sort of firearm they were fired from and whose weapons they belong to. as i mentioned earlier, police officers here suggested to me that processing of the crime scene in dallas could take as long as seven days. i'm shepard smith. our coverage continues throughout the afternoon. "the five" begins now. all i know is that this must stop. this divisiveness between our police and our citizens. we don't feel much support most days. let's not make today most days. please, we need your support. to be able to protect you from men like these who carried out this tragic, tragic event.

>> hello, everyone. there is "the five." that was dallas police chief david brown earlier delivering an emotional plea calling for an end to the violent backlash against law enforcement in america. his force rocked by a night of terror, a sniper shot 12 officers, killing five and injuring seven. two civilians were also wounded. three suspects are in custody but another who police say is the gunman is dead. he was identified as micah johnson, a private first class in the army reserve who served in afghanistan. here's what chief brown says the suspect told police before he was killed. >> the suspect said he was upset about black lives matter. he said he was upset about the recent police shootings. the suspect said he was upset at white people. the suspect stated he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers. >> joining us now with the latest from dallas, fox news

correspondent, can you catch us up on the latest? >> sure, dane yachlt number one, this much of downtown dallas will remain a crime scene for the next five days until wednesday. we just heard from the police department that they interviewed 200 officers and determined that 12 discharged their weapons last night. as we know, one of the individuals killed was micah johnson who was holed up, penned up on the second floor of that red parking lot behind me. he was killed actually by a bomb that had been attached to a robot that police sent in so no dogs or officers would be put at risk when negotiations broke down, the shooting started again, they detonated that bomb remotely. we found out that they did conduct a search warrant of his home and determined they found bomb making materials there, a ballistic vest, rifles, ammo and a personal journal on combat tactics. as you said, did he have some military training. we're also told that he belonged

to a gun club and was a pretty good shot, a great marksman, actually in, terms of what happened last night. and that is one of the theories they're working on right now that he may have been the sole gunman. you couldn't tell, you have this concrete canyon here that when the shots would ricochet off the concrete, it sounded tlik w eed were a lot mover weapons. however, three people currently in customer dichlt a woman who is also found in that parking structure and as well as two individuals who were leaving in a black mercedes and they found the police did the men carrying a camo duffel bag with something inside. they are also in custody. we don't know if they'll be charged. and if they do have a preliminary hearing, the public will be involved. or invited. back to you. >> all right. william, thank you so much. we're going to take it around the table here. first, kimberly, there is breaking nouz day in missouri. authorities are investigating a situation when a police officer was shot during a traffic stop on friday.

this is in west st. louis county. and also georgia today, authorities say a man opened fire on a police officer friday morning. the man reportedly called 911 to report a break in and then when the officers arrived, he ambushed them and shot them. both of the officers are expected to survive. it does feel like there is some sort of coordination or loose coordination happening. >> of course, when you see something like this happening, does it inspire others to be able to act and act out in horrible and violent ways. this is part of the divisiveness that's going on that we've heard. you know, throughout even this election season and what we've been seeing going on with respect to the department of justice and, you know, really upsetting to me and the way that police officers have been demonized. having worked very closely for many years with police officers in san francisco da's office, los angeles da's office, accompanying them in high crime and gang areas on ride alongz, you see the nature of how difficult and dangerous their

jobs, are responding to domestic violence cases, going into the areas that no one would want to drive down the street or walk down the street. you couldn't pay them money to do it because of the danger. it's sad. they haven't been getting respect and support that they deserve. that's why i really hope and i oak he the sensentiments in dalt this do incredible job putting their life on the line every day. and they've lost some of the finest just in the last 24 hours. >> juan, i'm glad to you have here. your going to have the day off. you came bab to be us with. i'm glad. it was sad to hear the chief david brown saying that they don't feel support on most days. that was surprising. it was a tragic day all around. and also very troubling. glad to you have here for your thoughts. >> i think the dallas police in specific don't feel that support. but it's odd stlechlt done a good job, in fact, in terms of community relations and been a model for other police forces that have been trying to reach out. and oftentimes following

dictates from justice and other federal agencies about how you build relationships with troubled communities. so it feels unfair to me a little bit that dallas police had to suffer this horror this trauma. and generally, though, i just -- i mean, you know, this is such a difficult week with the shootings of the two black men, one in minnesota, the other in baton rouge, louisiana, and i think even last night as i was leaving the studio, there were marches here in new york city, marches in chicago, l.a., several other cities sort of reviving the black lives matter theme because there is so much upset right now about excessive use of for the by police. i think we've seen that in terms of statistics, questions about, you know, who gets killed and why they get killed and the fear, the very real fear that exists in the black community especially for young black men. so we have at this moment, dane yash dana, a real divide, it's not that anybody has any sympathy

for this man who perpetrated this terror. the people marching in dallas last night, they were running and fleeing. they were in fact more close to the cops than they were to this mad man who was shooting at the cops. it's a different -- it's just one of these things, though that, in this environment, it's so politically insinld airy and it sort of invites everybody to run and say i'm with these guys or i'm with that guy instead of saying we're americans. >> yeah. greg, apparently information coming in from the police that have searched the gunman's home and found bomb material and other sort of weapons and maybe he was planning a larger attack or at least had some sort of indication that there was some coordinati coordination. >> yeah. isn't that -- isn't this kind of what we've all been working for? like, you know, in the past three to four years, the hysteria over race, the hysteria over identity, the specials on other cable channels about race. the romanticizing of agitation

coming from occupy wall street to black lives matter. is it any surprise that this would culminate in actions like these? the protest organizer jeff hood stated when he saw police, he was shock whed saw police running in the direction of the bullets. and he said that wasn't lost on him. i thought that was really nice he said. that but we as americans don't need to see police die in order to understand their sacrifice. you know this isob where you die. you know, you're not a talk show host. you're not a blogger, you're not a community organizer, you're not a sit come acom actor, yet,e giving hot takes about this. it's these guys mocked daily who have to go out there and stand and protect people who are trying to loot a 7-eleven after this happened there were people dancing in the streets trying to loot a seven he leven. and the cops stood there and did their jobs no matter what. there needs to be, i sthed a long time ago after the shootings in brooklyn, a plm

movement. you know, it's actually on us, the complaisancy of the american public and the ambivalence about going out and protesting about the people who do the right things and we don't do that because we're so successful. life is so good. violence is down. so we don't think about it. that's why you have agitation taking on all channels and we forget about the people who protect us. it's an outrage. >> you've been watching this all day. your thoughts? >> i agree with everything you said except one point. the police didn't do their jobs as the crowd looted the seven he lev -- 7-eleven. >> you mean they stood. >> they stood as disorder spread. the whole point of having a police department is they keep the peace and they keep civilization from crumbling. increasingly they're not because they're under pressure from political leaders who do not. point blank, there are bad cops. i dealt with them.

people with authority tend to abuse it. that's you keep a close watch on them. but to say the cops are racist as the president has said again and again from the beginning of his first term, actually with, the skip gates story, creates an environment where something like this inevitable. he tells hast storey. yes, they're caught up in the justice system and there is some unfairness there. but they also have terrible crime rates actually. nobody ever says. that that is the central fact for police officers patrolling the neighborhoods. they're terrified. and so to leave that part out of it, by the way, what do you think the normal people who live in the neighborhoods, what do you think they think? they're terrified, too. the president never mentions that. they act as if this is randomly happening to people of color. that is a lie and makes the environment worse, more about it eastern divided. it's one of the reasons -- force. >> a false narrative. >> i heard president obama today say this is an abomination that will not stand. justice will be done.

whoever perpetrated this will be captured. >> what he said yesterday was statistics show that young black men are much more likely to be caught up in the criminal justice system and that is racism. what he didn't say was that young black men are much more likely to perpetrate crimes. that's what a justice department stats say. i wrote a book on it once. it's real. he never says. that we act like the whole thing is racism. >> what you have to understand is even if you have a situation, i say this to you as a strong conservative. feen you have a situation where someone may say blacks or hispanics perpetrate more crimes, it doesn't then say, therefore, the people we invest with authority, the people that we give the power to kill people, we hand the guns and the jailing authority to are allowed, therefore, to treat these people in an inhumane way. >> i agree. let me be clear. i agree with you 100%. i think there is abuse. i've seen it. i think we should come down on on it like a ton of bricks. but to say all bad interactions between cops is just not true.

>> can i just point -- this has in my view less to do with president obama and that debate than it is for a greater debate in the mentalityst country in the fact that we used to be we the people and now we're us versus them. and i don't think it's just -- it didn't start with obama. it started with the early '70s swrechlt moved away from the idea of a single unity to a congregation of separate identities and grievances. and we ginned up this polarization on cable. and what has happened as well, you're seeing a country that is disconnected from the external global threats like terror. we cannot even talk about terror. what is left? we have ourselves. and we turn on ourselves. and you're seeing groups of people turning on themselves, turning on law enforcement, turning on different ethnicities because we once looked outward. we once looked outward as a country at what -- even 9/11 was 15 years ago and we already lost

sight of. at we can't even say islamic terror but we can easily say the nra. or we can say christians. we lost at built to look outward and we're now destroying ourselves. i don't know. >> all right. i thought that was a good way to end it. we have a lot more to come on "the five." the dispatch call from an officer who responded to last night's shooting spree. stay tuned for. that. >> the next thing you know, we're at officer down. we heard officer down, more undercover police officers and uniformed police officers started running around the corner. they froze and the shootout began. police officers started shooting one direction and wlofr was shooting started shooting back. and that's when the war began. that's why we make more ecommerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. the united states postal service. priority: you i'm in charge of it all. business expenses, so i've been snapping photos of my receipts and keeping track of them in quickbooks. now i'm on top of my expenses, and my bees.

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shots are fired at austin and main street. units be advised. have an open window with rifle hanging out. all plain clothes need to be suited up. >> back now to the deadly attack against america's finest. last night 12 brave officers shot in dallas, five were killed. such a disturbing story when you

saw this developing last night, dana. you just didn't want to hear that another life was lost. there was a lot of confusion as to the number of shooters, suspects involved and just being able to locate them because they were literally trying to pick off officers, you know, one at a time. obviously this man had military training and background was really able to do some incredible damage and kill wonderful officers. very disturbing. >> so alarming and obviously extremely troubling. and the fact that it's in dallas and it's a sniper, obviously, has additional history attached to it. the thing that i thought was very interesting is learning more about the dallas police department which has perhaps outside of the nypd, done the most to try to diversify the police ranks and in, fact, when you break it down between wlits whooits, blacks, hispanics, it mirrored exact lit dallas community. it has the lowest murder rate since 1930. so now that's in a local community. that's in dallas.

and obviously the grievance that may be triggered the shooter was incidents in minnesota and in louisiana. because as greg's pointed out, local stories don't stay local anymore, they're national. so they're reacting to that. so i think it's very unfortunate that dallas had put so much time and effort and resources and invested in their police department in a way to train them to be this great community police department and they had to suffer all of this last night. >> yeah. just terrible. greg, just the senseless violence of it, the environment that's been created that is so caustic and hostile towards police officers, like you said, back in -- 9/11, you know, everybody loved the police officers, loved the fire department and now i feel like first responders are under siege. >> it now lasts about 18 minutes. it's interesting to see. i think if you stlens is a breaking point, i would like to think that you're wrong. that we're misreading this because we know that overall

violence is receding. life spans are getting longer. the food is getting better. people are healthier and people are living better lives. yet, the violence seems to be more sporadic but spectacular. more shocking but fewer. there are fewer incidents but more shocking. the only thing i can think of is that as violence recedes, there's readily available motivations online and media available to create a contagion so some freak does something so then another freak does it. you see it with copycats and mass shootings. so that we sense that perhaps this is the end of it. this is the apocalypse. things are happening out of control. meanwhile, violence is declining. it's strange. it's a strange conflict. >> i think the crime rate is rising, actually. you see it in this country and a bunch of other countries around

the world. but it's a constant. whenever you tell people you have a moral right to disregard the law because you've been wronged, whenever you see politicians stoking grievances for their own benefit as they want to do, you see a rise in disorder. also the rest of us sort of look at this and say what country is this? we're shocked into silence. i was. everyone at the table was. a lot of politicians aren't. they see this as an opportunity immediately to start with the attorney general today. who immediately got on the gun control thing and endorsing black lives mat cher is a racially exclusive group, by the way. they excluded whites from the meaning, really? and the attorney general endorsed them? whatever. they see this as an opportunity to disarm the public. >> the congressional black caucus led with that when they were speaking today. i was one of the first comments out that blaming republicans and saying this that you should pass the gun laws. i was shocked. i thought is great. they're going to spechlt let's

hear what they have to say. say something about the officers and about those who serve this country and our community's faithfully. i think it's a missed opportunity to show leadership. >> i don't think so at all. they did a great job and right on target in terms of expressing what their constituents, and that's how america works, you know, these are the people who vote for them, have concerns about police officers who are two too aggressive in their communities and people feel unsafe when the people who are charged with protecting them, remember, blacks, hispanics, rich and poor are also american citizens and deserving of protection from the police and if they don't feel that the police in, fact, are there to protect them but to protect against them and to protect, let's say, rich whites against them, well then you're going to breed that resentment. >> let me finish this point. newt gingrich said something that is amazing to day. newt gingrich is up to be trump's vp said clearly that

whites don't understand the difficulty of being black in america because they don't understand the level of danger and the risk and the discrimination, the higher level of risk that when it comes tok black and dealing with the police or dealing with the society as large. that's an honest comment. in other words, look, i rely on police as much as anybody. you were making the point. you know, we both live in washington. we rely on cops to protect us. i can't say oh, gee, therefore, all cops, anything they do is great. no. >> nobody is saying that. >> but the fact you is made this point many times. people who value the police the most are black communities. >> yes. >> so there. >> but, no. >> that's my point. >> that's a legitimate point. i respect it. in fact, i agree it with. but you can't, therefore, excuse when cops act in a way -- what did we see earlier this week? that guy bleeding on the floor in louisiana and a guy in his car and his wife and kid in the backseat seeing the man shot

right there. >> but nobody would excuse that lawlessness is not tolerated whether you're wearing a blue uniform and carrying a badge, you still have to follow the rules and the laws. and so that's why there will be justice and there will be a trial. and things will be heard and it will be determined by a jury. how did president obama react to the killing of the police officers in dallas? he blamed guns again. you'll hear that next. >> the officers who died in dallas didn't just die as heroes, they lived as heroes. they embodied the democracy and protected it. whatever you're drinking. wherever you are. splenda zero is a fun, easy way to get the perfect amount of sweetness, down to the last sip. zero calories. zero carbs. zero sugar. zero effort. new splenda zero.

so after the texas massacre, president obama brought up guns. >> we also know that when people are armed with powerful weapons, unfortunately it makes attacks like these more deadly and more tragic. and then the day as head we're going to have to consider those realities as well. >> it's the familiar refrain

from orlando to dallas. but gun control doesn't address the acts be they of terror or ambushes of police. we don't hear the same response with the vehicular homicide or arson much here's obama again on the shootings in st. paul and baton rouge. >> these are not isolated incidents. there's systematic of a broader set of racial disparities that exist in our criminal justice system. >> maybe. but the tendency to group local separate incidents into one greater national phenomenon often doesn't reveal real truth. it only serves to obscure specifics in each single case. the dallas police had no connection at all to those incidents but they took bullets because of them. they suffered for a media narrative. fact is, today's police get more training, are subject to internal affairs and citizen review boards, they face more

rules and procedures than ever. they have gotten better. but have we? we obsess over islam phobia condemning negative for trails of islam but we afford no such sensitivity to police. so the idea that law enforcement is just racist whites killing blacks continues even though we know it's absurd. i could recite the facts. how more whites die from police than blacks or that black and hispanic cops are more likely to fire a gun at blacks than white cops, but why would i do that? you can't change minds that refuse to change. as emotional conclusions, formed well before the facts are offer known, so put on your outrage helmets. the vood about to get bumpy once aga again' an protest if you wish and be happy you're safe and protected by some of the greatest people on earth. dan yashgs i think that the gun argument can be a legitimate one. but it allows you to evade the central ish which is in my view the war on cops is driven by

radical sentiment that is around forever. >> i agree. radical sentiment and lack of respect for police officers. i'm not saying that's across the board. and i am sympathetic to what juan was saying, repeating what newt gingrich said earlier to dafrment i don't know what it's like, you know, to be pulled over 34 times in a year because a broken tail light or maybe some sort of untoward suspicion. i think that president obama tried to strike a pretty balanced tone. he does bring up gun violence. this is not new. he has six months left in the presidency. he's not going to stop bringing up gun violence. it's the biggest regret that he feels he wasn't able to do something. i don't think that is the solution to solve the problem, the root cause that you're talking b i don't think it sun reasonable for him to bring it up yesterday. >> what do you think? >> you know, i like the fact that he had a better tone about it today. but i'm also just focusing on

the progression of events and the rhetoric and the ideology and the push from the left and from liberals that is really put forward this, i think, and perpetrated this false narrative about law enforcement being bad in this country. you know, just when you look back at ferguson and the whole lies when people were saying, you know, hands up, don't shoot. and the evidence showed that didn't happen. so for me, i feel it's very -- we've done our law enforcement officers, men and women across this country and as you pointed out so diverse, so many of these departments, a great disservice. so as a country, we should mourn with them, for them, and try to be better ourselves in terms of understanding the job that they do. >> you know, tucker, what about this instinct that happens after any kind of new story? you go to your sides. right? you go to your sides. i go to my sides. they go to the other side. and then we put forth our point of view and it is ever possible,

researchers say it's impossible to persuade anybody. >> you know, if we all agree to play by the same rules, the rules of logic, in fact, it may be possible. but it is a disproportionate argument. you say people know a lot about the subject. they say, okay, name a gun law that would have prevented this. given we have a second amendment and can't confiscate all guns, that's the only gun law that will work. we took all the guns and ammo away. what would have stopped this? and they can't provide an answer. because there isn't one. so instead they say let's just do something. don't you care? well, of course i care. at a certain point you have to say is this really about public safety or a pretext to disarm the population? and it clearly s same with diverse fig police departments. is there any real evidence that doing so makes police less likely? are white male cops the scariest figures in america? are they more likely to use force? the answer is they're less likely. that doesn't matter.

it's not about. that we're going to see this used as a pretempt for federal law enforcement. that's what's going to happen. it's in the process of happening. >> exactly. >> and let's just stop pretending. let's stop playing along. let's be hohn best what is happening. >> what do you think, juan? >> i'm struck by what tucker said. i don't think there will be a federal takeover of law enforcement. in fact, you know, going back to what you were saying, i think there is a pattern. i think the pattern is apparent to me but maybe not you to of the incidents all over the country. we saw two earlier of the cops shooting black men. but with he know now over the last few years, that's the source of black lives matter. that's why people in marching in the street. it's not that people are stupid or so politicized they just don't like cops, to the contrary, i think cops are honored as according to the polls, cops are the most respected people as an institution in american life. and it's to the point that we don't even track how many fatal shootings are committed by cops. "the washington post" right now is involved in a project trying to track it because the numbers

just aren't available. we don't even know. we're having a hard time distinguishing. i think the nra and the politicians as we've seen just this week, they refused to act on gun control issues no matter what. even if terrorists, greg, even if it's a terrorist involved. and, yes, we could control some of the background checks, gun show loopholes. i don't know that we can prevent. this this guy was a veteran. he had this high powered rifle. >> you just answered your own question. >> i know. i'd like to do something to stop people having illegal guns. >> i think it's a straw man. everybody wants -- nobody wants maniacs with guns. it's just that laws that are being offered don't go after the maniacs. >> why do we have so many maniacs? that's the question. >> why do we have so many guns? >> it's because we have lost at built to put people away because that violates their right. can you no longer institutionalize people. >> there may be something else going on. it's time -- i don't know the answer. i think there is something going

on. it may be worth looking at it in an impartial way. >> great point. good point. >> well, there is increased diagnosis of certain psychological illnesses. that could be because they're discovering it more. who knows? next, wisconsin sheriff david clark on the war against law enforcement in america. stay tuned. >> it's horrific. it's unbelievable to think that people are willing to kill in cold blood, to do that during a peaceful protest is unimaginable. and, you know, this is something where i know the dallas kplunt is grieving. air pockets that gives dogs' teeth a clean scrub all the way down to the gum line. (vo) purina dentalife. for life. put under a microscope, we can see all the bacteria that still exists. polident's unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes, killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture every day.

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the war on police in america, here's what he told fox news just this morning. >> you know, i said that going on almost two years ago that war had been declared in the american police officer and said it on your program after the two of new york's finest were gunned down in their cruiser by an individual who claimed to be making amends for mike brown in ferguson, month movement i said war had been declared. the american police officer knows it has. >> i think we both agree that we invest so much authority in the police that we want to keep close track of it. >> yeah. this came to mind when the things were going in ferguson and there was the militarization of the police and you saw they were getting all that military -- conservatives said we don't need that. >> and i was one of them. i also -- i agree with sheriff clark. i do think there is a war on police, a rhetorical war on police wlochlt is going to want

to be a cop? if you're worried about the quality of people to become bloifrz, how much will that quality drop in the wake of things like this? >> i think, first of all, i think we get very high quality cops. it is tough to become a cop in new york city and washington, d.c., you have to go through rigorous testing. >> but would would want to deal with this? >> that's the problem. you want to feel badly about yourself every night when you go to bed and wake up in the morning and don't know if you're going to come home and see your family and oh, you're not paid very well and if you're in new york, you can't help and take guns off the street because blahs y diblasio the worst mayor ever says you can't stop and frisk. i know what takes to keep streets safe. and abide by the law. and you have to able to give them the tools and the resources to support and the confidence to do their jobs. i think cops out there when they go into a traffic stop or roll up on a domestic violence situation are terrified. >> of course they are. why is it that the same people who are lecturing us about illegal guns and how bad, they i

agree with that, are the same people arguing against stop and frisk which was a very successful program designed to take illegal guns off the street in new york city. how does that work? >> yeah, they seem to have -- whatever the ethical dilemmas are, they're clashing and they don't know how to separate them out, right? so the other problem is, i think, you're going to continue to see and this is happening in dallas, i read today that this last year they had a high number of retirements and they don't have as many recruits coming in. it's a high stress job. a lot of them suffer from ptsd or pts. and the resources aren't there. and then cities if you're looking at a potential down turn in the economy, it gets harder on economies. crime tends to go up. and even though that hasn't been necessarily the case overall in the last several years, i think that police departments across the country are on edge as evidenced by what we said at the beginning of this block -- this show just today in georgia, a

police officer arrives to investigate a 911 call. ambushed by the caller and shot. and another cop in missouri, shot in the neck this morning at a traffic stop. how much more is possibly coming? they have to be prepared for that. it takes resources to do it. >> so the justice department is going to impose diversity guidelines. do you care what your cops look like? do you care what the airline pilots look like? don't you care what they do? >> exactly. >> it goes back to this point that, you know, there is a concern you should never smear entire groups based on the bad apples. we learned this with the islamaphobi. and blm or any activists f somebody throws a rock, it's not reflect i of everybody else. unless you're a cop. and i look this phrase up. there is such a phrase as police-aphobia. that's what we're going throug . police that are target police in a negative way, why don't we

start talking about that? >> i just think people love policing in this country. for my money, i think the sprob when you hear people like this congressman that says watch out black lives matter. watch out obama, real america is coming after you. that's the division that you were talking about, greg tlachlt is falling into your group. that shouldn't be happening. >> next up, a passion nall plea from juan for understanding and respect in a way forward in the wake of all of this. >> boo. >> oh, my god, what is wrong with you?

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we as protesters aren't for violence. we aren't looking to harm any officers. so our hearts go out to the officers who were shot and who lost their lives tonight. the movement isn't about us against them, it's about all of us coming together. >> welcome back to "the five." the nation was stunned by the events in dallas last night. and that on top of the emotional upset from the bloody videos of police killing two black men in minnesota and baton rouge. everyone is asking the same question today, how do we get this cycle of violence and hate to stop? here's my idea. let's have an honest conversation about the combustible mix of race and police in this country. talk now, because silence is ascent to every cop hater, every race baiter.

we can't be silent any longer. that honest conversation starts by admitting that there are things we just don't know. you can't know unless you're a police officer what it's like to be the front line of the thin blue line. you can't know what it's like to protect law-abiding people from crazy people, evil people, hustlers and crooks. and if you don't wear the uniform, you'll never know what it's like to deal with suspicion, even outright hostility while working a neighborhood suffering with drugs, unemployment, and a ton of fatherless kids coming from broken homes. similarly, you can't know unless you're a black who hispanic person the fear of being approached by a cop. in that moment, you know that even if you obey every command, but something still somehow goes wrong, other police, the justice system, and the politicians will doubt you. they'll even judge you guilty. white people don't know that fear, because here's a clue, black men are 6% of the nation, but 40% of the unarmed people killed by police. every black parent has had the talk with their sons about what to do if they're stopped by a

police officer. i know i've had this conversation with my two sons. the police are supposed to protect and serve everybody, everyone in the community, all colors. but that trust is fragile and it is framed. so keep in mind, police have a monopoly on the use of deadly force. they are the only ones given the power, the tools to kill. it is right to hold them to a different standard, a higher standard. today, speaker paul ryan got it just right. he said, quote, there will be a temptation to let our anger send us to our corners. that script is too easy to right, ryan said. let's resist that temptation, he said. it's too predictable. let's defy those predictions. a few perpetrators of evil do not represent us. they do not control us. way to go, paul ryan. so let's start the honest debate right now tonight. k.j.? >> well done, juan. you agree, greg? >> i'm not so sure about this

statistic that you did. >> right, check it out. >> i've got to check it out. but that's exactly right. it would be nice to have a discussion and to be willing to meet halfway, but it seems like we're in an era of the unbending mind, where once somebody gets to that place, they just can't get out of it, because it becomes a personal affront. when the left decided to make the political personal, that changed everything, i think. >> dana? >> i think that happens to people, though, that would maybe be considered on the right, if they say something that sort of sounds sympathetic to somebody's viewpoint on the left, then they're attacked. so of course, you do want to be silent and go to your corner. but i will admit, juan, i'm humble enough to say that i don't know what it would be like to be black and walk down the street and be worried about being pulled over or thinking that your sons or that your family members might not be treated fairly. and i respect that i don't know that. and that that has to be a part of the understanding, the conversation. >> the truth is, i can't hear you if i think you hate me.

that's true for all people. >> good point. >> and we feed to stop generalizing on the basis of race. for all those people who think every black man under 40 is dangerous, that's a divisive thing to think. for the president who assumes that white america is bigoted, and he does, he's said that repeatedly, that's divisive, too. i can't hear him. when i hear him imply that middle america is bigoted, and he does it a lot, i can't listen. i can't handle it. >> i think racism is a reality. but the way you -- >> on both sides. >> but that he is calling people bigots. >> he is. >> i like paul ryan's comments today. i think those were important. and again, i want to stop the importance of also understanding the other side, understanding the police officers and the fantastic job they do every day. i don't think it's right to -- that people have really tried to say that all police officers are racist or that they don't serve or want to serve the african-american community, that they only want to serve rich whites, because that is not the case. >> i would agree with you.

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sense of community that radiates a sense of patriotism. as an agnostic, i can freely admit that sundays now for our country are just another saturday. sundays don't mean much for people. it's time for secularists and time for agnostics and people who have no religion to actually think about, what do you replace it with? because this is what we're replacing it with. identity. identity is taking the place of religion. and it's taking the place of patriotism. >> we need to do an entire show on that. >> are you going to become religious? >> never. oh, never. >> so we could do an entire show on that. >> but you can create something. >> all right. >> kimberly -- >> we'll work on that project. >> you know, i want to talk about the victims, the officers that lost their lives i want to focus on their families, i want to focus on the children that were left behind. it pains me deeply. i know what it's like to grow up without a parent and to lose a parent at a young age. and i can only think what they're going through. but i hope that they are inspired and honored by the way

that their parents, you know, served and really were able to give back to the community and show courage and fearlessness and to the police officers out there right now watching, you know, we honor you. we respect you, we thank you for the work you do in our communities across this country and we pray for you tonight. >> we have one minute left. juan, your thoughts. >> i think it's so important. i think religion in the country is pretty good. >> secular religion. >> okay, but i happen to think it's a bond. it helps us come together. christians can be of any color, of any kind and most of us are christians. and it's so important to have the honest conversation. i felt great with tucker and i thought, that's a real conversation. those are real issues. >> tucker carlson? >> me too, thank you. >> you can kind of see where this is going. i think everyone has had an ominous feeling, like this is all moving in the wrong direction. and i think it's really important to remember that the order and prosperity and the

happiness that we take for grant really took hundreds of years to build. and we ought to defend them really, at all costs. >> thank you. stay tuned to fox news throughout the night for continuing developments on the attack against police in dallas. we'll see you back here on monday. "special report" is up next. this is a fox news alert. good evening. welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. right now we're waiting for an update on the shooting in dallas that left five police officers dead and seven others wounded thursday night. in the past few minutes, dallas police have confirmed that they've found bomb-making materials, ballistic vests, ammunition, and a personal journal of combat tactics during a search of the shooter's home. and it is believed to have just been one shooter involved in dallas. we will bring you that press conference as soon as it happens live here on fox, but first, much of the nation is still obviously in shock today. coming to