going to address that tomorrow night, don't miss it. again, thanks for watching us tonight. i am bill o'reilly. the spin stops here because we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, the nation's top law enforcement official visiting the site of the worst terrorist attack on u.s. soil since 9/11. as her justice department faces new questions over an attempt to hold back key facts of this tragedy from the american public. good evening, welcome to "the kelly file." i'm megyn kelly. attorney general loretta lynch touching down in orlando, paying her respects at a memorial to the victims. while back in washington, the obama administration distancing themselves from growing concerns over her justice department's decision to release a partial transcript of the terrorist's own words. omitting his pledge of

aleenlance allegiance to isis and its leader. and then just hours later, facing public outcry, reversing themselves, releasing the full transcript. white house press secretary josh earnest from today. >> the decision to release the unredacted version of the transcript released yesterday was made independently and entirely by the department of justice. >> today, more criticism of the doj's release, including the terrorist references to, quote, allah being changed in the transcript to refer to god, why did they do that? and also a refusal to release over 25 minutes of additional transcri transcripts. why don't we get to see that? tonight, we're hearing from some former and current fbi sources raising new questions about how the doj is handing this investigation. joining us in moments, american enterprise institute fellow mark casson and dnc member robert zimmerman are here. plus, a former islamic extremist who rejected that hateful

ideology, came out as gay, and is now a counterextremism advocate. his presence here tonight is critical. we'll explain. but first, our senior intelligence correspondent has the latest details. >> attorney general lynch holding a news conference today. not a single question about the edits or why the fbi and justice department reversed themselves so abruptly. lynch held up the possibility they will release more from the 911 calls in the future. >> so we're looking to be as transparent as possible and to provide as much information as possible over the course of time. we certainly are open to that. i can't tell you when or in what context. !&c[br)$,/ñ=n

>> i'll leave it to the investigators to make those decisions and comment on the wisdom of that. >> the former fbi spokesman told fox he has seen edits before but only when it relates to sensitive national security information and the connection to isis was already out there. >> sometimes in today's climate, i see the desire not to say specific names, because we don't want to lionize a particular individual or entity that are committing these heinous crimes. but the reality is, we all know who these people are. we know who isis is. we shouldn't be afraid to use those words. >> law enforcement sources familiar with the discussion say the fbi and justice department here in washington signed off. and the severity and speed of

the backlash took all of them by surprise, megan. >> catherine, thank you. joining us with more, mark tisen and robert zimmerman, good to see you both. >> good to see you. >> i'll start with you, mark, why, why did they change allah to god in the transcript? that's not what he said. why are they messing with it, it redacting thing, keeping back even more tonight than, you know, finally they had to reverz themselves and release a bunch of stuff they didn't want to release. now we find out we still don't have all of it. why? >> it's purely political. it's coming from the top. look, this isn't the first time they've done this. if you recall, in april, the white house itself edited a recording of the president of france in a meeting with president referring to islamic terrorism. the words disappeared from the recording. and then suddenly magically reappeared when there was confusion about this. so this is clear he a political decision. they have a phobia about using the words islamic radicalism.

>> wait a minute -- >> the fact is, that even -- why do we not have those words in there? why do we not have his voice? you play 911 recordings all the time when there are criminal cases. because they don't want us to hear this guy speaking arabic. they don't want us to hear him say in his own voice "i pledge allegiance to abu akba al baghdadi and praise be upon him." they don't want this to be about islamic radicalism. they want it to be about guns. they want it to be about homo phobia. if we heard the man's voice saying these things, that it would be absolutely clear what he was about. >> why does it have been to to the exclusion -- obviously, there was homophobia. obviously, there were guns in the possession of a man who used them for ill and should have been prevented from getting them. how do we get to the point where we prevent terrorists from getting guts is another subject.

why so reticent to discuss anything having to do with radical terrorism? >> first all, that's not the case at all, you're correct -- >> why did they is hang allah to god? >> the thing to remember is neither mark, nor i, have any facts, nor insight into the fbi department of justice investigation. it's clearly an investigation in process. obvio obviously, much of it is confidential. the fbi director james comey said back on june 13th they don't want to lionize the murderers, they don't want to create copycat situations. >> how does lionize the murderer to just tell us what he said, allah, not god? it's like they're trying to de-islamify -- >> you can pick it apart. the bottom line is it's a long-standing policy not to try to give these murderers and terrorists a platform. >> not give them a platform --

>> the real issue here is watching mark and the republican right wing try to play partisan politics on the war on terrorism -- >> but what does that mean, mark, not -- the fbi director told us what he said. he told us. so then why does the doj then try to redact the transcript such that we can't have these specific words? and you tell me, that just jumps out, why would they change allah to god? >> because they don't want to focus on islamic radicalism. >> once again mark -- >> let him finish. >> robert, come on, let him answer -- go ahead, mark. >> lore rigtta lynch on "face t nation" said the focus of her investigation is to figure out why he targeted the lgbt community. i can tell you he targeted the lgbt community. because he's an islamic radical. because that is what they do. >> they hate gays. >> they attack gays all the time. this difference here is it's the

first time they did it in america. they did it in aleppo. they did it in fallujah. they just took a little boy, a month ago, tied him up, threw him off of a building and posted the photos of it. so this is about islamic radicalism. >> all these tragedies you're describing make it more imperative not to treat this as a partisan political game -- >> it's not a partisan game -- >> let me finish my point. when you make these charges, when the republican conservatives still allow terror suspects to buy and collect firearms, when the republican congress still refuses to even declare war against isis, when the right wing advocates strategies that our military generals say endanger us and enable isis to engage more recruiters -- >> are you kidding me? >> you, in fact, have no information, no facts to go with your charges against the white house, but it really doesn't matter because you view it as politics. the issue is fighting terrorism. the real scandal -- >> you can see -- really the country's very divided about

this -- >> no, rather really united, it's just -- >> no, we're not, we're not united. we can't get anything done. nothing ever changes. nothing ever changes. -- >> the majority of americans think barack obama's doing a terrible job on the war or trainer, that we should be putting boots on the ground and -- >> i have to go. there is breaking news tonight about the dramatic new report on omar mateen, the orlando terrorist. we're getting reports that a man has now come forward to tell investigators, the fbi, that he and mateen were lovers for the last two months. he described mateen as a confused gay man who drank heavily. univision news broke this story a short time ago. they spoke to this man in spanish. this is a picture from the interview where he was heavily disguised. the man said the fbi interviewed him three types plus another on the phone. the fbi apparently confirmed it had been in touch with this man.

the man went on to say he things mateen knew, that he thinks mateen's wife knew that mateen was gay. this is a former radical islamist and now a contributor with the clarion project. i mean, we didn't know we'd be having this breaking news when we book you for this story but you're the perfect person to talk to. you were radicalized. parents brought you up and almost got you to the point where you were going to commit violence before you reeled yourself back. grew up in london a gay man. you tell me what you think about that report that he was gay, that obviously, you know, this radical islam teaches you to hate yourself if you're gay, and what role you think that played here. >> i think there's a number of factorings that played here. one of the factors was the grievances he had with the lgbt community and with regards to the recent interaction he had with the two gay men mentioned.

also, think this is the islamist ideology. because a person might have a number of grievances, but what happens is islamism provides the framework that shunts these grievance toward the particular direction. that being of carrying out mass atrocity attacks. and i think there's also kind of internalized homophobia here that led to externalized homophobia as well, and i think what should be important to mention here is it's not just islam that contributes to this, it's islam as a whole. the overwhelming majority of islams follow a conservative traditionalist form of islam and there are four main schools in traditionalist islam. three of those schools stipulate the death penalty for homosexuality. >> your point is people want to say this is all about homophobia

and guns have it wrong and the people who say it has nothing to do with homophobia and gaubs, they're missing it too. you're saying this teaches that gays are bad, this -- >> exactly, i think they're all wrong, because all these factors come into play here. think it's homophobia, i think it's the issue of gun control, the issue of radicalism. but what happens is what i'm saying here is that the ideology of radicalism basically says if you have a grievance, here's a good way of letting out your steam. just if i could basically explain the idea. what it seeks to do is seeks to unite the entire islamic world under one banner and then what it works to do after that is to evade and take over other territory. this is all kind of part and parcel. attacking the lgbt community. i mean, lgbt rights and, like, gay clubs and gay bars are one of the things that describe the

examples of western advancement. and attacking an lgbt club is specific to his own situation, but also it is a specific attack against the west, and i think it's important to point out here as well that he was scoping out disneyland before he carried out the attack in orlando -- >> good point. i have to ask you -- >> -- nothing to do with lgbt stuff. the common thread there is the west. it's both an attack on the lgbt community and attack on the west. >> and everything we stand for as americans and in the west. i want to ask you, you said you came close to doing it. you came close to conducting a suicide bombing or an attack similar to what we saw in orlando over in london. how did you reel yourself back? what stopped you? >> well, what stopped me was, interestingly, just the technical point within islamic theological thought. basically, the islamic sclol

scholars argued considering ways an i british citizen i have a british contract with them, that i won't attack them. it's not saying terrorist attacks are bad. it's saying a technicality. because it's such a technicality, it's easy to override that restriction in terms of the theology. that's why i think a lot of people from an islamist background are increasingly predisposed to carrying out terror attacks. >> wow, thank you for coming on tonight. again, he has rejected that ideology and we're very grateful to have youtonight, thank you, sir. well, we are also getting new details tonight on this man and his failed assassination attempt against donald trump. plus, new gun control, is it real or just a political play? next on that. >> report the bill. >> the bill to amend the homeland security act -- closing the stage

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breaking tonight, new capitol hill drama over gun control as the house breaks out into chaos as democrats try to demand gun control action, shouting no bill, no break. watch. >> the court will report the

title of the bill. >> hr-5388, a bill to amend the homeland security act -- >> this is the second time in as days the tempers appeared to boil over. news editor of town hall.com. julie, let me start with you, what specifically are they mad about, because you've got a couple of republican proposal, a couple of democrats proposals. >> the reaty is that chris murphy who started this filibuster wanted universal background checks which should not be a controversial idea. 83% of nra members want this. this is not a controversial idea. yet even this cannot pass, which just goes to show how broken our system is. >> the proposals have to do with more than just background checks. >> of course, they have more to do with background checks. let's not forget that gun control is a big distraction

from the real issue here. omar mateen did not pledge allegiance to the nra or republicans and, by the way, he passed a background check. this is a distraction away from the obama administration's failed policy on isis and congress should be getting ready to debate a declaration of war so we can stop this problem where it exists which is overseas and here at home. >> what -- what about the susan collins legislation? she's a republican from maine, sort of in the middle of the road, and she's got this proposal that would prohibit gun sales to people on two different watch lists, one of two terror watch lists. you can appeal. you can get your attorney fees back if you win. it's got a lookback provision for somebody who had been in the terror database. does that have any chance? >> look, i'm not sure if it has any chance because i think this

congress is so polarized. i'm somebody who is sympathetic to the due prospect aspect of this where some bureaucrat can put you on the no fly list -- >> target conservatives -- >> absolutely no access to any kind of due process if some bureaucrat decides to put you on. but there are things you can do. there's no controversy whatsoever in making sure people who pass background checks, not just gun show, people who do them at private sales and people who do them at gun shows -- >> it solves the problem that does not not cause -- >> but not the nra -- >> okay, great, but that would not have stopped omar mateen. >> oftentimes it wouldn't have stopped actually most mass shootings, terrorism in this country. at a time when american citizens are at the most at risk than they've been since 9/11, it is

astonishing that the left is telling us to disarm and atta attacking the nra who are not just protecting their rights bus protecting their news when isis comes knocking in their neighborhoods and the left is trying to take that away. >> 82% of those same nra members want universal background checks and the reality is you can't let the bad defeat the good -- >> it doesn't pass a background check, katie -- >> there are more than -- there's more than just this would be instance. if you can walk into a gun show and purchase something -- >> you're stuck on the gun show -- you're stuck on the gun show show. the legislation that they're looking at -- >> -- has nothing to do with it -- >> the situation here is how do you prevent a terrorist from getting a gun. everybody agrees on that. but it's more complicated than that. how do you figure out who the potential terrorist is and still stay consistent with the bill of rights. up next, new details on the

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stanford told investigators he approached the officer because it looked like his holster was unlocked. unreleased surveillance video shows the suspect reaching for the officer's gun and being arrested. as he was being led away, donald trump, who was on stage, commented, watch. >> we love our police. we love our police. thank you. thank you, officers. >> michael sanford waved his miranda rights and told police his plan was to fire off one or two rounds at trump before police shot and killed him. sanford also bought a ticket to the trump event in phoenix just in case he failed to kill him in vegas. and he told police if he's let back on the streets, he will try to kill trump again. michael sanford is being held in jail as a flight risk. >> my god. trace, thank you. good gracious. also tonight, dramatic fallout from reports that the trump campaign is running on financial fumes.

new financial filings show the trump campaign had less than $1.3 million in the bank headed into june. compare that to the clinton campaign which reported a $42 million war chest. donald trump backer ed rollins tells "the washington post" that trump is, quote, looking into the abyss. guy benson, fox news contributor. boris epstein, former communications aide. and chris, our fox news digital editor. how bad is that, $42 million? >> when the guy says you're looking into the abyss, don't think he means the abyss of excellence and joy so no bueno is the term for that. we have to remember, trump's campaign is not about money, it's about trump. trump and more trump. he's said all along he was not probably going to be able to match hillary clinton who's

better at buck raking than any human being who has ever raked a buck. she's got more connection, done more favors, all this stuff. what he has is himself going on television and getting free coverage and he also has the ability to create controversy so he's not going to need as much money. this amount of money, though, is impossible. this is unworkable. >> he's got to start putting some money in the coffers. he says no problem, i can do that, no problem. i have to do it with my own cash. do you believe that? >> yes. first of all, that number was at the end of may. the first fund-raising event was may 25th. the result of one event. i know for a fact trump raised more money tonight than that $1.5 million that was out there so there's going to be no problem. fund-raising is ongoing. it's going to be great for numbers that are much better than the numbers you've been seeing. of course you know donald trump

has a lot of his own and he's shown to be will to put his money where his mouth is. this was not a concern. this is not going to be an issue. >> even though trump has money, he is notoriously frugal. some people say that's why he has a lot of money, right? we can probably take a lesson. i'm hearing my husband in my own head. in any event, the point is, do we really believe he's willing to spend $1 billion of his own money to get himself elected? >> maybe not billion. let's do it. if you're going to spend it, let's spend it. think the issue with that fund-raising and the really bad number in may is he had the entire month, he sewed this thing up, what, may the 4th, and still just squandered a month, not just the fund-raising, the money matters for ground game. i've been making this point. donald trump got a wake-up call in iowa during the primaries. those caucuses. he thought his way was going to be just enough and he was leading by five points going into iowa. we're not messing around

anymore. if you want to beat hillary clinton, she is going to be churning out money like crazy. you have to get serious. that number i think made a lot of republicans very nervous. >> the saying that the top fund-raisers are not opening u the coffers because they're concerned, you know, he fired his campaign manager. it's not lewandowski. they're concerned about trump, his controversial comments. "the wall street journal" had a report about how he's worried about comments made by that judge and other things and they don't want to put money into a campaign that can't get it done. >> if you've got a culvert that goes under your driver, under your road, if you're in west virginia and the groundhog dies in it, the water will not go through, it just bloats up too much and no water comes out at the other endhat you're getting at. >> there is a dead groundhog in the culvert of the republican fund-raising system and that is the fact that these donors won't give. they're looking at trump. they're looking at this situation. this is affecting house races,

gubernatorial race. the republican party's looking at trump and saying get with it, get regular, get on teleprompter, calm down, act like a normal candidate and start raking in money. also what he started doing today, which is beating up those small donors. send out those e-mails it you know the billion you get in your inbox every day. hey, it's the last chance, act now, act now, act now. that's what trump's going to start doing. in that way, he becomes like a regular candidate. he gets money but he loses the advantage that he has of being able to say "i'm my own guy," i don't take their money. >> the other way of looking at this is trump has, what, one-tenth of what hillary has, if that. but he's still polling even with her in ohio and pennsylvania. i mean, with basically no effort. if he can win ohio and pennsylvania, i mean, it will be stun. pennsylvania's basically considered blue now. >> and he's down by eight in florida but that's after all the comments about the judge that i think were absolutely normal but

that did hurt him in the polls -- >> you think they were normal? >> don't see any problem with the chebtcomments. polls will show in about two weeks he'll be back in florida too. the rnc has outraised the dnc by $50 million in this cycle. so the republican party has a money issue. let's not act like trump has a money issue. >> trump's campaign does have a money issue as today. the question is whether he can turn it around. >> let's not pretend money doesn't matter. it's not just me saying that. trump himself last month said we have to raise $1 billion. >> and he's working really hard to do that. he's got over four months left to go. >> you may not think the comments about the judge were an issue but the donors clearly do. even trump came around to that because he walked back which is rare for trump. >> i think in november it's going to not end up being an

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whoever however he'd like to do it, how many are ready to say you'll support donald trump and offer your endorsement? >> oh, boy. joining me now, one of those men, tony perkin, president of the family research council. why didn't you raise your hand? >> it's the beginning of a conversation. today was the first of a process having a conversation with donald trump about issues of mutual concern and see where he stands on another uthe issues. i don't think there was anticipation there would be endorsements. that's not what this is about. it was about a conversation with donald trump. >> why do you need to talk to him? a lot of people would say your choice should be clear when you're looking at a republican versus hillary clinton. >> it's a little more challenging for evangelicals it we're not there just to be political lap dogs of the republican party. here's the nominee, therefore, you're with them. we've got to be both an influence in this process and a witness to a standard of truth that is revealed in scripture

that we adhere to. that's what we work for. and so when we have a candidate that has really kind of has had physicians in the past that are inconsistent with that, we've got to have a conversation -- >> being pro choice. >> right. >> do you believe he's converted to pro-life? >> i do. here's the challenge we have. having been in politics for about 20 years. i understand past performance is the best indicator of future performance. he doesn't have a track record of being in public office. i think that's one of the things that's going to be important. is who he picks as a running made. is it someone who has a conservative record who has a relationship with evangelicals. we thought maybe we'd have 400 people when we called this meeting. over 1,000 came. people are eager. they want to be able to be for hi because they know the alternative is bad for the country. >> how important is the evangelical vote? >> it's critical. it's always an important bloc but i think in this election because the turnout is even

higher. i think we go back to the numbers 2008 versus 2012. i think he's got to beat the numbers of mitt romney to win this 50 lex. >> how will he do better than mitt romney did? >> one is -- this was an historic meeting. i've never been in an historical meeting with this many evangelical leaders across the country. he talked very clearly about the issue of religious liberty and he would defend religious liberty. remember, he's talking to people who for the last 7 1/2 years have had the ability to live their lives according to their faith attacked almost every day. >> on their heels. >> by the obama administration. and there's something else i've watched with this. i think it's fascinating. as he's been, you know, attacked for not toeing the politically correct line, he relates to evangelicals because they feel the same way. they feel they're under assault by the culture. here's a guy who they may not agree with him on everything and they have a different perspective, but this is a guy

willing to call it like he sees it. say it like he believes it. while they may not agree with him on everything, they're glad somebody's finally saying, you know what, this is the way it is. >> you didn't raise your hand but i'm sensing the hand is going u soon. i'm putting it out there. >> no hands were raised, all right. it's great to see you. the late polling shows this election is starting to break down along racial lines. in the latest sur vam from m monmouth university, hillary clinton holds a lead over donald trump when it comes to nonwhite voters. trump tops hillary by 11 points among vit vowhite voters. pastor burns, the founder and president of the now television network. great to see you, pastor. that's quite a deficit. you know, many people believe there is just not a chance for donald trump unless he can improve his numbers with minority voters.

do you agree? >> i do think, i think it's a good question you asked that. i do also know having been on the front line with the african-american community north throughout this country having trouble with the campaign, having spoken at many of the rallies aclose country, there are so many closet supporters that are african-american, african-americans, but they support donald trump. >> they don't want to say they support donald trump? >> because of this political climate. some people may call it political correctness. i call it political sneezeness. >> we have seen that even with conservatives who get shamed by some leaders into believing somehow a betrayal of their heritage. >> absolutely. democrats for over 50 years have claimed the black vote. i think it's sad that hillary clinton has been tap dancing, has been pandering after the black vote and for 50 years,

black people have been voting democrat, and we're still broke, we're still not at the top of the food chain financially, and that's what donald trump is saying, that's what's resonating to black america or the african-american community is that donald trump understands poverty has no color. poverty doesn't care what race you are. poverty doesn't care what your heritage is. >> what do you make -- he's made some controversial comments that have gotten him in trouble with some, including about african-americans. he was at a rally not long ago where there was an african-american supporter in the crowd and trump said "there's my african-american," and many people were offended by that. there was a book about trump that suggested he didn't want blacks counting his money, he'd rather have jews counting his money. believe that's been denied. >> absolutely. >> your thoughts on whether any of that plays at all. >> no, again, the conversations i've had with thousands of black people across this country, they

want jobs. they understand that i've been voting democrat for over 50 years. the black people have been voting for the seam party for over 50 years and we're no more empowered than we were back during the civil rights movement. >> i want to ask you, because you sound like a republican who would probably support a republican. do you like trump more? is this -- is he special to you more so than your average republican? >> absolutely. donald trump has reached a plateau to where he has freed americans to really say what they've been saying privately for years, but now they have the boldness to say it publicly. that is a freedom. donald trump, this is what he means by america first. we have lost freedoms, religious liberties, we have lost economic power and now this is a candidate that is owned by no one, bought by no one, and he's a person -- >> okay, i got to go.

pastor, thank you. joining me, tavis smiley, the host of "tavis smiley show" and author of "before you judge me." tavis, great to see you. do you believe donald trump can win the black vote given the deficit he faces towards hillary clinton? >> said many months ago donald trump was and to my mind still is an irascible unrepentant racial and religious arsonist. he continues to have things come out of his mouth that are hard to square with that first century palestine jew named jesus that i serve. pastor burns and tony perkins aren't the only ones who serve that first century palestine jew, i serve him too, but it's hard to square what companies out comes out of his mouth with the jesus i serve. >> they don't sound like they're on the fence, even though the pastor has anecdotal evidence to

the contrary. >> people are not stuck on stupid. when they know truth, when they hear truth, they respond to it. when someone changes positions like he changes socks, it's hard to know, number one who the real donald trump is to begin with, but ultimately, it's not about your personality, it's about your politics. when you push an agent that is opposite to the best interest of people of color in this country, they can sniff that out. >> the pastor was talking about the economy, will turn that around, jobs, so on. >> if donald trump were pushing that agenda that african-americans and other people of color could believe in, the numbers wouldn't be where they are. it's a legitimate question but one we shouldn't waste good fox tv time on because if you pushed an agenda you believe in, the numbers wouldn't be where they are. it's pretty simple to me. >> today, there was disturbing news about mike jackson's estate saying they found a sizable collection of child pornography at his neverland ranch back in 2003, i mean, really dark, dark

stuff. does your book make him into a mythical figure, acknowledge this issue? >> one, i don't believe in myths, number one. no, he's not a mythical figure. number two, our book covers the last 16 weeks of his wife. from the moment he announces "this is it" until he takes his last breath 16 weeks later. i think we get caught up in these personalities that we don't find a way into their humanity. i don't think anything that came out today, he's going to change anybody's mind about michael jackson. whenever you were seven years ago when he died, you're probably in the same place now. i think his fans find it curious as we're about to commemorate the seventh anniversary this stuff just happens to come out and i think his fans will also -- >> i have to go, tavis. >> -- that they lost trust in the -- >> i have to go, (man) oh, looks like we missed most of the show. (woman) and there's no way to restart it. (jon bon jovi) with directv there is. ♪ you see, we've got the power to turn back time ♪

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well, developing information on some potentially bad news for hillary clinton tonight as he hear reports that the clinton foundation was breached by suspected russian hackers. bloomberg quotes a source as saying these hackers are targeting some 4,000 people associated with u.s. politics. there are, of course, then growing concerns the fallout could extend beyond the

clintons. trace gallagher live with me in new york, that's fun, with the latest. >> this breach is being called the drag net of the apparatus, targeting the campaign and democratic and republican national committees. information from the dnc has already been posted online including what "bloomberg" says are names of big donors to the clinton foundation and it appears the clinton foundation, itself, has been breached though tonight the foundation told us, quoting, we have no evidence the clinton foundation's systems were breached and have not been notified by law enforcement of any issue. experts say it's not unusual for targets not to know considering government investigations often use back channels to view attacks before victims can detect them, but this is bad news for the clinton campaign on two fronts. one, donald trump has already said he plans to use clinton foundation activities to attack hillary's campaign, and with the clinton campaign and clinton foundation both being hacked, it dredges up more concerns about hillary clinton's overall digital security. even as the fbi continues to

investigate her e-mails. analyst also point out that if thousands of political documents were breached and eventually posted online, it sets the stage for a major embarrassment like what sony entertainment endured when thousands of e-mails filled with gossip about stars and world leaders went public in 2013. by the way, experts think the russians are behind the latest attack. the russians deny that. megyn? >> the russians have some hacking power. >> they deny they have hacking power. >> well, i mean, i feel like they know more about these candidates than any of us does. >> yeah. >> great to see you. we'll b

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those lockdowns, in case of an emergency say a prayer, they can be fired. does any of this seem wrong to you? facebook.com/thekellythanks for. i'm megyn kelly. tonight, donald trump revamps his campaign to take on hillary clinton. >> we're going to be running a little bit different campaign. >> plus stunning proof that the mainstream media is in the bag for clinton. l laura ingraham and former governor mike huckabee react to it as well. >> looking to be as transparent as possible and provide as much information as possible. >> attorney general loretta lynch faces fresh fallout over the orlando 911 transcript controversy. tucker carlson and austan goolsbee weigh in. >> isil is training and preparing operatives for further attacks. >> hillary clinton ignores warnings from top officials and continues to call for america to take in more refugees. plus some