(vo) you can pass down a subaru forester. (dad) she's all yours. (vo) but you get to keep the memories. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. >> back in an hour. "outnumbered" starts now. harris: we begin with a fox news alert. not the way democrats wanted to begin their big week in philadelphia. a scandal broke wide open late yesterday. we got word dnc chair, debbie wasserman schultz lost her job and will exit stage left at the end of the convention. this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. with me today, here in philly at the democratic national convention, sandra smith, host of "kennedy" on fox business, kennedy herself, democratic strategist, julie roginsky. today's #oneluckyguy. no rest for our friend, coanchor

of "america's newsroom," bill hemmer. he says he is outnumbered. can we do this? all right. >> so much for boring conventions, huh? harris: i know. >> so much for scripted programs that go exactly like they spell it out day by day. far from it. two weeks in a row. harris: i don't think scandal was on top of the list of the program. on our badges, debbie wasserman schultz, all your ideas you need to get into the venue, her name is on them. >> that's right. harris: interesting. start with a stunning development now as democrats gather here in philly, dnc chair debbie wasserman schultz announced she will step down amid fallout over leaked emails showing dnc officials looking at ways to hurt bernie sanders during the primaries including a plan to publicly question his religious beliefs. even her home state delegation had a negative reaction, watch. >> i also had the privilege of speaking to hillary clinton. she thanked me for my service.

we had a wonderful conversation. [shouting] she asked me i committed to her i would serve as surrogate throughout this campaign so we can make sure that she is able to help build on the progress that we've been able to make. harris: that was just this morning. hillary clinton was asked about it on "60 minutes." >> i didn't know anything about it and i haven't read any of those but i am adamantly opposed to anyone bringing religion into our political process. i mean the constitution says no religious test. so that is just absolutely wrong and unacceptable. harris: and this. clinton's campaign chair pinning the blame for the leaked emails on the russians. >> what's disturbing to us is that we, experts are telling us that russian state actors broke into the dnc, stole these

emails, and other experts are now saying that russians are releasing these emails for the purpose of actually helping donald trump. i don't think it is coincidental that these emails were released on the each of our convention here. harris: sources tell fox news the leak appears to be tied to a hacking operation with links to the russian government but as you might imagine donald trump is not staying quiet. for his part the gop nominee hit social media with series of tweets, saying the democrats are quote, in total meltdown. hillary was involved in the email scandal because she is the only one with judgment so bad that such a thing could have happened, end quote. bill hemmer, i tell you this gets more complicated when you point a finger at hackers because i'm going to guess the dnc servers were more protected than the one in her basement. >> fbi investigation apparently announced an hour ago. this will have some legs to it. let's see where it goes. at one point they blamed the russians. earlier today there was suggestion trump team may have

had something to do with it. who knows what it is. in the big macro sense we'll see how satisfied or not these delegates and superdelegates are when the gavel drops 4:00 today. we'll get a better sense tomorrow when the roll call vote happens. you remember what happened in cleveland last week. i think what debbie wasserman schultz faced this morning on behalf of her florida delegation is just a small taste of what's to come. what does hillary clinton do on thursday night, to keep those bernie sanders supporters -- harris: do you think it will go that far into this week? she had an opportunity last night on "60 minutes" to do damage control. she didn't take it. she punted. >> my sense, if you look at the pew study from two weeks ago. harris: sure. >> 90% of the bernie sanders supporters say they will vote for hillary clinton s that true, a. b, that remains 10% outstanding.

10% i still believe is 50/50 nation going back to 2000 and tallahassee redown in florida. 10% can swing an election. harris: julie, i want to ask you about this, reverend jackson i interviewed him. he told me a painful distraction. none of that had happened with the florida delegation. how do you categorize it? is this inside baseball, do people lump into what is problem with government. >> i will expand on it. we'll see what bernie sanders does tonight. if person bierne gives speech we were expecting 48 hours ago, 72 hours ago we need to defeat donald trump. only way to do that is elect hillary clinton. she wasn't my first choice. i was my first choice. because i'm not there, she is. we have to rally behind her, if he does that i think will be in good shape. if he pull as ted cruz, i don't expect he will, ted if he pull s

ted cruz this convention will go off the rails. harris: let's watch. >> i think i told you a long time ago that, that the dnc was not running a fair operation. that they were supporting secretary clinton. so what i suggested to be true six months ago turns out in fact to be true. i'm not shocked but i am disappointed. and that is the way it is. harris: kennedy? kennedy: bernie sanders needs to grow a spine and address this tonight. his supporters are so far from unified and if 90% of the them are voting for hillary clinton that is assuming 90% of the them vote. this is the last thing that her campaign needs is a bunch of bernie sanders supporters frustrated, looking elsewhere or just being so apathetic they actually stay away. that sort of absenteeism that could do even more damage to her

campaign. he has to address it. he despises debbie wasserman schultz. harris: one thing we know, donna brazil, vice-chair of dnc. she has taken over in the interim. she apologized to bernie sanders. i imagine all those people who gave him money are waiting for apology too. sandra: donald trump using this as opportunity to continue to attack her judgment despite the dnc turmoil. bernie sanders will headline the opening night of the convention with a prime-time speech clinton campaign officials hope can unite the party. many sanders backers remain divided over hillary. some could make a final stand on the convention floor to show their support for the vermont senator. and trump campaign manager paul manifort, many others could flock to the gop nominee. >> point donald trump has been saying rigged political system needs to be changed and bernie sanders is suffer being that flight. we think supporters of bernie

sanders who are not idealogical but voting for sanders because they were against wall street influence in politics, and hillary clinton is the wall street candidate, they were against the rigged political system, we think those supporters will take a look at us now. sandra: meantime we want to show you what was happening outside of city hall right here in philadelphia. these are live pictures that you're looking at now. but just about an hour ago hundreds of protesters chanting this. >> hell no, dnc, we won't vote for hillary! sandra: the chanting? i thought it was this morning? so they are chanting, hell no, dnc, we will not vote for hillary. bill hemmer, you just already sort of talked about this but paul manifort saying those bernie sanders supporters, they're going to start to look at us. >> 24 hours ago sanders wanted

wasserman-schultz's ahead. he said that on abc's show with george stephanopoulos. he got that a couple hours later. the protesters were almost a no-show in cleveland, ohio. the issues here in philly among the democratic party are much more aligned with some of the anarchists we have seen. i believe the geography of the east coast has to do with it. cleveland is harder to get to frankly. i was here in 2000 when the republicans were here in philadelphia. every afternoon at 4:00 those protesters would block exit and on-ramps for highways around the convention site. they would take chain-links and tie their arms together and they put pvc piping around the chains. that took police and security officials hours to clear the roads. listen, right now they're just getting going. watch where these folks are. sandra: the chanting you were just watching, they were coming

from city hall down to broad street where we are right here, the main artery from the city to the the convention center. harris. harris: i might mention, not to put too fine a point on this because the deputy city chair, or deputy city manager said bernie sanders didn't get a permit at that field where he wanted to go at 40,000 people, because they don't do non-recreational events. the way that is being read politically, can they keep bernie contained. he has been trying to get the permit for quite some time. like bill said, he didn't get everything he want. >> he didn't get the vp selection. tim kaine was not his choice. >> he wanted elizabeth warren. >> somebody in line with him. i'm listening to paul manifort, i'm old enough to last election, back in 2008, when you had all, excuse me all the mccain people we'll put sarah palin on ticket, all these women offended hillary clinton didn't get nomination. they will suddenly go to john mccain. it never happened. if i were paul manifort i would be a lot more concerned about

unifying his party in light of what happened in cleveland. kennedy: goes to show you, identity politics not necessarily the biggest lure. what trump team is doing over and over again, ham everying the point, the system is rigged, anti-trade they have in common with bernie sanders. they're not attacking him. they are saying he is a man of principle. his supporters should be really upset. they're doing that instead of offensive, here is woman, ladies will vote for her. sandra: bottom line it was seen as a republican fantasy that those bernie sanders would vote for donald trump. are you seeing change there, bill? >> sean spicer, communications director for rnc, deputy chair for rnc was with martha and me an hour ago on "america's newsroom." he is saying hey, 10 or 15% it makes a big deal. i think he is right about that but i don't know what that march begin is frankly. no one really knows -- margin. he threw high number as 40% i think that is exaggeration.

if you can move the meter with 10% you could swing this in november. kennedy: jill stein and gary johnson are being polling higher now. sandra: did i mention it is hot in philly? like 100 degrees. fans are blowing. kennedy: we miss the cleveland wind, don't we? sandra: yes, we do. this is the place to be for all day and all evening coverage as democratic convention kicks off today at 4:00 p.m. eastern. "outnumbered" wants to be your fnc digital hangout. find us across platforms at foxnews.com/outnumbered. we'll be on facebook live and all the fox news apps. hang out with us on the web at 4:00 p.m. eastern. you never know, harris might be wandering down on the convention floor with a microphone. anything can happen. harris: wild child. sandra: donald trump is leading hillary clinton in the race for the white house. what to make of trump's postconvention bounce and whether clinton should be worried?

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♪ kennedy: welcome back, this is "outnumbered" live from the dnc in philadelphia, the city of brotherly and sisterly love. hillary clinton pushing back on the honest and trustworthiness issues plaguing her campaign. on "60 minutes" clinton suggested she faces more scrutiny than other politicians and appearing to pin the blame, get this, on republicans. watch. >> i often feel like there is the hillary standard and then there is the standard for everybody else. >> what's the hillary standard? >> well it is, you know a lot, as you saw at the republican convention, unfounded, inaccurate, mean-spirited attacks with no basis in truth, reality, which take on a life of their own and for whatever reasons, and i don't want to try to analyze the reason. kennedy: oh, reality.

when lynette ton was asked if she felt threatened by chants of lock her up at gop's convention last week, she said this. >> i felt very sad, scott. i don't know what their convention was about other than criticizing me. i seem to be the only unifying theme that they had. there was no positive agenda. it was very dark, divisive campaign and the people who are speaking were painting a picture of our country that i did not recognize. negative, scapegoating, fear, bigotry, smears, i just was so, i was saddened by it. kennedy: you talking about the rnc or leaked emails? let's talk about the hillary standard a little bit because as many of us were watching fbi director james comey what could be possible charges against hillary clinton and deciding not to indict the former secretary of state seemed as though there was certainly a different

hillary standard. >> i think the irony here is overflowing. it is so thick. i mean emails, and fbi and another investigation. i mean you could not draw this stuff up. one thing i was looking at during the commercial break the speakers tonight. bernie sanders will precede michelle obama, julie. i'm assuming michelle obama speaks in the prime time 10:00 slot. >> i assume so. >> does bernie sanders appear in the 10:00 slot also? or do they slide him in prior before all the broadcast networks join the party? >> are they burying bernie. >> i can't see why they would bury bernie. to us, prime time is 8:00 p.m. on. just for general people. if they put him on 8:00 p.m. on he will be in good shape. >> you don't know what he is trying to negotiate. >> i have no idea. i don't know what he is going to say. i don't know that they know what he is going to say. that makes it so fascinating. why we should watch. i don't think so for the reasons he said earlier. he can't pull a ted cruz.

he endorsed her already. ted cruz hasn't. second he said his number one mission is to defeat donald trump. he can't be a ted cruz, that would be complete opposite. kennedy: what does he have to do? his delegates are furious. >> he has to say to them, listen, i know you're not happy, i know you're dissatisfied. i wish i were your nominee. nobody wishes it more than i do. donald trump is not the answer, if you don't vote for her you're voting for donald trump. he will probably prosecute the case against donald trump to paraphrase chris christie better than anybody else can for that reason. he has to tell his people to get on board or unless you will elect donald trump. kennedy: "60 minutes" buried part of the interview online, instead of showing most important news of the day, when hillary clinton and tim kaine were asked about the dne email. harris: first the acknowledgement she didn't know anything about these emails. then the punt when asked, had you known, do you consider it to

be a negative thing? how would you categorize it? what is interesting in all of this is, are we to be in the pocket where we believe that nobody would have briefed hillary clinton on yet another email scandal? is that the zone we're supposed to live in? because i don't really know anybody who does. wherever these people are they think, you know, kind of in a fantasy way living in that zone, they need to let us know because i would like to interview one of them. there is that but other part is how much can she really definitely say now our emails with the nation's top secret were laid to waste? how can she do that? how is server in somebody's basement, her private server more protected than dnc? kennedy: she is burned by her email scandal she is no longer reading emails. sandra: would be to own up and acknowledge responsibility that people have legitimate questions about her credibility and

honesty. not just republicans. >> bottom line in all of this, they're trying to keep bernie sanders happy. kennedy: they need to. we'll see. i don't know if there is enough valium and xanax to go around. i'm no pharmacist though. hillary clinton working on strategy that appeals to women without alienating men. it comes amid concern that her campaign is making male voters feeling left out. is this a good strategy for the clinton camp, or, could it backfire wildly? analysis of hillary's vp choice question, how much of an asset he may be or not at all. who just might stir trouble up for him at the convention starts tonight. that's next. ♪ a heart attack doesn't care if you run everyday,

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sandra: as the democratic national convention gets underway today, hillary clinton campaign is reportedly looking to strike a balance between celebrating women and not making men feel left out. her team already made a powerful play for women voters, focusing on hoist tore call nature of clinton becoming first woman nominee after major party and possibly the first woman president. just last month her campaign releasing this video after she clinched nomination. >> so let's learn from the wisdom of every mother and father who teaches their daughters there is no limit on how big she can dream and how much she can achieve. >> i'm a little feminist growing up to help all women with equal rights. i hope you can be the first woman president of the whole united states. sandra: but now "the new york times" pointing out, quote, some advisors believe that overemphasizing mrs. clinton's historic achievement as the first woman

to accept a major party's nomination could backfire, driving away men who favor her repu donald j. trump and alienating younger women who are less motivated by gender. the result is what democrats describe as cautious mix. attaching women's movement to issues like the economy and health care. all right, the campaign, bill, says that they know that she is not polling as well with men as her opponent donald trump. >> i don't know if i agree with that editorial. based on the rally she is holding and our correspondents who cover them there is a big gender gap because women truly support her campaign. i don't know what happens in november 3 1/2 months from now. when she comes out in brooklyn, nights she clinches nomination, talks about seneca false and upstate new york, that will be significant theme and part of her speech thursday night and why avoid it? it's, i believe as a woman,

that's where, that's where she is most comfortable and perhaps that is where she needs to be. sandra: some is recent polling, harris, backs up there is a problem there. "new york times/cbs news poll" show her trailing trump among men by 13 points. that is sizable margin. >> yeah. so we keep talking about these areas where trump could scoop up. we're talking about the bernie sanders groups. we're talking about independence. they all seem to be somewhere and 10 and 15%. you add that up you can understand after spending so much money in battleground states they are not just any longer a statistical tie across the board. now he jumped ahead with his convention bounce. so i mean it is obvious that she needs to shore herself up. i take you back to earlier in the primary season when she had the women event, so few women showed up that the men were offered to be guests at the event. she will need everybody. i understand what you say based on her perspective as a woman, that may be her comfort zone. sometimes you win outside of her

comfort zone. she may have to jump outside the circle to she how she was. >> four years ago, downplayed women thing tremendously got criticized. didn't want to run as first woman. didn't want to talk anything like that. she has polls that gin up. democrats traditionally lost men. democrats, regardless who on the ballot have not done well with men. by picking to tim kaine appealing to the white male vote she needs more. harris: we'll scoot right to that. >> the reason i say that i personally don't think the reason to vote for her because she is woman. that is a silly reason to voight for anyone. there is generation of women older than i am take it very seriously. kennedy: telling only daughters to dream big. you have a son. you have a son. don't you teach them to dream big. >> i want to you dream big. harris: talk about the vice-presidential pick. hillary clinton's pick for vice president could be in for a bumpy ride at the convention here in philly this week. bernie sanders supporters say

they are very serious in discussions about forcing a challenge on the convention floor to tim kaine's nomination. why? some say he is too conservative. others say, eww he is too boring. sandra: wake up, harris. harris: something he actually said himself just a month ago. but this weekend he insisted he has a lot to add to the democratic ticket. okay, bill, first he says, i'm kind of boring myself. >> i think kaine was a good pick. i think he was obvious choice. a lot of people thought sherrod brown in ohio. didn't go that way. kaine was ready in 2008. he was passed over. i think with the pence pick, i think it levels out. harris: oh, really? >> that is my feeling. pence on one side, kaine on the other. some of these delegations, harris, though, they went with bernie sanders during the primary and caucus season. so when i'm on the floor at 4:00 today, i'm watching montana, north dakota, south dakota, idaho, vermont,

west virginia, oregon, alaska. harris: put your head on swivel. >> minnesota, wisconsin. harris: 22 states that sanders won. >> what are they going to do? that is the drama next 48 hours. harris: can we for a minute about money? if you gave your money to person bierne. now you found out through a set of emails that the dnc was pulling for one side over the other, i mean i'm reading places where people want their money back. that is not reality, but aren't you ticked? sandra: fed into that narrative that this is corrupt and system is broken. same people that were in favor of bernie sanders. so it fed right into their beliefs and their narratives. going back to kaine, he is a winner, bill hemmer. he never has lot an election. >> 8-0, is that right? harris: is that all it takeses? >> there is reason why democratic party came up with superdelegates. kennedy: oppose tremendously but you're right. >> so someone like bernie sanders --

harris: they didn't technically stopped him. he form ad movement. kennedy: look how long he held on to the campaign. part of it he had to wait to see if she was indicted and by default the nominee of the party. that was entirely possible until a few weeks ago. back to tim kaine. i think he is a safe pick. i agree. he and pence have a lot in common. i think they're essentially the same kind of politician but makes more sense for non-establishment, non-politician to pick someone who balances him out. more protests at dnc because a lot of those protesters are so upset because the establishment, this party has not worked for them. harris: we're looking at them right now. the noon hour, then again at 4:00 p.m., seem to be tune-in points for protesters. >> let me explain the pick of tim kaine, why it made sense for clinton perspective for polls. you could have pick ad cory booker, young, charismatic, african-american. you could have pick ad latino like perez. you could have picked a liberal

like elizabeth warren. that is not who they need to bring in to vote for her. missing link is white men. that is what tim kaine. i know this. take my word. they're not worried so much about consolidating african-american vote. they have it. they're not worried about the latino vote or liberal vote. harris: interesting what you're saying. it isn't just white men, but white men in special category. we did it with a special on insiders. people in the south feel left out by the democratic party. most are white males who were saying this. kennedy: do you think any will get passionate about tim kaine? who is jumping out of their skin. harris: he didn't think so. he called himself boring. kennedy: elizabeth warren may not have been wisest pick she generates so much passion. i think you get so much more from her. sandra: more than hillary clinton? kennedy: she outshines hillary clinton on a stage with the electorate. harris: finish your thought. sandra: that is my thought.

i would be curious your response? >> my response, this is all data driven. this is not about passion or not passion. they are betting -- harris: that is very sad. emotional election though. even though people want change. >> you guys this is how it works. they do polling. they figure out they're going to be able to bring bernie people in. they are confident they will bring him in. elizabeth warren is powerful surrogate for her. bernie will be a powerful surrogate. what they're missing is white male vote. harris: i question when hemmer does, when you see delegations today going for bernie, maybe bernie can capitulate but i don't know you can speak for everybody. >> we'll be there. julie, thank you for your candor by the way. >> always, bill hemmer. harris: beating hillary clinton in a new head-to-head matchup. that is what sandra and i were talking about, that bounce from the convention. is this just a postconvention bump on more voters getting on the trump train? tv version wraps up, we make it

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♪ sandra: bump for trump. a brand new poll showing gop nominee enjoying a postconvention bounce. a new head-to-head matchup finds donald trump beating hillary clinton 48-45%. that is a six-point bump for the billionaire businessman in just over a week. among independents, trump's lead is even wider. beating clinton 58-37%. we want to point out however, it is still early and the best measure of how both conventions affect the race could come a bit later when voters have had a chance and time to compare and contrast the two events. meanwhile trump not laying low this week, traveling to several pivotal swing states next few days and planning to give a policy speech to veterans. but he is not, bill hemmer,

leaving out those great poll numbers. just a few hours ago tweeting out, great poll numbers are coming out all over. is it too early to tell? >> yes it is. point of fact, yes. i think the trump team should be pleased with what they're seeing right now but any good pollster worth their salt would say give it two weeks. let's see how both conventions balance each other. sandra: tell me, historically, julie, how this works? when do we really know voters had a chance to look at both conventions to decide if they're changing their minds or sticking with original -- >> i would say exactly what bill said. i would caution we have olympics coming up in august, nobody will be focused in this except people like us. everybody is focused on rio. come labor day we'll see where the polls are trending. people should look at polls on state by state basis, not so much national polls. this will come down as always does to handful of states. let's see what they're doing in ohio, florida. sandra: fair point. last week historically you would see the opponent on the

democratic side laying low while donald trump did his thing but hillary clinton was out there. now donald trump this week, he is out there. >> they can't resist, can they? kennedy: going to north carolina, going to virginia. teaming up with mike pence. i'm actually surprised they're not in philadelphia. i was wondering what the campaign might do to makes a big of a wave as possible and get as much attention. i'm a little surprised they're not here. republicans always get just under 5% bounce historically from their convention. democrats tend to do better, for whatever reason. they have show whicher conventions. they did in 2012. remains to be seen what they do this week. if they can rise above the distractions that have presented themselves just in the last 24 hours. sandra: at least for now, harris, trump is getting postconvention bump. harris: i will pick your brain a little bit. i will defer my time to bill hemmer. >> see how that goes. harris: right. you can buy me lunch. free-for-all of us here though at the venue. is this a situation kind of

falls within what is typical in terms of a bounce, or is this more or less? >> i think it falls in line with it. i think you know, the smart folks keep half eye on trump every day. you don't know what he is going to do, right? virginia, north carolina today. florida on tuesday. he is colling to the state of pennsylvania on wednesday. harris: right. >> this has not been done before. harris: we saw it in the primaries, right? he was always a step ahead. why is he in that state? that hasn't happened yet. >> to your point usually the other side lies low. hillary clinton was in cincinnati when republicans in cleveland. harris: talking to the naacp. >> this is whole dealio. harris: did you say dealio? sandra: that message of hope and change eight years ago to more of the same now? democrats focusing on establishment leaders for the speaker lineup at the convention

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harris: more "outnumbered" in a moment. jon scott talking about what is coming up next hour on "happening now." >> hillary clinton going on offensive against donald trump. praising her newly minted vice-presidential pick tim kaine. no talking about the presidential polls or resignation of dnc share debbie wasserman schultz. mr. trump is making hay of all the democrat drama putting out a tweet storm, writing quote, crooked hillary clinton knew everything that her servant was doing at the dnc. they got caught, that's all. they laughed at bernie. mr. trump holding an event later this afternoon in virginia. plus have you seen this amazing viral video, shot from a car as storms tore through the chicago metro area. more of these crazy pictures and what mother nature has in store for today. all ahead, "happening now."

hairiest. harris: can never get enough. thank you. >> appreciate it, thanks. kennedy: wearing his beautiful ucla bruins tie. i love it. dnc speaker lineup is stacked with party elders and political insiders from senator bernie sanders, cory booker and elizabeth warren, first lady michelle obama. this as donald trump's campaign manager says democrats are representing more of the same in a year when voters want change. take a look. >> that is pot calling the kettle black i guess you could say. look the establishment is represented by hillary clinton and she chose her partner in senator kaine. senator kaine is the ultimately status quo. he never had a job in the private sector. he has been mayor, governor, senator. he has no idea how to create jobs nor does hillary clinton and two of them together are the ultimate of the establishment in

the year of change. kennedy: that is absolutely right. when you throw in names like nancy pelosi not exactly going to ilectry fidis grunt he willed anti-establishment voters at home. >> to your point ten minutes ago, the democrats know how to do this. >> lady gaga on thursday. >> republicans are learning this you can't say what 2012 was like in tampa for the rnc. like the 2008. the last republican message with unified message, 2004, new york city. because it was in madison square garden and entire convention was about keeping america safe. and they stuck to that message. trump, to his credit, and his team they tried to do that has week in cleveland but to marginal degrees of success, shall we say in the end. kennedy: what was honestly, what was the unifying message for trump other than hillary clinton is antichrist and everyone will

die -- >> julie, i remember to this day the message from charlotte in democrats 2012. it was war on women. >> right. >> usama bin laden's dead and gm's alive. i can sit here and recite that today because that is all i heard for four-days. point is, democrats are good at it. kennedy: we'll see the same kind of speakers tonight we saw back then. see the same people trotted out on stage. i don't think bill clinton has the fire he did in 2012. >> bill clinton is the most, one of the two most popular politicians in the country to this day. he still is. kennedy: gave electrifying speech in 2012. >> i agree with you he is not the big dog is not where he used to be. we'll see if he can hunt. people like cory booker. he is not old guard. he electrifies young voters. i have been around to him people flock to him like a rock star. elizabeth warren elicktry -- electrifies the base. bernie sanders is old but not

the old guard. we'll see what happens. sandra: can we talk for a minute what is going on? associated press is reporting that supporters of bernie sanders have gathered on new jersey side, remember how tight we are on the east coast, new jersey side of ben franklin bridge, sweltering heat, 101 degrees today, for a march into philadelphia for opening of democratic convention. it will get interesting. you talked about proximity of here everybody on the east coast. you can drive, walk, take all the public transportation in. bernie may be ready to throw in the towel but i ask the question, can he speak for everybody who he is speaking to? >> we've seen a little bit of protesters today, this is just, they're just scratching skin right now. kennedy: formerly known as democratic base. >> i covered pope last september. because it is secret service event the security perimeter was extraordinary. harris: this is pretty big. >> i would say ridiculous. they were making families of six walk miles every day back in september.

a lot of criticism locally. we'll see whether or not -- sandra: in these temperatures. a lot of people -- >> in four years -- kennedy: hard time gathering some of these protests. it has been so hot. near impossible to gather 3,000 people. >> how was philly? it was hot. harris: it was hot. >> i was here in 20:00. don't remember it being that dad-- 2000. kennedy: more "outnumbered" coming up in just a moment. stay here.

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♪ harris: wow, okay. welcome back! we decided to get up and move closer to the nfl fans because the it feels so good. >> how was philly? it was hot. harris: you know what? this is a great place to be. we're witnessing history be made. it is pretty awesome to be in the city. philadelphians have been so sweet and kind. we came from jersey and drove over the line and fun to be here. it is warm but warm all up and down the east coast. kennedy: city like cleveland, state like ohio. a bit of hospitality to philadelphia you know, where people are -- harris: brotherly love ken i'm saying what grade -- great providence to go from one city or another.

>> we'll have to go back over the ben franklin bridge today where they are having massive protests. sandra: join us later at 4:00. >> how is that going if how is the hangout? sandra: so much fun. we'll be able to rome -- harris: have you seen sandra without any rules? just like ungated? sandra: fortunately i have and i love it. it's a good time. you never know who we'll talk to. >> are you inside of the arena. harris: we're in the skybox. >> say hello. oh, you're in the skybox. i will be on floor. harris: sandra may be on the floor. we'll mix it up i. >> i just do this. kennedy: got choreography. >> connell with the football games with headset on. that is first down. you are looking live. sandra: having way too much fun. harris: tell them where to find us. facebook live.

sandra: facebook live and "outnumbered" overtime page as well. kennedy: open up your phone. harris: we'll do it big. hemmer, thanks for being here. >> great to be with you. good luck this week. harris: have a great day. now "happening now."