watters' world from miami beach. that is it for tonight. no -- we thank you for watching. always remember the spin stops right here. we're looking out for you. breaking tonight, a country >> breaking tonight a country on alert as we hear new warnings about the risk of an attack on the homeland weeks after the horror of orlando. welcome to a kelly file special, terror in america. i'm megyn kelly. less than one day after terrorists killed 42 and wounded more than 200 others at one of the world's busiest airports, the cia director answered questions on the record and said he would not be surprised if something similar happened here and soon. while the attack in turkey involved sophisticated coordination and planning, america just experienced a terror attack of its own in orlando, florida. and saw the kind of horror that can be unleashed when one man

inspired by terror teachings goes after a soft target like a nightclub where no one saw it com co coming. that was the latest reminder. from san bernardino to the pulse nightclub in florida. it's evolving. the only constant is the hatred for the american way of life. is this our new normal? do we have to just live with it? we wanted to have a serious conversation. so we put together one of the most powerful lineup of guests ever. including people who literally came face to face with some of these terrorists, and you'll meet them in a moment. first, tonight trace gallagher gets us up to speed on the threat. trace? >> reporter: in may an audio recording thought to be from isis surfaced online calling for attacks during the muslim holy month of ramadan which ends july 35 5th.

on june 12th when mateen opened fire in orlando killing 49, he pledged allegiance to isis. some witnesses said they had gay relationships with him, but the fbi now says there is no evidence to support that. there is also no sign the fbi has immediate plans to arrest mateen's wife in connection with shooting. in fact, the attorney general acknowledged last week that she does not know her current location, but orlando marks the seventh terror attack on u.s. soil since president obama took office. in 2009, a man opened fire on an army recruiting office in arkansas, killing one soldier, wounding another. he converted to islam as a teen, claimed he was affiliated with al qaeda and called the shooting a jihadi attack. also in a sawn opened fire at

fort hood killing 14 and wounding more. he claimed allegiance to the taliban but later said he wanted to become a member of the islamic state. in april 2013, the tsarnaev brothers bombed the boston marathon, killing three, wournding hundreds. two police officers died during the man hunt. they said they were motivated by extremist islamic beliefs and learned how to build bombs from an al qaedaing a dean. in 2015. two men opened fire in texas. the suspects were quickly shot and killed by police but isis claimed responsibility. in july, 2015 al qaeda follower muhammad went on a shooting rampage in chattanooga killing five military members. and last december husband and wife killed 14 at the inland

regional center in san bernardino. isis immediately claimed responsibility. >> thank you, trace. with terror again dominating the headlines we wanted to discuss the threat, and the answers. with a group of people who could bring a unique perspective to the issue. this time we wanted to not only talk with folks from muslim communities. we decided to reach out to folks who have lived it. joining us on our special panel tonight, we are honored to have with us the hero of fort hood. the civilian police officer who killed the shooting spree when she shot aim hen was injured. >> also staff sergeant shoot seven times including once in the head along with sergeant shawn manning who was also shot multiple times and went on to be a vocal critic of the obama for

describing this attack as workplace violence. rosa lianetti is with us. she lost her brother-in-law on 9/11. joe connor lost his father in the 1970s to terrorists and watched in horror from across the street as his cousin died in the trade towers. some of you may recognize patience carter. she was a hostage during the pulse nightclub terror attack in orlando a couple of weeks ago. shot twice, her friend died next to her on the bathroom floor during the stand off. also with patience during this nightmare in pulse nightclub was tierra parker. she was shot once. it was her cousin who died on the floor next to her during the stand off. sergeant robert bart let was severely injured by ie eds while on duty in iraq, and karl hig by. a navy s.e.a.l. with a different perspective, we

have iman, hamad auk maude. he argues extremists don't practice the true faith. theresa hubble represents security moms. brinlt gabriel survived an attack in lebanon. a defense attorney specializing in civil rights. and an islamic attorney. we have the former nyc police commissioner who oversaw the new york response to 9/11. we have the communications director for the muslim community. we have a civil rights attorney and noted expert on national security. we have the president of the council on pakistan u.s. relations. and the former agent with the fbi. we have a harvard fellow in islamic studies.

and a former nyp detective. we have a republican muslim who worked with the bush administration and with the rnc. we have a writer and activist who. we have a muslim writer. and we have a muslim convert. that is our panel with us tonight. thank you all so much for being here. grateful to have you. let's start with the status of terror today in america. and for that, i'm going to start with our two guests who were in the pulse nightclub. i'll ask you something that so many people have said to me over the past couple of weeks which is can you believe how quickly it has faded from the national conversation? >> i think something like this shouldn't be tooken as a trend. it's not a trend. this is an issue that america is facing. there's actual people out the who want to kill americans and we have to deal with the issue. because people are afraid to deal with it, they brush over it

because people are scared. we have to face it or more things like this will happen. >> kimmerly, you shot the terrorist in fort hood. what is your take on it as somebody who has stood face to face with a terrorist and taken him down? >> i think all the terrorist attacks do not need to go in the back door and in the back page of any headline, whatsoever. whether it happened two weeks ago, two years ago or almost seven years ago for us. i think the community needs to continue to be educated on the threat that will not go away. as soon as we let our guard down, it's going to continue to happen and even possibly worse. i also think now we're forging into a new mentality of how do we respond as victims of a potential terrorist attack. what do you do? we've always kind of juggled with in our school systems, how

do we teach our children instead of staying in and being a target to fight if it needs to be. and all the terrorist attacks have taken place, and if it's on a military post, those soldiers are trained to if it's in a club where you're trying to enjoy yourself, they're not. >> i want to ask you j very jenlt. i know you have suffered greatly, physically, and you spoke with me a couple years ago about some ptsd and what it did to you being shot so many times. when you see something like this happen in orlando or what we saw in istanbul, does it bring it back for you? >> it does. it brings back the actual event that happened that day to us in 20 09, but also it makes one wonder what are we going to do to minimize the blow that these terrorists are doing to us on our own soil? and years ago we talked about soft targets, hard targets and soft targets. they're identifying soft targets

because of the psychological effect it has on americans. what we need to do, many in my opinion, is work closely between military and law enforcement so we're speaking the same language. we need to practice response times. we don't need to necessarily identify large cities. we need to look at small town america as well. that's where the soft targets are. >> do you feel like they've given up on that? the messaging in recent days has been this is something that in modern day america we may have to learn to live with. because we can't find all of the threats. >> well, we can find the threats, but i think a lot of the censorship going on where americans see it and hear its, but they don't know what it feels like. and this panel is going to answer a lot of those questions. they're given from all of us who have been there, who know what it feels like and who have been on the front line. so they can understand what we

need to do to strengthen our nation as a whole. >> i know you've been saying the first thing we need to do is call it what it is which is not workplace violence in the case of ford hoot hood. when you see that, what -- you lived it. for us it's b roll we put on a screen. fort hood, that was terrible, and then we move on. >> yeah. i mean, it's sickness. it's become so common place that we just kind of accepted it. that's not good for me. i think we need to try to do something about it rather than gloss over it and think this is normal and -- or focus on things we shouldn't be focussed onto misfocus on the problems. >> how frustrating is it for you? to have had the attack on your life, misidentified for so long? >> extremely frustrating. it took them five years to say it was a domestic terrorist attack. that's ridiculous based on the facts. they knew from day one it was a

terrorist attack. they refused to acknowledge it. it seems like the attacks, they try to reframe it into another narrative to try to avoid talking act the different things. >> what did you think in orlando when they scrubbed the reports of this terrorist pledging allegiance to awe law. they changed that to god. >> they're trying to misfocus the public and try to create a narrative that isn't factual. >> rosa, you suffered a loss in 9/11. >> my niece just graduated from high school here in manhattan and is going to boston college. when i look around, i don't see my father, and i see my sister crying have a years later. i'm angry. we'd rather be politically correct at this point than call

it what it is and pander to the political correctness for votes, for power. 15 years later, we have learned absolutely nothing. >> joe, you've been involved even the victim of and had somebody you loved in two terrorist attacks. >> yep. >> in the united states. >> yes. >> have we made any progress? when you look at how we're handling it now? >> it's an interesting point. i'd say we talk about political correctness. it used to be a nuisance. it's a noose now. it's killing us. it's around our necks. i think that's one thing most americans have learned. i'm not sure the government has learned it. i think we have to understand that. when my father was murdered in 1975, it was a puerto rican terrorist group. they went to prison for a long time. until 1999 when it was expedient for the clintons to release the terrorists. they did. so hillary clinton was involved in the release when she was

running for senator for new york. we're still seeing some of that now. you look at what happened with benghazi. you look at how terrorism has been used for politics. and what you said is in a lot of ways we've learned nothing. and it's very frustrating to me. i mean, as a 9/11 family member, and i witnessed the attacks. my cousin was murdered and my father who was his god father was murdered, a generation before. you know, i see that we did come together for a while after 9/11, and we went to war to avenge that attack. and then look at what happened with my father, and we released those terrorists, and it was all for political reasons. i still struggle with this dichotomy between how we fought oh war on one hand but how we pander and give in to the politics on the other. it's disgraceful.

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reminder of how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people in a school or in a house of worship or a movie theater or in a nightclub. and we have to decide if that's the kind of country we want. >> we stand with you to say that the good in this world far outeigh outeight weighs the evil, and that our most effective response to terror and hatred is compassion, unity, and its love. >> we want to bring back the panel. let's pick up with loretta lynch said at the end. anybody have any thoughts? >> passion and love, they're talking about loving the very people that are trying to tear us down. we need to look at it on multiple fronts. one of the fronts is we have to be willing to fight the enemy with force and wage a social war. 10 % of muslims are radicalized. 20 % are willing to live in our

customs, but there's 70% who are unwilling to report the vest in their friend or the radicalization of anyone they know. we have to fight it on all these fronts. it's not done on love. >> it's interesting hearing made up statistics. 10%? 20% aren't willing to report? you can talk about criticizing political correctness. that's a bumper sticker. there's a slogan. that's not a strategy. that's not a plan, and the notion that take omar mateen. this was a racist homo phobic domestic abuser with serious mental health user. >> that describes most of the terrorists. they're all the things you said. >> that's fine, but where does he end up?

he ends up as a juvenile intake officer in the department of corrections. were they too political correct? then he works for one of the world's largest private security agencies. this is not a single problem where you attack muslims or demand a whole community come out in a daily denunciation. >> one of the conversations lost here is mateen was within abuser. those who are abusers will become further violence. >> are you drawing a line between the fact that he was a radical islamic terrorist and aboused his wife. >> i'm saying what we have in america is a country where the leading cause of injury to women is domestic violence. >> let me get one of the victims of his attack to respond to you.

>> it doesn't matter if you show a person love or not. you can show somebody all the love in the world. that doesn't change his actions. what he's done was a terrorist attack. i'm not saying that it's -- it's something against muslims or anything like that. however, he still -- he still acted as a terrorist. that's what he did. >> he's a terrorist, and there's no one doubting that. if you doubt that, you're delusional. there's no doubt he was a terrorist. to the comment on what love and compassion and education can do. if we use them to train our youth and focus on our youth, when we're talking act how to end terrorism, it doesn't happen with more bombs and guns. it happens by getting to the youth sooner and younger and creating a narrative for tolerance earlier on. >> one terrorist who claims to be a muslim is one too many. the solution here is to look at a proven model versus shallow theories. >> how is this applied?

are you telling muslims they need to be this kind of muslim? that doesn't sound productive. >> we've launched a true islam campaign. we've looked at the points they're using to radicalize the terrorists. and we're showing counterpoints. >> you need to go to the mosques and get them to repeat it. >> and i'll bet they've not responded. you're the minority. what we have is muslim mosques in america radicalizes, and they're not reporting it. when we talk about the issue of terrorism, you have the gentleman in the back, the perfect excuse of how he can hijack a conversation about terrorism to make it about women and the guy was an abuser and that's why he did what he did. >> we have the largest muslim community, over 100 sites, 07 mosques in america that are wide open, police, law enforcement, we're open. >> the majority of mosques in

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next to me. we talked about sharia law. that's abuse of women. you get the president talking about gun control. the guys in boston didn't use guns. they used pressure cookers. it's a value. they want americans dead. what we have to do is educate the younger muslims that this is not the way to go. >> bill daily, go ahead, foreignform former fbi. >> what's driving them? they're being influenced, inspired by active participation, by isis and al k kied to try to draw them in. they don't care about their problems. they want to act out in their behalf. they don't have to meet them or talk to them. they inspire them. and that is the issue. we have people out there, in isis and al qaeda who are reaching out to these people -- >> and the anwar al awlaki

videos, he's dead and he's influencing the next generation of terrorists. >> exactly. people are doing it from afar, and we need to stop it. >> these people are that are gunning people down aren't following things. what's the problem? the problem is the true message of islam isn't getting to them. i think it's a challenge with the media. the media all they portray is isis, taliban. they don't portray what muslims are really doing in america. what muslims are doing arnold t around the world. >> sergeant bartlet, you were wounded. you put your life on the line to fight terrorism for this country. your thoughts on the dialogue we're having right now? >> i think some great points were made. they were talking about education. we need to educate. the problem is education that we're fighting, you look at iran or any of these countries where these radical regimes are pushing the message.

they're saying death to america, jews, christian, anybody who isn't following islam and following their version of islam. they've killed their own people, and they do it often. now they're killing us. how do you combat that. we combat entire regimes pushing that message. it's not just a small band of isis members. it's a very large regime pushing these things out. >> go ahead, karl. >> these are nice ideas. we want to fight it through education and domestic abuse. that's fine. right now we know that 100% of the terrorist i shot in the face didn't get back up and commit terrorist attacks. if we have to go to their country to do it to protect the homeland, i'm willing to sign back up. >> probably more than half of the people here started out with the problem is. all right? the biggest problem is we don't have a long term strategy. we know exactly what the problems are. this administration has no

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>> after we learned omar mateen stopped in the middle of the attack to pledge his allegiance to the islamic state. some in the muslim community realized they would be again called onto explain how folks get radicalized. more than 200 muslims including dozens of sclars issued a joint statement. that did not satisfy system of the critics. let's go to the panel. this goes back to the discussion on whether these beliefs are

baked into the islamic state. >> i studied the koran for seven years. nowhere does it condone killing of an innocent human being. it says killing one person is equal to killing all of humanity. >> how do we expand the brand beyond? >> that's a great question. where knob muslims need to understand what the koran says so when the extremists use them, 97% of the people killed by the extremists are muslims. it's about extremists killing for their own ideology. and the counterideology, that if we present -- >> all of them were muslim extremists. >> they were. >> you don't deny -- this is where people get upset. if you deny that that is a real problem in the country. we saw -- these people in the front row, their relatives died in the twin towers that were not knocked down by radical muslims.

>> i've had family members die. lots of muslims have family members die from this. it's a terrible thing. i can empathize. what i can also tell you is unless you separate -- i would tell the administration today until you separate the extremists from the religion -- >> this administration is doing that. >> go ahead. >> when someone is killing one, he's doing it in the name of his god, and that's extreme islam. and that's the fact. and when we start covering it up, there are good people, but we have to try to get the good people to turn the bad people. >> when the interpretation of groups like isis are effective at recruiting, they're also effective because these people are excluded politically, socially economically. we know that's part of the conversation. when presidential candidates say we should ban entire communities from entering the united states, we are feeding into that fear. we are feeding into that process which is equally a problem. >> what about that? the studies have shown as we saw

in orlando that too often it's second generation americans who the parents do fine because they have their culture of origin, but the second generation don't do well because they feel ostracized and disliked. >> as a convert growing up, i grew up in the south. i know plenty of christians, people that claimed jesus is the greatest and they're sitting there and saying they are christians and they live by that standard in the bible, and yet we see people in those areas -- i grew up watching people beat somebody of a different color. i saw somebody beat somebody because of their sexual preference. then they're saying you're against this, and it's coming out with a christian iedeology n that case. i saw that. >> but an entire group of people that -- go ahead, joe. no, this is joe in the front. >> that doesn't even make sense. we see states j islamic states murdering homo sexuals and

stoning people who have affairs. it's part of the state culture. >> is it a false equivalent? >> it's ridiculous. one guy going out and beating somebody is a terrible thing, but the state making it a policy that they're stoning adulterers, that's a different thing all together. >> why can't you have both ideas in your head. islam is a peace loving religion but that it can be krumted to a place that's radical and dangerous? >> there's no problem, ever -- you know, when the tea party was up and coming, they had no problems throwing out -- throwing the tea party under the bus and calling them racist. why can't they call it what it is? how do you fight something that you can't call out? you need to call it out. you need to stop thinking about this and your bumper sticker is bleeding all over the place. spare me. >> i agree with you.

we toss out the word political correctness. that's the problem. we exclude his pledge to isis during the attack. we exclude hassan being able to go up in his own free will and announce his pledge to at the time was the taliban, and then he switched over to isis, whatever is the going factor at the time. and we suppressed that information. that information is not put out to the public because it's politically sensitive. >> what do you think of the push on guns? i'm curious. >> it's a different story. they can throw that out there on every serious terrorist attack out there. that's not the problem. he was on a watch list. he shouldn't have been able to buy a weapon. that's plane and simple. but that's not the solution. because they're going to get the weapons. they're going to get the pressure cookers, whatever they want to get to accomplish the goal. >> go ahead. i've got to go, but you go

ahead. >> where the problem lies is you look at the young future leaders. just like they were saying that these kids don't have anything to look up to because our administration has failed. because the economics, because of how they are teaching our kids. they're spending more time teaching our kids to pass tests than the values to make this country great. then saying the islamics when they going to kill people, they only looking for muslims to kill. when we got hit, they asked him if you were muslim or christian or jewish. he just started shooting and even when we was having the trial, he said it's god's will. we got to call it what it is. you got to grab the stake by the head and kill it. i've never seen anybody in a fight fighting nice. change the rules of engagement.

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we mentioned earlier there has now been seven successful terror attacks carried out in u.s. since president obama took office. or about one per year. omar mateen is the 103rd isis supporter to be arrested or killed on u.s. soil. some 800 isis linked investigations in all 50 states. our panel is back with us now. that's chilling. i want to get to karen. she's been raising her hand. your thoughts on it? >> we should also mention in

this newtown. we should talk about aurora and the facts that the united states is in the middle of a wave of united states by young mostly men. some of whom are in the same of isis. some aren't. if we keep focusing on how isis in the united states and the middle east is the same thing. i think it's different in the ways it's behaving. we are missing the point. >> theresa. >> gun control has been mentioned. newtown, and orlando were target rich environments. people were not armed. the push from the left to disarm the innocent, the law-abiding like myself, i'm my own security. the government cannot protect us tault at all times. we need to accept it and take personal responsibility for our safety. >> we're losing sight of -- he said what he said, that taliban is in our country. we need to deal with it.

>> omar mateen? >> yes. we need to deal with it as far as prevention and security. what are we doing to protect our american people on our soil? what are we doing? if you met this man or you interview third down person by the fbi, multiple times before this happened, how did he get access to guns? how did he get into the bathroom to kill so many people? >> quickly in the back? >> i understand this is an ideological battle for those being radicalized in the united states. we need to establish the peaceful narrative of islam if we're going to save these people from being radicalized. >> how? >> first of all, the problem i see is we keep fighting the media. we have to united as

americans defeat isis. we have to defeat boko haram. we have to defeat al qaeda and anybody else who in any way wants to harm innocent people whether they're american or otherwise. we need to do that united as americans. and that means all americans whether they're muslim, christian, jewish, or other faith, and you join together. we don't need to divide ourselves. muslims should be on the front line. they are on the front line, especially on the local level. they need to partner with local law enforcement. if they see something, if they see somebody radicalizing, they need to work with law enforcement to stop that before they become violent. if they're getting close to violence, they need to work request law enforcement. that also means not trying to scare the community. that's why this whole idea of surveillance or deporting or locking up people before they're done anything, we need to stay with the constitution as well and adhere to the constitutional principle that made us great as a country. >> i'm going to give sergeant bartlett the last word. >> i think america just needs to make peace with, hey, we're in a 100-year war. that's the reality. the other reality is, you know

what, i've been on your show a couple times. muslims give me a lift to your show, right? they say, i wish the fbi would vet us so they know who we are and that we're not terrorists. so that's saying that a muslim is telling me, hey, we want the fbi to investigate me so that they know i'm a good person. so why aren't we doing that? >> including the mosques. >> it's so hard for some muslims in this country right now, who see the attack in orlando and they say, oh, god, now it's going to come. you know, peace-loving men in particular who say because of the act of this man, now i'm going to be treated like a terrorist. now my son is going to be treated like a terrorist. people who are peace-loving. >> that's where these muslims come in. >> there has to be an understanding on this part that just because you're muslim doesn't mean you want to kill americans. >> go ahead. >> we are speaking up. we're muslim scholars, several

on this stage speaking up and saying nobody defends terrorism. nobody here defends isis. but when we give the logic and rationale of how we can win this war, we have people who don't have a shred of academic integrity that are saying you're lying. we need you on our side to win this war. we can definitely win it. >> maybe if we kill another 2 million iraqis because starting in 1991, with all due respect to my friends in the military, we have been killing iraqis since 1991. we've killed them by the millions, and i hear here they're ready to go skill some more. i don't think that's made us any safer. maybe i'm wrong. maybe if we just kill another 2 million, we'll be a lot safer. >> with all due respect, we have a lot of veterans here today who have served our country honorably and to dismiss their service as wanting to kill iraqis is diminishing, and i would ask you to keep it high level. >> after all of the wars that we fought, after all the iraqis

that have been killed in the name of the united states of america since 1991, all the blood that's been spilled -- no doubt heroically, we are still no safer. so maybe we should start to think of ways of dealing with this that does not directly involve killing more people or having more wars. crazy liberal idea, i know. >> okay. i have to let a veteran respond to that, and then we are going to go. >> the problem is isis sprung up when we stopped going in the area and we stopped killing bad guys in the area. so you can go love them and stick your head in the sand. when they come back to kill your family, i'll be there to back you up. >> obviously it's tough. i mean this is a passionate issue for everyone for obvious reasons. but you guys have been respectful, and i thank you for that. thank you all so much. we'll be right back.

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an important one. and we thank you for watching as well. go to facebook.com/kelly file. let me know what your thoughts are. thank you very much for watching. i'mare. thank you very much for watching. i'm megyn kelly, and this is "the kelly file." ladies and gentlemen, i am officially running for president of the united states, and we are going to make our country great again. >> who's going to pay for the wall? >> we've got to take care of isis, folks. we've got to knock 'em out. we've got to knock 'em ou