tv Justice With Judge Jeanine FOX News July 10, 2016 6:00pm-7:01pm PDT
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of people are flowing nonstop, showing flowers, balloons for the fallen officers. candles and stuffed animals and signs, this is a nonstop flow of love from the community for fallen officers. we have learned quite a bit more now about the shooter in thursday night. the lone gunman in the attack. he not only presents bomb making materials in his home but had been practicing detonations according to the police chief, was refining combat skills by attending classes at a self defense gym, practicing military style maneuvers. police say they found a journal
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that he kept detailing the shoot and move strategy. sources tell fox, they found methamphetamine in johnson's home. and they found out he taunted the hostage negotiator, laughing, singing, asking how many cops he shot before threatening to kill more. the officer was wounded in the exchange of fire. writing messages in the wall in his own blood before they killed him with a blast. the fbi supporting dallas police department with 150 agents and other specialists, including some 70 members of the evidence response team painstakingly photographing and recreating the scene which could take two more days. we also now heard from at least one of the survivors, 37-year-old was at the protest march thursday and was shot in the calf while shielding her
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boys from the bullets. >> said yes, sir, i am hitting my leg. that officer jumped on top of me, covered me. there was another one at our feet. another one over our head. several of them lying against the wall over there and they stayed there with us. i saw another officer, saw another officer get shot. >> reporter: a lot of tears at the news conference today from taylor and her son. she said she hopes the community can come together, we are seeing that community come together outside police headquarters. you mention that the president is headed here tuesday along with the vice president. former president george w. bush will be here with his wife, will also make remarks at the memorial service tuesday. and the president will be meeting with victims' family
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members and survivors of thursday's shooting. judge? >> rick, the mood on the street today are the police becoming more comfortable with the safety and that there's no longer a threat? we know one shooter is gone but they were on edge yesterday. >> reporter: yeah, they were on edge yesterday because of threat to the dallas police department and its officers. we told you about the scene at the garage adjacent to the police department that was shut down, a s.w.a.t. team went in searching for someone. moments ago, judge, there was a man on the roof of a building across the street, apparently was up there to take a picture of himself. sight of a man on the rooftop sent people at the memorial scrambling for cover. it turned out to be nothing but police checked it out. there's a sense that seems they remain on edge. the other thing, you asked judge, about help they might need and be able to get.
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we mention that the fbi has a team. we know that there are 15, 20 at least state police troopers who have come here to dallas to assist with protecting that crime scene and doing anything else that they need them to do. also seeing state troopers here to pay respects before they begin their shift. we are also seeing a lot of people sharing hugs with officers outside the police department, which is, i'm sure, a great comfort to officers. >> you know, the irony is that everybody in dallas seems to have an affection for dallas police department. and that's -- none of the supposed motivations for the shooting happened in dallas. it's kind of frustrating. anyway, rick thanks. joining me author, radio host
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kevin jackson, also fox news contributor. welcome back. you were on last night, started talking about some numbers. i think it's clear that more than 90% of african americans who are killed are killed by other african americans. what i think is worth discussing even more is the percentage of african americans killed by cops compared to the number of whites killed by cops. what can you tell us? >> well, we talked about it yesterday that whites are killed, currently i believe now 562. of people killed by cops, 275 are white and 136 are black. the challenge you have is that whites outnumber blacks 3 to 1, that's a fact. what it doesn't take into account is the level of crime,
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black community, so when you add that in -- >> go ahead, kevin. >> when you throw in those numbers and i'm a mathematician, blacks are underrepresented in law enforcement in terms of what obama was talking about, traffic stops, detained by police, so on and so forth. so it is a misnomer to say more blacks are not being killed than whites, first of all, and per capita as relates to the amount of crime in black communities, unfortunately blacks are actually detained less. and it is substantially less. the only reason i bring it up, there are black people out there now mad at me. the reason i bring it up is if we're going to have a talk about this, realistically, we have to bring in everything and not have false narrative that blacks are being targeted maliciously. >> if i understand you correctly, when you say blacks are underrepresented, what you're saying is blacks are not targeted as often as the claim
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is by everyone from the white house to black lives matter, that in fact -- >> that is correct. >> because police are called into high crime areas more than they are other areas, in fact their lives are in more danger. is that correct? >> the truth be told, a white person is actually more likely to be shot and killed by a cop in relationship to the amount of crime in the white community. when you say that, people immediately go oh, you're an uncle tom or whatever, those are the facts. if we are having a discussion, we have to have facts. it doesn't military gait when a black person or other person is shot wrongly, but we're not going to have a right discussion until we do that. the problem with the left, judge, is they never want to have this discussion. they play it off. one of the stats i gave you, 6,000 blacks were killed last year in the united states. less than 200 by police
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officers. if 93% of blacks are killed by other blacks, that's a substantial number of blacks killing people in the united states. >> one of the things that is now starting to get attention is the resisting arrest, the argument that if some people just listen to the command of the police officer, there wouldn't be this problem and there's a recent article that talks about the fact that african americans are cited for resisting arrest at a higher rate at the very least in san francisco. what does that tell you in terms of the shootings? >> in terms of san francisco, so blacks resist arrest eight times more than whites. and what happens, for example, a cop rolls up and you and told you have a gun in the case of sterling and sterling resisted arrest. now everybody looks at the video after the fact and says look what the cops did, but the cops
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rolled up on the scene, put themselves in harm's way, went towards what potentially could be gunfire to disarm this man because someone was being menaced by sterling with his weapon, so the idea that you blame the cops for saying we need to de-escalate the situation so we get to go home to our families is ridiculous. we're looking at the outcome and not looking at anything that led up to this. same with castille. we hear he was pulled over because of a broken taillight. he was pulled over because he fit the description of be on the lookout for someone that did an armed robbery. >> so you have police that are on edge because they know that they could be confronted by a gun or, you know, they've got someone, warrants might be outstanding, so that kind of adds to the level of intensity in terms of the police response. and finally i'm going to ask you, kevin, how dangerous is it
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for police out there? >> it is unbelievably dangerous and people again, i get called all kinds of names, they say kevin, why are you doing this to the black community. i say look, i am a black man. every time a cop rolls up, i am a nice guy. i have to go through the same routine as if i am a hardened criminal. this is not what we need to leave behind for a generation of young black men to be fearful because of what these thugs are doing. and people that shot these guys when you led off the program correctly, nobody is talking about this as a hate crime. they talk about it as if it is no big deal. this is a big deal. cops are not going to roll up on young black men and have the same feeling that they had when they roll up on other people. that is pathetic. >> kevin jackson, thanks for being with me. joining me, former d.c. detective, rod wheeler. rod, you're out of dallas, you're back home? >> that's right. i just got back today.
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i have been doing a little research, kind of comparing differences, judge, between the original black panther party which was a very positive, effective organization. you may remember back in the '60s and '70s, and then the new black panther party. >> i hate to admit it, i do remember it, rod. go ahead. >> i know. we like to act like we wasn't around then, but we were. the original black panther party, they actually did a lot of good in the african-american communit >> they worked with the community, that's right. >> absolutely. they had sickle cell clinics, provided medical assistance, food programs and things like that. the difference with the new black panther party, they're trying to find their way so to speak, they're more volatile, more hostile. actually what i think they're trying to do is jump on the bandwagon of the black lives matter movement which i honestly believe, i think i shared with you last night that black lives matter movement isn't all that
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bad of a movement as long as they stay focused on the issues and not necessarily become violent. >> rod, last night we had jay christian adams on, he was in the justice department, he was part of the team that was prosecuting that voting rights case where the new black panthers apparently showed up with bats and there was a threat and the obama administration dropped the case. >> that's right. >> one of the things you talked about in the new article he wrote is that the obama justice department laughed off the armed black panther threat. this new black panther movement, there was discussion by the head of it in houston that the shooter in dallas was a member of it. >> right. >> i mean, they promote violence against whites and against cops which is exactly what this guy said. i didn't want to look in the face, i don't want to say his name, the shooter, all right, and then we have a president and
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attorney general who not call this a hate crime. is that right? >> that's not right. i think president obama's intentions are good, i mean, i do. that's not what a lot of people want to hear. i think his intentions are good. i think loretta lynch's intentions are good, just jaded in terms of policies and the way they look at things. judge, this is a hate crime. we all know that. >> you know what, i have to stop you there. it is like jihad radical islamic terrorism. we all know what it is but can't say it. rod, in your career, have you ever seen a more clear hate crime where the shooter defendant says i'm shooting them because they're white, i'm shooting them because of the color of their skin, i'm shooting them because they're cops. and the attorney general can only say we're going to louisiana and minnesota and start some civil rights investigations. why not start a civil rights
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investigation into someone who is a member of the black panthers, but that's just me. >> judge, you make a valid point. the justice department, you'll find this interesting, they classified the new black panther party as a hate group. as a hate group. they actually classified them as a radical hate group. then final notice here, down at the pulse nightclub when that shooting took place, remember that guy omar mateen made it clear why he shot those folks up, who he was giving praise to at the time. and the united states government, our president, loretta lynch said they need to figure out why he did what he did. it is kind of ridiculous. >> they're scrubbing reports of a shooter, we need to know what he's saying, they're taking that stuff out. i still love you, rod wheeler, but i don't agree with you.
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>> fair enough. good to talk to you. picking up the pieces in dallas, the deputy of the devastate police department is standing by to talk to me live about the investigation into the shooting as well as life on the streets. justice rolls on in a moment. think fixing your windshield is a big hassle? not with safelite. this family needed their windshield replaced, but they're daughters heart was set on going to the zoo. so we said if you need safelite to come to the zoo we'll come to the zoo! only safelite can fix your windshield anywhere in the us. with our exclusive mobileglassshops. and our one of a kind trueseal technology, for a reliable bond. service that fits your schedule. that's another safelite advantage. ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ this woman... this cancer patient... christine... living her life... loving her family.
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after the massacre of five police officers last week and shooting of other civilians, dallas police department continues to serve the public and honor its calling. good evening, chief. i am so sorry as all of america is for the loss in your department. first time you have been on since it happened. i want to ask you how the police department in the next few days, when the funerals start are going to be able to handle that along with increased concern over attacks as well as with heightened worry? >> first, thank you for having me on again, judge.
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i want to extend my condolences myself to the family, friends and loved ones and my family in blue in the nation and around the world. thank you for having me on. i can tell you in north texas and dallas fort worth area, we have some of the greatest law enforcement agencies this country ever produced. they're coming to our aid. they offered mutual help and extended their hand. i know we're going to be able to handle everything that's going on in the city because policing doesn't stop because crime seemingly doesn't stop. so our brothers and sisters in blue from neighboring agencies, chiefs extended a hand to our chief, david brown, the mayor, mike rollins. i able to handle everything that's going on, even though our hearts are heavy and we are full of sorrow and grief. it has been 27 years of law enforcement, judge, i never felt this way. and never had a feeling like this. many of my colleagues, officers
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told me stories of what occurred, we are in a state of disbelief and shock. this is unbelievable. >> chief, we were talking about the new black panther party and the fact that the head of it in houston, claimed that the shooter who will remain nameless on this show was a member and attended several meetings. are you concerned that you've got this new black panther party calling on people to get armed and to shoot cops and, you know, at the same time people are protesting against cops. why are peopn't people protesti honoring police? >> i have been saying, america should understand what law enforcement means to the country. we need the community and the community needs the police. i don't ever want that dissolved
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to the point we result in violence. any kind of hate group, anybody that perpetrates violence against a police officer, my brothers and sisters, i'm not with that. i'm not with any organization or group. >> chief, i know you're not, but aren't you disheartened that the public isn't protesting them, saying you're promoting violence, shooting men and women who are protecting you, but let me move on from that. there's a hate crime -- >> hold up, judge. i think out here we've had our relationship with those parties you mentioned has not been that kind of combative thing, we worked on community policing. on this square behind you we see a lot of love and support from people in dallas and across the state and across the country. they did confront some people out here. >> good. >> i have seen with my own eyes, detractors that seemingly want
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to do us harm, want to bring a revolution in the wrong spot at the wrong time. i have seen great citizens stand up against those people that want to come to this square where we are grieving for lost brothers and don't tolerate it. >> good. >> i want to express that to the world that love is here on this square. >> let me ask you a final question. texas has a hate crimes law. you have the attorney general of the united states along with the president making comments about the fact that -- the president was talking about when dylan roof and five cops are shot. no one mentions it is a hate crime. no one mentions when you have a shooter that lays out clear intent and his intent is hate, targets are selected based on the color of their skin, he admits it, comes out of his mouth. i would have loved that in hate
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crimes i prosecuted. are you not disheartened that no one can mention your guys were targeted because of the color of their skin and we can't even call it what it is? >> judge, i hope you can hear me. we have a lot of motorcycles going by here now. i thought i heard you, i believe the officers according to the killer's own words, talking specific people, you heard the chief and mayor mention it, and i am quite disturbed that he targeted them. wearing a uniform and were white. i have officers out here of color. >> all right. we're having a little trouble with audio. want to thank malik aziz for being here. colonel allen west is in and we will get his take on the shootings and anti-police
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live from america's news headquarters, lauren green. new details about two hour negotiations the dallas shooter. the city police chief says micah johnson taunted them, asking how many cops he shot. later used his own blood to paint rv on the wall where he was killed. investigators are working to decode that message. he killed five officers last week and injured seven more. crews in california are making progress against a brush fire burning north of los angeles. officials say it is now 20% contained. the evacuations for some 2,000 people have been lifted. firefighters taking advantage of cooler temperatures to build a perimeter around flames that
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charred nearly two square miles of thick brush. back to justice with judge jeanine. welcome back to the special sunday edition of "justice." let's give you a live look at more protests against police going on at this hour. this is in memphis where hundreds of protesters are in the streets, stopping traffic, causing disturbances. protests are going on in other major cities, including boston and memphis. we are monitoring and will let you know if things get out of hand. meanwhile, tonight it has gone viral. we're giving you another chance to see my opening statement from last night's show. take a look. americans got over the racial divide when we elected a black president. not only once but twice.
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americans overwhelmingly voted for the man, blind to his color. his color made no difference to american voters, long past the issue of race, voters long past the civil war, long past the civil rights era focused more on the content of the character than the color of the skin. but this week's shooting of 12 police officers and 2 civilians in dallas is a reflection of a new deep division created by that very man. the shooting in dallas was not just about racism. make no mistake that dirt bag shooter who will remain nameless in this open was a racist. an african-american, he wanted to kill only white people, especially white officers. and the shooting in dallas wasn't just about police brutality. i have news for you, folks,
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police brutality is color blind, it crosses all racial and ethnic lines. i know. i prosecuted them. and it wasn't just about someone mentally ill. i've always found that stigma too easy an excuse for evil. and it wasn't about guns either. dallas was about anarchy. it was about lawlessness. it was about rhetoric, the rhetoric that too easily inflames those that feel wronged. those that stoke the flames and scars of old wounds resolved long ago. at a time when americans are both experiencing and fearing the reality of a muslim jihad against us, our president at a prayer breakfast no less attempts to reconcile or explain murders in the name of allah with this. >> unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the crusades and the
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inquisition people committed terrible deeds in the name of christ. in our home country slavery, jim crow all too often was justified in the name of christ. >> after the shooting of 12 police officers, he seeks to again remind us not of the situation of the 12 officers shot, the shooting and the injured and the trauma that surrounded it but instead talks of the deaths of two african americans, a follow-up that seems like another get off your high horse, folks, it's your turn. >> americans of all races and all backgrounds also rightly saddened and angered about the deaths of alton sterling and castille and the larger persistent problem of african americans and latinos being treated differently in our
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criminal justice system. >> the problems of african americans and latinos being treated differently in our criminal justice system. every chance he gets, he stock exchange the flames. example. trayvon martin. powered by a not guilty verdict, and michael brown, a thug that tried to grab a cops's gun and got himself shot. there wasn't even grand jury indictment and federal charges against the police officer. ferguson was about anarchy. anyone with a functioning brain would have to assume for michael brown to grab a cop's gun suggests it wasn't his first encounter with the law. who told brown that he, not the law, should be in control? yet the department of justice and attorney general and high end government officials all rush to ferguson, to his funeral as well. and baltimore, another training ground for anarchists, a perceived wrong. response based on rhetoric of
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racial injustice and hate. that should be a violent protest? burning of businesses many of which are owned by african americans. going to a microphone, announces indictment of six cops, hears the calls of a lawless mob. again, all the police painted as racist get no convictions. it was an african-american judge that made the calls. in new york, the champ, what do we want, dead cops, when do we want them, now. two cops eating lunch in a squad car are assassinated not long after. when we have leaders that vehemently support first amendment language and protests that call for the deaths of those that wear the badge, then caution the rest of us not to say something that would offend another's religion. >> if in fact we defend the legal right of a person to insult another's religion, we're equally obligated to use our free speech to condemn such
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insults and stand shoulder to shoulder with religious communities, particularly religious minorities who are targets are such attacks. >> our president upon hearing of the assassination of five police officers, all white, and shooting of another seven officers wants to talk about a white kid walking into a black church shooting. mr. president, why are you even bringing this up. same thing you did at the prayer breakfast. after he has his head cut off, you talk about the crusades, as if it is your turn. mr. president, you have done nothing but tell us we deserve it. you have done nothing but look back in the rearview mirror. when i look at dallas, all i saw were whites and blacks running away from anarchy. all i saw were whites and blacks
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picking each other up. that's the america i see, and no one is going to change my mind, no one, not even you, mr. president, is going to do that. remember, you can watch my opening statements any time by friending me on facebook and on twitter. colonel allen west on the shootings and what's behind all of this hatred against police.
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go somewhere. i'm going to be talking to white people. i think we're the ones that have to start listening to legitimate cries that are coming from our african-american fellow citizens. >> the democratic presidential nominee weighing in on race relations as a country is mourning five police officers murdered because of the job they do and the color of their skin. joining me with reaction, former florida congressman, colonel allen west. all right, colonel. we've got to start listening to the legitimate cries from our african-american fellow citizens. was that an appropriate thing for her to say after five officers were shot? >> well, of course not, and it is a pleasure to be with you, judge, but you have to understand that was the most disingenuous, offensive, pandering statement that the presumptive democratic nominee would put out there because this is not about rectifying issues in the black community.
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i grew up in inner-city atlanta, georgia, same community that gave us kimartin luther king junior, same high school that produced clyde walt frazier, and the incredible mayor of jackson. what needs to happen, the legitimate concerns, first and foremost, in 50 years since lyndon johnson, seen the two parent household in the black community -- horrific examples of lack of education opportunities. it was president obama in april, 2009 who cancelled the d.c. school voucher program for minority kids, yet his kids go to sidwell friends. you see incredibly high unemployment. >> colonel, when she says we're not listening, what are we supposed to do? >> well, the thing is it is not
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that she is listening to the real legitimate concerns. what she wants to put forth is an agenda of victimization, an agenda of dependency because that's how they continue to have this electoral strangle hold on the black community because if they're talking about economic independence and economic empowerment, that doesn't bode well for them. they have to talk about economic enslavement and continue to stoke the flames of racism as you saw the minnesota governor say, as you talked about a little earlier in the show in your speech yesterday, the president continues to shift the narrative on this issue. >> colonel, why is it that the public isn't discussing the fact that african americans are worse off under an african-american president, and an african-american attorney general, african-american head of department of homeland security. taking out the actual words of a
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shooter in orlando and scrubbing all of these reports, saying they're going to start a civil rights investigation in louisiana, we're going to provide assistance to local authorities in minnesota. what is this about? they can't even say the word hate crime. >> it is the new american socialist party. they don't want to talk about legitimate concerns or talk about whatever you want to do, create a swirl effect, false narrative. if anyone were to peel the onion back, look at the unemployment rate, look at the breakdown of the family, look at the lack of education opportunities, you don't feel hillary clinton or barack obama talk about education choice or vouchers or charter schools or home schooling. they don't talk about those things which really help the black community. >> you know, we could talk about
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that, might be a difference of opinion. it just strikes me as incredibly strange when you have police officers who are killed that we don't start throwing out there the fact that we have to support the police, and the truth is when the police go into african-american communities, it is more dangerous for them than any other community. well, interestingly enough, hillary clinton and barack obama are from chicago. you don't hear them talk about cries and concerns that came when you had 62 shootings. this once again has to be realized by the black community that this is disingenuous, nothing more than pandering, all they're trying to do is create more victims. >> finally, colonel west, what do you see going forward for law enforcement in this country? >> well, i think that we have to
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continue to wrap our arms around our law enforcement community. the church that i attend in dallas, one of the officers killed is a member of that church, we reflected on that today. so we have to reach out, let them know that the voices they hear are the voices of a minority, not voices of those of us staying with the thin blue line. >> colonel allen west, thanks for being with us tonight. >> my pleasure. thank you, judge. more details on the dallas investigation and protests, live from the scene next. no artificial flavors, preservatives, sweeteners. no colors from artificial sources. 100% of our food will be clean by year's end. that's food as it should be. ♪
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♪ we've been following breaking news throughout the hour. three nights since the attacks on police officers in dallas, and protesters against the police are still out in full force. this is video just in to fox news from memphis, where a large group of protesters have shut down a bridge. there are no reports of arrests or violence stemming from this demonstration, but it's obviously causing a big disturbance on that bridge that crosses the mississippi river. this is one of several protests going on tonight. people are out on the streets in atlanta and boston as well. as always, keep it on fox news channel and foxnews.com for the latest. let's check back in with fox news senior correspondent rick
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leventhal live in dallas. rick? >> reporter: and judge, a very different kind of gathering here in front of the dallas police headquarters. we had a sing-along earlier and now a prayer in spanish right behind me as people come here to the headquarters of the police to express their love and respect and admiration for those fallen officers and for the officers who continue to protect and serve. and one of the people who's come here tonight is joya jefferson. she's a schoolteacher in the dallas area. what brought you here tonight? >> well, i just wanted to come out and show respect for the fallen officers, for everyone in the community as a whole. >> reporter: how badly did it hurt to see what happened here last thursday night? >> when i turned the tv on it was shocking to know something like this is occurring in dallas or anywhere, period. right now at this time in the world it's sad to see so many lievgz are being taken for foolishness. >> reporter: this was a black man who said he hated white people and especially white officers and wanted to kill them, and this was at a protest against police brutality against
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african-american men. so your reaction to that part of the story. >> my reaction, i feel like all lives matter, white, black, every nationality. so two wrongs don't make a right. so the decision that he decided to make was totally wrong. all the decisions to kill is totally wrong. all lives matter. killing one another is not solving a problem. i think we need to come together as a whole in the community and stop the killing. >> reporter: and as a schoolteacher this is something that you can share and teach to your students? >> yes, very much so. in my classroom it's something i will definitely sit down and get the opinions of my students and see how they feel about it. this is what we try to stress to our students, to come together as a whole, stop all the bickering and the fighting. at the age i teach right now, middle school, it's pretty obvious that that's what goes on in middle school. but we have to teach our children the wrongs and the rights and try to teach them so when they get older they'll know the difference between right and wrong. >> thank you, joya. a teacher here in the dallas area. obviously, something that joya was telling me earlier, that's
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just torn this community apart, the act on thursday night. but what you're seeing here tonight behind me, judge, is this community rallying and coming back together and trying to show that there is love and respect for the dallas police department and we're seeing it here tonight. >> you know what? we've been seeing it since it happened. thanks so much, rick. and that's it for us tonight. remember, friend me on facebook and follow me on twitter and on instagram at judge underscore jeanine. thank you so much for watching. see you next week. it'sand your doctor at yoto maintain your health.a
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