddle around with it. it comes closer to the narrative. they get so far on this
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sometimes that the political correctness is ridiculous. it sounds like something coming out of ray brad bury or george orwell novel. they really lose it sometimes. >> former cia director james woolsey. thanks for being with us tonight. >> good to be with you tonight, megyn. up next, see how donald trump went nuclear with the "washington post" of their coverage of him and the terror attack. plus hillary clinton has change of heart when it comes to radical islam. watch. >> whatever we learn about this killer, his motives in the days ahead, we know already the ahead, we know already the barbarity that we face from
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presumptive nom me donald trump has banned the "washington post" from his campaign events, revoking their press credentials and accusing the paper o having no integrity. trump did not explain what caused the embargo exactly but there appears to be a headline that suggests donald trump sulgs president obama was involved with orlando shooting, a headline that referenced some trump remarks referenced earlier in the day. watch. recently just this morning on a different network you said about the president he doesn't get it or he gets it better than anybody understands. what you do mean by that? >> well, there are a lot of people who think he doesn't want to get it. a lot of people think maybe he doesn't want to know about it. i happen to think he just doesn't know what he's doing. there are many who think he doesn't want to get it, he doesn't want to see what's really happening. joining me now, katrina pierson. she's the trump campaign's spokesperson and regina. good to see you both.
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it started on an interview with "fox and friends" where trump said people can figure it out themselves what he meant when he said there's something going on. that's what he kept saying. there's something going on, something going on with barack obama when he isn't forceful in his response. i'll give it to you. >> well, look. if you're implying that the president is doing that, that's quite a statement to make. look. this is not a new thing for donald trump. he implied he didn't release his birth certificate because he could be potentially a muslim. this has been a dog whistle that's been going on for some time. now it's no longer a dog whistle. he's saying the president is m sympathetic to isil. i think it's unfair.
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this is not the cleric union. we're not russia. this cannot happen in this country where you ban an outlet you don't like. >> katrina t "washington post" later softened its headline from donald trump suggests obama was involved in the shooting to suggest president obama -- that he seemed to connect president obama to the orlando shooting and they didn't call attention to it. they said, we did it on our own. the trump campaign didn't ask us to do it, so there. >> you know, megyn, this has been going on for quite some time. mr. trump has already talked about "washington post" asigning these hits to him. this is what they do to drive traffic. it's called click bait. just because you're a media
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outfit doesn't mean you get a front row seat. he's not going to make it easy for them. to insinuate that donald trump says the president was involved with what happened in orlando is absolutely absurd and offensive. >> what did he mean, katrina, with there's something going on. >> that's what i was going to say, megyn. he's obviously right. something is going on. here we are 48 hours after the fact and even today president obama refused to even say the word islam when talking about this incident. he refused it. >> what do you mean. >> domestic terrorism. he means that something is wrong. why do we have a president that refuses to talk about the problem. we just had americans butchered, murdered, and he refuses to acknowledge the radical islamists. >> he said that. he said the reason. he said the reason, julie, which he doesn't feel the language is important, that it's going to play in the terrorists' hands.
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my question is this. your thoughts on donald trump banning the "washington post" and whether hee deserves it. >> the first time he said it, i might give him the benefit of the doubt. but when you go back to 2010, a mentoring candidate, a potential muslim, then i have to say, no, it's not something you given benefit of the doubt to because it consistently happens. whether you like the "washington post" or not, you cannot continue to ban public outlets like this. >> but this is also a president who has gone out in public speeches and said -- >> we've got to leave it at that. >> debt to islam. >> debt to islam. what does that ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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based on information we received from the suspect and from the hostages and people inside, we believe further loss of life was imminent. i made the decision to commence the rescue operation and do the explosive breach. >> well, that was the orlando police chief defending his department's decision to send in the swat teams three hours after orlando terrorist omar mateen opened fire on the pulse nightclub. while some police experts
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have suggested that the decision to wait may have cost people their lives, our next guest thinks that decision is not as simple as some would have you believe. mark fuhrman is a fox news contributor former homicide detective. some say the protocol, mark, would have been to interimmedias a risk averse swat commander. you say not so. tell us. >> well, you can't interim immediately. the shooting spree had ceased at that moment and there was silence. and then the game changer once swat and officers set up a perimeter make any kind of assessment was when the suspect called 911 and claimed that he was an isis terrorist. that is a game changer because of the possibility of ied explosive devices at the entryways, suicide vests and multiple suspects, so they had to get some kind of eyes and ears, electronic eyes and ears in the location. they had to interview some witnesses. the officer that exchanged
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fire with the suspect, they had to have some intention before they gained entry. >> so you think this is a case of monday morning quarterbacking where people just say hey, had you three hours, you should have gone in there. >> absolutely. it's monday morning quarterbacking pause these swat officers trained specifically for incidents like, this looking at paris and belgium and san bernardino and every other terrorist attack in the world that has a confined area in a civilian location with civilian hostages. can you imagine if they made entry quickly and they had a wall of hostages between them and the suspect? the suspect gets to fire, officers can't. >> this is said to be an elite squad that knows what it's doing. this gentleman making most of the criticism is firing at the chief. not so much the actual guys. mark, great to see you. thank you for your
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two nights ago more than 100 people were shot in a nightclub 300 yards up the road. half of them were taken to a hospital not far away. tonight the hospital says all those patients have a problem prognosis and appear to be improving. i'm megyn kelly. we'll see you tomorrow. [sirens] >> orlando to command, we have shots fired on scene. [gunfire] >> oh my god. they're all shooting back and for the. >> gunfire, gunfire, gunfire. [sirens] >> boom, boom, boom, three shots right in there. >> and then he was change, another ammunition. >> and then change, another ammunition. >> he said he was doing this for the leader of isil, who he named and pledged loyalty to. >> hearing the bang, bang, bang. and then when you turned around the person next to you screaming, there is blood splattering, i didn't know if it was mine or somebody else's. >> you could just hear
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