and when it did, it obliterated his body. toxicology results may be hard to come by. a few bits of information. more in the days ahead. for now, let's get to washington and political news. for now, i'm shepard smith. i'll see you monday. thousands of protesters taking to the streets to continue to protest police shootings. some of those protests turned violent. the anger and determination from the deadly dallas ambush. we are learning more about the police officers and the families that they left behind. >> also, president obama is a few minutes away from a news conference in poland where he is traveling. he's expected to talk about

dallas. good saturday to you. thank you for being with us. although you might call this a somber and sad saturday. i'm leland vittert. >> and i'm elizabeth prann. >> the nation is grieving for the victims of thursday's massacre in dallas. meanwhile, more unrest in major cities overnight as protesters condemned the recent police shootings of african-american men. protests planned today in seattle, phoenix and they got violent in phoenix and chicago as well. >> reporter: leland, good to see you. agents with the atf are working on the ground here back behind me.

they have the job of going through the crime scene and folks have characterized this as a very elaborate and widespread crime scene. in fact, some law enforcement officials are saying that some 30 atf officials are here on the ground. they have been using canines and other specialized equipment to help recover the shell casings which are extremely important pieces of evidence. police say this process could last until wednesday. meaning this large portion of downtown dallas will remain sealed off to the public which really is unprecedented within itself because, as you know, dallas is a major metro area. thousands and thousand of people report to downtown for work every single day. the mayor of dallas telling us is an extremely complicated investigation, obviously one with many moving parts. listen. >> there was confusion with

everybody running around but this was a mobile shooter that had written manifestos on how to shoot and move, shoot and move. and he did that. he did his damage but we did our damage to him as well. and we believe now that the city is safe and the suspect is dead and we can move on to healing. part of that healing is to get the support of our great state. i've had mayors from all over the state call me. >> meantime, the other major area of focus with this investigation, obviously the gunman's home. he lived at this house with relatives in the dfw suburb of mesquite, which is about 12 miles northeast of where i am now. he was described as a loner.

officials found more ammos, bulletproof vests and bomb-making materials. they also uncovered a journal of sorts. you heard the mayor talking about a manifesto. they found this journal. authorities say that it detailed, quote, combat plans. detectives are still analyzing that and all of the information contained within and a former dallas police department deputy chief told our own shepard smith on the ground here that they also found drugs, specifically, meth or methamphetamine at that house as well. leland? >> obviously, we'll have to find out what else they find. back to you as news warrants, casey stegall. thank you. elizabeth? >> philando castile in minnesota, we're learning planned protests are set for

seattle, phoenix and chicago. in atlanta, crowds blocked portions of the interstates and in phoenix, police were questioning a protester when the man suddenly took off on foot. police chased him and eventually took him into custody, although it's still not clear why he was being questioned. in new york city, 300 people gathered in union square before branching out across the city escorted by police and chanting black lives matter. in rochester, new york, two reporters covering the protests were put in handcuffs and led away by police before they realized that they were with the media and they were quickly released. >> it's time to go. people are being taken into custody. justin carter being arrested. being arrested. justin --

>> the police chief and city mayor late for apologized for that incident. the death of these five police officers means daughters who won't have their father to walk them down the aisle, sons to not have a dad play catch with. those five law enforcement officers worked in the city of dallas and some served with military service before protecting us here at home. joining us now from dallas with more on their lives and legacies, hi, william. >> reporter: well, leland, you know dallas does not want to be remembered for this and also the sacrifice of those who lost their lives protecting the city, flowers, teddy bears, candles piled up at the police department. flags at half-staff there.

victims include lauren ahrens, ex-football player, married to another police officer. big smile, big heart. daughter, 10 years old and a son who went to bed not knowing that their dad would be wheeled into the emergency room and they would never see him again. patrick zamaninia, 32 years old, survived three tours in iraq. his wife was at a game behind the home plate taking a picture of herself and the daughter posting it, sending it to patrick. he'll never see that photo. his father called him that night when he saw this on television and said patrick said, hey, i'll call you back, dad, and he never did. >> this needs to stop. like i said, i don't care if you're black, brown, green, we are all god's children.

we need to get along. we need to move forward. >> reporter: michael krol moved here to join dallas pd, said he wanted to protect people. his mother said he knew the danger of it but enjoyed the duty. brent thompson, married just two weeks ago, traveled internationally training police in iraq and afghanistan. and sergeant mike smith, active army ranger, leaving two daughters, 10 and 14 behind, a 25-year vet. he was to retire this year. >> i just started crying and praying and -- because i have great faith, i just know that he's in heaven and i think that's what got me through. i think i'm more worried about the girls. >> reporter: so the united way, among others, have set up a line

of duty fund for the victims' families. >> we'll get out information for folks who want to donate. thanks, william. the shooting victims were taken to parkland hospital and baylor university. six other officers and one civilian were also injured. rich edson is joining us now. >> reporter: they all refused to give us updates on how these officers and civilians are doing, how many they are treating, what their conditions is. but thanks to a number of family and friends that have come out here, we do have a pretty decent sense of how some of these officers and victims are doing. one from d.a.r.t., officer misty

mcbride, according to her family, she was shot in the abdomen and the arm. a bullet broke her shoulder. her friends say all she wants to do is go back to work. she's the mother of a 10-year-old girl. according to her family, when she was shot, she crawled under a police cruiser to protect herself. a fellow officer brought her to the hospital. also, elmar cannon is still receiving treatment. officer jesus retana, according to the associated press, he worked to have same-sex couples get benefits or recognized as married couples were to receive benefits for those who work at the police department. that, of course, was before the supreme court validated that right of same-sex marriage last year. as for the dallas police department, according to the ap,

gri gretchen was hurt by shrapnel and used her spanish language skills to help with a program called friends in blue and joined the dallas police department in 2014. if you watch this video here, this is from early friday morning just hours after the shooting. a couple of the victims brought here to baylor university hospital and those who died at this hospital, their fellow police officers came here to salute them as they left this building. i'll keep you updated on all of the other survivors and those shot on thursday evening as we get it. elizabeth and leland, back to you. >> rich edson, thank you so much. joining us now is attorney general ken paxton. >> it's been a very difficult 48

hours for the city of dallas but it's encouraging to see people rally around the dallas police and rally around the people who were lost in this terrible, horrific violence. >> has the shock worn off yet? are people able to process what happened and begin to take stock of why? >> i think some of it is wearing off but i was just over at the memorial site where the police cars are and police headquarters and just going over there, you get a real sense of sadness and loss still. as you read the letters that were put on these cars, it's very touching to realize people are not going to forget their families. >> i want to get your sense going forward, you have to think about trying to prevent situations like this in the future where police become the targets and we're seeing so much disturbing receihetoric on the internet of folks with calls to go out and kill police and the

only good cop is a dead cop. is it time now for law enforcement to look at themselves as targets rather than the intermediary between two groups? >> you know what, it's hard to say that they shouldn't consider that. if you look at this situation, you have the police protecting a group of protesters and they were willing to do that and sacrifice their own lives to protect people who were in disagreement with them. i like the model that was set up here in dallas and i'm hopeful that we can continue communication between these groups and the dallas police department and education about the dallas police department, their willingness to work with these groups. >> is there some point where groups cross the line? they have calls on their social media pages to go out and kill police and that kind of thing. is it time to get the designation of terror groups? >> i do think that they have a

right to free speech but when they start calling for terrorist acts, there needs to be something to stop that. that is beyond the line that anybody should go, especially when we're talking about people who are there to protect them. >> yes. some headlines now, black panthers targeting pigs, urging gangs to kill police officers. you know, the attorney general of the united states held a press conference yesterday in which she spoke to these protesters, some of whom got violent yesterday in phoenix and said, quote/unquote, don't be discouraged. that's an administration that won't call islamic terror islamic terror. >> i think we need a vote from the top down where we have leaders working to encourage law enforcement. these people are risking their lives and they are not being

paid much. i think they need to be ea encouraged. and from the bottom up, we need to have involvement with law enforcement. i don't think it helps when you have leadership in washington basically being critical and not helping our law enforcement. >> a lot of police officers talking about that as well. hung out to dry by the administration, the president in particular. mr. attorney general, we appreciate your time, sir. >> thanks for having me. i really appreciate it. >> god bless the folks down there. thursday's ambush marks the deadliest attacks on police since september 11th raising questions whether this points to a new form of terrorism. chad sweetnen is joining me now. before i talk about the situation going forward i want to steal a sentence from a new yorker article where it says we

are in the new age of open space terrorism. what's your reaction to that? >> well, i think as we've seen in orlando and, frankly, in dallas, what we have now are military-type attacks occurring on open space domestic soil and it may have criticized our police for militarization for using military-style equipment. as you saw in orlando, a kelver helmet helped save his life. i think what the public is beginning to see in this situation domestically is that our law enforcement are facing new and dynamic threats and they need the best equipment to do their job. >> there was so much criticism

after the fact and that maybe it incited violence. >> what we're seeing now, the dallas police department and the chief is widely recognized as one of the most progressive and community engagements and mayor rawlings admitted he'll have to look at how much protector gear they will be allowed to respond to criticism that they look too militaristic. athink across th-- so i think ty will look at how they will protect their own officers and at the end of the day the public sees this is excessive use of military-style equipment that's been proven effective by the military and has sensible cross-application. >> we're going to learn more and more about the investigation not only at the scene but also in the gunman's home. >> right. >> one of the things you and i were talking about earlier was just simply all of the supplies that we're learning about that were inside of the home.

what does that tell you about the fact that this was a premeditated attack. >> right. >> but then again, this was a peaceful protest that was planned maybe days before, was it a crime of opportunity and how did those two collide? >> i think it was a merger where you saw the signatures are there, detectives found bomb-making equipment, ballistic vests, ammunition rifles, manual on tactics on combat shooting tactics and this individual actually was in the army reserves, served a tour in afghanistan. what is scary to think about, this event was the worst event of law enforcement life since 9/11. if he had more opportunity to actually execute on planting bombs around the city and then committing a sniper-style attack like we saw here in washington with john lee malvo, imagine the terror incited throughout the city. this is clearly a case of premeditated attack but seizing

a moment of opportunity. >> we only have a few minutes left but we so often hear the phrase, see something, say something. >> this investigation will probably show what we call if you look at almost any one of these incidents, both domestic, racial attacks like this and terrorism, as we just saw in orlando, there's what is called the stand by syndrome where often somebody had a signature and they were too intimidated or concerned that if they brought it forward they would be viewed as extreme. what i would reiterate, as we saw in orlando and dallas, whether it's terrorism abroad affecting us here at home or domestic terrorism, i would encourage the public watching to go to fbi.gov/tips. if you see something, say something. >> and there were other people living in that home. chad, thank you so much. >> thank you, liz. as we take you back to

pictures of the memorial in downtown dallas where mourners paid tribute to the police officers killed, talking about that earlier, we'll keep you updated on the investigation and protests around the country coming up. but first, to warsaw, poland, where president obama is wrapping up a two-day nato meeting. he will take some questions in the coming minutes. to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain...

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a fox news alert as we are awaiting president obama's news conference in warsaw, poland. he is there for a nato meeting wrapping up two days there in warsaw. been talking about issues like brexit, the migrant crisis and some of the eastern countries there that are u.s. allies. with the president is kevin corke. what do you think we'll hear from the president today? >> reporter: you're right on the money about some of the things that you just laid out. he'll talk about a great deal about the fact that he's here for the nato summit, a number of issues including the fact that the president announced this week there would be a thousand american troops rotating in and out of right here in poland as sort of an eastern mark against

an increasingly aggressive russia. certainly, he's also expected to talk about the dallas shooting and maybe more broadly race relations and we suspect he might even talk about gun control. of course, all on the heals of this devastating night in dallas where five officers were killed and another seven wounded. it's important to point out that the white house has been looking at this very carefully. meaning, they are trying to figure out the proper messaging, especially on the heals of what happened. the president calling it despicable and vicious, even. and that message was echoed by vice president joe biden today in the weekly address. >> as americans, we're wounded by all of these incidents. it's important to speak out about the disparities in our criminal justice system just as it is important for all of us to stand up for the police that protect our communities every single day.

>> reporter: ahead of the president's plan, as we pointed out, his trip to spain will, however -- and this is important -- to american service personnel stationed there. now, earlier in this, we showed you the remarks of the vice president, joe biden talking about the importance of coming together as a nation. but i think what really bothered a lot of people or rubbed them wrong, in particular in texas, the fact that the president mentioned guns in his response to that devastating shooting in dallas. listen carefully to how he framed some of his comments following the shooting on thursday night. >> we also know that when people are armed with powerful weapons, unfortunately, it makes attacks like these more deadly and more tragic. and in the days ahead, we're going to have to consider those realities as well. >> reporter: so here's the real question, then. how do you get at that issue without offending the people

that you're trying to reach. keep in mind, he's trying to be healer in chief right now and talking guns within the framework of what has happened may not be the right timing. we'll see what he does when he gets to dallas. leland? >> kevin corke in warsaw, thank you. as we wait for the president, let's get more analysis and bring in fox news contributor julian turner. she works at the white house security council under president obama and george w. bush. thank you for joining us. obviously the summit meeting really intended to show a united front. what is your reaction? do you feel that they are succeeding in that this week? >> i think you're right. the nato 27 countries are gearing up for what i would call a longer term and standoff with russia and they will be sending troops over to poland.

>> 1,000. do you think that sends a good message. by the way, we have two minutes before the president speaks. we'll let you know. >> the united states is a big part of that but it's not the only component of the platform. they are amping up their cybersecurity defenses and they are reinvigorating this pledge around the member countries. >> so they sort of temper down any fears or emotion with brexit, something that they weren't planning for? how did they have to adjust to that? >> they completely had to readjust. the eu countries are in a complete disarray. consequences are not entirely known yet. there's a lot of fear, a lot of exposure here. and so part of this is that in light of a weakened eu or potentially weakened eu, nato

has a more important role to play, not just in the collective defense, in other areas like economic cooperation and so on. >> unfortunately, we'll have to interrupt you. we'll listen to the president right now in warsaw, poland. >> once again, i want to thank the government and the people of poland for hosting this nato summit and i especially want to thank the people of warsaw for their wonderful hospitality. it is my third visit to poland. each time, we have been received with tremendous friendship and signifies the close bonds between our two countries. i want to begin this press conference with events back home. this has been a tough week. first and foremost, for the families who have been killed but also for the entire american family. in my call yesterday to attorney

general loretta lynch, i stressed that the justice department and federal government should do everything that we can to assist in the investigation in dallas and to support the police and the city of dallas as they deal with this tragedy. in my call to chief brown, i commended him for showing outstanding leadership during an extremely challenging time and asked him to convey to all of the officers and their families how the american people are grieving with them and that we stand with them. i'll have the opportunity to convey our condolences and show our solidarity when i visit dallas in a few days. but before i do, let me make some very brief points. first of all, as painful as this week has been, i firmly believe

that america is not as divided as some have suggested. americans of all races and all backgrounds are rightly outraged by the inexcusable attacks on police, whether it's in dallas or anyplace else. that includes protesters. it includes family members who have grave concerns about police conduct. and they've said that this is unacceptable. there's no division there and americans of all races and all backgrounds are rightly saddened and angered about the death of alton sterling and philando castile and about the larger, persistent problem of african-americans and latinos being treated differently in our criminal justice system.

so there is sorrow, anger, confusion about next steps. but there's unity in recognizing that this is not how we want our communities to operate. this is not who we want to be as americans. and that serves as the basis for us being able to move forward in a constructive and positive way. so we cannot let the actions of a few define all of us.

the demented individual who carried out the attacks in dallas is no more representative of african-americans than the shooter in charleston is representative of white americans or the shooter in orlando or san bernardino were representative of muslim-americans. they don't speak for us. that's not who we are. and one of the things that gives me hope is seeing how the overwhelming majority of african-americans have acted with empathy and understanding. we've seen police continue to reach out to communities that they serve all across the country and show incredible professionalism as they are protecting protesters. we've seen activists and grassroots groups who have

expressed concern about police shootings but are also adamant in their support of the dallas police department, which is particularly appropriate because the dallas police department is a great example of a department that has taken the issue of police shootings seriously. and has engaged in an approach that has not only brought down their murder rates but also drastically reduced complaints around police misconduct. that's the spirit that we all need to embrace. that's the spirit that i want to build on. it's one of the reasons why next week, using the task force that we have set up after ferguson but also building on it and

inviting both police and law enforcement and community activists and civil rights leaders, bringing them together to the white house, i want to start moving on constructive actions that are going to make a difference because that is what all americans want. so when we start suggesting that somehow there's this enormous polarization and we're back to the situation in the '60s and -- it's just not true. you're not seeing riots and you're not seeing police going after people or protesting peacefully. you've seen almost uniformly peaceful protests and you've seen uniformly police handling

those protests with professionalism. and so as tough and as hard and as depressing as the loss of life was this week, we've got a foundation to build on. we just have to have confidence that we can build on those better angels of our nature. and we have to make sure that all of us step back, do some reflection and make sure that the rhetoric that we engage in is constructive and not destructive, that we're not pinni painting anybody with an overly broad brush, that we're not constantly thinking the worst in other people rather than the

best. if we do that, then i'm confident that we will continue to make progress. now, here in europe, this is a pivotal moment for our alliance. in the nearly 70 years of nato, perhaps never have we faced issues all at once, humanitarian, political, canada, france, belgium and turkey have endured heinous terrorist attacks directed or inspired by isil. russia has violated the sovereignty and territorial integrity of an independent european nation, ukraine has engaged in provocative behavior towards nato allies. and the vote in the united kingdom to leave the eu has

raised questions about the future of european integration. in this challenging moment, i want to take this opportunity to state clearly what will never change. and that is the unwavering commitment to the united states and the security and defense of europe, to our transatlantic relationship, to our commitment to our common defense. and next year will mark the # 0 100th anniversary of the first europeans arriving on american soil and generations of americans have served here for our common security. in quiet cemeteries, from france to the netherlands to italy, americans still rest where they

fell. even now, more than 60,000 american military personnel served in dozens of european countries and my point is this. in good times and in bad, europe can count on the united states. always. i hear in warsaw we haven't simply reaffirmed our five common obligations to security, we're moving forward with the most important collective defense any time since the cold war. first, we're strengthening nato's defense and deterrence posture, building on our european reassurance initiative, which has already increased readiness from the baltics to the black sea. as i announced yesterday, the united states will be the lead nation here in poland deploying a battalion of american

soldiers. the united kingdom will take the way in estonia and canada and this will mean additional troops on a rotational basis in this region. moreover, we will rotate through europe and including an additional 4,000 u.s. troops. meanwhile, to the south, we agreed on new deterrence measures in romania and bulgaria. nato sending a clear message that we will defend every ally. we're also strengthening the readiness of our forces against a range of threats. so nato's joint task force is now operational and can deploy anywhere in europe on short notice. with recent progress here in poland, romania and spain, nato's ballistic defense is coming online and we're launching a new effort to boost the resilience of allies to better defend against new types

of threats, including cyberattacks. nato is increasing our support to ukraine. and our meeting of the nato ukraine commission, we agreed on a new assistance package to provide support for ukrainian forces. prime minister cameron, president hollande, merkel and ramsey met with poroshenko and talked about integrity territorial and talked about economic reforms. thank you. i'm already getting applause. i'm not even finished yet. even as the nato council will meet in brussels next week, our nations are united in the view that there can be no business with russia until it fully implements its minced obligations. nato will also do more to fight

against terrorist networks. every ally already contributes against the campaign against ooi isil. we will improve our reconnaissance and training of iraqi forces will move so they can be more effective and 39 nations, including the u.s., have committed more than 12,000 troops to nato's training mission and, in addition, some 30 nations have pledged upwards of $900 million to help sustain afghan forces which is a very strong message of our enduring commitment to afghanistan. we are bolstering our efforts on nato's southern flank. the alliance will increase our support to eu naval operations to stop arms traffickers and go after criminals exploiting

desperate migrants and we'll do more to help partners from africa to the middle east and strengthen their own capacity. and finally, after many years, nato has stopped the collective decline in defense spending. over the past two years, most nato members have held at cuts and began investing more in defense and this means defense spending across the alliance is now scheduled to increase. i especially want to commend our friends in the uk, poland, greece, estonia, all who along with the united states pay their full share of at least 2% of gdp for our collective defense. but for those of you doing the math, that means that the majority of allies are still not hitting that 2% mark, an obligation we agreed to in whales. so we had a very candid conversation about this. and there's a recognition that,

given the range of threats that we face and the capabilities that we meet, everybody has got to step up and do better. so in closing, i'd just note that this is my final nato summit. throughout my time in office, one of my top foreign policies has been to enforce our nato relations and as i reflect in the past eight years, both the progress and challenges, i can say with confidence that we've delivered on that promise. the united states has increased our presence here in europe, nato is as strong as nimble and as ready as ever and at this summit, the door to nato membership remains open to nations that can meet our high standards. so nobody should ever doubt the resolve of this alliance to stay united and focused on the future. and just as our nations have

stood together over the past 100 years, i know that we'll stay united and grow even stronger for another hundred more. and with that, let me take some questions. i'm going to start with kathleen hennessey of "ap". >> thanks, mr. president. i wanted to specifically ask about the dallas shooting and the attacker there. now that we know more about the man who we believe did those crimes, i'm wondering if you could help us understand how you describe his motives. do you consider this an act of domestic terrorism, was this a hate crime, was this a mentally ill man with a gun? how should americans understand why that happened and then, also, on the issue of political division and looking for solutions, there's been some critics who noted that you immediately mentioned your call for gun control soon after the attack. do you think that in any way

encourages or ensures that people retreat to their corners as they think about this? >> first of all, i think it's very hard to untangle the motives of this shooter. as we've seen in a whole range of incidents with mass shooters, they are, by definition, troubled if you hurt people who pose no threat to you, strangers, you have a troubled mind. what triggers that, what feeds it, what sets it off, i'll leave that to psychologists and people who study these kinds of incidents. what i can say is that although

he may have used as an excuse his anger about previous incidents, as has been indicated at least in the press and as chief brown, i think, indicated, in no way does that represent what the overwhelming majority of americans think. you know, americans, to a large degree, want to make sure that we have a police force that is supported because they know our police officers do a really tough, dangerous job. and with the professionalism of our dallas police officers as they were being shot at, the

fact that they helped to clear the area, they helped to get the fallen and the injured out of there. they were able to isolate the suspect and you didn't have casualties and consequences of the police shooting back. that gives you an indication of what a tough job they have and how well they do tl on a regular basis. so i think the danger, as i said, is that we somehow suggest that the act of a troubled individual speaks to some larger political statement across the country. it doesn't. when some white kid walks into a

church and shoots a bunchs of worshippers who invited him to worship with them, we don't assume that he's somehow making a political statement that's relevant to the attitudes of the rest of america. and we shouldn't make those assumptions around a troubled muslim individual who is acting on their own in that same way. now, with respect to the issue of guns, i am going to keep on talking about the fact that we cannot eliminate all racial tension in our country overnight, we are not going to be able to identify ahead of

time and eliminate every mad man or who might want to do harm against innocent people. but we can make it harder for them to do so. and if you look at the pattern of death and violence and shootings that we've experienced over the course of the last year or the last five years or the last ten years, i've said this before, we are unique among advanced countries in the scale of violence that we experience. and i'm not just talking about mass shootings. i'm talking about the hundreds

of people who have already been shot this year in my hometown of chicago. the ones that we just consider routine. now, we may not see that issue as connected to what happened in dallas, but part of what's creating tensions between communities and the police is the fact that police have a really difficult time in communities where they know guns are everywhere. as i said before, they have a right to come home and now they have very little margin of error in terms of making decisions. so if you care about the safety of our police officers, then you can't set aside the gun issue and pretend that that's

irrelevant. at the protests in dallas, one of challenges for the dallas police department, as they're being shot at, is because this is an open carry state, there are a bunch of people participating in a protest who have weapons on them. imagine if you're a police officer and you're trying to sort out who is shooting at you and there are a bunch of people who have got guns on them. in minneapolis we don't yet what happened but we do know that there was a gun in the car that

caused, in some fashion, those tragic events. so, no, we can't just ignore that and pretend that that's somehow political or the president is pushing his policy agenda. it is a contributing factor, not the sole factor, but a contributing factor to the broader tensions that arise between police and the communities where they serve. so we have to talk about that. and as i've said before, there is a way to talk about that that is consistent with our constitution and the second amendment. the problem is even mention of it somehow evokes this polarization. and you're right, when it comes to the issue of gun safety,

there is polarization between a very intense minority and a majority of americans who actually think that we could be doing better when it comes to gun safety, but that expresses itself in stark terms when it comes to legislation in congress or in state legislatures, and that's too bad. we're going to have to tackle that at some point and i'm not going to stop talking about it because if we don't talk about it we're not going to solve these underlying problems. it's part of the problem. carol lee? >> thank you, mr. president. you mentioned san bernardino and orlando and americans have been warned that similar attacks could happen here in the -- over there in the united states. and obviously what happened this week in minnesota and louisiana

and dallas. these are not necessarily the same types of attacks and the motivations may be different, but collectively they're having a real impact on the american public and in that there's a real anxiety out there where people are genuinely afraid going about their daily lives doing routine things. >> right. >> so my questions are, you know, do you see any sort of common thread in these events? you know, is this sort of just a new normal? is there anything that you can do about this and what's your message to americans who are genuinely afraid, because the anxiety just seems to be getting worse, not better, and these attacks keep seeming to happen in much more regularity that wasn't a part of their experience even, say, a year ago. >> well, carol lee, i do think we have to disentangle these issu issues. when it comes to terrorist attacks people are

understandably concerned, not just because of what's happened in the united states but what happened in brussels and what's happened in paris and what's happened in turkey and what is consistently happening in iraq and bangladesh and all around the world. and that's why the work that we've done with nato and our counter isil coalition and other partners is so vital. one of the things that's been commented on is that as isil loses territory and the fraud of the caliphate becomes more obvious, they are going to start resorting to more traditional terrorist tactics.

they can't govern. they can't deliver anything meaningful to the people whose territory they can control. the one thing they know how to do is kill. and so we're going to have to redouble our efforts in terms of intelligence, coordination, our counter messaging on extreme is working closely with muslim communities both overseas and in our own countries, to make sure that we are reducing the number of people who are inspired by their message or are in some coordinated fashion trying to attack us. and obviously we have built up a huge infrastructure to try to do that. the more successful we are in iraq and syria and libya and

other places where isil has gotten a stronghold, the weaker they are, the less resources they have, the less effectively they can recruit. but when individuals are willing to die and they have no conscience about killing innocent people, they are hard to detect and it means that we got to continually up our game. having said that i think it is important to note just the suck sus th cess that we've seen in the last several weeks rolling back al qaeda, the liberation of fallujah got a little bit lost in the news, but that's a big town. and with our support the counter isil coalition support, the iraqi government was able to

move through there quickly. they're now positioning themselves so that they can start going after mosul. in syria you're seeing progress along a pocket that has been used for foreign fighter flows. and so they're on their heels and we're going to stay on it. now, when it comes to crime generally, i think it's just important to keep in mind that our crime rate today is subsubstantially lower than it was five years ago, ten years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago. over the last four or five years, during the course of my presidency, violent crime in the united states is the lowest it's been since probably the 1960s. maybe before the early 1960s.

there's been an incredible drop in violent crime. so that doesn't lessen, i think, people's understandable fears if they see a video clip of somebody getting killed. but it is important to keep in perspective that in places like new york or los angeles or dallas, you've seen huge drops in the murder rates. and that's a testimony to smarter policing and there are a ring n range of other factors that have contributed to them. so that should not -- we should never be satisfied when any innocent person is being killed, but that should not be something that is driving our anxieties

relative to where we've been in the past. and with respect to, finally, the issue of police shootings, there's no doubt that the visual records that we're seeing have elevated people's consciousness about this, but as i've said before, for african-americans or latino latinos, in the pre-smartphone age, i don't think that people were not aware of the fact that there is evidence of racial bias in our criminal justice system. it's been well documented and it's been experienced.

and even before i got to the u.s. senate, when i was in the state senate in illinois, i passed legislation to try to reduce the incidence of racial profiling by collecting data, and that was prompted by evidence that it was taking place in certain parts of the sta state. and the fact that we're aware of it may increase some anxiety right now and hurt and anger, but it's been said sunshine is the best disinfectant. by seeing it, by people feeling a sense of urgency about it, by the larger american community realizing that, gosh, maybe this is a problem and we've seen even some very conservative commentators begin to acknowledge, this is something maybe we need to work on, that

promises the possibility of actually getting it done. so it hurts. but if we don't diagnose this, we can't fix it. >> thank you, mr. president. as you come to the end of your term there's a lot of talk about your legacy. i know you may like to leave that to the historians. >> i do. >> but when you look back on your presidency and consider race relations what do you hope your legacy will be? how do you think the shootings in dallas and high fro file shootings by police in other events will shape the way your presidency is remembered? >> i do want to leave legacy questions to the history books. but what i can do, maybe this a fair response to your question, is to say how i've tried to lead

the country on this issue. more than anything what i hope is that my voice has tried to get all of us as americans to understand the difficult legacy of race, to encourage people to listen to each other, to recognize that, you know, the legacy of slavery and jim crow and discrimination didn't suddenly vanish with the pass of the civil rights act or the voting rights act or the election of barack obama, that things have gotten better, substantially better, but that

we've still got a lot more work to do. and that as was the case with the police task force that we set up, that i've tried to encourage people to come up with practical concrete solutions that can reduce, if not eliminate, the problems of racial bias. and if my voice has been true and positive, then my hope would be that it may not fix everything right away but it surfaces problems, it frames them, it allows us to wrestle with these issues and try to come up with practical solutions and that that perspective may lead to continued improvement so

that not just malia and sasha but their children can experience a country that is more just and more united and more equal. and that's not going to happen right away. and that's okay. you know we plant seeds. and somebody else maybe sits uh-u under the shade of the tree that we planted. i'd like to think that as best as i could, i have been true in speaking about these issues. >> thanks, mr. president. throughout the summit the eu leaders have echoed your confidence about brexit happening in an orderly way. they also stressed that the uk has had to have access to an open market must continue to

respect the freedom of migration to workers. someone who has repeatedly extolled the virtues, what specific ainsurances did you get during the summit from other leaders that make you confident the currency markets are wrong and the political turmoil in britain and subsequent effort believe the eu will go smoothly? and finally, both you and secretary kerry have used "if" to drescribe brexit. i wonder if you could put the toothpaste back in the tube. >> i think we have to assume that a a referendum having been passed a with at lot of attention, a lengthy campaign and high rates have to stick. the incoming government, a conservative government is going

to invoke article 50 and begin the process of negotiations. how that process unfolds, how the negotiations work, i think is going to be up to the parties involved. the main message i've had here is we are close friends, allies, commercial partners with the uk and with the eu. we will remain close friends, ally, partners, continued to have strong relationships on both sides of the channel. our primary interest is to make sure that the negotiations and as this process are as orderly and as sensible as possible. recognizing that it is in the interest of both sides to get it right.

they are major trading partners. that's where goods get sent, back and forth. and it's important that neither side harden positions in ways that ultimately do damage to their respective economies and ultimately to the world economy at a time when, you know, our world economy is still pretty wobbly in places. i want to make a further point. i'm not sure it's accurate to say that i am a huge booster of globalization. what is accurate to say is that i believe the process of globalization is here to stay as a consequence of technology. and the mobility of capital and

cargo containerships and global supply chains and conceivably we could run back the tape to 50 years ago and see whether we could rearrange some of that process, but it's happening. it's here. and we see it every day in our lives. everybody who's got a smartphone in their pocket is seeing it. and my argument has been that there are enormous benefits to be gained from that global integration just as there are enormous benefits to be gained from european integration so long as we recognize that with that integration there is the danger of increased inequality of workers having less leverage and capital having more

leverage, that it threatens to leave people behind and if don't take steps to make sure everybody can participate in that global integration, making sure that wages are high enough, making sure that we rebuild the social compacts so that pensions and health care are taken care of, making sure that communities are not completely abandoned when a factory leaves and there's an economic plan for transition. if we do not do that effectively, then there's going to be a backlash. with respect to immigration, it is america's experience that

immigration has been by far a net plus for our economic growth, our culture, our way of life. now, in america that's by necessity because, unless you're a native american you came from -- everybody came from someplace else. europe may not have as many of those traditions. but keep in mind one of the huge macro economic advantages that america has is we're still a relatively young country. our birth rate is not dropping off like europe's is or russia's is or china's or japan's, and that's as a consequence of immigration. and it's economics 101 if you've got a younger population, your growth rate is going to be higher. and immigrants are strivers and they work hard and they're looking to build a better life. otherwise they wouldn't move

from where they were. and that's been part of our tradition and our culture and our society. now, you know, huge influxes of the sort that we've seen in europe, that's always going to be a shock to the system. and i think it is entirely appropriate for europe, even as generous as it has been, and i think that chancellor merkel deserves enormous credit and other european leaders who have taken in, you know, these migrant populations deserve enormous credit because that's hard. it's a strain on the budget. it's a strain on politics. it's a strain on culture. it's legitimate for them to say, look, we got to slow this thing down. we've got to manage it properly. that's why we're setting up a u.n. conference on refugees on the margins of the united nations general assembly because a few countries shouldn't be shouldering the burden for 60

million refugees. and we've got to come up with strategies to allow people in countries that are very poor or are in the mid m dle of a war z enjoy some peace and prosperity. otherwise the world has shrank and they're going to want to move. that's not going to go away any time soon. so it's one more reason why, given the fact of global integration, we have to think globally, more broadly, because our security interests, our economies, are all going to depend on the institutional arrangements that we have across boundaries. and nato is an example of a really enduring multi-lateral institution that helped us get

through some very difficult times. but even the best of institutions have to be adopted -- adapted to new circumstances. that's true for organizations like nato, it's true for organizations like the u.n., it's true for organizations like the eu, it's true for all the -- all the architecture that has helped the world and our countries improve their standard of livings and reduce overall violence between states substantially over the last several decades. mark land er. >> thank you very much, mr. president. you've been scrupulous about say you would not comment on the justice department investigation of hillary clinton's e-mail. that investigation is now closed

and i hope that i could ask you about some of the comments that fbi director comey made a few days ago. as you know -- >> you may, mark, but i want you to make sure you're not wasting your question. i'm going to continue to be scrupulous about not commenting on it just because i think director comey could not have been more exhaustive. my understanding is not only did he make a full presentation but while we were over here or at least flying he was presenting to congress for hours on end. but i just want to give you a chance just in case you didn't want to burn your question. >> i actually have a backup. >> there you go. >> maybe i could cut to the chase and ask you about a broader question. >> sure. >> let's leave aside mrs. clinton for a moment. he did talking about the end of his presentation and how he feared there was a broader cultural issue in the state department toward the handling of classified information that troubled him. i wondered whether you, since you rely on the state department to conduct your foreign policy,

whether that concerns you as well. and if i may, could i ask another question because i think it might get an interesting response. you last may passed a milestone in that you are now president longer when the country was at war than your predecessor george w. bush. if you complete your presidency as you will with troops in afghanistan, syria, and iraq you will be the only two-term president in american history to have serve with the country at war. and i wonder, given the way that you ran for office and the aspirations you brought into office you feel about that reality and then a second follow-up on that, should the american people simply resign themselves to living in a state of perpetual war even if that war is not the all-out war that we think of in the 20th century. >> that was an interesting question. first of all, with respect to the state department, i am

concern concerned. and the challenge that we've got is primarily driven by the changing nature of how information flows. look, the advent of e-mail and text and smartphones is just generating enormous amounts of data. now, it is hugely convenient. it means that in realtime i'm getting information that some of my predecessors might not have gotten for weeks. but what it also is doing is creating this massive influx of information on a daily basis, putting enormous pressure on the

department to sort through it, classify it properly, figure out what are the various points of entry because of the cyber attack risks that these systems have, knowing that our adversaries are constantly trying to hack into these various systems. if you over-classify, then all of the advantages of this new information suddenly go away because it's taken too long to process. and so we've been trying to think about this in a smart way, and i think secretary kerry's got initiatives to try to get our arms around this. it reflects a larger problem in government. we just recently, for example -- i just recently signed a bill about freedom of information act

requests that built on a number of reforms that we've put in place. we're processing more freedom of information act requests and doing so faster than ever before. the problem is the volume of requests is skyrocketed, the amount of information that answers the requests has multiplied exponentially. you're seeing this problem. and it's a problem in terms of domestic affairs. it becomes an even bigger problem when you're talking about national security issues. so it is something that we're going to have to take care of. with respect to reflections on war. when i came into office we had 180,000 troops in iraq and afghanistan. today we have a fraction of

that. they are not involved in active combat situations but are involved in train, advice, and assist situations, other than the direct attacks that we launch against isil in conjunction with the iraq government and the syrian government. so in some way, mark, i think you would recognize that our military operations today in iraq and afghanistan are fundamentally different than the wars that we were engaged in when i came in to office. but i think you are making an important point, which ask when we are dealing with non-state actors and those non-state actors are located in countries

with limited capacity, our ultimate goal is to partner with those countries so that they can secure their borders and themselves eliminate these terrorist threats. but as we've seen in afghanistan, for example, that takes some time. the afghanistans are fighting. they are much more capable now than they were when i came in to office. but they still need support. because it's really tough territory and it's a really poor country with really low literacy rates and not much experience in things that we take for granted like logistics. and so we have an option of

going in, taking out al qaeda, pulling out potentially then seeing a country crumble under the strains of continued terrorist activity or insurgency and then going back in, or we can try to maintain a limited partnership that allows them to continue to build their capacity over time. and selectively take our own actions against those organizations that we know are trying to attack us or our allies. because they're non-state actors it's very hard for us ever to get the satisfaction of mcarthur and the emperor meeting and a war officially being over.

may aqi was defeated in the sense that we were able to execute a transition to a democrat democratically elected government. but for all of our efforts and the incredible courage and bravery and sacrifice of our troops the political structure there was still uneven. you had continued sunni resentments, continued deba debathificatoin and as consequence they were unable to reconstitute themselves and move into syria as syria began to engage in civil war, rebuild and come back in. some have argued that this is

the reason why we should have never pulled out of iraq or at least we should have left some larger presence there. of course the problem was that we didn't have an iraqi government that wanted them, unlike afghanistan where we had been invited. and it's very difficult for us to -- for me as commander in chief to want to put our troops in a precarious situation where they're not protected. so i think what we've been trying to do, what i have been trying to do, is to create an architecture, a structure, and it's not there yet, that emphasizes partnerships with countries, emphasizes building up fragile states, resolving internal conflicts wherever we can, trying to do as much as we

can through our local partners, preserving the possibility, the necessity to take strikes ourselves against organizations or individuals that we know are trying to kill americans or belgians or french or germans, combine that with much more effective intelligence gathering, but it becomes more of a hybrid approach to national security. and that i do think is probably going to be something that we have to continue to grapple with for years to come. the good news is that there are fewer wars between states than ever before and almost no wars between great powers.

and that's a great legacy of, you know, leaders in the united states, in europe, and asia after the cold war or after the end of world war ii that built this international architecture. that's worked and we should be proud of that and preserve it. but this different kind of low-grade threat, one that's not on exostential threat but can do grave harm to our society and create fear and cause division and, you know, political reacti reactions. you know, we have to do that better. we have to continually refine it. so, for example, the reason that

i put out our announcement about the civilian casualties resulting from drone attacks, understanding that there are those who dispute the numbers. what i'm trying to do there is to institutionalize a system where we begin to hold ourselves accountable for this different kind of national security threat and these different kinds of operations. and it's imperfect still but i think we can get there and what i can say honestly is whether we're talking about how the nsa operates or how drone strikes operate or how a partnering with other countries or my efforts to close guantanamo, that by the end of my presidency or banning torture, by the end of my

presidency i feel confident that these efforts will be on a firmer legal footing, more consistent with international law and norms, more reflective of our values and our ethics but we're going to have more work to do. it's not perfect. and we have to wrestle with these issues all the time and as commander in chief of the most powerful military in the world, you know, i spend a lot of time booting over this issues and i'm not satisfied that we've got it perfect yet. i can say honestly it's better than it was when i came in office. thank you very much, everybody. thank you, paul. >> you just spent the past 60

minutes listening to president obama speak live at the nato summit in warsaw, poland, 28 countries in total allied countries. the president started off his conversation with reporters there speaking about the massacre that took place in dallas on thursday night. he said america is not as div e divided as some have suggested. he went on to say that mass shooters do not define us or any one group. the president then moved on to some more global issues to address some of the guests there, the audience there. he talked about breck exxit, th migrant crisis, and he also talked about the war against isis and how we're combating that. he went on to answer five different questions from reporters, really a host of issues there. the conversation beginning obviously about dallas but then going on to speak about other huge headlines this week.

>> it was interesting to me about what he didn't say. you go back to the very beginning of his statements about dallas and about the police shootings. he used some pretty strong language in what he called those shootings and then went on to talk about the two people who were shot by police earlier in the week, two african-american men under what some call questionable circumstances. interestingly enough, he named both of these two men by name, never said the names of the five dallas police officers shot and killed in the line of duty. people asked him what caused this shooting. he said, well, it's a troubled mind mind. i don't really want to go into it. the dallas police said clearly what this shooter was motivated by. also the president didn't condemn any of the violent words and protests we've seen, especially in phoenix. those reports of protesters shouting at police, we should shoot you, never heard any kind of condemnation from that or full throated support of law enforcement and the job they do from the president. >> he was also pressed, if i'm

not mistaken, a.p. reporter asked him the question on whether or not he would continue on what he's been very vocal about supporting gun control. and he said basically that he's going to keep talking and that, you know, he may not be able to eliminate racial tension, these are his words, and perhaps eliminate every madman but he did say and he brought up the fact that perhaps men and women in uniform would have an easier job doing their jobs if there weren't weapons available to the public. and he used dallas as an example and he also had said in minneapolis there was a gun involved in that situation. >> right. the suspect who was ended up being killed by police, he did have a weapon on him. there was a lot of debate about that. you kind of wonder if the president really thinks that more gun laws is going to be what solves this problem. you think about chicago that has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, has some of the highest crime rates in the country as well.

circle the president did not square. bring in the political panel now, president and ceo of guy benson, town hall political editor. guy, start with you. the president was able to name those two african-american gentlemen who were shot and killed by police. he didn't name the five dallas police officers killed. do you think he knows their names if he had been asked that question? >> i'm not sure. i couldn't speak to that, leland. i did think watch that entire press conference the beginning, opening statement that he made was very nuanced. really, i think, president obama at his best. i found myself nodding along and feeling moved by what he said. of course during the q and a i think he missed the mark on a number of occasions. there's going to be a disagreement on gun control. i think one of the disconnects, for example, was he was talking about the need for more gun control as he often does, but then separately trying to quell panic within the american people or among the american people. he correctly noted that violent

crime rates are at a multi-decade low in the u.s. even as gun ownership has spiked. >> statistics can be misleading at times, guy. think about baltimore, the crime rate is through the roof as is the murder rate and a number of other cities is seeing the same thing. chicago, the president's own town, homicide rates, shooting rates, sky high as well. >> sure. yes, however, the national violent crime rate is way down. he also praised dallas in particular for their murder rate coming significantly down. a lot of that is attributable to very good policing. but also he went after texas open carry law, guess what, as murders are way down in dallas, which is in texas, open carries them a law there for decades. there were contracontradictions. he was unable to circle certain square or vice versa. the other point you touched on briefly was i don't understand why it is that the president and sometimes people within the administration as well cannot simply identify a motive that

could not be any clearer. this shooter, according to the dallas police, was angry with the police and wanted to kill white officers and that's what he did. and for the president to not specify that and say, well, he doesn't really know, just like attorney general lynch said we may never know the motive behind the orlando massacre in that gay club from an islamic, that just makes p me shake my head. >> we also heard from attorney general lynch, she told protesters don't be discouraged. at the same time, just hours after those words by the attorney general, there were protesters on the streets of phoenix chanting to cops "we should shoot you." we didn't hear any condemnation from the president about that and turn this around for a minute i think you probably agree had there been protesters chanting should we kill muslims, the president should speak about it. why isn't the president speaking out on this? >> i'm sorry, is that to me? >> yes. >> first of all, i think that you're not quite capturing the

thrust of what the president had to say. i think what's reflected of america is the protests and there are dozens of protests in the united states that were peaceful done by literally thousands of americans, protected by hundreds of police officers. that's also what we saw in dallas before the shooting. if you look on social media what you will see is a multi-racial tablet of arm in arm, smiling, getting their pictures taken. dallas is a model community, police community and community relations with the best relations around. that's not buy accident. that's due to training, transparency, and you will also notice as the president said, when the bullets started flying, the police didn't run for cover, they protected the protesters. >> yes. right. >> and so that's -- wait a minute. but that's america. and that's the america the president was speaking to. and that's what the attorney general was speaking to and said, this is a country where you should be able to peacefully protest and they are and you should be protected be i the police and they are. that's america.

there are isolated incidents of crazy homicidal people with various motives whether it's the charles town church shooting, orlando, dallas, or elsewhere, but we should remember this coming week there are going to be funerals and memorials in dallas and louisiana and minnesota. there are people who lost father, brother, sons, and uncles, and that's the america that should be focused. it shouldn't be the focus on trying to be divisive over different issues or what was said or wasn't said and trying to parse every other world to create controversy. >> as the president says, words matter. guy, to that end, do you think it's right to link these two situations, the massacre of police officers who are gunned down by a clearly hateful individual who had race on his mind and the killings perhaps justified, perhaps not, of two suspects by police officers in different states? >> well, i think in the suspect or in the deceased killer's mind

there was a link. and i think that was demented and what he decided to do was to take out his anger on a police force that had nothing to do with those incidents. >> i understand his mind they were linked. i'm asking dennis linked them as well. i wonder -- >> well, a lot of people have linked them. it's a very difficult week in america. these are dark days. there's no equivalency, of course, because even if you believe that the police in both of those cases in minnesota and in baton rouge acted inappropriately, broke the rules, may face some sort of charges or ought to face those types of charges, what you can't say is these are people who woke up in the morning with a racial animous on their mind that set out to go kill people which is what that guy in dallas did. that's a big difference. i think that there is a difficult time in the country right now where people of course understand the upheaval is linked even if there's not a moral equivalency between them. >> we're also hearing reports of

police being targeted in missouri, georgia, tennessee, as well. dennis -- >> we could focus on what unites us and divides us. we do have to remember that if you look at literally dozens and dozens of very peaceful protests of thousands and thousands of americans across this country who are protected by police officers doing their job, their tough job every day and when the bullets were flying in dallas they didn't turn on the protesters, they protected the protesters. >> i don't think there's anybody denying the heroism of the dallas police. >> the point is -- >> dennis, got to go, thank you. guy, as well. talk to you soon. wish we had more time. still ahead, coming to grips with their loss. confronting the cause of their pain. searching for understanding in dallas. >> to respond what's happened in the past 24 hours, the past 24 hours in dallas has been a tale of two cities.

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back to our lead story. the dallas police department has been recognized as leader in police chiefing. he implemented a series of reforms mant to improve relations between the force and the people who they protect. john matthews is assistant chief constable for dallas county and he joins us now. john, thank you so much for joining us, first and foremost, condolences to all the victims there in dallas and of course we are thinking about the men and women who are healing at this time. my first question to you is for a number of reasons, why was it such a surprise the style of attack on dallas when, in fact, really it's become a model of peace, if you will, the "dallas

morning news" saying that complaints of excessive force dropped 64% between 2009 and 2014. >> yeah, dallas has done a wonderful job of con necking with the community, of de-escalating potentially ve violent situations and under chief brown's leadership implementing many new community nir ti initiatives. this might have been one of those crimes of opportunity. we've seen it in mass shootings in the past where these offenders have targeted a movie theater where there's going to be a lot of people, a church, or a nightclub and this offender might have said this is his opportunity to make national news, to make headlines, and to get his word out. he might have seen that he was in the area. there was going to be a protest. and this is -- had a huge pool of soft targets which were officers that were protecting those protesters, watching the protesters and not realizing they were the targets. >> you talked a little bit about

community policing right off the top there. in fact, we just listened to about an hour of the president speaking. in fact, he mentioned the dallas efforts for community policing and, in fact, you were directly involved in that. explain to us what efforts have transpired over the past decade. >> yes, ma'am. i was very fortunate to have started the original community policing program back in the '90s. to work with the department of justice and to implement it throughout the agency and i think the chief has done a great job of expanding and promoting that initiative, of building bridges with the community. reaching out to them and letting them know we're all in it together. you know, we have a finite number of officers on the street protecting a community of a million people here in dallas. we can't do it alone. and so we realized a long time ago that we had to partner with our faith-based organizations and with the different groups represented all throughout this city of dallas if we were going to keep the citizens safe and secure. we need their information, we

need their knowledge, we need to sit down and work on their concerns and issues. we all want this community to be a safe place for us and for our families. >> you talk about all the efforts that you've put in over the past decade and how you've been such a leader in all this. how do you continue to carry the torch when perhaps it's fairly defeating when you see an attack of this nature? >> you have to look at the positive side of this and you have to say we're not going to let this get us down. you know, the officers don't do that. the very next day and all throughout the n shooting they were out there protecting the citizens. they were saying that's our job and what we need to do. i think moving forward as a department not only in dallas but all through the country, we've got to reconnect with our citizens. we've got to make sure that our actions follow our words, that we're joining with those community members that we're building those bridges, that we're truly listening to their concerns and addressing them so that both sides see this is a

win-win for both of us. so i hope it makes us even more determined to move forward in the future. >> what's the take away from thursday night? i had listened to some of your interviews previously and you said one of the take aways is situational awareness. why was thursday night such an anomaly in that instance? >> well, because we're the protectors of society, quite frankly. and we were guarding the citizens. we were making sure there was a peaceful demonstration and all of a sudden because of a madman we became the victim, we became the targets. and that's, you know, in law enforcement, there's always an inherent danger but i think we know across the country now that ambush attacks are up, attacks on officers are up. over the last several years, and we've got to be even more aware going forward of our safety. if we're going to protect the citizens we've got to be safe and we've got to be able to make it home at night. >> john matthews, i certainly wish that we had more time. you said there's always an inherent danger and that's why law enforcement including

yourself are such heroes. so thank you so much, sir. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, ma'am. still to come, take a good look at these five faces. the five officers killed in dallas. we will remember them and tell you a little bit about more than how they died. we're going to celebrate how they lived. this is the divide between police and the communities they protect continues to deepen. the justice department so far has had a tough time bridging that gap. >> to our brothers and sisters who wear the badge, i want you to know that i am deeply grateful of the difficult and dangerous work that you do every day to keep our streets safe and our nation secure. our hearts are broken by this loss. and the department of justice will do all that we can to support you in the days ahead.

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important as we follow the news out of dallas to take a moment and remember those who were killed and celebrate their

lives, there's an inscription on the national law enforcement memorial here in washington that reads, it's not how these officers died that made them heroes, it is how they lived. so now here's how they lived. 32-year-old patrick zamarippa lived his entire adult life in service to his community and before that to his country. he enlisted in the navy out of high school, serving three tours of duty in iraq before joining the dallas police force five years ago. devoted family man especially to his 2-year-old daughter. zim ripa loved his texas rangers and, of course, the dallas cowboys. >> and at 6'5", 300 pounds officer lorne ahrens played semi pro football in california but his dallas colleagues described the 48-year-old as a big teddy bear, a loving and devoted husband and father. ahrens was shot multiple times in the live. leaves behind his wife katrina, dallas detective, as well as two

children. >> michael krol traveled a thousand miles from his home in michigan to dallas for his dream job. family members say krol knew the dangers of the job and simply wanted to help people. he died at 40 years old. >> officer michael smith is being remembered as a salt of the earth guy who spent nearly three decades on the force. a husband and a father, he loved playing softball with his two daughters. smith was only 55. >> brent thompson, a newlywed, just two weeks ago he got married to a fellow dallas transit officer who was also former marine and first ever dallas rapid transit police officer killed in the line of duty. thursday night he was protecting the safety of train passengers. a colleague says thompson, 43 years old, was killed for one reason, because he was wearing a uniform. we now know that statement to be true. he leaves behind six adult children and a recent grandchild. you think about that as you noted, they all have daughters, that is at least five daughters

who will not have a father to walk them down the aisle. >> it's hard to listen to that. >> it is indeed. now we're looking at pictures of the memorial there in dallas. a police car covered in flowers attributes continue to pour in. we are here for another hour. coming up, back to texas for what investigators have pulled from the gunman's house and breaking down the political implications of what you just heard president obama calling for more gun control because of the dallas shooting. >> it was a horrific act of murder, plain and simple. i have also heard discussions of us versus them. there is no place for that attitude. either here in this city, with our police officers, or with our community. ♪ ♪

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a fox news alert as we begin hour three on this saturday. nice to be with you at home. nice to be with you here. thanks for staying with us. >> welcome to america's election headquarters from washington. >> we now know the names of the five dallas law enforcement officers who were killed in the line of duty thursday night. we know more about them, their families, and how they died. we're learning more also about the lone gunman who targeted them for the color of their skin and the badge they wore. casey steagal was there as the shots rang out in dallas thursday night. and joins us live from the scene. hi. >> hi, leland. agents with the atf, bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, are worki