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in london, we have been dragging these colonies towards liberty. >> you asked what i need, i need -- or this war will be over before it even begins. hi, i'm eric bolling in for bill o'reilly. thanks for watching this special edition of the factor, "the war on terror, the political equation." let's get right to our top story. the war of words over who is to blame for the orlando terror attack, senator john mccain ratcheted up the fight between republicans and democrats while speaking to reporters on thursday. >> barack obama is directly responsible for because when he pulled everybody out of iraq, al
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qaeda went to syria, became isis and isis is what it is today thanks to barack obama's failures, utter failures by pulling everybody out of iraq thinking that conflicts end just because we leave. >> following outcry about his remarks senator mccain released a statement saying that, he quote, misspoke but the senator appeared defiant when pressed on the matter later on thursday. >> if the president had not pulled everybody out of iraq, you would have never seen the rise of isis, so he bears responsibility. >> so i want to be clear -- >> you want me to be clear, i'm not backtracking on anything, i'm saying that the president of the united states' actions, actions, were responsible because of the full withdrawal of troops from iraq which led then to al qaeda going to syria which led to isis and our failure to have a strategy to destroy isis has led the attacks on the united states of america
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and europe. >> meanwhile, president obama insists that united states is floating up on campaigns against terrorism. >> we will continue to be relentless against terrorist groups like isil and al qaeda we are going to destroy them. we are going to disrupt their networks and their financing. and the flow of fighters in and out of war theaters. >> joining us now to analyze from jacksonville, florida, adam goodman, the republican communications expert and from washington, naira huck, a former senior director for the obama white house. miss hawk, let's start with you, >> we'll start with this, clearly has mental health issues and easy access to an assault rifle and an ar-15.
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if you want to talk about policy issues, iraq is not in a war that obama started. i highly doubt the american public wants to see ground troops in iraq, syria and afghanistan. but if that's what mccain is suggesting, then i think he should propose sending -- he should propose an al alternative instead of blaming obama for national security failures. does he want to see american troops in syria. does he want to see american planes in syria. congress has full ability to be able to send troops or airplanes over there and that is not something that they have done yet. >> let me do this before i throw it to you, adam. thank you for starting with, he is not a terrorist. i'm not sure what you said about the other thing. you called the ar-15 an assault weapon which is not. john mccain was taking a direct shot at president obama. there are a lot who think he was right in that and then there are those who say wait a minute.
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we're not sure about syrian policy what we should be doing. maybe mccain's idea of what to do in the middle east may not be the right answer, either. >> eric, let's start with this. john mccain is a true american hero. and he brings a personal perspective to this argument that i think the president frankly doesn't have. as far as the back and forth, the president is the policy. i have just learned from conversations i have had directly with federal law enforcement officials i have had, eric, going back to the very beginning of the obama administration, there was a directive to scrub training manuals for the fbi to. scrub them of any references to any groups that may be considered offensive in the world of political correctness. one of those terms was radical islamic terrorist. if we're not willing to call the threat for what it is, my opinion is, we're doing very little to stop it. >> uh-huh. and ms. haq, one of the other terms they were told to scrub was jihadist. do we have a political correctness problem at the fbi,
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do you think? >> absolutely not. i think this is, again a red herring approach. instead of having substantive conversations about tough issues, is to say you are not using this word. you know, on a conservative side. you are not using radical islamist on the liberal side. we should only be talking about gun control. there is a whole bunch of things we need to be talking about but none of that is actually pointing fingers. it's what are you going to do. >> do you think president obama actually talked about both? you know he spent a lot of time talking about gun control right after he met with the victims of the terror. >> right. eric, the clip you just played was not just about gun control. it was actually about what the current strategy is for fighting isis, which is eliminating the network, cutting off their finances and finding them using targeted drone strikes. now, here's the challenge. if we want to do more, if we want to be able to do more militarily, congress needs to get involved. that is not something the president can do independently. so i would like to hear from people like john mccain. what would the alternative be to having more ground troops in iraq or having more ground troops in syria? >> adam, honestly, let's
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eliminate the spin here. what is the alternative? at one point john mccain was questioned as to whether it was the right idea to be with -- remember the syrian rebels, he took some pictures of the syrian rebels and people questioned were those same people, did they end up isis fighters? >> right. i think that's the conversation, eric, we have to have moving forward. let me make two points. number one is while the president reassuring us the last couple days that isis once again was on control and on the run his own cia director brennan contradicted him saying there are new routes used by smugglers more and more utilized to bring in more into the west, into the united states, who pose threats to us. this is the result, eric, of a foreign policy under president obama that's been waivering tenttive and tepid. and i think these -- what we saw, unfortunately, here in orlando and we are very close to
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it here in jacksonville the other day is direct result to some degree of a foreign policy that hasn't worked. >> ms. haq, this terrorist, held up a gun and said allah akbar. this terrorist contacted the police and said i pledge allegiance to isis and al baghdadi the leader. this terrorist had visited saudi arabia a couple times. this terrorist studied under anwar al awlaki the state imam that the fort hood terrorist studying under and the san bernardino terrorist studying under. why are we constantly pointing the fingers at guns? president obama has done it and the left media has done it. >> i will take that in two parts. first the terrorist network and connection of isis and the sad part is as the arab coalition and the u.s. support makes gains in the middle east, isis gets desperate and has called for lone wolf attacks. >> are we making gains though? >> and this is -- >> you heard president obama take gains in the middle east and then we hear as adam points out brennan say maybe not gains.
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>> allow me to finish. >> maybe we are not making the gains we should. we have the state department internally saying maybe we are doing things wrong. >> i think everyone -- this is gone on far too long with what's happening in syria. everyone is frustrated. but there is a commonly accepted fact in intelligence circles that as you beat back isis on the ground in syria and iraq, they start to spread to europe and they start to spread to the united states. that's a separate problem. >> is that a gain? adam is, that a gain if we are pushing them back in iraq and syria yet they are more and more instances of terror right here on the homeland? >> eric, just ask anybody who lives in orlando today. the answer to that is no. we don't feel safe. we don't feel secure. we even had the homeland security director say recently that the people coming in, they don't really know enough about them to be able to give us assurances. this is a time where we have to open dialogue and conversation as americans to get an answer, and the answer is not being unwilling to call this for what
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it is, islamic radical terrorism. >> i think a big part of the answer is now that it's coming to american homeland, it's not make it easy for people to get ar-15s or any other weapons. >> oh stop. >> absolutely. >> we had such a nice segment going too. another segment and another time. thank you very much. next on the rundown, does president obama know how to fight the war on terror? there is now a major dissent from state department officials and a disturbing warning from the head of the cia. right back with that. i love my shop, but my back pain was making it hard to sleep and open up on time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. now i'm back. aleve pm for a better am.
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richard engle, chief foreign correspondent, is in istanbul this morning. richard, this seems quite uch a break with the president from his own administration. >> i think it expresses the deep frustration even within the current state department about the current u.s. policy in syria. don't forget, 400,000 people have been killed in this five year conflict. >> well, that follows an amazing contrast between president obama and cia director john brennan over where things stand with isis. >> isil is under more pressure than ever before. isil continues to lose key leaders. >> our efforts have not reduced the group's terrorism capability and global reach. the resources needed for terrorism are very modest. and the group would have to suffer even heavier losses on territory, manpower, and money for its terrorist capacity to decline significantly. >> joining us now to analyze from washington, david, a former
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state department official and with us in studio, ryan morrow of the clarion project. david, you saw it right there, president obama says one thing and john brennan says another. on several occasions with regard to syria. now within the state department. some 50 people signed a memo saying our syria policy is all messed up. he doesn't know what he is doing. >> well, i don't see a disagreement between obama and brennan. >> really? you don't see a disagreement? >> no. there is not a disagreement. >> president obama says let's bring more refugees and brennan says by the way this refugee program isis fighters may actually be coming into that program for one? >> what president obama is say something true. which is we are making progress against isis in certain aspects. we have taken back territory. we have taken out leaders. we have reduced the number of fighters and we are making an impact on the ground, on the battle front, in iraq and syria. what brennan is saying, that doesn't mean there is still not a terrorist threat. of course there is, fighters can reach us. they are trained to try to do terrorist attacks in europe and the u.s. even more difficult to combat is
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these homegrown terrorists who are inspired by isis but may not have had any actual contact with isis like the orlando attacker. now, i do see a discrepancy between some of the folks who are now calling for air strikes against assad in syria, and the president's stated position. and that's a very interesting development. >> let's stay on this for a second. ryan, if we are fighting back, if isis is losing some geographic regions in the middle east, yet, they are stepping up the terror attacks here on the homeland, are we winning? >> i would say that we are making progress and brennan did say that. but president obama is overselling it. the problem there is that that allows isis to beat expectations. when they beat expectations and that is seen as an endorsement from allah. we need to change that. only way you change that is
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smash their sites in raqqah. smash their sites in capital in da beak. you smash them so hard they wonder why allah. taking allah's blessing away and winning the war. >> brennan having differences on president obama winning and whether the methods that isis will be attacking us. also, james comey had differences of opinion with president obama, whether or not we're wishing. he said we have over thousand open investigations on home grown terror right here. yet, president obama, you listen to him, things are going in the right direction. >> again, he didn't directly contradict the president. this is a complicated situation. the battle against isis has many fronts. there is the front in iraq and in syria. there is the home front, protecting us from terrorists. there is the capability of shutting them off from social media. so that they can't recruit new forces. and we have to look at each separately. we are making some progress. >> where? >> in iraq. >> where? >> in iraq and in syria. >> you are talking about progress being made in iraq and syria. you admit we are losing ground here with the homegrown terror going on in the united states.
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and also -- >> i have not admitted that. >> brennan did. brennan said we have a problem here. he also said we have a problem with what you just pointed out. >> brennan did not say we are being -- >> explosion of people being radicalized here in the united states within. in other words, born here and proximate causing radicalized right here. >> what brennan said was smart and wise, which is we have to continue to be vigilant here in the u.s. and we have to expect there will be more attacks. that does not contradict the president. we should be doing that. >> please, the president is simply saying we are winning and everything is fine. ryan, i'm trying to figure out where we are winning. he has a cia director telling us we have problems, the fbi director telling us we have problems. 50 people in the state department saying it's not working. who is advising this guy? >> here is how you reconcile the two positions, isis is losing territory in iraq and syria. that's very important. as brennan said it has not resulted in the reduction of their terrorist capability. that goes back to the ideology. that's why it's so important to
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identify the threat as islamism. >> you are saying you are a football team and gaining all these yards but you're never getting in the end zone and the other team is still scoring. they're still going to win the game. >> right. so it's incomplete. and that's the point i'm trying to make, it is very important to take territory away and take away that momentum so they can't claim to be successful. but if you are not going after the islamic ideology as a whole held by isis, then you're not going to get at what creates isis. you will destroy isis and they will be replaced the next day by another group. >> david, i will use the same analogy with you, we are gaining more yards on the football field but they have more touchdowns, they are winning, yet our president and coach says guess what, guys, we are winning. we're not. >> no, the big prize is in iraq and in syria. it's taking back their strongholds. >> david, 49 innocent people were killed last weekend. the big prize, they're winning the big prizes. we aren't. >> we can't stop every attack here, unfortunately. we wish we could. and we especially cannot stop every homegrown terrorist attack
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when we don't even know that they are sympathizing with isis, they have connected with isis and that they are planning to do an attack like this. we need to try and do better. let's look at the real prize which is iraq and syria and taking them out of their strongholds and making pr pro-depress. have we gotten the touchdown down there yet? no we have not. can we do a internet job? yes we have to do a internet job of arming and supporting indigenous forces on the ground in iraq and syria take back cities. >> i have got to go right now. gentlemen, thank you so much. a new poll shows republicans and democrats see things very differently when it comes to the orlando terror attack. dana perino will be right here to analyze that just moments away. [phone buzzing]
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are responding to the orlando shooting. a new gallup poll shows just how widely split americans are over what they think is to blame for the attack. 79% of republicans said it was an act of islamic terrorism. only 29% of democrats think so. but 60% of democrats blamed gun violence. only 16% of republicans thought guns were to blame. president obama appeared to make clear which side he comes down on during his visit to orlando thursday. >> those who were killed and injured here were gunned down by a single killer with a powerful assault weapon. the motives of this killer may have been different than the mass shooters in aurora or newtown. but the instruments of death were so similar. >> joining us now to analyze my
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co-host of "the five." dana, we are a divided politic. >> we have research to back it up. polling can be instructive. people seeing in their own lives, water cooler in the office. with their families, on social network on facebook. have friends all different walks of life and they see this sharp divide that, for example, on this particular case with orlando, immediately, it's like oh my gosh, we have had another terrorist attack here on the homeland. that's my instinct. and somebody have a different perspective like oh my gosh, we have got to do something about guns. both things can be true, okay. but i think really disappointing is that we don't have a choice on whether we fight this war or not. we didn't choose to go to war but we can choose how wednesday it. and having a divide like this all the way up to the top of the leadership of our country with
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the inability to the top of the leadership of our country with an inability to say let's pull together, at least for a week, and realize this is an attack on americans, innocent beautiful people in orlando and try to figure out what we do to move forward. >> what happens when the president a few days after this terror attack goes and comforts the families and first responders and comes to the podium directly after and mentions guns the way he did. he talked about the instruments of terror. the instruments of violence are the same and that's code for guns, right? >> it is. here's the thing. if you are a democrat listening to that, it makes total sense to you because you feel like the reason that more innocent people in america are dying is pause republicans are blocking president obama's gun control initiatives. if you are a republican, and you listen to president obama's speech you think he still doesn't get it he doesn't recognize the threat we are up against meaning islamic terrorism. i think that all americans want the same thing.
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we want to be safe. we want a strong and growing economy. but you have different approaches in terms of how do you get there? i worry about this upcoming presidential election and how caustic it is becoming because immediately everybody went into camp. but the only way we win this war is if we are fighting together. >> president obama comes and he mentions guns a few times. that just pushes the divide further, doesn't it? >> right. so the proposed solutions to this should not divert our attention from the real threat, which is the ideological war that you have been talking about on the program. solutions should be logically based. right now talking about ar-15s as you talked about all week that was not the weapon that was used. we also know that mateen loved the american, the floridian that went to join isis in syria and blew himself up. if you are a committed jihadist, you will find a way. now, should there be a way for the fbi to have caught him earlier? to have prevented him from being able to buy the weapon? i think that there is some reasonable discussion and, in fact, the congress is having a debate on john cornyn bill. senator john cornyn of texas who has a way to talk about the terror fly list because that
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actually has to be changed. that's something, believe it or not, where you have agreement between the far right and the aclu. >> look at it this way, the terror watch list and the no fly list, this guy was on neither. so he literally walked into a gun shop and even if there was a you can't buy a gun if you are on this no-fly list or terror watch list, he wasn't on it. so he would have been able to -- any new legislation wouldn't have affected orlando. >> that's right. we end up talking about the small ball things and not focusing on how do you destroy the safe haven where isis is able to plot and plan attacks and even if those are attacks where they are encouraging lone wolfs like mateen to carry out attacks across the world, that is how they are going to continue to hit us soft targets all across the country. >> guns became front and center very quickly, didn't they? >> yeah. >> dana, thank you very much. dana, always great. plenty more ahead as this special edition of "the o'reilly factor" moves along this evening. two blockbuster interviews. donald trump and speaker paul ryan enter the no spin zone with bill.
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he did not say, however, which groups should be the sole focus of profiling which would be targeted for additional law enforcement scrutiny because of race and other characteristics. u.s. attorney general loretta lynch says partial transfers made by the shooter in the orlando massacre will be released. the transcripts will include his conversations with hostage negotiate or thes but will not declare where he pledged allegiance to terrorism. that agenda does not need to be promoted. that's a look at news this hour. i'm kelly wright. now back to the o'reilly special. in the election 2016 segment tonight, donald trump enters the no spin zone with some provocative comments following the orlando terror attack. this week, bill challenged trump on the muslim ban. they also talked about how to prevent more isis attacks in america. trump's relationship with the gay community, and hillary clinton finally using the phrase radical islamism. >> earlier today, hillary
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clinton did use words she has not used before. >> to me, radical jihadiism, radical islamism. i think they mean the same thing. i'm happy to say either but that's not the point. all this talk and demagoguery and rhetoric is not going to solve the problem. >> and your reaction? >> well, first of all, she didn't use the word. she said she would say the words but she didn't say the words. second of all, radical islamic terrorism, she's trying to soften it up because she's afraid of president obama who has a lot of power over her feature and could put her in jail. >> she did say radical islamic terrorism is responsible. she did say that. >> she used radical islamicism. she didn't use radical islamic terrorism. there's a difference. she didn't say it. she said she would use it. bill, the only reason she did that is because i've been going after her saying she has to do
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it. >> no doubt about it. >> if i didn't do that she would have never -- bill, if i didn't do that, she would have never said those words. >> i don't know that but you are much better. >> i do. >> mind reading thing. >> i don't want the credit. i don't want the credit. i just said i didn't pound her on that she would not have said it. >> you hammered the secretary today in your speech for basically saying, look, your, you, mrs. clinton, are not protecting guys because your soft approach to islam in general or islamic fundamentalism in general discounts the fact that most muslims, perhaps most sharia law certainly had disdain toward homosexuals. so you really hammered her on that. was that fair? >> i think it's fair, 100 percent fair. i'm far better for the gay community than she is. she talks a lot about it and yet she will allow people in that want to kill people from the community, from that community. and i think it's terrible.
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the same with women. they want to make women slaves. they want to make women slaves. that's what they do. and yet she's fine with, you know, the women say, oh, isn't she wonderful? she's not wonderful for women. she wants people coming in, she wants a 500% increase in people coming in from syria that are radical islamists, okay. in many cases. >> whoa, she wants to take a humanitarian -- under the humanitarian banner as president obama does and the democratic party does, the entire party. they want to take people -- >> then we should -- bill -- >> wait, wait, let me ask the question. >> go ahead. >> but she would refute very vehemently that she would ever allow any radical muslim in here. she would never do that. so is it fair for you to accuse her of doing that? >> of course. because she don't know who is coming in. there's no paperwork, there's no document takes. sure, they think everyone is beautiful.
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these people will tell everyone how wonderful they are. they will come in and then blow up the club like they blew up over the weekend. or they'll do something else. bill, i mean, she's allowing these people to come in, a 500% increase she wants. and they hate women, or certainly they want women to be their slaves. >> but that's radical. you don't let radicals in. excuse me -- let me ask you this question, you know, you know, we have discussed this. you know there are good, loyal muslim-americans who love this country, who have died for this country. >> true. i have many friends. >> do you believe that there is a danger now that because of your hot rhetoric about the topic, and i agree with some of what you're saying, okay. you got to vet these people from overseas, you just can't let them waltz in. i agree, but you see that you could be contributing to a demonization of all muslims in general, is that possible? >> no, just the opposite.
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i really believe it's just the opposite. i have many friends, you know that, i have said it before, i have many friends who are muslim. i get calls from many people thanking me who are muslim, thanking me. i have some incredible friends, some wonderful friends, some who are very successful, some aren't, but i have many muslim friends who are thanking me, many of them, not all of them but many of them. the fact is she's allowing massive numbers of people to come in and they're not all radicalized and they're not all terrorists. but it doesn't take many, bill. if you take a look, this is one young man that did this damage. 50 people killed and probably a lot more to follow. they are very gravely injured in hospitals right now. they are wounded so badly. so this is one man. so it doesn't take very many. but we have many, in my opinion, you have many coming in. and they are smart and they are cunning. and they know how to get through the system. and by the way, they have stolen our passport machine so they make passports better than we make passports. we don't know who's coming in.
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thanks for staying with thanks for staying with us on this special edition of the o'reilly factor. i'm eric bolling in for bill to riley. speaker of the house paul ryan in the no spin zone earlier this week with the speaker coming out against donald trump's call to ban muslim immigrants from coming into the u.s. and he came onto "the factor" to tell bill why. >> don't you think americans have simply had enough of the muslim terror deal and that's why trump gets traction with his temporary ban. you know, he's mobilizing people in an emotional way to support him. that's what it's all about, is it not? >> well, sure. but if i'm going to ask a question, bill, i'm going to give an honest answer. and the honest answer is i think a muslim ban based on religion is counter productivity to our efforts to fight terrorism. more importantly, we believe in the first amendment which is freedom of religion. so i do think a security test, that's what we passed here in the house, we said you can't
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have the syrian refugee program until you can properly vet every single person. and we passed that bill, it's headed over to the senate, harry reid is filibustering it. so we don't agree with that. that's right. and we passed the bill stopping it, but based on not religion, based on security. >> when you met with trump, did you discuss this muslim ban thing? >> yeah, we did. we discussed this and many, many other things but we did discuss the muslim ban thing. we just have a difference on upon on it. >> so you're not going to move him, he's not going to move you. last night we discussed declaration of war. if congress would declare war on islam jihad and name the groups we're declaring war on, give the president and military more power to deal with them. has president obama ever come to you, ever called you, ever texted you any of his guys and said, this might be a good idea, let's discuss it. >> i haven't discussed this
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specifically with him in quite a while. we did discuss it a few months ago. here's the problem, i think we should declare war on, isis and all the other groups. here's the problem, president obama wants to tie the hands of the military. president obama is saying that he will not accept an authorization of the military force that does not completely hamstring his successor. and we're not going to do that. we're not going to -- >> if congress declared war, congress has the power to declare war, so if congress declares war, all right, then, yes, he might be a bad commander in chief. yes, he might blow it. but that's all going to be on him then. so you guys have done what you can do. >> the point i'm making is, the only amf he says he'll accept is one that we find unacceptable. which ties the hands of the military. >> let him veto it. you see what i'm talking about? i think americans are angry. i think they want action. and they don't want to hear we can't, we can't, we can't. pass the declaration of war.
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if reid tries to filibuster it in the senate, then we'll all know again he's the big villain again. but you guys have to show the american people that you really feel the way they feel. that these people have to be dealt with. in 2001, 9/11 and now it's 15 years later, september, and we still have to deal with these pigs, and these savages, and i think that people -- the american people are as angry as i have ever seen them in my lifetime. and i think that congress has to reflect that now. >> talk about anger, let me hit you there, we passed a bill last year calling for the president to give us a plan to defeat isis. what did he do? send us a couple pages of talking points. we share that frustration. >> he's only president for a few more months. and you guys have got to mobilize. now, you and i have talked before about case law, it would make it easier for the authorities to apprehend foreign
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criminals, there's the alleged shooter, okay, and it would also provide mandatory sentences just for defying deportation. and congress can't get it done and the folks don't understand why. now the family so so broken hearted they are suing the federal government because the federal government won't right the wrong. and i'm going to come back now -- >> we're going after sanctuary cities in the appropriations process but having a problem with the president as well on that. so trust me, the case law -- >> the case law stand alone, do something. americans just want you to try. they want you to try. and if obama doesn't do it or reid doesn't do it, let them take it. you try. you do the right thing. so you know -- >> you know that we are trying. you know -- the reason we are so frustrated is because in this divided government, we can't pass our principle conservative reforms through into law. forget about the filibuster, we can't get the president to sign them into law.
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that is why we are offering an agenda. we are asking the american people, give us the kind of government to get these things into law. how do we keep ourselves safe? how do we drive the economy? how do we reduce the intrusive government? how do we have national security policy to keep us safe? how do we replace obamacare? because we can pass the bills in the house and then they die via filibuster or veto by the president. >> you pass it a heartbeat in the house, pass it. then you can ram it down their throats. >> point taken. point taken. >> all right, mr. speaker, we appreciate it. directly ahead, new polls show trouble for donald trump's campaign. but is his support actually higher than the polls are letting on? that debate when this special edition of "the factor" returns. ♪ experience the thrill of the lexus gs f sport. because the ultimate expression of power, is control.
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in the back of the book segment tonight, the polls and donald trump, new survey as out donald trump, new surveys out this week shows the unfavors jumping and hillary clinton coming out ahead in direct matchups against trump. trump isn't buying the latest numbers. >> when i poll i do fine. when i run, i do must better. people say i won't say who i'm going to vote for. don't be embarrassed. they get in and i do much better. >> is it possible that theat pos aren't showing the support donald trump has among voters? joining us now with reaction from washington tim miller, former communications director for the jeb bush campaign. now, tim, let me guess. you're never trump. you're that pac anti-trump pac and guessing you think there's no way that trump has better voting totals than the polls are
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showing now. >> d,trump's words, man, sad.ed huh, eric? this is sad he's reduced to this coming up with conspiracy theories. this is a guy, trump, spent primary we had to listen to it, bragging about the poll numbers and now the polls aren't right all of a sudden. well, look. harry enton best poll data guy out there and looked at the primary and if you look at trump's results in the primary in each state on average he came in about 1% lower than his poll numbers so this is just a crazy theory coming up with. >> i love that but nate silver nailed all 50 states election cycle. however, he missed trump. the 538 said trump cannot be the nominee and he is the nominee. polls can be wrong. >> in the primary, they were right! and the trump guys all bragging about the polls. whole primary. and maybe some of the d.c. pundits no doubt they didn't believe it. they didn't believe the polls. >> wait a minute.
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jeb bush, i remember for a long time they had jeb bush neck and neck withon donald trump and je was one of the first to drop out. >>d yeah, well look. we realized september or october that the polls were right. we didn't believe them at the start thinking trump would go down and realized they were right and bore out. here's the thing that trump fans have to realize. he's going to get crushed by hillary clinton. i t came on your show three mons and told you that. >> all of the data -- couldn't be the nominee. here's the problem with some of the patrols. they don't -- they predict prior behavior. donald trump brought out the no one saw coming. one point still contested, there were 5 million more republicans gop voters than democrat primary voters and. that was unusual. >> d eric, he did worse than th polls in the w primary. you can wish and hope they data on the side of trump struggling. >> no, no.io on trump struggling this last ten days. prior to this, he wasn't
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struggling. in he had polls taken the lead hillary clinton. >> they have always shown he can't win the general. here's why. >> tim, the polls flipped over a brief period of time until this recent round with r the mexican judge and then hillary clinton gets the nomination or the presumptive nominee. so they flip back. >> eric, here's the thing. donald trump has had terrible unfavorable numbers for six months andan can't insult women hispanics, african-americans, asians and think you will be the nominee. >> he had unfavorables for a year. >> you can wish all you want. >> i'm not wishing anything. i'm looking at the numbers. let's do this. let's do this. let's have -- we have a minute. what do you have against donald trump? you're a republican, right? aren't you onn -- >> i am. look. there are thousand reasons, he's anti-constitution, i want to talk about one thing this week. he insulted our soldiers. he said that the soldiers in the iraq war stole money that was meant for iraq reconstruction. this is a guy who dodged the
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draft, who said the personal vietnam was having sex without a condom in the '60s. >> tim? >> his character is too low to beoo the president. >> here's the other problem. here's why you have to reconsider -- >> why can't you answer that question, eric? >> i don't answer for donald trump. number un, scalia's supreme court seat replaced. if three, up to three more supreme court seats replaced by hillary clinton as president, the left wins, tim. for a long time. >> donald trump is a -- left-leaning court for the rest of your life. tim miller, i have to go. a special way to spend sunday night. we'll be right back. you do what it takes to be healthy.
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no spin there. a ten latest episode of "legends and lies" airs in sunday at 8:00 p.m. eastern here on fnc starring john adams, the boston tea party and the legendary paul revere. here's a sneak preview. >> the regulars are coming out! the regulars are coming out! >> what did you say? >> grab your musket if you be a patriot, man! the regulars are coming out. the regulars are coming out. >> despite the popular poem, paul revere is not alone on the midnight ride. joseph warren and militia men patrick daus and three others to join revere with orders to commission more riders along the way. the decision ensures the message gets out and the warning does make it all the way to concord, near lexington, paul revere's journey takes an unexpected and often untold turn.
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>> you're dead! >> take him to major mitchell. >> you're not afraid, mr. revere? speak the truth of your mission tonight and you'll not be harmed. >> it's you who should be afraid, may jr. >> what's waiting for us up ahead? >> we know you're after hancock and adams and the candidate at concord. >> what's up that road? speak the truth or i'll blow your brains out. >> it's a great episode so be sure to check it out. that's it for us tonight. thank you for watching this special edition of "the factor." bill will be back on monday.
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also, be sure to check out my show. don't forget about my book "wake up america" going on sale later this month. please remember the spin stops right here. because we're looking out for you. welcome to the special edition of hannity: jihad in america. we'll examine the growing threat of radical islam here in the u.s. the orlando terror attack is only the latest example of how radical islamists want to destroy your freedom and your way of life. let's take a look. >> and we've just gotten word of not word but two explosions near the finish line of the boston marathon.