coverage. live breaking news about this horrible terrorism and i will call it terrorism in nice, france tonight. ♪ ♪ hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. two major stories breaking even as i speak here. donald trump has chosen indiana governor mike pence as his running mate apparently but now things may be changing in that arena. also another mass murder in france, terrorism likely. just a few hours ago, thousands were celebrating bastille day on the french rivera. suddenly a large truck plowed through a crowd that had gathered to watch fireworks in nice. truck killed scores of innocent people and wounded more than 100. french police shot the truck

driver dead we are told. the attack has already had a profound effect on america as donald trump has postponed the introduction of his vice president tomorrow morning. joining us now on the phone from his manhattan headquarters is mr. trump. so let's take the terrorist act and everybody now believes that's true because the french authorities have turned over the investigation to their anti-terror unit. if this is proven to be the case, i believe it's a world war now. we are in a world war scenario. it's no longer just isolated isis attacks. do you agree with that? >> i certainly do. and i have been saying it for a long time. it's out of control. we have a president that doesn't want to call it what it is. you look at world trade center. you look at san bernardino. you look at paris. 130 people killed and so many injured in paris from that attack. you look at orlando.

it's out of control. bill, unless we get strong and really strong and very, very smart leadership, it's only going to get worse. >> okay. but, let's do tactics tonight. because you could be president in five months. and then another two to be sworn in. if it's a world war, then you have to mobilize nato. you have to get all the nato countries to say we are going to commit forces both ground and air to wipe isis off the face of the earth. do you not? >> i would say that would be just fine. i have been saying it we should use nato for its -- for a purpose. i mean, we're spending a fortune on nato. we have countries in nato that don't make a fair contribution. we are supporting nato and we should at least get something out of it and getting rid of isis and getting rid of this cancer that we're watching all over the world, that certainly would be a good thing, a good thing for nato to be involved in. >> all right. would you go to congress and

ask for a declaration of war? >> i would. i would. this is war. if you look at it is war coming all different parts. war, dealing with people without uniforms. you know, in the old days you would have uniforms. you knew what you were fighting. these people -- we are allowing people into our country who we have no idea where they are, where they are from, who they are, they have no paperwork, they have no documentation in many cases and hillary clinton wants to allow a 50% more than even obama and he is letting them in by the thousands. >> okay. >> it's out of control. >> we may have secretary clinton later on in the broadcast. we are efforting to get her on as well. there have been or there will be by the end of the summer 10,000 syrian refugees. 20% women. 60% children. 20% men. so, 10,000 have been earmarked.

they will be here by the end of the summer. do you consider those people threats? >> yes. >> do you consider them security threats. >> of course i do. we have no idea. we have no idea in many cases. i have been studying in situation. law enforcement says you really can't tell where they come from. they may be isis. this may be the great trojan horse of all time. this may be the ultimate trojan horse. >> the 10,000 refugees to be threats. >> the president just made a statement. i will read you the first line of it and you can react to it. >> on behalf of the american people i condemn in the strongest terms what appears to be a horrific terrorist attacks in east france which killed and wounded dozens of innocent civilians. our thoughts and prayers are with the prayers and loved ones of those killed. again he said terrorist attack. >> we don't know if it's isis the heavy odds are heavy 100 to 1 odds are it is isis carry out something like this on a soft target.

paris is a war zone now. security is so tight there you, i know, have been on the record of blaming barack obama as being far too soft on fighting islamic terrorism do you think this is going to change the equation tonight? >> you never know with him. i mean, why he refuses to use the term radical islamic terror and frankly in this case wait a little while and let's see what happens. who knows. maybe you will be surprised and maybe we will all be surprised certainly possible but not probable. >> it's possible but let's just wait. it won't take long to find out. >> they know now and as i just reported french police would not have handed it over to the anti-terror forests inside france if they didn't suspect terrorism. >> wait a minute, bill. we have a president who doesn't want to acknowledge what our problem is he doesn't want to use the term radical islam terror. we have a person running against me, hillary clinton.

that frankly, if i didn't force her to use it and she still hasn't used the term but she said she would if she had to. but she is another one. she is very weak and she is actually the one and him that really caused much of this problem. >> by the failure to keep troops in iraq and then that raised up isis, they were able to organize because we didn't have american forces there. now, this directly affected you. nbc news reported that you chose governor mike pence as your vice president. that he got on a plane in indianapolis and flew to teterboro, new jersey. is that accurate. >> i'm not going to comment on anything. >> can you just say it's accurate. it's nbc news reporting accurately? >> hold it one second. >> okay. >> nbc news often doesn't report accurately i can tell. >> you but in this case? >> let me just tell you i had a news conference planned for tomorrow. and out of this respect for this horrific situation i

just think it was inappropriate to have the news conference tomorrow. we will announce tomorrow when it will be. >> okay. >> i felt in light of this horrible situation. this horrible attack it would be inappropriate tomorrow morning at 11 o'clock to have a news conference. >> and i think most people would agree with that you can tell me if governor pence is in new york tonight? i might want to take him out after. >> let me say this. i have great respect for governor pence. i also have great respect for newt. i have great respect for chris, chris christie. we have some tremendous people in the republican party but i will be making the announcement at the appropriate time. >> you are slotted to do "60 minutes" on sunday. i know they are expecting to you show up so you will be there with your vp pick, correct? >> well, in light of what's happened tonight, in light of this, you know, absolutely horrific attack, you know, i'm not sure that i'm feeling good about doing "60 minutes" and i'm not sure that "60 minutes" is going to want to do anything other than this attack.

we have to get to the bottom of this. there is something very evil going on. there is something very bad going on and we better get awfully tough and awfully smart and vigilant quickly. our world is becoming a much, much different place. >> as we both agree, it's a world war now. and it better be acknowledge that. now, let me ask you this, many, many americans are afraid of terrorism, they are afraid of uretion, they are afraid of hillary clinton as all the polls show that if you are going to then launch us into a war and congress would have to approve it and all that, are you confident that we could win this war quickly. >> scores not hard to do that. >> we will have to make a very big statement. right now they are making us

look so bad. we have to make a very big statement. our youth is being lost to us. much much our youth joining isis. they think isis is winning. they have to make a very big and a very bold and a very strong statement as far as being afraid of me, everything that i see that they like me. i am the person that's believing in law and order, okay? we need law and order in our country. we need to stop with the borders. we need to stop allowing people to come into our country who we don't know where they are from and who they are. and there is going to be plenty of them from isis. i used to say possibly. but now it's almost inevitable that's what's it's going to be. we have over 1,000 investigations going on right now on radical islamic terror right now. more than we have ever had. now, hillary clinton and obama want to allow more people into our country. what are they too long? >> are you, if you are going to run as the law and order

candidate as you say you are, are you going to replace loretta lynch as attorney general and james comey as the head of the fbi? are you going to do that? >> i don't want to comment on that but, of course, you know, i was very disappointed when i saw what happened when you go over point after point. she was proven to be a liar. she got rid of 33,000 emails. she did so many things that were so dishonest and then to hear that she gets a pass and that other people, bill. >> i can't imagine -- >> -- lives are ruined and destroyed, i mean, that was terrible. >> if you shake up the fbi and the attorney general not so much. chris christie can do that job. but if you shake up the fbi, that would be -- >> -- just so you understand, i'm a big fan of the yib. but i was very surprised at what took place last week. >> that was director comey's call. you know that some people in the fbi wanted her to be indicted and i believe that to be true. is it possible and i hate to ask questions like this but i must pause everybody is locked in on the campaign

and what's going to happen. is it possible that you had your vice president selected and because of this terror attack you changed your mind where you are leaning in another direction? did the terror attack influence your selection of your vice president? >> no, absolutely not. >> okay. >> what's happened is i think it would be totally inappropriate to have a news conference on a vice presidential pick tomorrow in light of, you know, so many people dead and so many people. >> so whoever you picked, whoever you picked and nbc news is reporting it's pence and they didn't couch it they just said donald trump is picking pence. pence got on a mane. is he in new york now. nbc news didn't consult you. they said this is what it. >> it had nothing to do with this attack. >> that's a good piece of information. >> we will be very, very strong, if i win, we will be very, very strong and we will be very, very smart. >> okay. now, i have to give mr. trump a compliment whether you like him or not, you're going to vote for him or not, whatever.

donald trump reacts, all right. when we call donald trump, and he is the republican nominee, all right? and you want to hear what he thinks about a terror attack in france. he gets on the phone with, what? 8 minutes did i congeal you? i yelled at you for eight minutes? you got on the phone. you talked to the american people directly. and i think everybody has to admire that. i really do. do you want a last word on it? >> i appreciate your statement. but, to me, it's routine. it's automatic. we had a horrific attack. many, many people -- i mean, they have no idea how many people. i just saw scenes on television, bill. maybe the worst scenes i have ever seen. bodies laying in the street. i think they are not going to show it so much. we have to get this stopped. we are living in a different world. this is no good. when you call and you are right 8 minutes or 5 minutes or 2 minutes. >> i really have to compliment you and people have to know that you were

in a meeting, came out of the meeting. you got on the phone with us to talk to the american people directly and that's what the american people need. they need to hear from their leadership. >> it's a terrible thing that's happening to the world. and when you say a phone call, it's out of obvious what s to be done. we are living in this politically correct place where you have a president who won't say what it is. he won't talk about the problem. no, i believe in being direct, and i believe in solving problems and other people can't do that. >> tens of millions of people heard you now. we appreciate you coming on very much. again, we are efforting hillary clinton to come on in a phone call on this hour. her staff has been very cooperative with us tonight, i will say that and we hope that she will do that. now, let's bring in bret baier from cleveland who as has the stats on the story is changing by the minute. so what's the latest, bret? >> bill, just moments ago french authorities said the death toll now is at 75.

75 dead in nice, france along the water front there. as a truck plowed through the crowd sitting in front of cafes, also shooting into the crowd, the person, the truck driver did, and this attack is being treated as terrorism as you mentioned by the french authorities. u.s. officials we have talked to say that it does bear the marks of isis. they note that isis social media sites have been praising this attack and celebrating it. they point to the islamic state in recent weeks saying that any -- any member should do anything they can, use any means to kill westerners. and one of the means they talked about in some of these communications was using a truck. this truck itself, a large white truck that you see there on the screen was filled with arms and grenades. they did not go off. the truck driver was killed by authorities on the ground. as it started happening, people there on the ground,

bill, said they heard the crack of gunfire. someone firing from the window there. and one witness saying a fraction of a second later an enormous white truck came along at a crazy speed turning to mow down the maximum number of people. i saw bodies flying like bohling pins along its road. heard noises cries i will never forget. this truck traveled one mile. you will see video. we have shown just pieces of video that is surfacing on the internet that is horrific. with bodies strewn for almost a mile throughout nice. french authorities, the french president francois hollande instituting a state of emergency. by the way he was getting ready to lift on july 26th. you will remember the november 13th attack in paris killing 130. the suicide attacks, the gunmen in that concert hall and stadium then.

so, again, the latest, bill, is 75 dead. that number could rise according to authorities up to as many as 100 and right now you have seen the president with his statement and is he offering assistance of u.s. officials to help with the investigation. bill. >> okay. now we are going to bring bret back about the political ramifications. i do want to ask you one question. it does seem that this attack in france has influenced the presidential campaign. if the nbc news report is accurate governor pence is here in new york and getting ready for the 11:00 press conference tomorrow which is now cancelled. does that information that he is indeed the v.p. selection als mr. trump said he didn't change his mind or won't change his mind because of a taste attack. is that information that pence is the man and is here in new york, do you believe it's accurate? have you heard that. >> here is what i know is accurate. we had producers all over the ground following planes from indianapolis to new york and we believe we

spotted governor pence on the ground at a private airport in new york. >> in teterboro, new jersey. >> i'm sorry, new jersey. but it was landing to go to new york. and what i also know is accurate is that the trump campaign at the highest level said the decision as of tonight had not been final. and that there was some anger about how the day had unfolded from the indiana side, from republican side and that it was affecting the final decision. you just talked to the presumptive nominee and it sounds like he has made up his mind. but we have talked to all kinds of folks who said it has not been officially made up. and it is affecting this terror attack is affecting the announcement which will likely be saturday. >> it will be interesting to see if it effects the decision. i don't think so. i think donald trump knows who he wants and he will make the announcement when he thinks it's appropriate.

okay. so we are going to bring bret back in a little while because we have got to introduce mike pence to the audience. you know newt gingrich pretty well. but mike pence is still kind of a mystery to a lot of people. i want to take everybody to nice, france, on the line is hamza bin abood who witnessed the attack today. he attends american university in that rocco. is he vacationing in the south of france. okay. we just lost the phoner from nice. we will have that come back when we get it luckily right next to me we have geraldo rivera put the camera on geraldo for a second. they wanting to see what he looks like. they don't remember. this is deja vu because you and i were here in the boston marathon bombing in the same kind of situation. a live, fluid situation. and it doesn't seem like terrorism has abated one single bit from that terrible day in boston. >> even more urgent in the rivera family because as you

recall my daughter simone was in the stadium in paris when the terrorist attack outside the throw suicide bombers exploded detonated their vests outside. they did not get in thank god and my daughter was fine. france, again, on bastille day. it is their july 4th. i have never done this on television, bill. i want to do it tonight. i urge people we because of our discretion have decided not to show most of these horrific scenes from the carnage. but you have to if you have the stomach for it. you have to see what this person did to these innocent revelers on the south of france watching the fireworks on their independence day. he took this loaded truck, at high speeds, and he mowed it through people gathered in their bathing suits, in their summer frocks, you have been there, the south of france is just joyful and open and people are having a wonderful, wonderful time and at high speed he took

that white truck and he used it as a weapon and he ran them over at high speed and the carnage is unbelievable. the 75 dead litter that grand boulevard there. there are people who have lost limbs. they have lost -- some are tee cap at a timed. they are squashed. it is horrifying to see. people hot instant before were just having fun celebrating independence day. watching the fireworks. and then these savages, it has all the hallmarks of isis. they have not, as far as i know. >> no but the jihadists are celebrating it just the celebration on the internet from the jihadists just that alone is enough to declare war on these people. so let's get to the bigger picture that i have been pounding this drum as you know for years. the world needs to declare war on islamic terrorism, the world. we need to know which nations are going to join us and which nations are not going to join us.

enough. wouldn't you say enough? >> i don't know if it is related but you will recall that just about 24 hours ago francois hollande announced that france was sending its aircraft carrier back to help us in the fight against isis. in other words, charles de gaulle their aircraft carrier is going to be off the coast of syria pounding the isis position in syria and iraq. i don't know if this is related. this seems to have preplanned prior to that. we are clearly at war. i spent a lot of time reporting for you and fox news from iraq during the surge 2007, 2008, 2009. there is no doubt that when he we were putting the military pressure, profound pressure, crushing al qaeda which was isis, the grandfather of isis, in their bases, would he were destroying them, we were wiping out their leaders. as we did that as we applied that pressure, the more we pounded them, the less they attacked externally. the less resources they

could devote to sending these killers in our midst. there is an absolute incumbent priority that i cannot for the life of me understand why he is not yet done it. on the president of the united states to wipe out the caliphate that allows them not -- when they might be plotting in a rented flat in paris fearful that the landlord would rat them out. instead they are in raqqa or they are in mosul. they are surrounded by their money. they are surrounded by their internet and their resources. they are plotting these attacks because we allow them this geographic territory that is mostly reminds me of factor -- farc in columbia. geographic territory in colombia for half a sen think they wreak havoc on latin america. now we have caliphate gives hope and sustenance to

murderers. helps foot shoulders to their cause. allows them plotting and horrific attacks. who is next? who is next going to be watching fireworks and get killed? >> we are going to get hit again. if you understand that and i understand that, and leon panetta understands it and all the department of defense secretary under president obama say the same thing. we told the president that he has to be more aggressive in wiping out isis. every single one said it. yet the president of the united states has chosen not to do it. so, my question tonight is should the american people now demand a declaration of war by congress? yes or no? >> i would -- i have asked for that i think in legality, yes. >> should nato now be confronted that you are going to go to war with us because you're in our alliance? an attack on one nato member is an attack by all, by

article 5. france just got attacked again. the paste attack, hollande wanted nato in. and guess who stopped it? guess who stopped it? president obama stopped it. >> let me see you and raise you. not only nato but i think russia must also be engaged. those talks now that are filled with suspicion and what's really the agenda here or there? putin must be engaged. it must be the civilized world against isis. we must wipe out this cancerous, terrorist network of extremists islam. we must wipe them out in their rats' nest and we must use all the forces we possibly can. >> now, donald trump, you just heard him, is going to run on that. all right? i don't know vehement is he going to be yes i would get nato involved and declaration of war. he hasn't been out front in calling for that but he says he wants it hillary clinton then finds herself in a very

interesting position, all right. because she is far more hawkish than barack obama, wouldn't you agree? >> yes. i absolutely agree with you. >> she either has to separate and say to the president you know what? enough is enough. we have got to get nato involved or a declaration of war or run on what barack obama has done. >> i want to love the president. i just think that sometimes he is too cool for school. i think this whole misguided starting at the cairo speech. he just didn't understand the mideast. >> now people are dying all over the world people are dying all over the world because 30,000 jihadists have not been wiped off the planet when that could have have happened in weak. >> i agree with you. i can't for the life of me understand maybe he just didn't want to admit that he was wrong not to see them. >> i don't want to speck about it but i think that this attack in france now, i think critical mass has been reached. i still don't think is he going to do anything. but when we get hit again and when i use the word

when, we will. then that will be the time. all right, you say where you are. i want to wring in charles krauthammer who has been listening to us talk about all this charles, why don't you make an opening statement and we will take it from there everything you propose is fine it's a fantasy to think thataration ofd bringing in nato somehow solves the problem. i don't think it's going to be involved with belgiums with bayonets in the middle east. we are the british are, the french and police all of west africa french are classical most successful empiricist from history. granted nominal independence for all of their counties in west africa. every time you hear of a coo. it gets put down in 12 hours from the barracks that the french have left behind when they are threatened and run

into mali they get serious. you have three serious countries. do all the nato you want. that means nothing but you or trump or geraldo have not told me exactly what you were going to do when you have your declaration. >> look. i mean i think it's fairly obvious that ground troops have to attack raqqa, syria. i think that's obvious. >> western ground troops? >> nato ground troops. >> what does that mean that means the french, the british and us. >> as you know, each nato country allocates troops to nato. under u.s. and british command or french command or whatever you want to do all right? those troops base in turkey and come across '35 miles that's all it is and they wage a war there that's what would happen. >> have you seen the rules of engagement. >> that goes out the window. >> in afghanistan? that's a real war. they are not really fighting

a real war. >> don't you think the american people are going to demand that president obama change his terror posture? don't you think that's coming? >> i think he should there is a great irony in what is happening right now. "the washington post" had a very interesting piece front page earlier in the week where they were reporting how if you analyze what isis is saying they are preparing their people for the loss of the caliphate. they have lost a lot of territory. i think it is true. it sounds like an excuse but it is certainly true that these attacks around the world frequency, brutality and the scale this is a way to maintain their prestige, their presence. >> i would say as we continue to squeeze isis, it should be accelerated. we took fallujah and we took

ramadi and now there is mosul and raqqa. that's what's left. this is doable. >> we are on the same page. >> we are on the same page. you know, when you talk about nato, this is abstract. declaration of war. >> symbolic nature. >> we are beyond symbols. >> no, no. the world has to know this is a world war. we are not beyond that they have to know this is world war iii. world war iii is directed toward eliminating the islamic jihadist terrorists. now, i want you to hang in because i'm going to go to nice. we have joel finster on the phone with us. he is an eyewitness to the nice attack earlier today. so just tell us, mr. finster, what you saw. >> so i was on the beach along nice watching the fireworks bastille day, french national day of celebration when we started walking back along the promenade after finished, at which point we substantiated

seeing a huge crowd running in one direction tam we ran in the opposite direction and we can also start to see people running toward us so we really don't know where to be escaping. we see people crouching down and see people looking like they are just finding a doorway to hide in. >> how did you know it was a shot? because there were fireworks going off. how did you know it was a shot? >> that was definitely a source of confusion later when you are thinking about it. hiding in an alley way, eventually. at the time the fireworks had all finished, so our initial reaction just when we heard it was that potentially we weren't really sure what was happening. potentially this was errant firework going out. we had police yelling at people who twrun in different direction. not quite clear it was a real incident. >> were you close enough to see the casualties in the street.

>> i wasn't. we were only 20 meters from where i believe the attack originated. as soon as we see the people running we ran in the opposite direction we didn't staple to look. >> what is the mood right now on the street. >> the mood on the street is pretty much empty. everyone has gone indoors. everyone is running away. as soon as we left the area that the police had put into lock down, the streets were completely imat this and it's just the sound of silence. everyone who can has taken shelter. tragically. there is also a number of homeless people who clearly haven't got anywhere to go. i believe now people are inviting them into their homes? glad you are safe. let's prescription in mr. krauthammer back to talk about the political implications here in the united states. you heard donald trump is he definitely going to run be a the law and orthopedic terror guy. will that help him in the face of president obama being seen by some even geraldo as being soft on the terror situation. >> obama certainly is soft

and he certainly is responsible for the resurgence. i think as you said and rpg al qaeda in iraq the progenitor was defeated, humiliated in 2008 by the surge. we had the boot on the neck of isis of al qaeda in iraq and we released it obama thought if he could run away and withdraw and get out of the region, we show the muslims as he said in the cairo speech that we're their friends, everything will be fine. of course, the opposite happened and he has been in denial. he pretends it's, you know, a second rate team and then he actually said this is a famous line from, i think, of the new yorker, more people killed by accidents in bathtubs than they are by term. he doesn't seem to understand the gravity of this. it's not the number of people killed but the fact that it is brutal to ruthless and this so random and determined by people who have ideological and

psychological agenda at the same time. he doesn't understand that so it's not going to happen under his watch. however, he seems to have understood something, which is that he has to actually shrink their territory, squeeze them now. not enough? not rapidly enough, that will have to be done by the next presidents president. it can be done and it should being done. here is the irony, the increase of number of attacks and their is aadvantage o-in the short run it would make mention first. >> in the long run it's the only way to go. >> they were going to do that think i they were going to create as much mayhem as they could create. europe being so ridiculous lead in tens of thousands of people who roam around. there aren't any borders. people are here and there. there are certain arts of be

jump and france where they don't even speak the language. they speak arabic. it's totally out of control there. it's not like that here. i believe they are planning operations here because this is the big statement. but you say something interesting and you said it before on the factor. you said he doesn't understand. i find that bobleg to believe. this is a brilliant man, barack obama. this is a naferred lawsuit guy. he is go out and persuade 60 million people who vote for him and he doesn't understand that you can't allow evil to have a strong hold? he doesn't understand that? come on. >> well, let me give you what i think would be the explanation for what he thinks. now, i will preface this by saying i disagree with this entirely. i wrote about it in october 2009, sort of laying out his philosophy and why it is wrong.

but this is what he thinks. he thinks that terrorism is an awful thing but it is not an existential threat to the rest. he thinks it is a kind of a nuisance geopolitically not that it doesn't hurt not because it doesn't because terror and threat it's not a threat like the overso he arsenal iran on the run. iran on the move and nuclear weapons. expanding to china and elsewhere. not a great power that' can level the e.p.a. united states and the west. not existential and teand to that view is that bush made a fatal mistakes after 9/11 overbracketting, kicking over the applecart that we have. i think his analysis is

entirely wrong. that's what i mean when i sea he doesn't understand. that is a coherent world view. it just happens to be wrong. >> now, that being said and i think most americans would agree with you in both parties, all right, that we certainly haven't handled isis the way we should have handled it then it becomes a big campaign issue. trump is going to say i'm going to stomp them into the ground. i'm going to get the war declaration. i'm going to do. this i'm going to do that. short on specifics to be fair. okay. but he is going to come across and point to hillary clinton and barack obama and say these people can't protect you. they won't protect you. on and on and on. will that have a direct effect on whether mr. trump wins or not? >> short on specifics? that is entirely empty. we have got to be strong and we have got to be smart. >> that's frew. the overarch question. is it going to be enough to put him into the white house? >> i think if you are naive and a guy says i'm going to

be strong, i'm going to be smart but he doesn't say a word about what he is going to do and how he is going to do it. who the enemy is and what the strategy is because he says i don't want to give away secrets. i don't want to be isis to be on guard when i unveil this truly sophisticated strategy. look, this is spinning your part by saying short on specifics. he doesn't -- he may have an idea of what he is going to do but he has never told us. >> it's not spinning. it's an accurate statement. short on specifics you are a word smith. >> nerd he has no specifics. >> you say no and i'm saying short. >> short meaning what make a declaration of war and that's going to end the ice tis threat. >> i don't know what he's going to do. you still haven't answered my question though. if the big picture of the campaign, does trump pick up memo he is the tough guy and going to solve the problem? >> look. i think whenever there is an

attack, the administration in power is tainted, simply because it happens under their watch. and as a result, whoever is in opposition, trump or anybody else, is the political beneficiary. that's. >> that's what i think. >> i think he benefits. i think it's a short-term effect because there's nothing like an attack on u.s. soil and news story by monday we won't be talking about it. >> these people are going to attack us and going to try to influence our electric. >> let me answer your question it's going to help trump jnches in the short-term. >> the fact that opposition candidate. in the longer one people are going to ask. little should ask. what does the electorate should ask. what does it mean i'm going to be smart? what does it mean i'm going to be strong.

>> shouldn't secretary clinton be on the phone now telling me in specific terms how she sees this terrible thing? we were talking to her staff, you know, hours before air time trying to get. we want to be fair. we want to hear what she has to say. she doesn't seem to be available. do you see what i'm talking about? >> perhaps if you called her like 3:00 in the morning she might answer the phone. >> i don't know when she is. i will go back to nice this situation is still fluid over if there. and we will give charles the last word and geraldo will come back and bret baier will as well. on the phone is amad, how do you say your last name, sir? >> defawwi. >> tell us what you saw. >> i was with my friends next to the beach. we were watching the girks. we were taking pictures

there with a truck coming just behind us. and we heard people screaming. when i saw -- when he saw the truck coming, i saw people getting smashed over everywhere. and it was so gore. it was literally hard -- i was shocked. then i started running away to get away from the truck. actually, the truck smashed everything. it was going really fast and just scratching people on their way. >> how far were you aware from being run over. >> actually i wasn't around the 20 peter. just a bernanke between me and the car and the truck. >> did you see the driver? >> no, actually i couldn't. >> did you know that the police were shooting it out with him? did you see any of the aftermath? >> no. i don't think it was next to me i think it was a little

bit after after what was happening next to me. >> okay. you are from morocco. you are vacationing in france. are you a muslim? >> i am, actually. >> what do you think when you see isis and it hasn't been pinned on them 100 percent but that's the strong suspicion, what do you see when you see fellow islamic people killing innocent people? what goes through your mind? >> well, to be honest, i don't call those people muslims because i know islam, it never teaches to kill people around. i was a muslim and i was getting killed over there it's not related to religion at all. it's not about religion. i think that these people are mentally sick. and just in to killing people. it has nothing to do with religion or about islam. because they already bombed saudi arabia just a week ago. so, they actually bombed a

mosque. >> they will kill muslims, that's a very good point. what about your family and friends in morocco. are they clamoring for the united states, france, nato to take hard action against isis? would they support that? >> of course, of course. like in that rocco, everyone, everyone is against isis pause we know what isis is about. it's about killing people. it's just not fair at all. like, in morocco we are afraid from this terrorist attack. like there is cops everywhere in morocco. >> well, mr. dafaaoui, we are glad you are safe and appreciate you coming on and talking about this that can't be easy. take it easy. >> thank you. >> and be safe. thank you very much. all right, geraldo, you

heard charles and the situation now is now zeroing back to the presidential election. all right? because there is trump. and he is short of specifics, but he is going to campaign on i'm going to take care of these guys. do you think that in the long run that can sweep him into the white house? >> maybe. i guess -- if you give me 15 seconds i just want to say that, remember, they have the truck. they will -- they have the body of the perp, the terrorist. >> they know already. >> they will start in day break in france they will start sweeping through where the truck originated where it was rented and so forth and so on. >> sure. they are too long it now. >> after major there will be a co-conspirators to this evil deed. when i said it depends on trump, let me give you an example, during -- remember the paris attack happened just before the climate change summit that brought

leaders, world leaders from throughout the planet to paris. one of the leaders who arrived as i was there the president was giving finale press conference all rigged. he wouldn't allow me to ask a question. i wanted to ask him a question like this. before the press conference began the president and he and the president parlayed that morning before the press conference. they may have been along the building. about. and came to the press conf the world getting togetherring to fix the climate situation. the president admitted during the press conference that he and the president of turkey were talking about the 80-mile gap that existed on the turkish-syrian border through which all the imfrantz were coming our way western europe, the flood. >> yeah out of syria, right. >> huge, huge numbers of

them. >> right. >> and isis recruits were coming in and isis operator was going through. turkey was doing nothing. i wanted to ask the president, mr. president, how can you be nice to this man he is turning it a blind eye that horror is coming through borders. it'sive through which this violence is happening. nothing happened, hog happened until what happened? >> istanbul. now iryuan. well equipped army. modern army that has never lifted a finger. muslims on both sides of the -- so i think if we getter gone help him. i want it to be more than law and order. turkey to do. this france to do.

this get rushy to do. this do this and that. a policy because hillary. >> business as usual. i have got to look at my watch because we don't have commercials here. i usually have james the floor man giving me 3, 2, 1. we are just going right through here. we have 12 minutes left. in that time i want to go to bret baier and geraldo for the last word. if the vice presidential candidate holds as nbc reports and it is governor pence, all right, why was he selected in your opinion? >> yeah, if it is that and governor pence has a good record in indiana, he was elected in 2012, before that he served a decade as a congressman for indiana up on capitol hill. he was on the house foreign affairs committee, traveled to iraq and afghanistan numerous times. he was on the head of the republican conference up on capitol hill.

well respected, social conservative. pro-levee, traditional marriage, ran into a bit of trouble dealing with the religious liberty law in indiana back in 2015 and how he dealt with that he kind of walked it back a bit. and that upset social conservatives. it ended up being. >> just explain -- just very briefly what that law was. >> the law basically allowed business owners to prevent not do services as we have talked about. >> opt out of making cakes at gay weddings. >> right. so the indiana community, business community got very upset and he walked it back. that is a decision that he decided not to run for president. he has a lot of experience in the midwest thing. obviously, if you are not going to get john kasich in ohio, mike pence in indiana, if that's the choice, would line up that way. >> is it possible that donald trump is wooing conservatives with

mr. pence? because i thought that newt gingrich would do that if he had made gingrich vp. that he could have consolidated the conservative wing because everybody knows newt gingrich. very few people know mike pence. >> yeah, i think you are right. it's about calming the nerves of conservatives in the party. and he is an establishment figure. listen, this is a person who fought for free trade. tpp. he spoke out against the muslim ban when donald trump. >> there is a lot of issues that are different. >> yeah. >> lines up with the establishment of the republican party. >> we appreciate it, bret. >> i want to give you one update real quickly the regional president in that area in nice says the death toll is 77. more than 100 wounded. we are also at this moment getting reports of a possible hostage situation. the french foreign ministry said that that was not the case. but we have people on the ground saying it is the

case. so we are looking into that at this hour. >> and we are on it and whatever happens we will bring to the folks right away. charles krauthammer, come back for a second. when you heard mike pence, all right, did that make sense to you as a vp? >> i think there is no gain and no loss. i think within a week of the convention, pence will not be on the national mind. he won't be mentioned. he will be on the ticket but he will have no effect. this had be a trump campaign and it won't make any difference i think it would have been wiser if i were trump, i might have chosen newt, perhaps he will. because newt is the most articulate person there is on the conservative side and as i said last night on "special report," he can explain away anything. he is an idea man, he thinks and he can talk. with trump you know he will make mistakes and gaffes and

outrages. and if you want a guy to walk behind him and to clean it up, in almost an elegant way, newt is your guy. so i think in that sense, you know, as newt himselfand, you know, as newt himself said, he's a pirate -- trump is a pirate. to be a two-pirate ticket, i think that's slightly more attractive than a one pirate ticket. >> newt left fox news. people might not know that. this week he stepped down. probably be white house chief of staff, and i'm sure he'll be involved. he may even follow donald trump around. so when trump says something that isn't, you know -- he would do it. >> a mobile cleanup brigade. >> we are very pleased to have former secretary of state hillary clinton on the phone with us now. so, madam secretary, it is the consensus of the experts here on

the panel at the factor that critical mass has been reached, and now concrete things have to be taken in a world war situation, mobilization of nato, congress declaring war. would you oppose any of that? >> well, bill, first of all, i think it's important to stress that our alliance with france is so strong, and it's terrible that france has faced too much tragedy and violence, and we need to stand strongly with them because events like this remind us how vital it is in every way not to abandon them. we need to strengthen our alliances, and i include nato in that. we've got to do more to understand that this is a war against these terrorist groups, the radical jihadist groups. it's a different kind of war. we need to be smart how we wage

it, but we have to be determined that we're going to win it. >> absolutely. >> that's going to require working with other people. i think -- >> now, as you know, after the paris attack, president hollande of france wanted to invoke article 5 of the nato charter, which would declare war on the isis fanatics and perhaps other g jihadists. now i think that is going to come back again. would you support that? >> well, i have long called for nato to be modernized, to take on the threat that terrorism poses in europe and middle east and even in our own country. so i would be very interested in working to determine how best to do that. one of my priorities is to launch an intelligence surge. we still do not have enough intelligence cooperation between our agencies and those in other

countries, including in europe, and we need to have a focal point -- >> why is that? i didn't know that. why is that happening? why don't we have the intelligence? >> well, i'll tell you in part because there has been a reluctance on the part of some of our friends in europe to be as forthcoming in sharing information. for example, like airline passenger lists. i negotiated very hard with the europeans to get much more information. we've gotten some. i've give them that. but we don't yet have enough. in fact, in europe, one of their problems has been -- and they'd better address this, and it affects us too. they don't share enough information even across their borders. so i think that we need strong, tough diplomacy starting with our friends to do on a bilateral basis with individual countries,

collectively with the eu, with nato and others, to do everything we need to be prepared to work with each other to ferret out these terrorists and to prevent future attacks. >> now, the democratic party has been opposed to using ground troops to go into raqqah and confront the isis terrorists. i think that has to happen. most military experts agree with me. where do you stand on that? >> well, bill, i think we should look at the progress we are making against isis. it is a dream of isis to pull american ground troops -- >> nato forces it would be, not just american. nato forces. >> anytime we have nato, america has to lead. we were very grateful when our nato allies came with us into afghanistan and into other places. but let's not kid ourselves. america leads. and what we're seeing, because

of american troops, we have about 5,000 in iraq. we have special forces operating in both iraq and syria. we have been able to get the iraqis, the kurds, and others to do a much better job of fighting. in fact, a lot of experts believe that as we take territory back, we are going to be poised for a very important attack on mosul. as we take territory back from isis forces, they will try to engage in other terrorist attacks -- >> that's what they're doing now, sure. >> that's what they're doing now, so we've got to go after their headquarters. we have to keep pushing them into a smaller and smaller territory so that we can take out their leadership, take out their infrastructure, and do as much as possible to end -- >> but don't you think the world at this point -- i think two things have to happen. number one, president obama has

to call a summit meeting of all the western countries, and isis has to be the focal point, and we all have to join together. number two, we have to make a statement. the statement would be we know they're in raqqah. we know this is their headquarters, and that headquarters is 35 miles away from the turkish border, a nato alley. we're going to come in, and that's not going to be their headquarters anymore. that's what i would do. >> well, look, that -- you know, that is, in my view, not the most effective way. what is happening now is we are taking territory back in iraq. we are squeezing them with consistent air attacks. we have killed a number of their leaders. assuming we are successful and american military leadership is in the hunt on this in mosul, we are pushing the turks -- they have moved far more than they had and, in fact, probably the attack at the istanbul airport was because the turks are really

cracking down. we are putting together a much more effective coalition. i would intensify those efforts. i have no problem with having a summit. i would include, however, not only nato allies. we've got great allies in the region who are holding the lines for us, places like jordan, like israel. others who are really on the front lines themselves. >> sure. i mean i think everybody -- >> when i was secretary -- when i was secretary, bill, i started the first ever international group to deal with global terrorism and to bring everybody to the table. places that we know money and fighters come out of, and to get them to make more commitments to deal with what they, themselves, have not stopped within their borders. and i think we've got to elevate this, make it a very high priority, and i would. >> madam secretary, appreciate your time tonight. thank you very much for

appearing on the factor. i hope to see you in person soo. thanks again. >> i would look forward to that. thanks, bill. take care. bye-bye. >> we have about two minutes and five seconds to be with you, and then we'll turn it over to "the kelly file." i have some last comments. i was very, very happy to have both donald trump and hillary clinton on this program. it's an important night. there are a lot of things happening that affect all of our lives. but one of the things we didn't talk about today is how terrorism has changed everybody. a paranoia that now grows, more in europe than in america. they are trying -- they being the isis fanatics and jihadists, they are trying to hit us here. we go to the airport, everything's changed. you go to a ball game, you get wanded down. so the terrorists really have put the world in a place where the world never should have been. and the reason that they're allowed to get away with it is

that the world is not together. the world is not together, all right? you just heard secretary clinton say still, still, after all this, the european intelligence agencies don't fully cooperate with america. okay? this is insane. this is crazy stuff, all right? we need strong leadership. whether you support donald trump or hillary clinton, the folks are going to make that call, and this is extremely important on many, many different levels in this country because this country is now on the defensive. we're on the defensive. we're on the defensive socially. we're on the defensive in the terror war. and we're on the defensive because we're fighting each other, black and white. we're fighting each other. we're all on defense, and that's not -- if you study american history, that's not where this nation has traditionally been. so now we have to step up, and we have to tell the world we're going to take care of these isis people. they're going, all right? and develop a smart plan in order to make that happen.

thank you very much for watching the factor tonight. i'm bill o'reilly. as you all know, we're looking out for you. we'll see you on monday. lots of news breaking tonight. a day of national celebration turns into a scene of mind-numbing horror as france once again finds itself the target of a major terror attack. welcome to "the kelly file," everyone. i'm megyn kelly. the news tonight out of the resort town of nice, france, is very grim. a local official now saying 77 people are dead, 50 injured in what by all measures appears to have been a terrorist attack. it all started as a beautiful night on the french riviera where folks had gathered to watch fireworks on bastille day. but the beauty of the night quickly shaer