we kick off the democratic convention special. sunday 7:00 p.m. up next anchor bret baier for "the o'reilly factor" as we await the big decision from the clinton campaign. ♪ ♪ >> good evening. i'm bret baier in for bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us. we have a lot of breaking news tonight. an announcement from hillary clinton about her vice presidential pick is believed to be imminent. really any second now. we'll have that for you as soon as it happens. but, first, an apparent terror attack in munich, germany. at least 10 people are dead. 10 more wounded after at least one shooter and it's believed to be one now, opened fire at a major shopping center in munich. video of the chaos emerging on twitter showing one gunman opening fire on a crowd of innocent people.

[gunfire] >> a tenth body discovered near the scene of that rampage. police believe it was the suspected gunman and that he shot himself. authorities were looking for at least three more potential suspects but as we have seen in other recent attacks, they think they're wrong. they now believe the dead suspect was likely the sole shooter. munich police are also giving us now a cautious all clear but today mass transit was shut down, highways closed for part of the day as authorities fanned out in search of what they thought were three other gunmen. at one point munich police said that the gunman had some sort of islamist background. details still coming in on all of this today's munich attack is a the latest in a string of horrific mass casualty attacks in recent weeks stretching all the way from orlando to baghdad to dallas to nice and beyond. joining us now on the phone

with reaction to all of this, the host of the show, bill o'reilly. hi, bill. >> hey, bret, thanks for sitting in for me tonight. >> your thoughts on munich and what it means in the big picture? >> well, terrorism is contagion now we are start toggle see it break out like the bubonic plague all over europe. it isn't anything that you can say is organized per se. it's not being directed by raqqa isis leaders. but there is a strain that goes through this. and here it is. the gunmen that are murdering innocent people, including children, are losers. they are just people who have nothing to live for they are nile lists so they don't believe in anything. taking human life has any consequence. that's the thread that goes through. it doesn't matter whether they are armed, loaners, or

people isis capacity. that's the one thing they have all in common. they are all losers. they don't believe in anything. they don't think there are any consequences to their actions other than in their own lives being own lives being lost and they don't value their own life that's why they don't value anyone else's layoff. that's the contagion. there is nothing you can do about it on a case-by-case basis. certainly the west and not just the united states but europe as well i their failure to confront evil in the isis has lit this feud. now we are paying the price to that retreat. >> europe in particular, bill, has a major problem on its hands with the threat from all of these refugees from syria flowing in germany, there are protests in the streets about what they are doing with these people coming in. and that worry, i guess,

translates all over the world. >> sure, and it's not just the risk of islamists coming in on a refugee basis. but it's also the backlash from the far right, the neo nazi groups. not just in germany but all over europe. who now say, you know what? we are going to go out and kill some people that we don't like you have a civil war brewing. not everybody is violent in that civil war but there is a civil war. in sweden the most benign country. they just enacted legislation that would force refugees to pay their own way. norway, five years ago to the day. five years ago this day, a terrorist killed 77 people in norway. so, europe is on the verge of anarchy, social anarchy it's all because millions of

refugees have fled the middle east, isis and al qaeda and streamed into the open border society of europe, disrupting life in every single way and then you bring it back to the united states, this is why donald trump has been so successful in his message we are not going to allow open borders here. we are not going to allow people in here from terror regions and that has resonated and that's why he has the nomination. >> i'm sitting here in philadelphia as democrats get ready to start their convention next week on monday. hillary clinton will try to sell and unify her party that is frankly pretty fractured with the bernie sanders folks. even though he has endorsed her. there is a lot of angst in the party and then this news story about the dnc emails, wikileaks putting out these thousands of emails about internal negotiations and deliberations about sanders. meantime, this story, the munich story, the other attacks, terrorism as you just mentioned is playing

heavily in this race. >> you have hillary clinton who is going to tim kaine senator from virginia as running mate. the reason she is doing this is because she needs virginia. it's a vital state. and cain and governor terry mcauliff a close clinton ally will deliver for virginia. virginia will go democrat this time around. it's a tactical move on hillary clinton's part. cain is a centerrist. he is actually a catholic who does not believe in abortion personally. but he does what a lot of politicians do. he won't legislate against it. he is not anywhere near bernie sanders and that far left group. cain has foreign policy experience. he has administrative experience as the governor of virginia. but outside virginia, along with mike pence in indiana. -- goes back to my theory that you have heard over and over. probably sick of hearing it. that it doesn't matter hot

vp is. doesn't matter who endorses them. nothing matters other than trump against hillary. so well defined people are going to have to go to the polls. they don't like either of them. who t. doesn't matter who is endorsing what. nothing matters. it's mano a mano. official announcement supposed to come out on twitter any second. obviously when we get the official word we will bring it to you here. that debate potentially between tim kaine and mike penceing. >> >> going to be like the world wrestling association. i know everybody is going to have their helmet on for that pence vs. cain. debate between hillary and trump will be the highest rated debate of all time by far. pence vs. cain eye why why why why. they are good men, most of them but they are not

exciting guys. >> last thing, just to wrap up if you would your thoughts of last night and the rnc and the week it was? >> number one it's embarrassing that any major political announcement going over twitter. that shows the decline of the nation right there. i thought trump did a nice job in his speech. he needs to mobilize people who don't vote. get people ripped up. surface of evil in this country that i haven't seen in my lifetime. there is evil in america. there is evil. we see it play out overseas but now it's here. and trump is tapping in to that like i'm the guy. i'm the avenger, i'm going to knock it out. whether he can or not who knows. but he has a very god chance of winning this election everybody should know it. >> bill, as always, thanks for having me host your show. >> all right, bret, thanks again. >> we will see you. have a good one.

let's turn now as we wait any second for this announcement on twitter from hillary clinton to two of the best. carl cameron and jennifer griffin. let's start with jennifer with the clinton campaign. we are anxiously awaiting twitter. odds are as you have been reporting for days and days that tim kaine is the guy. >> that's right, bret. in fact, all indications are that it is tim kaine. we do know that he is in rhode island right now i just moments ago he was at a fundraiser. people we know saw him there. newport, rhode island. not clear if or when he will be getting on a plane coming down to miami where hillary clinton will be appearing with her vice president for the first time. what we have just seen here at the state fairgrounds is we have seen the travel inbeds leaving with her. she stayed after her speech. her speech did not address the vp pick. it did not address the

munich attack. she spoke for about, you know, 25 minutes and never mentioned any of that she focused on donald trump and his speech at the rnc. all indications suggest as we reported last night, the short list was down to 3. tim kaine of virginia, tom vilsack of iowa and cory booker of new jersey. but reading the tea leaves it seems at any moment we will hear via text message and email that's how the clinton campaign plans to put this out. there were reports that john podesta her campaign chairman and hillary clinton herself were calling those on the short list who had not been picked. it was unusual for hillary clinton to stay behind here at the state fairgrounds after her speech was done. but she was here for, you know, i would say a good 20 minutes. and that suggested to me since she wasn't doing any interviews that perhaps she was on the phone with some of those vp picks who had not been chosen and, perhaps, speaking to that --

who she did choose. we are waiting right now. it's going to come across not on twitter necessarily but on text message and email. bret, back to you. >> jennifer, you know, the "new york times" is following bill o'reilly and they say it is tim kaine that has been selected. the official word from the campaign has not come out yet carl cameron? what does it mean? we were expecting it. centrist virginia governor. 58 years old. speaks spanish flew endly. is he a guy considers himself and described as bill mentioned catholic. a pope francis catholic. a former missionary who personally opposes abortion. he has talked about the poor many times. he says that he is basically down the middle when -- he is not a true blue dog democrat on a lot of issues, carl, but he is someone who is a safe. if mike pence is a safe generic republican,

jennifer, you do have this confirmed now, sorry one second, carl? >> yes. in fact, we just received a text message that tim kaine, senator of virginia is hillary clinton's pick for vice president. we also just saw a tweet by cory booker the new jersey senator who was on the short list saying that cain is anably pick. so we now know it's official. hillary clinton has chosen tim kaine of virginia as her running mate, bret, back to you. >> tim kaine now the vp pick is a generic democrat, centrist. as much as mike pence is sort of a generic republican. someone who is a safe pick on both sides. >> well, and he is also a virginia democrat. and virginia is a very important swing state. is he a proven vote getter in northern virginia. very democrat. but he has also been able to compete in some of the southern parts of the state which are much more conservative. he hab the chairman of the democratic national committee and chairman on a number of other committees. is he a long-time democratic

operative and politician and he has got lots of friends. is he pretty well liked in the democratic party and that's been a lot of hillary clinton's problems. can he act as a reassurance. perhaps bring a little bit of that southern virginia charm. authentic virginian and sometimes hillary clinton gets sort of criticized for turning on the southern accent and going from chicago to new york and sometimes pretend she is from the old south. so, there are aspects to his candidacy that will complement that ticket. there are not a lot of things about tim kaine that become big liabilities. he has been a clean politician in a state where there is only one term for governors and a lot of governors end up scandal ridden during one term. as a senator he has made friends. he hasn't been considered overly boisterous or liberal. he has not gotten in the face of the president. as you say while he is not a clear blue dog democrat. he is not an elizabeth warren. is he not a bernie sanders. is he little bit more moderate than hillary clinton in a lot of ways. that may help the democrats

pick up some swing republican votes who are disaffected by donald trump. notwithstanding his attempt at a unifying convention this week. there is still going to be some hangers on in the never trump category. the folks who are with jeb bush, the folks with john kasich and perhaps some with ted cruz although he really irritated a lot of his folks with his performance. >> a lot of the people say coming out of cleveland they felt it was more unified than going in. >> right. >> we will see how that plays out. on the cain pick, it's from virginia, a swing state. but it's not exactly a trumpian state. he was in the latest polls down about 10. latest fox poll has him down 10 in virginia. it was not lining up to be a state that the trump campaign i think was looking at as one to pick off. >> right. >> especially with the northern suburbs, northern virginia which is pretty blue at this point. >> absolutely. so that's why when trump goes to virginia he tends to head down towards the sea coast toward the norfolk naval station.

next week go to roanoke. deep virginia south as it were. is he going to be going after sewing up those conservative voters in that part of the state where it is far more red than the northern virginia corridor which has everything to do with people who are working in washington, d.c. and that's, again, where tim kaine and democrats have been very strongeght notely, for trump, he recognizes that virginia is important. while he lists some 17 swing states across the country that he believes are necessary to win and he will be targeting in order to win the presidency, conventional wisdom says there is a few fewer than that virginia is on everybody's list. particularly for donald trump and hillary clinton, virginia is going to be a real battleground and tim kaine helped there whereas mike pence helps. >> is he a fluent spanish speaker. >> absolutely. i think it's important to point out, bret, he was not chosen simply because he could deliver virginia. he was chosen, first of all,

because he has national security credentials. that was going to be very important to hillary clinton. she told her advisors that from the beginning. he was on the senate armed services committee. he was on the foreign affairs committee. remember when president obama did not choose him and he was on his short list back in 2008. it was because he didn't have those national security credentials. so when he came to the senate, he got on those committees and he has been a powerful member of those committees. in terms of his spanish, he learned spanish in honduras as a missionary. he was with the jesuits down there. took a year off from harvard law school. he speaks fluent spanish. some say he even speaks better spanish than some of the latino candidates on her short list. the reason that this is significant is that here in florida, latino voters are absolutely the key to winning florida. and that is why the announcement is being made in florida. they will appear together in miami tomorrow at florida international university. that is a large university

with 60% of the students there are latino. a few statistics that we reported tonight in "special report" with you, bret, is that the number of voters, potential voters in the state, i believe it was 17 million latino voters in the last few years alone the number of puerto ricans who have moved from puerto rico to florida has doubled to nearly a million voters. so now cubans and puerto rico make up a third estimated about 15% of those voters. bret, back to you. >> jennifer griffin back to you. breaking news hillary clinton choosing tim kaine. rnc reacting. reince priebus saying after pandering to grass roots democrats. hillary clinton chosen someone hold positions she spent to the entire primary trying to get to the left of. that's from the rnc. more of this breaking news after this. she spent summer binge-watching.

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welcome back to philadelphia. the site of the democratic national convention where we now know hillary clinton will be standing on this stage behind me with senator tim kaine of virginia. that is who she has chosen to be her vice presidential nominee. joining me here in philadelphia chief washington correspondent james rosen as well as senior political analyst brit hume. you know, it's been a long couple of days. >> yeah. weren't we just doing this a few minutes ago in another city? [ laughter ] >> it's been a long couple days. james, we're talking about this pick and how it's a safe pick. it also comes at a time where hillary clinton has a problem on the left that is exacerbated with this breaking story that is about wikileaks releasing some 20,000 emails, democratic

national committee emails and some of them are pretty embarrassing about where the committee, the debbie wasserman schultz, the chair, was trying to perhaps edge bernie sanders out of the equation. >> yeah. amazing timing by wikileaks. just happens to come on the eve of this convention. these emails are somewhat damaging. they tend to validate what bernie sanders has been saying all along. he has been complaining about debbie wasserman schultz, the chair of the dnc being tilted and trying to slant the entire process in favor of hillary clinton all along. this problem that hillary clinton has with the left wing of her party has been in evidence for the entirety of this primary cycle. and there was a real enthusiasm gap for hillary clinton whereas bernie sanders, a 74-year-old socialist senator from vermont that most folks had never heard of before was able to draw these extraordinary rallies and extraordinary crowds with lots of young people. so, tim kaine is not going to do anything, i don't

think, to ameliorate those problems with her own party. just the sound of it clinton-cain it's not exactly stirring. mike pence is seen as you mentioned with carl cameron earlier as a safe choice. at least donald trump does generate excitement among some members of his own party i'm not sure hillary clinton does. >> clinton-cain vs. trump-pence. just the maim alone, right? sounds like a currency trump-pence. >> yes, in a foreign country. brit, your thoughts on this pick. >> i saw some republicans saying if it were cain, cain and unable. >> in fact corey booker says cain is able. >> a safe pick and there is nothing abrasive about tim kaine. nobody is going to mistake him for a republican although is he more conservative or at least his record is certainly more conservative than hillary clinton's and way more conservative than bernie sanders. but nobody -- but he is a

liberal. and but is he not hard core abrasive liberal of the kind that really offends members of the other party. is he a very, very personable. likeable kind of easy going guy. and i think he will serve her well. if she hasn't got her left flank protected by now, she is not going to get it by virtue of this pick. or any pick i can think of. really short of bernie sanders himself. you know that's not going to happen. >> there was one other choice that would have done that elizabeth warren, true? >> she was never close to being chosen. >> i'm not saying she was. but there was a pick that hillary clinton could have availed herself of that would have done a lot to demonstrate to the massive section of the democratic party which is growing more steadily left ward that was concerned about hillary clinton. >> when you go to a general election, and you are on the left, you don't go lefter, you go to the center. that's what she has done. >> you have got to mobilize and she got the scare of her life from bernie sanders,

believe it or not, this man won a lot of primaries and caucuses. and raised a lot of money. and it is still going to be an active presence on the scene. i don't think tim kaine's goodwill or good faith is doubted by large segments of the democratic party, but hillary clinton had a problem and i do think in contrast to what you were saying that there was at least one person she could have picked who might have helped her with that problem. >> chief political correspondent carl cameron still with us. karl? >> well, the other thing is there has been v. been differences between mr. cain and ms. clinton. she has said she does not support the tpp. mr. cain has said positive things about it although he hasn't promised to vote for it she is ardently pro-choice. -- he supports a woman's right to choose. he has had differences with president obama when the president was saying that as commander and chief he had executive authority to bomb syria in the battle against isis. cain, along with jeff flake the republican senator from

arizona wanted very much for an authorization for the use of force, much like what happened with the bush administration during the iraq war. of course, that didn't happen. so, he has occasionally found himself at odds with hillary clinton and perhaps this will, again, help him on some level courting those people who disagree with him on those issues in the democratic party. and he has stepped up against president obama when he thought that his legislative prerogatives were being infringed upon by the president who didn't have the authority to go to war without an act of congress, bret. >> jennifer griffin standing by with the clinton campaign. they are going to travel, jennifer, to miami to make this official unveiling tomorrow; is that correct? >> that's right. in fact, they are on route to miami right now. we can report a few details from behind the scenes, bret. we have just learned that hillary clinton called tim kaine at 7:32 p.m. tonight. that was just a little while ago. and then she spoke with the president at about 7:48. the time line in terms of

how the decision was made back in april, john podesta visited her house in chappaqua, new york, and supposedly dropped off two dozen binders, each was a candidate and an informal interaction with those candidates. then we learned that after last thursday's rally with tim kaine in northern virginia that she invited him back to her home in washington, d.c. they spent about 90 minutes together at her house, we're told from, a campaign aide. he left her house at about 10:30 p.m. that thursday. thursday the last week. at that point they did have lunch with chelsea and bill clinton as well as chelsea's husband. they ate lunch that weekend after the northern virginia rally. they ate lunch at her dc residence. remember, also, on the

friday after she met with cain, there were five of the short list candidates who were called back to her home. the campaign told us at the time that they were not being told and that included elizabeth warren, among others, who were invited, these were the finalists, really. and the campaign tells us that's not when they were told that they were not the pick. it was a second round of interviews. and then later during the weekend, that is when some of those picks were invited back for a second time. and then hillary clinton settled on tim kaine. so, this has been quiet obvious testimony that senator cain was her choice. then in recent days they said that tom vilsack of iowa, close family friend of the clintons was in the mix as well as cory booker. that was a laided a who had been talked about in the beginning and then at the very end the campaign sources told us that new jersey senator cory booker was still a favorite on that

short list. so, now we have more details about how it all came down jennifer, thank you. before we head to break, one final word here? >> it occurs to me if the clinton camp were hoping or worried about the effect of the trump convention and want to do step on his bounce, they would have done this in the middle of the day. might have even made a different choice. we have seen how that can work. it worked for mccain like crazy in 2008. his announcement of sarah palin stunned the political world. she came and made a performance at a press conference. all that later went to ashes. but. you can do that with your pick. if they want to do do that it suggests to me that they are not worried about the effect of his convention. didn't feel it necessary to step on the bounce. do it by email or text message at 8:00 on a friday night which is the classic, the graveyard where news

goes to die. >> we had the munich attack today. they insist it did not effect their timing on this release, obviously if it was going to happen in the afternoon, all the news channels were focused on that. and, secondly, is that they love the social media announcement like donald trump put it out on social media as well. take a break. breaking news, hillary clinton choosing senator tim kaine as her running mate. what does that mean for the big picture in this race? we'll analyze the politics of terror after that munich attack today. stay with us. ♪ (vo) you can pass down a subaru forester. (dad) she's all yours. (vo) but you get to keep the memories.

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welcome back to philadelphia and the big news from the democratic side of the ticket. hillary clinton has chosen tim kaine. typing on facebook i'm thrilled to announce my running mate tim kaine. is he a lifelong fighter for progressive causes and one of the most qualified vice presidential candidates in our nation's history. his credentials alone aren't why i asked him to run alongside me. tim is a man of relentless optimism who believes no problem is unsoftball if you are willing to put in the work that commitment to delivering results has stayed with him throughout his decades long career as a public servant. i could give you a laundry list of things he accomplished as mayor of richmond, governor of virginia and in the united states senate. but here's what's important she writes: tim has never taken a job for the glory or the title. he is the same person whether the cameras are on or off.

motivated boy the belief that you can make a difference in people's lives through public service. i didn't make this decision lightly. i have had the privilege of seeing two presidents and two vice presidents up close. and i wanted to pick someone who will be able to give me their best advice, look me in the eye and tell me they disagree with me when they do. but what matters most is a simple test that's not easy person could step in at a moment's notice and serve as president. i have no doubt that tim can do the job. i want him by my side on the trail and in the white house but we're going to need your help to get there so join me and tim and let's get to work and win this thing is what she writes on facebook. joining me now from south field, michigan is congresswoman debbie dingell from michigan. thanks for being here. congresswoman, your reaction to this pick. >> i think it's great. he is one of the most decent human beings i have ever known. as you just talked about her description of him was

absolutely on point. he has all kinds of experience ranging from the local level as being a mayor to being lieutenant governor and governor i worked with him closely when he was chair of the dnc. bold and soft and speaks spanish. he is caring. one of the most able caring people. he was my candidate from the beginning. i am so excited to see him picked tonight. i can't tell. >> you congresswoman one of the story lines that we just talked about it here is that there is a bit of a riff after this primary and part of the -- part of this convention is to bring the unity that also republicans sought to bring at the end of their convention between the bernie sanders faction, the left of your party, and the more center or hillary clinton side and tim kaine doesn't definitely reach out to the bernie sanders types, does he. do you know what he is? he is a bridge builder. he knows how to work with everybody. you know, first of all. everybody is trying to make it sound like senator

sanders isn't going to be on board in this ticket. we don't have the rift inside the democratic party that the republican party has. there is no one that wants to make sure that donald trump isn't president more than senator sanders does come november. everybody is going to be on board. tim can just work with everybody. can he bring everybody in. and that's the beginning i knew he was a safe choice but i hope it would be tim. i'm really excited. >> congresswoman, i know you say that it's unity and i know bernie sanders has endorsed hillary clinton. emails. wikileaks put out thousands put out some effort to edge out bernie sanders and that concern sanders had been debbie wasserman schultz may have been justified. >> i'm was one of the people that senator sanders was going to win in michigan and

i have from the very beginning worked with all of his supporters in michigan there are a lot of issues that he has brought to the table that he has insured going to be part of the discussion. trade being one of the biggest. he brings credibility to it neither he nor i would support somebody for president who was going to hurt this country with trade issues. i think when you look at the speech that happened last night in cleveland, you look at how -- donald trump using fear and hatred to divide this country. the voters that are supporting bernie sanders don't want to support someone trying to divide this country. so i think that you are going to see everybody pull together and i think you will see a very different convention in philadelphia than you saw this week in cleveland. >> all right. so you are not worried about the fallout of these leaked emails? >> well, i think that, you know, people are probably not glad to read some of them. and, but, you know, let's talk about what happened during the republican primary and the ugliness and

the rhetoric that we saw between the republican candidates and what ted cruz did to even to donald trump this week. so i think we are a lot more together than the republican party is. and many of the presidential candidates that were in that primary refused to support donald trump or wouldn't even go to cleveland. >> congresswoman dingell, thank you very much for the time. see you here in philadelphia next week. >> look forward to seeing you, thank you. >> breaking news again, senator tim kaine the choice for hillary clinton as vice presidential nominee. he will be standing on this stage right behind me delivering a speech accepting that nomination and then standing next to hillary clinton. that is the ticket. clinton-cain against trump-pence. we will look at the map and then also talk about this terror attack in munich, germany and what impact that has after this.

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the breaking news today, thought only hillary clinton naming tim kaine but also an attack in germany. german authorities at this hour are now releasing new information about today's shooting rampage. hewn nic's police chief saying the shooting suspect who is now believed to be the sole shooter is an 18-year-old german iranian from munich. he apparently had german and iranian citizenship.

suspected gunman not previously known to miss. he apparently used a pistol according to initial evidence they have gathered and committed suicide. joining us now with more from los angeles, counter terrorist specialist aaron connie from washington james cisco a former marine and naval officer and current president of the risk advisory firm global and on the phone from munich allen hall a correspondent for the london times. you know first to you, they were looking for what seemed like three men with long guns. we have seen that here in a number of incidents where these tragic mass killings end up being one gunman. now things are a lot more calm in munich? >> yes. they are calming down a little. but, the miss are not giving up on looking for more suspects. in fact, there are 2,300 police vehicles in action at the moment and they have drafted in elements of the

gsg nine, which is like germany's delta force of police. these are antiterrorist trained police. so, while it might be one gunman, there is always the fear that he is supported by a bigger network. the latest information on victims is that there are nine dead. the gunman makes it 10. 21 people injured. some of them very zeroly and there might be more deaths overnight. as i say the city has returned to somewhat more normal. but, the underground will not start running for another couple of hours and the night are still not running. but the initial panic that gripped this city because, you know, the attack came just days after a 17-year-old afghani refugee attacked a train with ax and knife. the panic has subsided

somewhat. in the cold light of day tomorrow germany will then be reassessing and wondering how it can plug these gaps in its security. >> james cisco, you know, germany, has been dealing with severe threats from terrorism for quite some time now with the refugee influx that is only increasing, perhaps exponentially. >> well, listen, you don't have to be counter terrorism expert to understand what's happening in europe and in the united states. so the current counter insurgency or counter terrorism strategies are failing. they fail to deliver solutions. they nearly treat the systems of terrorism under pin the violence and really don't address or provide a cure for the disease. this is being played out or amplified with the refugee crisis. where you now have polarization in societies that some are for the refugees and support that

and others are extremely against it. so, it's not uniffathomable see rise in events not only in europe but also in the united states. >> james, what do they do about it or how do they change it? how do they deal with it. >> that's a freight question. what we have seen is that the current strategies are reactive. they are not proactive. i'm going to go back to what bill said earlier in the post where he said that these people were losers. i totally disagree. these people are driven by their ideology, by their identity. and any time you challenge somebody's identity it results in violence. what you are seeing is identity conflict being played out. how do you solve it? you understand the identities of the individuals, the groups, the communities, and then you create the strategies and narrow tis to counter those identity conflicts. and it's not that difficult. but, if you continue to take a reactive approach to this, we are just going to be talking about this every time there is an incident.

>> there are a lot of incidents. let me go to aaron cohen. your thought in all of this and how it's played out in germany. >> well, bret, i will tell you what we are seeing here is a collosal security failure that i believe starts systematically from chancellor merkel. and in september of 2015, she let in within a period of six weeks 40 to 60,000 untoo lated syrian and iraqi immigrants and it has now bolstered up to 1.5 million undocumented total immigrants now and that's just in berlin allen. let me say this, berlin and germany is one of the most active intelligence hot beds in the world right now. israel our cia, mi 6, mi 5 working fervourly because of the million and a half immigrants allowed into germany with no prior pack ground history.

the only security scrutiny they went through was literally a fingerprint and photo from my intelligence sources that i'm hearing that those immigrants, portions of them were able to get off trains and able to duck out of the actual transition process and literally disappear into the limelight. this is a collosal security failure it's looming over the black light of world war ii. germans are riddenned with guilt and turned into massive security failure that they need to start addressing from the imforeign relation problem. >> they have had some success, aaron. there was a big raid in three different cities where they took down a cell that they had been watching for some time düsseldorf parentally. you are saying that there a hot, a lot, big numbers of potential terrorists. >> yes. >> throughout that region. >> yeah, bret. bret, we are crossing into coming up on 2 million poorly screened immigrants allowed into the country. i will tell you the country started off open arms with

the immigrants. merkel was looked at. almost as a pariah, if you will. the country is quickly changing its boat right now. the reason why is because there are certain neighborhoods in germany there's certain neighborhoods in germany where germans don't want to go into. they're not covered. these are regular germans as opposed to stricter muslims. so germany is a big problem right now, and if they don't start to look at sweden's situation in terms of how they plugged and closed the borders, germany is going to continue to see this type of violence playing out in the streets like we have in france. >> well, gentlemen, thank you very much. when we come back here on the factor, we'll analyze how terror plays in the 2016 campaign and the breaking news. hillary clinton selecting senator tim kaine to be her running mate. clean food.

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welcome back to philadelphia, the sight of the democratic convention next week. we're back with brit hume and james rosen talking about the politics of terror. this munich attack today, a series of attacks in recent weeks. brit, how does this play? obviously donald trump talked about that a lot in that speech last night. >> yeah, it feeds into the sense that people have that from enemies without and within and from criminals in our streets shooting at policemen, that we are a people in danger, indeed, that we are a western world endangered. to that extent, it sort of underscores what many people see as the validity of the donald trump appeal. whether this particular incident adds much to that at this moment and will still be on people's minds by november, i think is anybody's guess. >> but the series of incidents -- >> well, the question is whether there's more of this. you know, it doesn't seem to be stopping. and think about this for a moment. think how easy it is for

somebody to walk with a pistol into a shopping mall somewhere. think of america and think of the number of shopping malls, all of them soft targets across this country, in big cities and small. they're out there, and lots of people are there on a busy saturday. and somebody can walk in with a pistol and do something just like this. how do you secure that? >> sure. it's a good question. >> authorities say they have to be right 100% of the time. the terrorists only have to be right once. the president today reacted to donald trump's speech in saying it was dark and foreboding and said that the stats were wrong on federal crime, you know, being down. but then had to turn around and say -- answer questions about this munich attack and kind of the fighting terrorism abroad. there is this feeling, no matter what you say about it, that it's a more dangerous world. >> look, president obama's eight years are almost up, and the verdict will soon be in on his presidency.

that may evolve over time. but one of those verdicts will surely be whatever his success is, that he was just not up to the threat that metastasized on his watch, which was islamic terrorism, radical islamic jihadist terrorism. >> here's the push back they will give. he's killed more terrorists than any other president. >> right. but even the rand corporation has done a study showing on president obama's watch, the sheer number of radical islamist groups grew by over 58%. and brit is right that in the public imagination, the mass shootings here at home, the attacks on police, the terrorist attacks across europe and elsewhere, they all conflate into a sense of deep insecurity. one aspect of the munich attack that brit did not mention is the citizenship of this attacker, part of which was iranian. so i think to the extent that there's a political fallout from this, it will tend again to validate donald trump's argument that we have a problem with islamic immigration and with

islamic terror that president obama has been unwilling to name, and that will redound to the deficit of hillary clinton, i believe. >> it will be interesting to see how much hillary clinton and tim kaine talk about this in hall next week. some final thoughts when we come back. ♪ you can help prevent blindness in undernourished children across the globe by getting your vitamins at walgreens. walgreens. at the corner of happy and healthy. right now with card, select centrum vitamins are buy one, get one half off.

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finally, an update on that breaking news story out of munich. again, ten dead, one of them the he's from iran. he had citizenship in iran and germany, dual citizenship. we're told that munich is getting back to business as usual as we speak. and we're here in philadelphia. we have you covered all next week for the democratic national convention, fair and balanced. we'll be here starting sunday with a special report, sunday at 6:00 p.m. and then a special 9:00 p.m. that night as well. teeing it all up.

that is it for us tonight. i'm bret baier. bill o'reilly will be back on monday. don't worry. and please remember the spin stops here because -- doesn't he say we're looking out for you? >> definitely looking out for you. >> definitely looking out for you. two big stories breaking tonight. starting with hillary clinton announcing her running mate. senator tim kaine of virginia. we'll have more on that in just a minute. but first police are giving us new details right now on a terror attack that has left people reeling as a gunman randomly opens fire on innocent people who simply went to the mall. welcome to "the kelly file," everyone. i'm megyn kelly. a news conference just wrapped up in munich, germany, where a terrorist opened fire earlier tonight, leaving behind a trail of death that started at a mcdonald's and extended into a mall, bringing the city to a standstill. police say nine people are dead, many more injured. for hours today, folks sheltered