for more than 40 years, there's been an average of just over two months between a nomination and a hearing. most republicans so far have refused to even meet with mr. garland. they are allowing partisan politics to jeopardize something as fundamental as the impartiality and integrity of our justice system. and america should not let it stand. this is an election year, and during election years politicians tend to use the immigration issue to scare people with words like amnesty in the hopes that it'll whip up votes. keep in mind that millions of us, myself included, go back generations in this country with ancestors put anything the painstaking efforts to become citizens. and we don't like the notion that anyone might get a free pass to american citizenship. but here's the thing, millions of people who have come forward

and worked to get right with the law under this policy, they've been living here for years too. in some cases even decades. so leaving the broken system the way it is, that's not a solution. in fact, that's the real amnesty, pretending we can deport 11 million people or build a wall without spending tens of billions of dollars of taxpayer money is abetting what is really just factually incorrect. it's not going to work, and it's not good for this country. it's a fantasy that offers nothing to help the middle class and demeans our tradition of being both a nation of laws and a nation of immigrants. in the end, it is my firm belief that immigration is not something to fear. we don't have to wall ourselves off from those who may not look like us right now or pray like we do or have a different last name because being an american

is about something more than that. what makes us americans is our shared commitment to an ideal, that all of us are created equal, all of us have a chance to make of our lives what we will. and every study shows whether it was the irish or the poles or the germans or the italians or the chinese or the japanese or the mexicans or the kenyans, whoever showed up over time by second generation, third generation, those kids are american. they do look like us, because we don't look one way. we don't all have the same last names. but we all share a creed, and we all share a commitment to the values that founded this nation. that's who we are. and that is, what i believe,

most americans recognize. so here's the bottom line. we've got a very real choice that america faces right now. we will continue to implement the existing programs that are already in place. we're not going to be able to move forward with the expanded programs that we wanted to move forward on because the supreme court was not able to issue a ruling at this stage. and now we've got a choice about who we're going to be as a country, what we want to teach our kids and how we want to be represented in congress and in the white house. we're going to have to make a decision about whether we are a people who tolerate the hypocrisy of a system where the workers who pick our fruit or make our beds never have the chance to get right with the law or whether we're going to give them a chance, just like our forebearers had a chance to give

their kids a better future. we're going to have to decide whether we're people who accept the cruelty of ripping children from their parents' arms and whether we actually value families and keeping them together for all of our communities. we're going to have to decide whether we're going to continue to educate our children and then send them away to compete against us or whether we encourage them to stay and create new jobs and businesses right here in the united states. these are all the questions that voters now are going to have to ask themselves and are going to have to answer in november. these are the issues that are going to be debated by candidates across the country both congressional candidates as well as the presidential candidates. and in november americans are going to have to make about what we care about and who we are. i promise you this though, sooner or later immigration reform will get done. congress is not going to be able

to igging mother america forever -- ignore america forever. it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. and i can say that with confidence because we've seen our history. we get these spasms of politics around immigration and fear-mongering, and then our traditions and our history and our better impulses kick in. that's how we all ended up here. because i guarantee you at some point every one of us has somebody in our background who people didn't want coming here. and yet here we are. and that's what's going to happen this time. the question is, do we do it in a smart, rational, sensible way, or do we just keep on kick the can down -- kicking the can down the road? i believe this country deserves

an immigration policy that reflects the goodness of the american people, and i think we're going to get that. hopefully, we're going to get that in november. all right? i'll take two questions. >> mr. president -- >> two questions. [inaudible conversations] >> go ahead. >> thank you. realistically, what do you see as the risk of deportation for these more than four million people? you say we can't deport 11 million, and there's a chunk of time here. >> let me be very clear. what was unaffected by today's ruling or lack of a ruling is the enforcement priorities that we put in place. and our enforcement priorities that have been laid out by secretary jeh johnson at the department of homeland security are pretty clear. we prioritize criminals. we prioritize gang bangers. we prioritize folks who have just come in. what we don't do is to prioritize people who have been here a long time who are

otherwise law-abiding, who have roots and connections in their communities. and so those enforcement priorities will continue. the work that we've done with the dream act kids, those policies remain in place. so what this has prevented us from doing is expanding the scope of what we've done with the dream act kids. keep in mind, though, that even that was just a temporary measure. all it was doing was basically saying to these kids you can have confidence that you are not going to be deported, but it does not resolve your ultimate status. that is going to require congressional action. so although i'm disappointed by the lack of a decision today by the supreme court, a deadlock, this does not substantially change the status quo, and it

doesn't negate what has always been the case which is if we're really going to solve this problem effectively, we've got to have congress pass a law. you know, i have pushed to the limits of my executive authority. we now have to have congress act. and hopefully, we're going to have a vigorous debate during this election. this is how our dem can accuracy -- democracy's supposed to work, and there will be a determination as to which direction we go in. as i said, i'm very confident about the direction this country will go in because we've seen this in the past. if we hadn't seen it in the past, america would look very different than it looks today. but whether we're going to get this done now, soon, so that

this does not continue to be this divisive force in our politics and we can get down to the business of all pulling together to create jobs and educate our kids and protect ourselves from exterrible threats -- external threats and, you know, do things that, you know, we need to do to insure a better future for the next generation, you know, that's going to be determined in part by how voters turn out and who they vote for in november, all right? one more question. go ahead, mike. >> two going forward questions. number one, is this going to, are you going to be able to do anything more at all for immigrants going forward in terms of executive action before the election and the next president, and number two, do you in any way take this as some republicans presented this, as a slap at your use of executive

authority in and will this in any way circumscribe how aggressively or forcefully you use executive authority in the remainder of your time in office? >> okay. on the specifics of immigration, i don't anticipate that there are additional executive actions that we can take. we can implement what we've already put in place that is not affected by this decision. but, you know, we have to follow now what has been ruled on in the fifth circuit because the supreme court could not resolve the issue. and we're going to have to abide by that ruling until an election and a confirmation of a ninth justice of the supreme court so that they can break this tie.

because we've always said that we are going to do what we can lawfully through executive action, but we can't go beyond that. and we've butted up about as far as we can on this particular topic. it does not have any impact on, from our perspective, on the host of other issues that we're working on, because each one of these issues has a different analysis and is based on different statutes or different interpretations of our authority. so, for example, on climate change, that's based on the clean air act and the epa and previous supreme court rulings as opposed to a theory of prosecutorial discretion that in the past every other president has exercised x. the supreme court wasn't definitive one way or the other on this. the problem is they don't have a

ninth justice, so that will continue to be a problem. with respect to the republicans, i think what it tells you is that if you keep on blocking judges from getting on the bench, then courts can't issue decisions. and what that means is then you're going to have the status quo frozen, and we're not going to be able to make progress on some very important issues. now, that may have been their strategy from the start, but it's not a sustainable strategy. and it's certainly a strategy that will be are broken by this -- will be broken by this election. unless their basic theory is that we will never confirm judges again. hopefully, that's not their theory, was that's not -- because that's not how our democracy is designed. >> [inaudible] >> it was a one-part opinion that said we can't come up with a decision. i think that'd be a little bit of a stretch. yeah. maybe the next time they can --

if we have a full court issuing a full opinion on anything, then we take it seriously. this we have to abide by it, but it wasn't any kind of value statement or a decision on merits of these issues, all right? thank you, guys. [inaudible conversations] harris: the president talking with the press corps there at the white house about the u.s. supreme court's decision today. they reached a tie, a 4-4, basically blocking what the president had intended to do with regard to some four million people in this country here illegally. they've been here a long time, as he said. his plan through his program would be to shield them from deportation. by the supreme court not being able to reach a definitive decision in a 4-4 tie, what that means is that the president now has been blocked. and you just heard him saying -- that last question was really interesting. first, is this a referendum, mr. president, on the use of your

executive power? the president doesn't think so. we'll discuss it. but it certainly takes anything else off the table. he said at this point he does not see any indication that there is any further executive action that he could take on immigration. so if it doesn't a referendum, it's definitely a stoppage of what the president might want to do going forward without congress, unilaterally on his own executively are. and the bottom line, he said, is his idea to go forth to shield four million from deportation has stopped, but some other things haven't. he talked about dream act that's in place for younger americans born here even though their parents might be here illegally, he says they are shielded under the dream act. he talked more about affirmative action, not necessarily linked to this, but just pointing to some things he was happy about with the supreme court. we'll get into it now with everybody here because this is

"outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today is jedediah bee la, julie roginsky, actress stacey dash and today's #oneluckyguy, anthony scare knewmy. -- scaramucci. you're outnumbered. welcome back. >> who was that guy cutting into our air time? [laughter] harris: let's jump right in with executive action. >> yep. well, listen, that's been -- that's going to be the historical record of president obama, that he couldn't get along with the congress, didn't have enough liaisons up at the hill, and so he tried to do it on his own. i think if justice scalia were here, it wouldn't have just gone back to the old court. listen, he's going to stay the course. he also said he's not going to deport these people under his watch, so this will be decided by the next american president. harris: we're going to go to our reporter to break it down, and we'll come back to this issue.

u.s. supreme court correspondent shannon bream is live now from the supreme court. boy, it has been an interesting day, shannon. >> reporter: it has. there was another case on the use of affirmative action in higher education that was essentially a win for them, but this one a big loss for them. yes, it's essentially a nondecision. and what we have right now in the toughth circuit -- fifth circuit is, basically, an injunction, a nationwide injunction against all of these deferral programs the president had put into place and extension of some of those programs is on hold. so we still could see a decision on the merits, but for now it's on hold. that's not going to change. it will very much probably fall to the next president. we immediately saw press releases from the candidates talking about how important this issue is to the election. but what the court did, we can guess how they voted, but essentially what they've done is leave it to the lower court.

what the fifth circuit said is that they were directly in conflict with current immigration law. essentially, the president can't go around and change the law, go around congress without doing something administratively. there are all kinds of different ways he could have done this, but you heard him say what he's been saying, he was left no choice but to act unilaterally, and that's why he did so. the courts see it as separation of powers, believe the president stepped over his constitutional boundary, and these programs aren't going anywhere. harris: you know, shannon, i heard the president sort of point to a reason why this may have happened this way. he kept talking about his supreme court nominee, merrick garland, and the fact that they had not moved ahead, the congress, on this and that's why he sees a non-decision which is blocking his program that he wants to the take forward. >> reporter: yeah, it's all about who that ninth justice is. if justice scalia were sitting on this court today, it's likely

they would have lost outright. but, yes, that's what we're hearing from people unhappy about this decision, they say it's a further argument for them that the president's nominee should be seated so decisions will be 5-4 splits or majority splits so the court are reach a financial substantive decision. harris: shannon bream, thank you very much. this is huge. and what we were saying as the president was talking, the question i asked, julie, was had this gone forward, could thive on par legacy why for president obama as obamacare? julie: it would have been huge for the five million people affected by this now. what's interesting is this is the same thing obama himself said he wasn't sure he had the constitutional authority to do a few years ago and then changed his mind and went forward with it. so to me, what's fascinating about this is is it does put the onus on congress if they want to have some sort of immigration reform to get it done, that the president does not have executive authority to do this. it strikes me that the fact the

president tremendously overstepped his bounds by putting out laws that the congress, it wasn't the purview of the congress. i assume if justice calea had been there, shannon was right, he would have voted it down. i'm curious if merrick garland would have agreed as well. harris: that's fascinating. >> i'm curious as to whether he does, of course, i don't think he does have authority to do this, though i love the merits of the bill. harris: and you support the president. but it's interesting, not when he's going against the law. julie: again, i'm not a lawyer, but there are certain aspects of things that though i'd love to see passed into law i understand are extra-legal when it comes to executive authority the president might have. harris: extra-legal. >> well, that could be his legacy, right? it could be an extra-legal presidency. he's done it a few times. this was the more significant time, at least on the immigration. this is the kind of stuff that you have a representative democracy for. let's hash it out in the congress.

way better. harris: stacey, i want to get your idea about how plays in the election now. stacey: well, this just goes to show how important it is for our next supreme court justice, the choice. that's going to determine where our country goes. and that's why i believe trump is the right guy, because i know he'll pick the right guy for this country. and for immigration. and, you know, he talked about immigration being talked about through history and the past and nothing being done about it. now we've got a guy who says i'm going to do something about it. let's deal with. it might not be pretty, but it has to be dealt with. >> hats for all you guys, but i didn't think you would wear them -- stacey: and one more thing is hillary clinton wants to allow -- i like the way he just pointed out basically, you know, garden pickers, vegetable pickers and people who clean houses. he didn't talk about syrian refugees or people who could be terrorists, you know? those are people that could come

in the country as well. harris: you mentioned hillary clinton, so i want to go right there. moments before the president spoke, the u.s. democrat -- who is the presumptive nominee of his party -- said that the supreme court decision on texas immigration, because texas was really at the heart of this, right? on that case is unacceptable. jed jed she's going to have to stand by him on this, and you're going to use the emotional card. president obama talks about how immigration is not something to fear, and he conflates legal immigration with illegal immigration and paints it out everyone who would oppose his use of executive fiat and the idea that somehow he can make the laws, interpret the laws and just do whatever he wants, as julie said, you know, i support what he's saying, but i don't support the way he's going about it. he paints us all as one group as people who oppose -- no, no, we support legal immigration, but we are a country of laws, and you can't talk about being a country of laws and in the same breath, contradict the law.

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harris: fox news alert now, disorder ine house. we have now just passed the

24-hour mark of an historic sit-in stopping congress in its tracks. democrats saying they will not budge until republicans allow a vote on tougher gun laws in the wake of the orlando nightclub shooting. although those guns were purchased legally. scenes rarely seen in the halls of congress, democrats shouting down the speaker of the house. >> house will be in order. the chair wishes to make an announcement regarding the decorum in the house chamber. harris: just to let you know, cameras are turned off, and even so with that democrats have been using cell phones to stream their protests on social media. and we can show you just one now, i believe this is mr. o'rourke's facebook page, facebook live. leading the charge, civil rights icon, congressman john lewis w. here he is. >> we're not giving up the fight. the fight is an ongoing fight. we will not be happy, we will

not be satisfied, we will not be pleased until we do something in a major way. make a major down payment on ending gun violence in america. harris: speaker paul ryaning is blasting the protest. we have this from the wisconsin republican just moments ago. >> i do worry about the -- [inaudible] i have an obligation as the speaker of the house to protect this institution. we are the oldest democracy in the world. we are the ball os of the world of free people x so when we see our democracy descend in this way, it is not a good sign. we have rules, we have order, we have a system where democracy is supposed to work its way out in a deliberative, respectful way. no, i did not expect that, because i think what we did was

we watched a publicity stunt, a fundraising stunt. harris: very worried about the precedent that this sets and with emotions boiling over when texas republican louie gohmert confronted the democrats right on the house floor. watch. >> radical islam kills -- [inaudible conversations] harris: there's more. off camera congressman gohmert and a democrat congresswoman whose district includes the pulse nightclub in orlando had to be separated. wow. as we come out to the couch, i mean, obviously, jedediah, the emotions are high. but what's at stake here really? jedediah: this doesn't surprise me, because this gun control issue has been boiling over for a long time. every time there's a shooting, you see democrats want to seize on a political opportunity.

they see an opportunity to get people excited about this issue, hoping people are watching at home, and they scream gun control, and they don't explain to people that the things they're fighting for wouldn't have helped in any of these instances. they're just hoping people are somehow going to hear the argument that less guns would somehow equate with less crime even though that statistically is not proven to be true. and this doesn't surprise me. i think a lot of people, particularly those who aren't plugged into politics all the time, look at this and say are these the people we're trusting these issues to? they look like a bunch of lunatics. paul ryan is right. there has to be some order in this chaos. there has to be some respect for the way the process goes down. and you can't use trial judges to seed -- tragedies to seize on political opportunities to make a point. that's just not what we should be made of as a society. it's a bad example for what we should be doing here. let's address the problems. let's address the no-fly list, background checks at gun shows, let's address things that we can

come together on. but if you're going to try to score political points right now when people are dying and these measures would not have prevented that, there's something very twisted about that. harris: that is really the key, because the guns that were purchased were purchased legally in orlando. >> the question is, though, how are you going to reduce the killings? prime minister of australia did adapt some standards in australia that have reduced mass killings. and so maybe these clips can be sold with less ammunition in them, maybe there's something that we can do. what i don't like about the current situation is that there's an ideological righteousness to both sides, and i think we've got to come together finally with best practices. why? why not just go with an idea that's going to reduce the violence, harris? harris: you know, paul ryan said that this is something unprecedented, he has never seen anything like the publicity, the fundraising stunt, he called it a stunt by democrats. stacey: yes.

that's all it is. so uncivilized. i've never seen anything so uncivilized in my life. in the house chamber, i mean, to behave that way. and these are the people that are supposed to be representing you. fighting for you, okay? but this is our second amendment. they want to put more laws, and they think that's going to stop bad people? no. that's just going to stop good people from being able to defend themselves. that's all it's going to do. julie: it is actually not unprecedented. the republicans pioneered this in 2008 where they had a sit hundred -- stacey: were they screaming and shouting? julie: as a matter of fact, they were. it was about gas prices. secondly -- [inaudible conversations] secondly -- stacey: but it doesn't make it right. julie: i absolutely agree with you, we should come together. universal background checks. the vast majority of gun owners agree on this. nobody's doing anything about it. harris: so, julie, i think the fact of the matter is, it's the timing. it doesn't apply tapestry wise -- julie: never a good time for --

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the general election? >> i feel like we did entire segment two weeks ago, with pete hegseth on the couch and i bet pete this would last 24 hours. he owes me a buck. every time donald trump reads from prompter, this is third or fourth time is this new donald trump. he cams out that makes the anthony scaramuccis of the world to raise money. >> wasn't hard this week. >> what happens after the next attack and next mexican judge? >> julie. >> it is true. he doesn't know how to control himself. if he were to do every day what he did today or yesterday, anthony's job would be a lot easier. the problem for him he is not in control of this kind of situation. >> first of all he doesn't like the teleprompter because he finds it boring. people tell him being presidential, that is code word being another politician. what we have to do, you have to strike the balance who he is as a person and what we have to get done as a nation. i think we'll do that over the

next three to six months. >> good luck. >> you will be very disappointed in november. maybe pete owes you a dollar. what will happen here over the next six months you will see somebody that will forge a coalition of republicans and independents to take back the white house. jedediah: anthony, talk to me a little bit about the money. a lot of people are saying this is huge issue for him. they are questioning whether or not he will put his own money on the table if it requires it? how big -- >> he put money on the table. forgiven the $50 million loan. he is not looking to get money back. we raised 11 plus million dollars over last two days. let me tell you about him. he will do more with list. he killed off 16 candidates with 5million dollars. >> that is primary. that is primary. >> took her $183 million to knock off bernie sanders. harris: he is still there. >> 74-year-old socialist. he is still there.

he will do more with less. it is a primary. this is different rnc than in 2012. they are manned up and training with a great field operation. reince priebus, who should be secretary of state for dealing with those 17 crazies has done a phenomenal job as chairman of the republican party. jedediah: you're part of the financial team, is he worried about this? is donald trump worried about finances. >> not at all. he gave a speech at chiriani's. we'll do more with less. see body language. julie is worried. sandra: i'm laughing -- >> tenseness of body language. >> there is no tenseness. i'm laughing. i'm not worried. harris: if you don't mind to julie, you know, what she is doing though kind of is out of the democrat playbook and it worked for them so far. it is wait until donald trump says something and try to pounce on it. yesterday, he gave a bigger challenge to your party.

>> he didn't because if you actually fact check everybody he would say, today and others did, everything he said was subject to fact check most of it didn't add up. the problem for him, when he is pressed on specifics, when he is pressed to back up what he says, he goes off the rails. this is not disciplined candidate. one thing i will say any political professional will tell you, republican, democrat, that you can not abide undisciplined candidate. harris: we fact checked hillary clinton. >> i will make a bet with julie after the show. >> one dollar. >> peter, pay your bet for you today, bro. jedediah: our own catherine herridge asking loretta lynch directly. wait until you see her answer. ♪ ♪

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♪ jedediah: welcome back. attorney general loretta lynch refusing to say who made the decision to remove references from isis and its leader from a

911 transcript from a call involving the orlando nightclub shooter. when pressed by fnc's catherine herridge at a news conference the nation's top law enforcement official appeared to dodge the question. take a listen. >> whose idea was it to edit the 911 transcript? >> well in the review that was being done in terms of making those available, the goal is of course the greatest transparency possible. the initial thought was we did not want to provide a further platform for the propaganda of the killer. >> my question is who, where did the idea originate? was it yourself, the fbi director or locals? >> i'm not going into the details of the process behind it jedediah: fascinating. stacy, please talk to me about transparency and accountability and all that good stuff? >> this administration has not been transparent, they have not been accountable for anything. this is islamic fascism now here on our soil. they killed the lgbtq community because the way they live.

freedom they have. this is the only country that they can have that freedom. with donald trump as president, that freedom we will fight for it. that is not working. they're winning. jedediah: do you think accountability will come on this point from the administration or same old repeat? >> same old thing. same old thing. like what we'll talk about next. jedediah: anthony, you think someone on high over at president's a reason florida would be aware of decisions like this? does that make sense to you? >> if you study all it up it could make sense. there is consistent practice of it. typically you know from the italian-american community the fish stinks from the head down. so i sort of think this has come from the administration. harris: which you're pointing to are 50 analysts came back with intel exactly how our fight was going against the islamic state savages. what you're pointing to james rosen's questions to the state department about the iran deal somehow got edited out eight

minutes. loretta lynch is on dicey ground. she is handling important investigations. one potentially, fbi is putting that together, but should reach the doj with hillary clinton's secret server. she has to be careful. she might garner more respect and looked at reporter, yeah, i made that decision. that was me. move on. but instead they're going to try to backtrack and kind of, that, that when it starts to look like something nefarious. just deal with it. jedediah: the obama administration, julie taken so much heat from media, critics, saying you don't handle this risk aggressive enough in terms of defining it and willing to call terrorism what it is and hold isis accountable. this kind of omission does not help them in that case. so i mean would this come from the top? this would be a poor decision in my opinion in terms of having them look like they're taking it seriously. >> i don't know about them not taking it seriously. i think it was a poor decision.

we're all adults, right? we're entitled to hear what the transcript said. 911 call is always released or typically released. so why wouldn't we an able to hear exactly what it said. i understand the rationale she put forward. i don't happen to agree with it. i disagree with it primary to be treated like adult and make my own decisions and motivation what was coming from. i don't need anything censored. there was nothing in that phone call, there was nothing in that phone call in any way, shape or form related to national security that we shouldn't hear because of somehow violates our national security. protocols. so as a result i want to hear it. they should have released it. jedediah: good point. we're all adults. tell us the truth. american sailors captured by iran earlier this year could now face disciplinary action after an investigation finds them at fault. are they being thrown under the bus? we'll talk about it next. ♪

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♪ harris: it was a mess. that's how one official is describing to fox news the capture of 10 u.s. sailors earlier this year by iran. remember their boat had drifted into iranian waters. the sailors were held overnight and released next day, not before iranians had videotape

photograph their detention in humiliating fashion and air it on state television. u.s. navy investigation is over and military officials are recommending displain any ray action against our own people. they call it a poorly planned operation with no chain of command. we can go farther than that we're getting this word. the navy commander in charge of two u.s. navy boats that strayed into the waters that led to capture of 10 sailors for 1 of hours, relieved of his command, likely putting end to his career after the navy's top officer released a long-awaited report about the events. anthony, your thoughts? >> i spent a lot of time with these guys. i'm on the board of business executives for national security so there could be something else going on there other than this incident. knowing the due process as i do in the pentagon, in that judiciary process, you're not getting all the information, harris.

if it is just related to this, boy, there is political firestorm ahead, but my guess is understanding military way i do there is probably something more to it. harris: when these things happen it would be, i think, politically healing for the nation if the powers that be at the top like the president would at least acknowledge the capitulation that our soldiers were in with guns drawn on their knees. which now has been turned into a statue for the iranian people in their country. at least acknowledge that no matter what the investigation may find. jedediah: it was humiliating t turns into iranian propaganda so you're right. i think you're right, if you in the same breath acknowledge that and sort of talked about how disgraceful it was and how you will not allow our sailors to be subjected to that. at same time, sure you can talk about, there was potential communication failure. there were shortcomings with maintenance, training. if those things are going on, of course you have to investigate it. if something is found, you have to, hold people accountable to

make sure this doesn't happen again. >> talking about the humiliation factor -- >> sailors. jedediah: i don't know what people in command. harris: that's true. what were you going to say, anthony? >> talking about the humiliation factor and pomtics of it. i'm more troop focused. what happened to the guys is disgraceful. we need to understand what happened. if someone needs to get let go -- >> iranians go into international waters and taunt us to get us to do something all the time. >> you want the president to denounce what they did. some people are up set about that. >> the question, we don't know the details, but where in the chain of command does the buck stop with someone. we have entire code of military justice for that reason. if the sailors are being prosecuted potentially, being relieved of command are people didn't follow what the military code of justice dictate they follow or whatever protocol in the military i, incumbent upon

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harris: got good during the commercial. showing us the little scaramuccis. pictures on the phone. >> young nick. your mom is about to cut your hair. start running. harris: hair is down to here. he is gorgeous. looks like you.

>> young nick, there he is. harris: great to have you today. we had a lot going on. a lot of breaking news. you will be back with us tomorrow as well. see you tomorrow. stay here for "outnumbered overtime" on the web. now, "happening now."