the united states postal service. priority: you >> "outnumbered" start now. >> donald trump has made it official. he announced indiana governor mike pence is his choice for vice president. the presumptive republican nominee broke the news on twitter ending weeks of speculation about this decision. this is "outnumbered". democratic strategist, national security council member veteran of the bush and obama administrations is here and one lucky guy, foxbusiness network's charlie gasparino. you are "outnumbered" on a very big news day. thanks for being here.

trump originally planned to make the announcement at a news conference this morning. he replaced that plan after the terror attack in france last night. and said he will brief the media tomorrow morning. let's go to john roberts live outside trump tower in new york city. >> reporter: this is not the way donald trump wanted this to unfold. a lot of his supporters, music and fanfare, didn't think it was appropriate given horrible news coming out of france, and postpone it against a hard deadline of noon today to file papers to withdraw from the governor's race that appear on the ballot so instead of letting that happen and having that be the announcement he wanted to get ahead of it so that is why

he put it out. the first time in history a running mate has been announced on twitter. mike pence said i am honored to join donald trump and work to make america great again. mike pence is rocksolid. we heard from scott walker who tweeted out mike pence would be an outstanding vice president, he is a good man and a good friend, scott walker, talking about the campaign, not the past tense. and coulter not a big fan of mike pence after citing adjustments to the religious freedom act in indiana, a day ago saying i hope pence is not true. megan mccain, frequent guest on "outnumbered" tweeted mike pence makes me fall asleep. hearing from the clinton campaign, the response is what

you would expect, tweeting a video that says think trump is divisive? meet his running mate, the most extreme pick in a generation. two points of convergence, convergence, his signing of the religious freedom act, signing new restrictions on abortion which would disallow because of a disability, he posed no child left behind, common core, voted against troubled asset relief program. divergent, mike pence was supporter of the transpacific partnership which donald trump opposes and says he would pull out of on day one of his presidency and on the muslim been, he called that offensive and unconstitutional. the two of them you never want your running mate to agree on everything you do but as ronald reagan said, somebody who agrees with you 70% of the time is your friend, not your enemy.

>> appreciate you breaking the news for us. the former press agent to jack kemp in 1996, you were right on time with your expertise and experience. what are your thoughts on this story? >> donald trump demonstrated two things, he understands the need to unify the republican party and the conservative movement. mike pence reflects the most essential elements of the modern conservative government, he is a traditional conservative closely aligned with those on the hill like paul ryan, supported ted cruz, one of the congressman on the forefront of supporting the tea party, understand the grassroots movement of the conservative party which is essential for trump to gain victory in november and the final piece of the whole thing is as an evangelical he understands and speaks a language donald trump just doesn't necessarily understand or speak. it helps with a key constituency

that is an integral part of any sort of roadmap to victory. on top of that, he is a governor of a fairly important state which donald trump won decisively, he also was a congressman for six terms on the foreign relations committee, how important terrorism and other national security measures are and the number 3 head of the republican conference in the house, part of the leadership that pushed a lot of progress tax-cut free-market type of ideas that a lot of republicans are hoping will define the trump message. >> his foreign-policy is described as like reagan. what do you think in the wake of this horrific attack, what will they highlight as his strength on foreign-policy if he is on the ticket? >> foreign-policy will emerge

and remain a major issue, pulling behind jobs in the economy fighting terrorism is the number 2 concern. pence served on a committee where he saw amazing amounts of information, top-secret intelligence and he has clarity of vision. you see it in the nominee donald trump where it is a bipolar fight sometimes. a civilizational struggle which clarifies the approach and that is what you will see from a trump ticket. contrary to clinton where you see her new one thing what happened in this slow and steady approach to fighting global terror you have seen from the obama administration and reagan called the soviets the evil empire, he defined the enemy and was able to beat it. this is the approach from a trump pence ticket. andrea: charlie gasparino. does he have the toughness to do what newt gingrich would have

done which is keep donald in line. part of this will be telling donald where he stepped over the line which he does a lot, sitting him down in a room saying don't go there. does he have that ability? the establishment choice, wanted the details as kids like mike pence, to pick newt gingrich, a smart move politically but is -- what newt gingrich would have done, stopping donald, you are making a mess of this. >> consider ted cruz supports mike pence. the american conservative unit, not part of the establishment necessarily. he triangulates fairly well but when i saw this happen, it did make me realize something, you are referencing the political part, trump -- everybody wanted,

trump takes advice. there is this open question, will trump listen to smart intelligent counsel or will he do everything based on his own instinct and personal preference? this is a very important indicator of the type of strong, good judgment trump as a candidate is able to make, pence not being his personal first choice, understanding is a candidate, can't always do what you want to do, there is a larger consideration, took a lot of good counsel into account by choosing that. >> pence's numbers are pretty bad in indiana, 33 other governors, my question, part of the reason for his unpopularity is the record of winning, trump has a problem according to polls, do you think pence being on this ticket was a missed opportunity for trump to get

some want to consider his candidacy? >> identity politics never works for republicans. it did not work with sarah palin. if anything sarah palin helps with conservatives. what you see in the republican realm, good vice presidential pick coming in bringing party alignment rounded out, trump was considered nonpartisan, didn't attack planned parenthood as strongly as other conservatives did. mike pence is a pro-life governor. most republicans are pro-life. i don't think it necessarily hurts. as far as the religious liberty debate you have this open question in our extended party of how to approach it. you can be for protection of separation of church and state at the same time making certain policy clarifications and as a governor you have to make. you don't just talk about it. in that respect pence can talk

about his governmental experience which is a strong suit for trump. >> one thing they have to react to is what is happening in france as they move in to that. great to see you. be sure to tune in tonight, sean hannity with an exclusive interview with mike pence at 10:00 pm eastern, it will be right here. >> fox news alert on the horror we just saw happen again in france. it would be indescribable with people rolling on smart phones, a truck plowed into a crowd in nice. 84 people are dead. many more critically wounded. the numbers are growing on that. among the dead two americans along with children and teenagers, 10 of them.

it happened during bastille day along the promenade in southern france. crowd celebrating and watching fireworks. a white big craig ran into all those people. 31-year-old driver drove a mile, he zigzagged along the way in an attempt to kill as many people as possible before he was shot dead by police. >> we could hear sirens all evening. it was quite a harrowing thing. i saw one guy crying, screaming, shouting, it was horrendous. >> you heard him talking about the families. among those killed, sean copeland and his 11-year-old, president obama will make

remarks at 3:10:00 pm eastern as france is on high alert again, the seventh terror attack in 18 months, the deadliest in a single location. january 2015 multiple attacks in paris, left 17 dead at the charlie hebdo newspaper. multiple attacks in and near paris left 130 people dead at the concert hall and what we are now facing today, 84 people murdered in the resort city of nice. that is where we find benjamin all. we come together again on this topic. >> if ever there was a part of the world considered peaceful this would be it in the riviera in france, that was shattered last night when mohamed bouhlel drove down the boulevard as they

were celebrating bastille day, liberty, fraternity, equality, he drove a two ton truck, 35 to 45 miles an hour, trying to hit as many people as he could. he was a french tunisian businessman, tunisia is where more people have come from than any other country in the world, he rented that van on monday, he was supposed to hand it in wednesday but didn't, the question is was there a step up by the police, a pedestrian street, that is what we are trying to figure out, françois hollande addressed this before the attack, the european soccer tournament, the highest since november, carried out soon to extend a clear sign that no matter where you are, not only do we

on our borders but mobilize tens of thousands of police, and take the fight to iraq and syria and be clear making that connection that this was connected to radical islam, whether this man himself and come it was responsible for this attack and you mentioned the children still in hospital, 10 children killed and numbers climbing, 84 dead, more wounded, that was the highest in french history, this attack is reaching that number, nowhere is safe and the battle to win this battle you have to go abroad and take the site and that is what françois hollande was saying yesterday. >> not to put too find a point on it it is bastille day.

the enemy will attack where crowds are largest. i don't know if i would say anywhere they will hit but they want to hit and kill as many as possible. bastille day would be a target particularly where people are culminating. i have been there. how did that truck get up there? you can't drive anything there. >> that is a big question. this was as soft as you get. they were stopping in a vehicle coming by but they drive slowly down the boulevard until it came close to the crowd and then accelerated. it was clearly some error that allowed it to get nearby. where they are heading now, you see multiple gunmen suicide vest happened in november very different and in the peninsula, saying great weapons can be used efficiently. very hard to counter that. >> this is your area of

expertise, don't know how shocked we should pretend to be, this is what they said they were going to do, literature, inspire magazine. >> earlier this year they were calling for this kind of an attack. it was a gruesome attack, to the human conscience. from a certain perspective it wasn't surprising. 1000 french nationals traveled to iraq and syria to join ranks with isis, 250 of those people returned to france and are inside the country today. french authorities are monitoring 11,000 suspects as best they can. from that perspective this should not surprise people. this is a soft target with a red x. >> there were 1200 cameras along the route at which point boarded the truck in the hills of nice,

all the security cameras and all that footage together and going back to the scene side, they are pulling a lot of that, the regional president calling for the investigation to focus on accomplices at this point but a lot of that security is -- >> too bad they didn't catch him putting grenades in the back of the truck. >> this takes the debate, the president would love to have a debate about gun control when one of the things happening. >> will we need truck patrol? >> weapon i think vehicles is a new thing. i had a conversation with a law enforcement official. he said every day they wake up in the us thinking there is going to be a weapon eyes to vehicle, worrying about that. >> that is what they want to do. >> country like israel -- i want

-- don't want to miss your expertise because you have family in that part of the world. i was worried about you last night. >> first and foremost from a personal perspective i am heartbroken, the family in paris, to make sure everybody is okay, heartbreaking to have to do that. you keep reading reports about the fact that the caliphate is collapsing in syria and iraq and they are acting out of desperation. going to iraq as françois hollande wants to do, going to syria taking them out, will that affect the fact in the states they are predominantly citizens, french foreigners doing this and even if you got rid of the caliphate in iraq and syria and to come all out the cancer

metastasize to the point of affecting it, that is terrifying to me, these are french nationals doing this. >> from a counterterrorism policy perspective julie hits the crux of the matter on the head and i come back to what i have said over and over again that this is a two pronged war. we got the ground war which the government so far doesn't acknowledge that we got. we have the ground war against isis in controlled territory in the caliphate and we can deal with that militarily but we have the ideological component that is really hard. >> it is completely connected. if you take away a training ground and magnet they are not all going -- >> it disproves that, this attack -- what they say they are going to do. >> there is no either/or, it is a comprehensive solution. much more on this horrific

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>> a truck plowing through a crowd of people killing 84 and critically wounding many more before police shot the driver dead. the attack coming as crowds were celebrating bastille day and ours after top us intelligence officials warned congress that we have a long way to go in the fight against terror. listen to what the director of the national counterterrorism center told the house committee yesterday. >> progress has been made but despite this progress, isil's ability to carry out terrorist attacks has not to date been significantly diminished. we do not judge a direct link in battlefield status on the ground in iraq and syria and the group's capacity to operate as a global terrorist organization

capabilities around the world. >> joined by fbi director james comey who want of a mass exodus of foreign fighters locally. as we ramp up our tax in syria and iraq. >> we know there will be a terrorist diaspora out of the caliphate is the military force crushes the caliphate, thousands of fighters will go someplace, to stop them before they come to the united states to harm innocent people. >> the distinguished chair of marine corps university and author of defeating jihad, are we able to spot them and stop them as the fbi director detailed? >> not for the next 6 months because we need new leadership in the white house. this is an administration that doesn't wish to talk honestly

about what the threat is. and attorney general that sensors transcripts of isis killer in orlando. the idea that love will defeat the enemy and whatever you do don't mention religion because it is not about religion, it is about jobs for jihadi's and unemployed young men. we will continue to see the threat increase to our allies and americans because when it comes to this war the commander-in-chief and the white house are absent without leave. >> james comey isis will become increasingly desperate to launch these attacks elsewhere. we are fearful here at home that an attack we just witnessed in nice could happen here. >> it has. let's not talk hypotheticals, this is why i wrote the book defeating jihad. i want to send a message to my

fellow americans, the war is real and the enemy is here. we have killed or arrested 107 people linked to isis in the last two years after the caliphate was declared. not 7, not 37, 107. the war is here. omar mateen said i am doing this for the islamic state. it is not theoretical. the war is here and every american is on the front lines. >> i traveled to minnesota recently and got to see where one in four are coming from his potential recruits from isis and we call some of them sanctuary cities where we know we have people not being monitored the way they should, some american citizens, you have people coming here that are not keeping up, i

want your thoughts on that. >> listen to the following reality is a federal agent told me, there are 2000 refugees let into the country since the war in syria began. after those individuals to the church in geos and other organizations in america, the federal authorities are not allowed to know where they are living because that is a breach of their privacy, that is monty python. we don't know where the refugees from war zones are living in america, we are a christian nation, we should be charitable to those in need for charity is not an excuse for suicide and europe is the best example. >> i will put aside the christian nation part because we don't have a state religion but

i keep hearing about the fact that didn't have to fight them here, now you are telling me essentially they are coming here, what is the solution? >> our founding documents, founding fathers referring to allah? >> most of them were deists, we could have a separate discussion about that but let's move on to my question about fighting them here or fighting them there. >> we have to fight them everywhere. it is not about democracy of the end of a barrel. our sunni allies, egyptians, jordanians, for 7 years, we have to help them crush isis over there, that means deploying forces, and up our game here,

the human intelligence the nypd developed since 9/11, the things mayor bill diblasio is trying to shut down, that is how we prevent the next attack. it is a multi-phase operation. it is not about invading countries but helping allies and finding a bad guy before they go kinetic. >> thank you. >> there is a two pronged approach. one thing we have to do, stuff with immigration laws, we have pockets in this country like france where people are not american. multiculturalism is at the heart of this and it is preventing our country from becoming whole and allowing people that were not even born in other countries not to assimilate, basically to adhere to radicals from where

their ancestors are from. >> certain areas in minneapolis too, just because they are preserving their culture is not the issue. what is the issue is when they find one among them they need to call 911. it is really simple. >> they are not preserving, they are ignoring american culture. i eat spaghetti on sundays. i am american first, my grandparents were. we are teaching immigrants to be what they were. >> donald trump makes a decision naming mike pence as his running mate. what he brings to the republican ticket, and on the campaign trail. chris wallace joins us next. and it rhymes with the color of our bottle. to help spread the word, we made t-shirts! reach for the orange, it's 100% shmorange!

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news sunday, it is pence, your thoughts? >> to my knowledge it is the first time a presidential candidate announced his running mate by twitter, interesting historical fact. i think it really shows what trump and people around him think he has to do first which is to solidify the base of the republican party. if he were secure with the base of the party he might have picked somebody else was picking pence who is very much a social conservative, movement conservative, well thought of by the tea party, has a way of talking to a party that has doubts about donald trump, i will run a conservative republican campaign. mike pence helps him in that regard.

what it doesn't do is expand the base. think of the people he could have named. he could have named a woman like nikki haley, he could have named a hispanic like marco rubio. there are a lot of stars in the party, the governor of new mexico. he picked a very conventional choice, may help with his party base, isn't going to help him expand his appeal to some of the other people he is going to need if he wants to be elected president. >> hillary clinton seized on that, social media on her campaign, by picking pence, chosen incredibly divisive unpopular running mate, they are jumping on the point that he is safe with conservatives but not necessarily expand what you are saying. >> i wouldn't say he is unpopular but he is the republican base and of trump secured the republican base he wouldn't need that. a lot of it is pence is to the right of trump certainly on abortion, gay rights, the lgbt

issue, he is a very socially conservative politician and that will make it harder for trump to appeal to a lot of groups, hispanics, young women, young people, suburban, moderate republicans, suburban women who expressed doubts about trump. it won't help with those people. clearly he felt he had to establish his base, have a unified convention but he has some work to do after this convention to expand his appeal. >> i mentioned too the news flow may change their focus on the bigger picture. we will leave that for another day. i want to concentrate on seeing you in cleveland, ohio for the national convention, you are doing your show there sunday, fox news sunday. any hints who we might see or is

it still a secret? >> i will give you a shameless open plug, we are talking to the campaign chairman paul manafort, we will talk about the tragedy in niece and how that will affect the campaign and the focus on national security, he is the law and order candidate, we are talking to rinds priebus and also the security situation, security already airtight in cleveland but after last night's terrible events, even tighter. >> we will see you there. you will be on "outnumbered" with us next week, thank you. the terror attack in france is sparking different reactions from the presidential candidates, and intelligence surge. who is right about that and what will resonate most with american voters? stay with us.

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>> presidential candidate speaking out after the nice terror attack, donald trump agrees with bill o'reilly that the united states is a, quote, world war scenario and spelling out what he would ask congress to do if he were the commander in chief. >> would you go to congress and ask for a declaration of war? >> i would. this is war. this is war coming from all different parts and it is war and we are dealing with people without uniforms. in the old days we would have uniforms, you know what you were fighting. we are allowing people into our country who we have no idea where they are from, who they are, they have no paperwork, no documentation in many cases and hillary clinton wants to allow

550% more even than obama and he is letting them in by the thousands. >> hillary clinton also called in to the o'reilly factor, voiced her disagreement with donald from calling for more coordination between our intelligence agencies at home and abroad. >> we have got to do more to understand that this is a war against these terrorists groups, radical jihadist groups. a different kind of war. we need to be smart how we wage it but be determined we are going to win it, one of my priorities is to launch an intelligence surge. we don't have enough intelligence cooperation between our agencies and those in other countries including europe and we need to have a focal point. >> mrs. clinton said the us needs to strengthen its

alliances including nato. >> the fact that she called in to o'reilly, it shows you she is worried about losing this election, the fact that she criticized the obama administration approach to terrorism, she called it radical jihadist him, used all the words, at a point where her old boss called isis of the jv team. this is interesting turning point not just in terms of her rhetoric but how she is approaching, moving to the right. >> she is showing strength here, she is more hawkish than people give her credit for when it comes to the national defense, you are going to find if there is a president clinton administration she is a lot farther to the right on these

issues than people commonly perceive. >> i heard from generals in response to his comments that he is right. it would be terrific if there was a declaration of war because that would pull together as a nation but it is not easy and -- we are already at war with these people. >> that argument was made during the george w. bush administration, the global war on terror, you won't have the nuts and bolts you normally would but congress will give you the leeway you need. >> why would you want an official declaration of war? you have to treat them as enemy combatants. >> you might have to name them. >> congress refuses, congress control the republicans, let's start with that, donald trump could talk to paul ryan about that if he wants to get it done. secondly we keep talking about this, going to war with isis

entails syria? >> boots on the ground is a sticking point for you. >> first of all i hate the term in general because it undermines the fact that there are human beings in those boots on the ground but we already have boots on the ground in both countries, iraq and syria, 5000 of them as the floor stands today. we had a navy seal die, these are combat troops, why are we undermining the role? >> the language signifies escalation. >> it is reality. >> we are talking 5000, 100,000. >> at a certain point something becomes a war where it is not otherwise, is it 20,000, 50,000, 100,000, 12,000. >> is it another orlando? how many people are dying here?

>> he wants to expand the war, what does that entail. >> what he wants to have a war -- >> is that 50,000? >> i worry about somebody calling for an intelligence surge. none of us are sure of that but back to what happened in orlando. we were talking about the shooter in orlando on fbi radar for how long and -- >> if we can't handle it here, what is the impulse surge? >> excellent question. how many days has it been since the news conference? donald trump tweeting he picked mike pence as his running mate, where we started this hour. putting off the news conference

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terror attack in france there are growing questions about the impact it could have on the republican national convention that starts monday in cleveland and there are already security concerns surrounding the event, fbi director james comey said this could be an enticing target for domestic terrorists. jay johnson also expressing concerns, inspecting on-site security himself. what and enormous task, local and federal protection has to secure this area inside the venue and out. >> x marks the spot, ideal scenario, throw everything out the window and assign some common sense, not just the republican convention but the democratic convention as well. you have a gathering of the topmost senior government officials and a host of celebrities, media professionals all across the country, it is a perfect storm scenario.

>> protesters that are going there. i am all for protesting, first amendment rights but they should think twice about protesting this one. this will be a place with business that needs to be attended to and cops don't need the hassle. reminds me of right after 9/11 crazy protest happened, they shut down the street and after 9/11, protesters should think twice. you have twitter, do it someplace else. this is a free country, don't cause -- >> first amendment rights, second amendment rights -- open carry. normally that is a wonderful part -- >> you won't be able to bring anything into the venue. >> protester in cleveland can't bring a water gun but he can bring a real gun. in a crowd terror is terror.

>> do something smart. >> anyone can jump in the car and drive into a crowd. >> should not make the cops's job worse because this will be a cluster, i will be there, you will be there. >> hopefully it is a smoothly run production. >> i have a lot of faith in the police. >> called and a lot of help and announced they changed course following recent attacks. charlie gasparino, thank you for joining us. "outnumbered" in cleveland monday starting monday, we will see you then. "happening now" starts after the break. nted. i'm doing all i can to help prevent another one. a bayer aspirin regimen is one of those steps in helping prevent another stroke. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.

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