for now. see you again tomorrow night right here at 7:00 p.m. right here from cleveland, ohio. "the o'reilly factor" is up next. good night ♪ ♪ ♪ for all the years i was running ♪ ♪ >> hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. as the factor begins its coverage of the republican national convention in cleveland, ohio, it's the 41st g.o.p. convention. first one held in 1856 in philadelphia where retired army officer john c. fremont was nominated but buchanan beat him. now, you are looking at live pictures of the quicken loans arena. about 2500 delegates have gathered to officially select donald trump as republican presidential nominee: in the 8:00 hour, our hour, we expect to hear

from mr. trump. i have plenty of questions for him this evening in the wake of yet another domestic terror attack on police. this one in louisiana yesterday. in fact, the theme of the republican convention today is make america safe again. and a variety of speakers will address that subject. willie robertson, governor rick perry, navy see marcus luttrell among others. we will cut in and out back and forth. we have a great lively hour. we begin with analysis. joining us from cleveland charles krauthammer. kirsten pears is there. lean, in kristin, the other way, the other way. and brit hume. somebody tell powers she is on camera, please. we also have martha maccallum and bill hemmer on the convention floor. there they are. and i'm going to ask, charles, going to begin with you. i'm going to ask trump about the black lives matter movement. first, i want to get your assessment of the group in light of the violence against the police. everybody is talking about it all over the world.

what about blm? >> well, hook, i don't think that is intrinsically violent. i don't think it's intrinsically racist. but i think what's happened to the young people who are obviously running it is they have no discipline. they have large elements, not just fringe elements but large parts of their movement who are really way out there. really unacceptable. and when people compare this to the 60's, this is not martin luther king. instilledeth -- instilled ethic, training and nonviolence. that's why you get crazies like the ones who shot the cops inspired by either that ideology or a similar one. and i think it's something the president should avoid honoring by bringing their leaders to the white house so long as it remains so

undisciplined and houses these radical elements. now, i want to tell everybody that the music you are hearing, that's on the floor where charles is we can't regulate that but, what i'm most concerned about with the black lives matter movement is that if you trace the roots of it, and you know who is running it, there are marxists. they want reparations. a real radical crew that has been mainstreamed by the liberal media like no, no, they are not really a struckive capacity. they just want a spotlight and it is a problem they are spot lighting. i'm not diminishing the problem. but the crew itself is so provocative that it's not surprising that we're seeing assaults on police. am i wrong? >> look. they don't have a written manifesto. they don't have a leader. it's not a black power leader. not a malcolm x. not a martin luther king. it's a very indisciplined group. it revolves around a very nebulous ideology. black lives matter in and of

itself is inknock use. but it's taken to mean many different things. to me, it's a lot like occupy wall street. although occupy wall street was so weak and absurd as organized that it was utterly harmless. this is not harmless. >> it's not harmless. >> i don't see it as a soviet front group. that's what you had 50 years ago. >> no, no. i agree with you. >> there are a lot of idealistic young people caught up in this and who know nothing. >> but it's the media that legitimizing it. i want to bring in kirsten powers. you and i have disagreed about black lives matter. has your opinion changed since louisiana yesterday at all? modified at all? >> no. because of what i have said to you before. i don't think that you can say because one person or two people do something that's horrific means. >> you don't see them as a fuse lighter? >> majority of people or even in the majority of

people in the black lives matter movement. >> all right. >> are, a, shooting cops or even believe that it's okay to shoot a cop any more than if you were to say. >> all right. >> that because there are bad apples in the police department that all police officers are harming other people. >> i see as it a fuse lighter, you don't. that's good. we want differences of opinion. now, let's go over to -- we are going to take to willie robertson, theme of the night is make america great again. take a couple minutes of willie. go. >> i have always said that me and mr. trump have three things in common. we're both successful businessmen although i flew commercial here. i'm guessing he didn't. [ laughter ] we both have had hit television shows. [cheers] and we both have intelligent

wives who are much better looking than we are. [cheers] >> are you cheering because we are ugly? it's been a rough year fort mead i can't experts. it must be humbling to be so wrong about so much for so long. [cheers and applause] but, i have a theory about how they missed the trump train. they don't hang out with regular folks like us. who like to hunt, and fish, and pray, and actually work for a living. [cheers and applause] heck, i don't even know that they know how to talk to people from middle america. i mean, when i tell them i'm

from louisiana, they really start talking real slow and real loud. [ laughter ] let me tell you why i have been on the trump train from the beginning. see, when you are from the south, and you grow up with rednecks, there are some occasional disagreements. sometimes those disagreements turn into fisticuffs. but any time i was ever in a bad spot, i always knew my brothers would have my back. and today, in a lot of ways, america is in a bad spot. and we need a president who will have our backs. [cheers and applause] >> you are listening to willie robertson. what we're going to do throughout the hour is go with analysis and go back to the floor and give you a sample of the speakers. we have marcus luttrell coming up. governor rick perry and at the bottom of the hour donald trump on the factor

this evening. let's go back to brit hume. now, if you were running the republican party, if you were priebus, reince priebus, would you make an issue out of black lives matter as far as let's make america safe again? would you spotlight this group as a provocateur that's a fuse-lighter? would you do that? >> well, i think it's already been done by donald trump. and whether reince priebus likes it or not, donald trump has pretty much done that and the theme of the convention, as you suggest, bill, on this very day suggests that at a minimum that these recent episodes involving these atrocities against the police are an issue and will continue to be. you know, donald trump is now saying in a way no one has since 1968 that he is the law and order candidate. so there you are and black lives matter, of course, is at the center of that whole issue. and i, by the way, would say about black lives matter that i think it is -- while

the statements standing by itself is unobjectionable. but, to the extent that it was respond to do by people remarking that all lives matter and those people were roundly denounced in some quarters to the point where you may recall governor o'malley of maryland, former governor o'malley of maryland was force to do apologize for saying that, that that gives you some idea of the nature of this movement and the nature of the thinking that goes into it. it is not a movement that is saying simply black lives matter, too because it couldn't sit still for the idea that all lives matter. and, of course, all lives matter. >> yeah. they don't want any diversification from their hypothesis that america is an evil country run by white supremacists. that is the core of the belief system of the people who run it. but -- >> -- i think that's right. >> there are two essential questions here. one is a political question. i believe that if there are a few more police shootings, this will become the

dominant campaign theme between donald trump and hillary clinton. that's how intense this situation is it will override the economy and terrorism. if there are some more. black lives matter is in the middle of it however, right now, is it politically smart and we're going to ask donald trump, as i said, about this, to define it. to make black lives matter the evil doer, thereby alienating many african-americans, they are tied into them, many of them into that political movement is that a smart thing to do now? >> what i would say, bill, is to some extent, you have to look -- just looking at this with sort of cold political calculus, how many african-americans are going to vote for donald trump? and i would say if you are talking about any african-american that is profoundly sympathizes with the black lives matter movement, donald trump's chance at getting that person's vote is pretty remote. on the other hand, there may

be people in the african-american community who are disgusted by black lives matter and its implications and what it will seem to many people it has led to that it might not hurt him in the least with them. i don't think know, donald trump is trying to run up unprecedented totals in the white community and bring out voters he thinks weren't there the last time for mitt romney who are white. so, i think it's just -- from a coldly political standpoint, not from a moral standpoint, but from a coldly political standpoint it might, indeed, be the right play. >> let's go back to charles krauthammer. if trump does take that road, and demonizes black lives matter as a fuse-lighter as i suggest to do kirsten, all right, for the death of american police, assassinations of police officers, the press will go crazy and make him -- brand him more of a racist than they have already branded him. is that correct? >> i have no idea how the press will treat it but i can tell you how i would treat it.

i think race is a completely unique issue in american culture and american history. uniquely incendiary. you don't play with it loosely for electoral advantage. i know the democrats have. i know this is going to sound naive. but we are better than that i don't think you use this, manipulate this, in order to win an election. because we are already in a tinderbox. if you produce evidence that there is a direct connection between black lives matter and a police shooting, and there might be. i haven't seen it particularly not in dallas and not with what just happened in baton rouge. then you have got a case. >> let me stop threw. >> play with this with innuendo and attribute to a group that is largely made up of young and naive people. >> okay. but, let me stop thrunchts be very dangerous. >> i get your point that you have to really think hard about dividing the country along racial lines. but is it enough for charles

krauthammer to see a number of chants "kill the cops" "pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon." there was an incident where black lives matter found attack on a police officer. is that the evidence that you are looking for or does it have to be more direct than that? >> you think a chant at a demonstration in new york is a reason to connect it with the killing of cops in baton rouge? i mean, if you want to stir up racial tensions, you can do that. >> so you wouldn't make -- >> -- that is the wrong thing to do. >> you wouldn't make then black lives matter and, remember, the theme of tonight's republican convention is "make america safe again." and i'm sure that has to do with terrorism and we're going to talk about terrorism when we come back from the break. but you would not and the short answer is i have got to go to break you would not bring up black lives matter and its provocation to the campaign? >> bill, if black lives

matter disappeared overnight, and sank into the atlantic ocean, it would have no effect whatsoever on whether or not some lunatic is going to grab a gun and kill five cops in louisiana. >> all right. so let's take a break. [cheers and applause] can't take a break because the former governor of texas, rick perry just took the stage and we want to show you a little bit of what he has to say. >> hello, cleveland. [cheers] >> you know, back in 2006 my wife anita and i, we had this extraordinary experience, this great pleasure of touring a naval base in san diego. [cheers] >> our guide that day just happened to be this big old

tall drink of water navy seal who was recovering from combat-related injuries. now, he was a texas boy. he was pretty plain-spoken and respectful. and his love for america came through loud and clear. as we departed that day, i just told him kind of in passing if you ever ever in austin, come by and see us. now, you know, some people might say that that meeting was just blind chance or a twist of fate. i will tell you, it was by the grace of god. [cheers and applause] and he and i kept in touch over the course of the months through a tour that he had in iraq and in his return to texas. and darned if he didn't just show up on our doorstep at

the governor's mansion, unannounced with nowhere else to go. we welcomed him into our home we helped him get the care that he needed. and today he is like a second son. now, many of you know the battles he fought in afghanistan. but too few of you know the battle that he and thousands of veterans just like him face when they come home. tonight, our commitment is this: making america great again starts by taking care of our veterans. [cheers and applause]

thank you. ladies and gentlemen, please welcome an american hero the lone survivor, marcus luttrell. [cheers and applause] [cheers and applause] >> cleveland. yeah. y'all know i love you. i love coming down here. [cheers and applause] >> thank you. thank you. thank you.

all right. [chanting] >> all right. [chanting u.s.a.] >> all right. thank you. thank you again for having me back. for those of you i have stood before in the past, it's a pleasure to do so again. for those of you i haven't stood in front of, thank you for the privilege to do that. really, i mean it from the bottom of my heart. [cheers and applause] >> i was fortunate enough in life to be born from a patriotic family, love this country and the people who make her up unconditionally. without hesitation. or hopes of individual achievement. that's the way i was raised. and that's the way i still

walk my life. for generations of men and women in my family have served this country proudly both at home and abroad. my father served in vietnam. and although he was shamed out of his uniform, it only solidified his resolve to raise his boys, me and my twin brother to be patriotic and love this country and its people more than we loved ourselves. [cheers and applause] the past 10 years of my navy seal career, the first ten was in combat. next part of it i was traveling around the country. state to state, city to city, town to town. armed only with the memories of your praffest fighters and the story of how hard they fought to protect our way of life. and because i was willing to completely open up my life and speak about the worst week of it, i was blessed

with meeting and seeing well, the greatest people america had to offer. and i think it's important to say that we have got to make sure that the hell the veterans return from is not the hell they come home to, okay? [cheers and applause] that's what was promised and that's what's deserved, period. it also speaks volume about my generation and i love my generation. generation x. the x-men. it was an honor to fight alongside all of you. and even when the system doesn't take care of my boys. the citizens step up and start foundations and programs to help the wounded and the families of the fallen. so from the bottom of my heart, and literally please know that i end every day on my knees thanking god for y'all on what you do and how you covet my generation of

veterans coming home. [cheers and applause] i got a chance to -- for those of you who know me, you know i have only talked about stuff is that i have experienced. usually on the worst side of it and best side of it. i had a chance to spend time with mr. trump. i know he understands what it's going to take to fix this. and -- the only way we are going to keep america safe is to have an elite military, all right? [cheers and applause] made up of the warriors and prepared by the toughest training that we have to offer. supported by the best equipment and backed up by the nation put those people in harm's way. every one of us have to step up in some way. we need our leaders to lead by example.

excuse me. they need to lead by example and show the american public that each and every life underneath the flag should be family and treated accordingly. i'm sorry. i'm so used to speaking from the heart. when i have to read this it goes wrong. i'm just going to go. are you ready? [cheers and applause] not only do the leaders have to step up and support us. but the family and those of us in here we are all family we step up and back them up too. not only that we hold them accountable for every position and office that they hold. [cheers and applause] look, either way, the only way we survive this is together, not apart. in order for any life to matter, we all have to matter. do you understand? [cheers and applause]

to my generation that was for y'all. for the next generation, this is for you. your war is here. you don't have to go searching for it. your people are afraid. i stand among you, walking. i was allow to do walk with giants, all right? and now we are looking for the next generation of giants. who among you will love something more than you love yourself? who among are you going to step up and take the fight to the enemy? because it's here. [cheers and applause] i challenge all of to you fight for this country and for each and every one of us. look, the world outside of our borders is a dark place, a scary place. america is the light and her people are the goodness that grows from that. she will always be worth fighting for. it was my greatest honor to

fight for her every day of my adult life. all right? and. [cheers and applause] i just want to do come up here and thank each and every one of you from the bottom of my heart for allowing me to serve you for 20 years and i swear to god i'm going to spend the next 20 paying you back. so thank you again and god bless. [cheers and applause] >> an emotional speech by marcus luttrell, the former navy seal about helping veterans and making america great again. we have had mr. luttrell on the factor, and is he a patriot as everybody knows and a very strong, powerful speech. i'm going to take a quick break. we're going to be back with donald trump in just a few moments.

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president donald trump. so, testimony of the broadcast we were discussing the terrible police assassinations. i think it's domestic terrorism. and whether the republican party is going to make that issue killing police officers a campaign issue. will you do that? >> of course. it's a big issue. it's a horrible issue. and it's going to be a very important one. it's called law and order. we want law and order. that's going to be one of may big issues and always has been? what about the black lives matter movement? will they be singled out as a provocateur in this terrible situation? >> well, you see them marching and you see them on occasion, at least, i have seen it, where they are essentially calling death to the police. and that's not acceptable whether you like them or don't like them, that, bill, is not acceptable. but i have seen it and you have seen it. >> when you say it's not acceptable. if you are elected president, what can you do about a group like that? >> i think you have to look

into it very seriously because people get themselves in big jams for saying a lot less than that i have seen them marching down the street essentially calling death to the police. and i think we're going to have to look into that. especially in light of what is happening with these maniacsing if and shooting our police. >> when you say "look into it," there is a constitutional right, of course, to freedom of assembly and free speech. are you saying that yrder the ay general to look into it for possible charges? >> when you see something hike that taking place, that's really a threat, if you think about it and when you see something like that taking place, we are going to have to, perhaps, talk with the attorney general about it or do something, but, at a minimum, we're going to have to be watching. that's really bad stuff and it's happened more than once. >> do you believe the group, black lives matter, is a fuse-lighter in the assassinations of these police officers? >> well, certainly in certain instances they are. and they certainly have

ignited people and you see that. you see that all over. and i think it's a very, very serious situation and we just can't let it happen. now, everybody is free to say what you want to say up to a point. but when you are calling death to police and to kill the police, essentially, which is what they said, that's a real problem, bill. that's a real big problem. >> you know by saying that that the press that doesn't like you, the far left media will now start to say that you are a racist again. you know that's what's going to happen. >> well, i'm probably the least racist person there is. i'm doing very well with the african-american community. i'm going to bring jobs back to the country. and nobody can bring them pack and you understand that, but nobody can bring them back like i bring them back. our jobs have been stripped and whether you are talking about african-american, whether you are talking about hispanic, whether you are talking about asian, whether you are talking

about anybody in this country, we are going to bring jobs back. a big problem that would have, you take a look at the african-american youth, they have a 48% and even more than that unemployment rate, it's unaccept. >> we have talked about that before and most of that said occasion driven. let's turn to the convention. the ohio governor john kasich should be at the convention is not. have you spoken with him? how do you feel about that? >> look, i beat him very badly. i won 38 states. i won the highest number of votes in the history of the republican party. second was very, very far away. i beat him very, very soundly. and you have to understand, this was a contentious, some people say the most contentious primary they have ever seen either party. if i were him and gotten beaten that badly i probably wouldn't show up either. he has a problem he signed the pledge from.

a standpoint of honor i think he should show up. i also think this. if this were the democratic party i think he should show up because it's good for ohio. i wanted it to be here. and we had lots of choices. i wanted it to be in ohio. i recommended ohio. and people fought very hard that it be in ohio. it's a very economic development event and you look at the way it's going so far, it's very impressive. i wanted it to be here. the republicans wanted it to be here. honestly even if this were for the democrats he should at least who he up and say hello and how are you doing? he got beaten very, very badly. he could have left -- he should have left many weeks earlier than he did but he just hung around. >> do you think so is he being a sore loser? >> i don't want to say that but you know what? it was a very contentious primary. he lost very, very badly and maybe if i were in his position i wouldn't show up either. >> okay.

let's go to "60 minutes." were they fair to you in the edit. >> i think so. she asked questions. i was against the war in iraq. and if you take any candidate and i don't care who, can i go through hundreds, you are always going to have differences in terms of what you were with and what they were with. i was against the war in iraq. mike pence who has been so fantastic and to well received. you see what's going on and the love in this massive arena that i'm about to go in to very soon. you see the love and enthusiasm in that arena, it's incredible i think a lot of it is the fact that they really liked my choice. years ago he has made decisions that were different than i would have made. i was against the war in iraq. i said it was going to destabilize the middle east. it has. right now the middle east is in the worst shape it has ever been in. this is after spending trillions of dollars and

thousands and thousands of american lives. worse off now bill than we were 15 years ago when we started. >> i think republicans genuinely like pence as v.p. the liberal press right away tried to demonize him as a right wing fanatic, religious fanatic because of his very pro-life stance. did you see those articles? did you see that commentary? and how did you react to that? >> i see it a little bit but overall he has gotten a tremendous response. i don't think i could have picked anybody good as response. the party themselves love them. i have seen it. i have been with them. they really like the choice. it was my number one choice. i will go a step further with the press. because of what happened the tragedy as you understand in nyeste, i delayed it for a day. if i would have had that news conference that morning

right after the horrible event that took place in france that would have been catastrophic. it would have been so disrespectful and i would have taken a lot of heat. by delaying it for a day, they said oh, maybe he is not sure of his choice. i was 100 percent sure of my choice. it was made up. it was pure fiction by the press. that's the way it is. i will say, this i'm very happy with mike. i cannot believe how well received he is. in fact, much better than i even thought, bill. >> you don't need any more flamboyance. i know you understand that. [ laughter ] you don't really need that. i think you have that category covered. in that regard, when you speak on thursday evening. what is going to be the theme of your remarks other than the general let's make america great again? what are you going to hit there? just give us a little preview? >> i have many themes, bill. this is going to be a speech that is going to be relatively long speech. i have many themes one of them is law and order and

that's coming up more and more. i'm coming up more strongly 'it when you see what's going on with everything. we have to demand and demand from our politicians who are week and effective right now we have to talk about law and order. i am going to be talking strongly about borders and security and part of law and order but i didn't view it as part as law and order but borders before. stop crime in this country and stop other problems and help with employment and lots of other things. we will be talking about the wall. we will be talking about the tremendous tax indecrease. biggest of any republican or democrat. we will be doing a make, major, major max cut regulations killing business. and very importantly, we are going to fix our depleted military. we're going to take care of our veterans. we're going to get rid of

obamacare and come up with a plan that is so much better and so much less expensive and many or things. it's going to be a large speech in terms of what it is going to cover. >> and, finally, the speech of the evening tonight is your wife, melania. >> right. >> what is she going to tell us? >> well, hopefully she is going to say that she really loves her husband. and she understands me she understands me better than anybody else. >> you need a ph.d. to do that. >> i could have had you. [ laughter ] >> she is going to hopefully be just doing a great thing. i mean it's a very, very tough thing for somebody to get up in front. >> she doesn't seem the spotlight. >> no, she doesn't. she has tremendous confidence. as i say do make america great again. i'm so happy i did it. i have gotten to know the people of this country.

if shy scad or nervous. >> i will give her a short explanation. she is a terrific person and i think she is going to do a terrific job. >> is she dismard. >> i think she is a very confident person but i think she has to be a little bit. i don't even want to ask her the question. i don't want to put it in her mind. >> you are going to introduce her, right? >> i'm going to give her a very quick brief introduction because i want -- this is about her. this evening is really about her. she is a great mother. she is a terrific woman. you know her. and she has been a great wife and i'm going to give her an introduction and she will go up and i think she is going to do really well. >> all right. look. we know how busy you are tonight. we can't thank you enough to take the time to talk to millions of people watching you right now. we will take a quick break and come back to the convention floor as the factor continues to cover the republican convention in cleveland, ohio. they brought this on themselves.

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♪ >> we're continuing now with our coverage of the republican convention. let's bring back brit hume. we will listen to the interview with donald trump. he sounded very sedate. >> yeah. he sounded calm and comfortable and confident. it was interesting that he would choose to do the interview at this moment, bill, in light of the fact that the convention that is underway here with the intention of framing the issues and framing him in a certain light had at the same time you were doing this interview with him carried live on our air a speech by patricia smith, a mother of one of the benghazi victims who was indicting hillary clinton in her own mind saying that she blamed her, hillary, for

son's death. that's pretty strong medicine but it's fair not up to people to judge. one wonders whether his cause might have been better served by letting this fox audience who is pretty big hear her. >> we are going to run some clips of her. we are going to run some clips of what she said. but i -- you know, i think the strategy is that donald trump is it. we have heard with all due respect from ms. smith before there are two families. >> certainly not as if we haven't heard from him before. >> no we haven't heard him on black lives matter and how is he going to use it in the campaign. we hadn't heard him on john kasich not being at the convention. so, these are new things and that, you know, i think the trump campaign and i want your opinion on whether this is right or wrong, politically speaking. the trump campaign and this is why governor pence was selected v.p. you know what? it's really all about our

front guy. all the ancillary stuff is interesting. but our front guy really drives everything. so the more exposure we can get and they know massive audience watching right now, the better. >> well, look, that's inevitably true, bill. you are correct about that. in the end people don't vote because they like the vice presidential nominee they vote or don't vote based on what they think of the man or woman as the case may some day be at the head of the ticket. indeed and the democratic party's case that's this year. so that's true. but, the question of whether he is under exposed, i think, is a fair question. and, you know, whether he might feel, i don't know -- i think he probably doesn't but that he was stepping on his own convention. >>. no i'm fairly confident that trump understands and this is not an ego tis egotistical statement on his part or my part that he did it. can you see it in the "60 minutes" interview last night. did you see that interview

with pence? >> i saw most of it, yes. >> trump dominated the interview. >> it is about him. >> i like the governor but -- >> -- maybe we can agree on this. for better or for worse, it's about him. >> yeah. all about him. and all of the acolytes and all of the supporters and endorsements go thrown right out the window and it's all about her on the democratic side. i mean, these are people and you correct me if i am wrong, have you been around longer than me, look, i remember your coverage of rutherford b. hayes and it was excellent. [ laughter ] it's all about these two individuals. it doesn't matter who likes them and who doesn't like them. it doesn't matter. it's mano a mano and i hope i don't offend the feminists, these two. and that's what it is going to come down to. >> i agree with that. >> okay.

thank you god. bring in kirsten powers you heard the trump would you have did anything stand out to you. >> yes a lot stood out to me particularly your conversation about black lives matter. some of the things he said were pretty troubling. when you asked him when they were being provocative and you said we are going to look into that seriously. people get into trouble for less than that we have to be watching this kind of thing and at one point you asked him maybe he would go to the ag. he said he might do that everyone is free to say what they want up to point. this is kind of authoritarian speak frankly. it's not true that we are free to say things up to the point unless we are threatening somebody. >> but that's his point. >> in a crowded theater. >> making a direct threat. >> believes there is threats being lodged. >> no. it's not direct threat of the supreme court has defined it is not what black lives matter is doing. making chants at a protest is not considered -- that is

protected speech. that is very dangerous for donald trump to be talking 'going to the ag to go after protesters. i'm surprised you weren't bothered by that. >> how do you know i wasn't bothered by it? >> are you bothered by it? >> it's my job to elicit information from both candidates which is what i did. now do i believe the supreme court would throw out a conviction for black lives matter chanting "kill the police"? yes, do i believe the supreme court as structured. we i do believe that you could make a case that if somebody is saying "kill the police," you can arrest them? yes, i think you can make a case. does that answer your question? >> and so you think that he should be going after black lives matter. >> you're putting words in my mouth and i'm not doing that. as the president of the united states, i want to know his point of view

whether is he going to monitor this group for threats against the police and he said he was. >> i think you did an excellent job frankly in getting him to say these things because i have long been concerned how his views of free speech are. and i think you have got him to be more on the record frankly about his hostility to free speech. >> let me get this straight you said i did an excellent job. is that what you just said? >> i did. what time is it? what day is it? it happened. >> i don't know what to say now, i'm tearing up. i'm going to take a break because we want to use some sound bites from pat smith if we can get them up about her benghazi experience with hillary clinton. and we have that for you as the factor continues. ♪ ♪

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emotional moment in the hall right here. giuliani should be on in a moment's time. i remember he was the prelude to sarah palin that night, and he treated that room like it was a roast at a friar's club in midtown manhattan. i asked if he would have a similar tone tonight, he said there might be a little bit of that but it might get emotional because i'm going to make a commitment to police officers today. he said, you just watch. >> i'm going to take a little bit of the guys and benghazi who fought the terrorists there. let's flip over to them and hear what they have to say. >> headed to tripoli and then had to stay behind because they couldn't hold everybody. again, the gaddafi loyalist militia stepped up and said, hey, we can go get the ambassador. they took off, returned with the ambassador's body, myself, tanto

and one of the delta force guys checked, make sure it was him, looked him over. he was wearing the exact same clothes he was wearing that morning when i saw him, when we went over there because there was a threat on a local -- well, there was a threat on a government compound that day. and, you know, he was wearing the exact same clothes. the only different, you know, he had black soot on his feet, on his fingernails, around his ears, you know. but there was no sign of torture, no sign of mutilation. you know, it was obvious to us he died of smoke inhalation, and all those rumors about that happening to him and our whole government squashing it right away is a bunch of bull crap. [ applause ] >> getting testimony on the benghazi attack, which was also what pat smith was talking about on how hillary clinton addressed that situation with her when her son came back dead.

martha maccallum, let's go to you. what's the most interesting thing you've seen tonight at the convention so far? >> well, as you pointed out, we've been hearing a lot of testimony about benghazi this evening. that's clearly one of the big thrusts of the evening, to share that story with the people here. the other big moment, though, that is going to come tonight, bill, you spoke about with donald trump, and that's the appearance of his wife, melania. and i heard you and bret talking about the fact that this is really all about donald trump, and that's absolutely true. but i think the group of people that it is about after donald trump is going to turn out at this convention to be his family. they are the strongest surrogates that he has. tonight melania, who is probably the most reluctant member of that group because she doesn't really crave the limelight as you were speaking about, she will go first. she will talk about her experience growing in slovenia. she will talk about her experience coming here as an immigrant. it's very interesting that given donald trump's stance on the border and on immigration, his wife is an example of a legal immigrant to this country, and

her story is very compelling about how she wanted to do that legally and correctly. >> and there's a lot of curiosity about her. they don't -- people don't know her very much, so that will be a very interesting speech. we do have now the sound bites from pat smith, who spoke moments ago. let's roll that. >> that night we lost sons, brothers, fathers, and husbands. we lost four brave americans who made the ultimate sacrifice for the country they chose to serve, and the american people lost the truth. for all of this loss, for all of this grief, for all of the citizens of the tragedy in benghazi has brought upon america, i blame hillary clinton. [ cheers and applause ]

i blame hillary clinton personally for the death of my son. that's personally. in an e-mail to her daughter shortly after the attack, hillary clinton blamed it on terrorism. but when i saw hillary clinton -- >> she's a liar. >> she sure is. she sure is. she lied to me and then called me a liar. [ audience booing ] very emotional testimony by pat smith, who lost her son, sean, in the terror attack in benghazi. so summing up the hour, we basically have kicked off the republican campaign, and the theme today is "make america safe again." and then throughout the week, they'll have different themes culminating on thursday with "make america great again." the roster of speakers and we hope you stay with the fox news channel throughout the evening, we have some very interesting

speakers coming up. ru rudy giuliani coming up, melania trump. it's basically the theme that america is broken, all right? we're a broken country. this is the republican theme, and this is what they have to get across and convince voters to get mr. trump into the white house. that america is a broken society. we're broken on a lot of different levels. economically we're broken. on the terror front, we're not neutralizing the threats against america in an effective way. and now a more recent thing, and this was a very, very interesting part of the program tonight, is these attacks on american police officers because this brings most americans together. you see, this is -- you can't have this. once that starts, all right, it becomes a quick breakdown of law and order, and the republicans and donald trump have seized upon that. so we have, among our commentators, a little different of opinion. brit hume says it's a pretty

powerful political move to make that a centerpiece. charles krauthammer says, no, that it's divisive and it might backfire if you try to do that. so that's a fascinating part of how the republican party is going to present itself. and it will be interesting to see on thursday night -- and i think trump's speech is going to run closer to an hour. i think he'll speak close to an hour and that he's going to segment the speech down. it's going to be written for him. he's going to read it off the teleprompter and he's much better extemporaneously. this is not a knock at trump. but trump is much more persuasive and much more engaging when he just speaks, like marcus luttrell earlier this hour. but he will read it off the prompter because he's got a lot of stuff in there that he has to get. you can't remember it all even if you have an outline in front of you. but the presentation now is shifting a little bit. it's shifting away from economics and away from terrorism into this terrible situation we have in america

with the racial division that's now leading to violence. it's leading to violence where there are some civilians killed by police in questionable circumstances, no doubt about that, okay? and now assassinations of police officers in dallas and baton rouge. so now this becomes a tremendous emotional issue that if framed properly by the republican party, puts the democratic party in a way that they have -- they can't match the rhetoric. they're not going to be able to match it, but they're going to have to either say, you know, listen, black lives matter, you need to cool this or go with the status quo. so if donald trump needed a wedge issue, he's got it now, and it's just a shame that this is happening in america because as i said -- i said it before -- the world is watching all this. they're watching all this. and the united states of america is the beacon. it is. it remains the beacon, all right? but people are going, what's going on? what is this? you know, this has just almost

come out of nowhere. so it's a very interesting week, and we hope you stay with us tonight and throughout the week. i will be going to ohio on wednesday because that's what the action really heats up. then thursday donald trump accepts the nomination. it should be very interesting. hope you stay with us throughout. i'm bill o'reilly. breaking tonight, we are live in cleveland as the republican national convention gets under way and america faces new fear about a growing racial tension that has boiled over into the deadly targeting of men in blue. welcome to "the kelly file," everyone. i'm megyn kelly high above the quicken loans arena for day one of the rnc here in cleveland, ohio. the focus of this day is security. the theme, make america safe again. throughout the hour, we'll be bringing you key moments of the speeches as this convention comes at a particularly troubling time in america's history. it all starts almost two weeked ago with the police-involved shooting death of alton sterling in baton rouge, louisiana. the very ne