breaking tonight, history in the making here at the democratic national convention where, for the first time ever, a former president will speak on behalf of his wife who made history of her own tonight, becoming the first female presidential nominee of a major party. welcome to "the kelly file," everyone. i'm megyn kelly. a mere 471 days ago, hillary clinton announced she was seeking her party's nomination for president. today she reached that goal but it did not come without controversy. prior to roll call mixed reaction rang out when congresswoman tulsi gabbard of hawaii said this about bernie sanders. listen. >> i am truly honored to

nominate bernie sanders for president of the united states. [ cheers and applause ] >> and many wondered about the enormous enthusiasm in this room for that. not long after, a symbolic and emotional show of party unity played out when senator sanders himself did the honors of announcing hillary clinton as the democratic party's nominee. >> madam chair, i move that the convention suspend the procedural rules. i move that all votes, all votes cast by delegates be reflected in the official record. and i move that hillary clinton be selected as the nominee of the democratic party for president of the united states. [ cheers and applause ]

>> that was not enough to appease some bernie or bust holdouts who exited the convention site demanding a walkout. >> walk out! >> walk out! >> now we anticipate another emotional moment. this one from the former president, bill clinton. hillary clinton's husband and the keynote speaker tonight. but first we go to shannon bream who is down on the convention floor with the action there. >> hey, megan there is very much an open wound between the sanders and clinton supporters. right behind me on this stage, in a short time the former president clinton is going to speak tonight. but take a look over here at california. last night that was packed. a number of those delegates that

were supporting bernie sanders walked out. they don't want to be a part of tonight, and they're still hurting about what they feel like is a snub by the clinton campaign. that is going to be part of bill clinton's -- really his job here tonight. he's going to talk personally about the former secretary of state. he's going to try to humanize her, try to mend some of these wounds that are still very much open tonight. listen you know he's a master communicator. there is so much buzz here about people who are so excited to hear from him, but he knows he's got a heavy lift in front of him to both personalize hillary clinton, try to make amends with all the fractured groups here and also sell her skims andlls. we also talked about today what kind of first spouse he would be. there's never been a male spouse of a commander-in-chief and what a unique place to have him in the white house with her. now, some here on the left say they're actually a little worried about it if she's elected. they feel like he is much more moderate than she is. they worry if he's got too much of a seat at the table on these policy discussions, she won't go

full steam ahead with her progressive agenda. we're standing by for his speech back to you. >> later this evening, the case for hillary clinton's presidency will be made by the person who knows her best. bill clinton will soon address his tenth democratic convention. this is a picture from his first time in 1980. only this time he faces a unique set of challenges which includes separating his wife's accomplishments from his own and improving her appeal among voters which currently stands at an all-time low. brit hume is our fox news senior political analyst. he's with me now. were you at that convention with the young -- >> in 1980, i was at that convention in new york city when jimmy carter was renominated, and it was kind of a balled up convention didn't go very well and he made a very long speech. a very long speech. >> bill clinton did. >> he did indeed. and at the time people were saying this guy has got a future. he's coming. he's a comer. and he made his speech and it went on and on and on. and then there was a -- when he

said in conclusion the place broke out in applause. >> he had to run around doing damage control the next day. he addresses this crowd in a different posture this evening. still beloved by any democrats and yet kind of unknown to the millennials. so what is the challenge for him tonight? >> well a couple of things. first of all, this is going to be a personal address about her personally. i think he will probably gloss over the unusual nature of their marriage which has been beset with certain kinds of trouble for a long time. >> not necessarily just between the two of them at times. >> well that's right. of course in his day -- and i don't know about now, but he was known as a serial philanderer, and she put up with all that for years. i don't think we're going to hear much about that phase of life tonight. i also don't think we're going to hear much about the very different nature of the political platform on which bill clinton ran and governed as president, which is different from the one she is standing on tonight as the democratic nominee.

now, if you're talking about someone who can gloss over things and make it work this guy is magic. i mean remember his speech for barack obama four years ago. people felt that it was a real turning point. >> he personally vouched for barack obama, saying i am telling you no one could have gotten it done in four years with -- >> he can make it work. he is the most talented politician i think i've ever covered, and i'm very eager to see him in action tonight. >> so the question is still? is he still the most talented? >> we'll see. he's gotten older and his health hasn't been great. we'll see whether he's lost his fastball. when it comes to a moment like this it's never been a good idea to bet against bill clinton. >> how is he going to do it though brit? because bill clinton governed as a centrist democrat. many of the policies he put in place have been repudiated by these democrats today, including his wife. >> exactly right. >> how does he bridge that gap? >> that's why i'm so eager to see it. i don't know how he's going to do it but i'm saying if anybody can do it the big dog as i used

to call him can do it. >> how does he unify the party? does he have any appeal do you think, to the bernie people who walked out even though she beat him -- i understand the dnc e-mail leak and debbie wasserman schultz didn't want bernie. that's been proven right? but she beat him by 3.7 million votes? >> she did. she beat him without the super delegates, who were nearly all for her. she beat him fair and square. they don't believe that. >> they've got to get over it. >> yeah they -- well i don't know if they got to get over it. they can do whatever they want. >> that's what sarah silverman said. >> i saw that and i'm not sure if i were a devoted sanders follower and believed in the things he believed in that i'd be prepared to get over anything. i just might not vote this fall. my guess is when all is said and done and they get, you know a couple more months of donald trump in action that they will eventually say you got to do it. >> what do you make of the breaking news tonight that she may reverse her position on tpp, this free trade deal? >> she's pretty well reversed it already. >> she was in favor it. then she got pushed by sanders,

saying i'm not in favor of it. terry mcauliffe comes back today and says i expect her to flip back which won't come as good news to the sanders supporters. >> well the clintons in one way or another have always been testament to the value of flexibility in politics. >> flexibility, you say? >> i'm trying to put it as nicely as i can, megyn. you know bill clinton was a free trader. and in her time she has been. she did reverse herself or seemed to. and she might fight some firgg leaf way to say we've added some conditions and now we're going to go for it. if she has any sense, she will because tpp overall is good for the economy. if you look at it carefully, it's good for the economy. that doesn't mean that certain workers won't be hurt. that's always the case with the march of trade. certain workers are hurt and they don't have as much of a voice -- i mean they have more of a voice, i should say, those are likely to be hurt than those who might be affected by

new jobs that haven't been created yet. >> if she goes for it she'll be in line with mike pence but not in line with the republicans. >> i don't think we're going to hear her announcing her changing her position tonight. >> i think you're right. >> we'll leave that to the terry mcall lives of the world. >> brit will be here when clinton speaks and we'll have his reaction after. joining me now, bill burton. great to see you, bill. thanks for being here. so what do you think? bill clinton has an opportunity tonight, does he not? >> like you said he knows her better than anybody else in the world. >> we think. >> we think. but he's going to come out here and tell the story of her life. hillary clinton in a lot of ways is super famous but nobody really knows details about her besides line items on her resume. i think he has an opportunity to talk about who she is as a wife as a mom, as somebody who has been fighting for communities and kids her entire life. >> he's a character witness, not

so much a former president tonight? >> i think that's probably right. i think it's about hillary clinton and the future, so i don't think he's going to come out and extol too much about his own presidency. i think it's going to be about her and her vision and who she is as a human being. >> have you been surprised by how split the democrats have remains coming into this? >> i am surprised. i thought there would be a lot more unity than we've seen. in 1992 when bill clinton was nominated, the jerry brown delegates were pretty angry as well and they spent the first couple of days making a lot of noise. it actually was similar to this. a bunch walked out, and frankly the ones who walked out were the ones making the noise in the convention hall. i think you'll -- >> bad move to walk out. really can't be heard. >> i mean the guys with the peter pan hats who were walking out -- >> i think it's robin hood. >> is it robin hood? >> i'm pretty sure it was robin hood although i'll have to check my fairy tales. what do you make of the latest polls coming out showing her losing to trump in a couple of

polls, showing her unfavorables now at a record high? is this week going to get her past that? >> well that's what you hope. you know when you take a poll what you do is generally talk about the positives of the one person the positives of the other person the negatives, and the negatives. this poll was taken in the middle of ma process. so the republicans got to make their case for trump. even though it was a mess of a convention and though it was a net neutral -- >> he got a bump. >> the people who looked at the speech who wanted to hear what they wanted to hear heard it. this week you're getting the opposite. you're getting hillary clinton making her case on the economy, on children and education and all those different things. >> and even that out. >> yeah. >> where does that leave us at the end of this week going into early august as this general election campaign really fires up in earnest? do you worry about the polls, like the cnn poll yesterday that showed him up now over hillary clinton and even his real clear politics average now shows him up over hillary? >> i think she is going to win, but i think she also might not. there is a pass to donald trump

winning and if democrats don't cole cocoa aless around her -- >> the real fight is going to be over white working class women, and i think that as people engage more in this race, as we get into this new phase where people are paying attention, i think hillary clinton has a shot of getting a majority of those voters and that's going to be the problem for donald trump. his appeal is so limited in that area. >> president obama, your former boss speaks tomorrow night. obviously he's got an inherent gift because he's the leader of the party. he's the leader of the country. he has an air of authority. we all respect our president. how much good can he do her tomorrow night? >> i think he can do her a lot of good. >> especially because we know the obamas and the clintons they don't really necessarily love each other that much. >> i wouldn't go that far. i think the president has a deep respect for hillary clinton, and they've had a very close relationship. >> you didn't have to go that far. i did. it wasn't bill president obama. >> the thing president obama has to do is follow the first lady,

and i think that's something he has in mind. he's so competitive like at everything. and i'm sure that he's thinking he wants to do as much as he possibly can for her. the truth is with his approval ratings going up across the board, he has an opportunity to appeal to a broad set of voters. it's not just certain parts of the obama coalition. it's the broad set of the american electorate. so i think he's going to come out and make the case for, you know if we elect donald trump to be the president of the united states we're going to stop a lot of the progress that he was able to make with the american people on a whole host of issues. and i think that's going to be a lot of what he talks about. >> remind me never to follow the first lady anywhere she ever speaks anywhere. >> i don't think you'll have to though. >> i won't because now i'll make sure it doesn't happen. bill great to see you. as we wait to hear from former president bill clinton, we are also watching to see how the democrats address a horrifying terror attack in france where soldiers from the islamic state beheaded a catholic priest inside his church. it's not soldiers. it's just terrorists from the islamic state. plus moments ago, michael brown's mother a ferguson

missouri took center stage endorsing hillary clinton for her stance on police reform. critics say the move by the dnc to include this particular mother in the presentation tonight set the wrong tone. and kareem abdul-jabbar is here on that right after this break. >> hillary is one mother who can ensure our movement will succeed. i want to thank you for standing with us and supporting us, and we'd like to leave with you what god has given us. strength, love, and peace.

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breaking tonight, moments ago women known as the mothers of movement received a standing ovation here at the dnc,

followed by chants of "black lives matter" as they took center stage to endorse hillary clinton. these women all lost a child in violent incidents. but the dnc is taking heat for its decision to feature the mother of michael brown since the department of justice determined that brown was the aggressor when officer darren wilson shot and killed him in ferguson missouri. the crowd here did not seem to have an issue with that. watch the welcome. [ crowd chanting ] >> joining me now, kareem abdul-jabbar author of the new book "writings on the wall." thank you for being here. so let's just talk about the mother of michael brown, and

then we'll get to what actually happened here on the stage because she's been the most controversial choice and she's the reason some of the republicans are objecting, because her son was killed but was killed after adressing toward the police officer. your thoughts. >> i think that that is really nitpicking. all of those women had really a tremendous amount of grief and tragedy in their lives, losing their children for no good reason. even michael brown was unarmed. so you know to say that you know he might have been aggressive it might be true. i wasn't there. but i think the real issue is why are police officers oftentimes so aggressive with black people people that they don't know or don't understand and they make conclusions and decide that these people are dangerous and they kill justification? >> let me just clarify the matter of michael brown because there's a lot of confusion about

this. he was -- his case helped lead to the birth of black lives matter and the hands up don't shoot mantra which turned out to be a lie according to the doj. this is from the doj's report. they said officer wilson and other witnesses stated that michael brown reached into the suv through the open driver's window of the cop car and that he punched and grabbed the police officer. this is corroborated -- this is from the doj. this is corroborated by bruising on the cop's jaw and the presence of michael brown's dna on the collar, shirt, and pants. the doj made it very clear that michael brown was the aggressor against the police officer who was just doing his job and that he turned around for some inexplicable reason and came after that cop even though he didn't have a gun and the cop did, and michael brown knew that. that case is very dicey. it doesn't speak to all the black lives matters incidents. it's just the most controversial and it's the one that the police officers have said it's an insult to us to have the mother

of an aggressor toward a cop included in this group of mothers who are the mothers of fallen men whose cases are much more clear. >> i don't understand what you're asking me to explain. >> whether she should have been included. >> that wasn't up to me. i understand what you're talking about. my grandfather and father both were police officers. i understand that we have to conduct ourselves in a way so that all our police officers come home at night. they are the glue that holds our society together. >> mm-hmm. >> but exactly why they included michael brown's mother i couldn't give you the reasons for that. but i know that there are far too many examples over 1 -- in 2015, over 100 black americans were killed by police officers. these were unarmed black americans. >> do you think that white society generally has no real

understanding of what it is like to be a black man in today's america? >> i think that white society devalues and dismisses the value of black lives. that's what the black lives matter is all about. they seem to think that blacks are prone to violence and wish to harm them and as soon as anything gets contentious between them and a black person they pull out their gun and kill that black person and that eliminates any problem that they might have. >> you're talking about white law enforcement? >> i'm talking about white law enforcement. i'm talking about wanna be law enforcement people like zimmerman who killed trayvon martin for no good reason. trayvon martin was going from the convenience store to where his father is. why is he dead? >> why are race relations so bad right now in the country versus you know eight, 12, 16 years ago? >> i think race relations are

bad right now because things are changing. people of color are becoming more of a majority in our country. it used to be that the majority of people in this country were white european. that's starting to change now, and i think that white people are starting to feel that maybe their sense of power and privilege is being challenged. >> some. i assume you don't mean to paint everybody with that brush? >> no. no. some white people might feel that and they might feel threatened by the fact that -- >> i realize this is more than a 30-second answer but how do we start to get past it? >> i think we start to get past this by communicating with each other, by having police officers and police agencies make a sincere effort to communicate with the people that they are supposed to protect and serve. >> mm-hmm. >> and i think that the people in these communities that are having problems with the people

that are policing them they need to realize that if they show some respect and some restraint, police officers can meet them halfway, and we can go about the business of uniting our country and having a nation where all lives are respected and appreciated and no one has to feel that they're being persecuted. black americans really feel they're targeted and after all this insane cowardly murder of police officers i could see where they would feel assaulted and violated and we have to get past that. >> amen. thank you for being here. >> my pleasure. nice talking to you. joining us now with more kevin jackson, he's a fox news contributor and a conservative radio host. kevin, what do you make of that? kareem's last point, pretty thoughtful that you know some of these young men in these communities where we've seen these incidents happen need to be more respectful of the ut the police need to

think more about community policing and respect of, in particular the young black men who they pull over in so many of these incidents that we've seen go wrong. >> well you know, here's what i think about it. i think if you made all the cops who dealt with blacks in america black, you'd have the same problems. and then what would they say? they couldn't blame racism at that point. we haven't looked at the stats of how many of these kids that are killed are killed by black cops. most of the time in policing they tend to put people of the same ethnicity in the same ethnic corridor. and a lot of things kareem talked about until the last point, quite frankly, were ridiculous. look cops are not the problem here. to have that lady come speak when sherher son was a criminal who tried to kill a police officer is a travesty. it is a slap in the face of law enforcement and there's no other way to talk about this. and the optics this on the heels of two brutal police assassinations in dallas and

baton rouge and going on all around the country is quite frankly -- it would be frightening and it is frightening thinking that hillary clinton would do this. they didn't have a single person a police officer's wife or husband who was killed in the line of duty as some sort of a balance to this. >> they had police officers but not the families of fallen police officers. >> i'm talking about the family members of copped whos who were killed. they didn't have any blacks who were killed by other blacks to come tell those stories. in 2016, 2,000 black people were killed and a majority of them were killed by other blacks. did they tell any of those tragic stories? when i was in cleveland that weekend before there was a 2-year-old kid that got shot in a drive-by. did they bring that family up to talk to them? look the police officers are under tons of scrutiny and the criminals in this country are under very little scrutiny. and to pander -- what that democrat convention what's happening right now, megyn, is they are pandering to blacks.

this is not helping the situation one bit. it's making it more dangerous for blacks. >> do you think this costs the democrats politically? take it out of sort of the race relations discussion. do you think politically this costs the democrats the vote in the police officer community, that donald trump will win saying i am the law and order candidate. i'm with you. >> absolutely. the many police officers who were in cleveland -- by the way, no blacks got killed by them and i was one of them and there were many others. but, you know they are upset beyond belief because they know they have a target on their back. but i also believe it's costing her votes in the black community because our neighborhoods need policing and it has nothing to do with the fact that blacks are bad people. it has to do with the fact that unfortunately because of liberal policies we are prone to more criminality just because of the way we've been cordoned into these neighborhoods and don't have opportunities for jobs and many of the things that the democrats are going to pander more to. if they gave us real

opportunity, you'd see these kids wanting to go to work and you'd see a change in this. but what hillary clinton and the democrats are doing quite honestly is scandalous and shameful. >> great to see you. always a pleasure. >> you as well. it could be the biggest speech this week other than hillary clinton as her husband, the former president bill clinton, prepares to make what is being billed as an intensely personal speech. intensely personal remarks. what is that going to sound like? in just a short time. plus with france dealing with yet another horrifying terror attack today, we will show you how democrats are addressing the issue of terror here in philadelphia when we come back. don't go away.

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breaking tonight, sanders supporters mixing it up with police right here in philadelphia outside of the wells fargo center. we are told these are folks who were blocked from coming in tonight, and they are clearly unhappy out here in cleveland -- sorry -- in philadelphia. let's just take a look for one second. let's watch. mostly peaceful marching in the streets. you can see it getting a little tense. while much of the world's attention is here on the democratic national convention one of america's oldest allies has again found itself at the

center of an unthinkable terrorism attack. the target this time a church. it happened in normandy france earlier today. witnesses say two isis followers entered the house of worship during mass. this is disturbing we warn you. forced an elderly priest to his knees and slit his throat in what is believed to be the terror group's first attack against a western church. trace gallagher picks up the story from there. trace. >> reporter: megyn, french authorities now acknowledge that both killers in the attack on the catholic church were known terror suspects who should have been under surveillance. one of them was a 19-year-old who tried twice to get into syria and join isis. he was being monitored by an electronic ankle bracelet but under the terms of his parole was allowed to remove the bracelet from 8:30 in the morning until 12:30 in the afternoon. the two men entered the back of the church, and while the 84-year-old priest was celebrating mass the killers turned on a video camera forced

him to kneel, and then killed him. a nun who escaped said quoting, they recorded themselves. they did a sort of sermon around the all tar in air abake. it's a horror. the attackers then used parishioners and nuns as human shields to block police from entering. both killers eventually ran outside shouting allahu akhbar and were shot and killed by police. the vatican said the pope was shocked, especially because it happened in a house of worship. former french president sarkozy, a conservative expected to run in next year's presidential election criticized the socialist government for being soft on terrorism and allowing terror suspects too much freedom. current president francois hollande says this. watch. >> translator: i say it clearly. curbing our freedoms and departing from our constitutional rules will not be effective in the fight against terrorism and will weaken the precious cohesion of our country. >> reporter: and we should note

that the church that was attacked apparently was on a hit list found last year in the home of an isis follower. megyn. >> trace, thank you. and the fight against isis was just mentioned for the very first time in prime time here at the democratic national convention. joining me now, steve hayes, senior writer for the weekly standard and robber zimmerman, a dnc committmember. super delegate too. great to see you. >> great to be with you. >> it's so disturbing. i mean it's like another week another attack and they -- they just get more horrific just when you think they can't shock you anymore with their terror. >> that's right. >> they do. steve, let me start with you. what do you make of the fact that we only heard isis mentioned for the first time at 9:22 tonight. >> i think it's a huge problem, but i think it's ep lem attic of the way democrats have handled terror the president has handled terror over the past seven and a half years. it's been an afterthought and that's what it was here last night. we all remember back this convention four years ago. you had the president giving

speeches al qaeda is decimated. al qaeda is on the run. speeches that the administration and senior counterterrorism officials gave before that basically declaring the war on terror over. well the war on terror is not over. it's not close to over and we're seeing now the growth of groups like al qaeda, like sasisis the affiliate groups. it's a major problem, and the fact that it didn't come up on the first night of democratic national convention is ex- extraordinary. >> what about that robert? >> first let me point out that my heart and soul just ache for the people of france and for the victims and their families. it is a tragedy that should shock the world and mobilize all of us to action. let's also realize these types of issues should be above partisan politics. but since we're at a political convention if it comes up let's point out the last three speakers who spoke. joe sweeney of the nypd laura manning, a survivor of 9/11, and congressman joe crowley all addressed the issue of hillary clinton's record of fighting terrorism. and while the republicans want to try to play a political game out of this issue, let's

remember hillary clinton has a record of being part of the decision team to go after osama bin laden, of course putting the strictest sanctions in the history of iran against them. let's remember donald trump has become a recruiting tool for isis. he's advocated agendas that congressman mckaul, a republican says would be a recruiting tool for isis. >> even though these two candidates are very different, when it comes to how they'll battle terror the lines are unusual, you know. he's talking about, you know bombing the oil fields you know so that he can decimate isis' money source but then sort of reversed that later. and she's more hawkish traditionally but seems to be pursuing more of the obama agenda that's been you know controversial at least back here at home. >> right. well it's hard to figure out exactly where donald trump is on a lot of these issues. he's been for ground troops to fight isis. he's been against ground troops to fight isis. he uses expletives to describe what he's going to do to isis

and i think that gives people a sense that he's strong and would take the fight to them but he hasn't really detailed how. hillary clinton, it's just hard to buy the argument that she's been tough on terror even though she has a reputation of being a hawk. if you read her book she goes into great detail about her role in trying to separate the taliban and afghanistan on the one hand from al qaeda on the other hand suggesting that taliban was gettable that they were more moderate. they're not moderate. there's a reason we're now, seven and a half years later, having to take the fight to the taliban because they were hand in glove with al qaeda. >> i want to ask you, robert, two questions. retired marine general john allen endorsed hillary clinton which they thought was significant. led the troops in iraq and afghanistan among many other accomplishments. and yet the democrats come here to philadelphia. they've got the world watching them and they come under fire because they had no flags on the stage. they had no flags in the arena,

and only once they got criticized on why did they bring in flags here. and i realize this sounds silly to many people but i can tell you that to many other people they're wondering is there a lack of patriotism a lack of the understanding of love of country and the threat -- >> first of all, it's worth pointing out the entire stage was done in a red, white, and blue motif. but the bigger point is it shows you debase the dialogue is when you're attacking the patriotism of people you don't agree with. hillary clinton whether you agree with her or not has served nobly and heroically and takeing some -- taken some hits. her patriotism has never been in doubt. the rush limbaughs of the world are going to make that an issue. >> i got to ask you, elizabeth banks, well known actress, if

you haven't seen pitch perfect, you should. >> right. >> is speaking now. very well known woman. we haven't even touched on the fact that history was made today. and you as an avid hillary clinton supporter from the beginning deserve a moment on that. >> thank you for that moment because i think tonight -- and this has been an important part of my life during her first lady tenure when she was my senator in new york and of course the last presidential run and now. what's important to remember is yes, we made history in the democratic party. but more importantly, we made our country stronger today because when we break down one barrier in our party, we break down one barrier, we empower everyone to step forward. that's what makes this such a special night, and the whole country should take pride in seeing this move forward. whether they support hillary clinton or not, we should all be proud that a major national political party has recognized the importance of nominating this extraordinary woman for president. >> great to see you. greet to see you too, steve. thanks for being here. again, we are live in philadelphia for the democratic national convention awaiting a much anticipated speech.

what's he going to say? how far is he going to go with the intimate discussions? maybe that was the wrong choice of words. president bill clinton will be speaking tonight. he's been doing this for years, right? 40 years he's been speaking at these conventions. but it's been a long time since so much has been riding on the clinton legacy has it is tonight. president bill clinton at the dnc right here, coming up.

well that was bernie sanders supporters chanting "lock her up." it's a phrase that touched off a fierce media backlash last week after gop voters kicked off the slogan last week at the cleveland convention.

[ crowd chanting ] my next guest, a republican is deeply discouraged by that chant, calling it cheap, adding it will not help defeat mrs. clinton this fall. joining me now, senator jeff flake. why do you have a problem with it because both parties are doing it although different factions within the democratic party. >> it just doesn't seem we're very serious if we're chanting that. there's plenty about hillary clinton's record that we can go to. but when you start with "lock her up" then it just discounts your other arguments. i don't think that's our best foot forward. >> this is your first interview since you had, for lack of a better term a dust-up with donald trump. he went to capitol hill. he met with some lawmakers, including yourself and you made the news by saying to him, hi i'm the other senator from arizona, the one who didn't get captured and i want to talk to

you about statements like that which is a pretty bold opening. how did that meeting go between the two of you? >> well i did mention that -- he mentioned that i've been critical of some of his statements and i said yes, i have particularly statements like that said about john mccain, a true war hero. and to say you can't respect somebody that was captured that's just beyond the pale. and to never have apologized for that i think that's insulting to a lot of veterans and a lot of p.o.w.s. then to make statements to a judge born in indiana, calling him a mexican in a derogatory way, that doesn't do anything to reach out to people we need to reach out to. and so i have been critical and he didn't appreciate that. >> and now it sounds like trump is going to come after you because he's got a super pac who he says he's going to -- he's hoping to go after senator cruz john kasich and some other person he says who is actually

such a small person he hates to give him publicity. they believe it may be you. you're in a difficult position because your party's nominee does not like you and it may be mutual from the sound of it. yet you're no hillary clinton fan at all. >> not at all. i'm not part of the never trump movement. i want to be able to support our nominee. i just can't as long as he is making statements about hispanics and other groups the way he is because, one, i don't think that that's right. and, two, that's no way to win a general election. so i just don't think he can do that by insulting so many groups along the way. and there is a good case that can and should be made against hillary clinton both on domestic and foreign policy. but as long as we're doing things like chanting "lock her up," it doesn't allow us to get to those serious policy differences that we have with her. that's my problem. >> so you haven't made up your

mind? >> no. i hope to be able to support donald trump. i'm not there yet. i hope that he changes not just some of his positions. he seems to have been backing off the muslim ban. that's a good thing. and i should say during the convention when people were shouting "lock her up" during his speech he didn't encourage that. that's encouraging, i think. >> he said, no, let's vote. >> exactly. that's good. >> senator, it was a clever line. thank you for being here and giving us the lowdown on your position. great to see you, senator flake. >> thank you. joining us now with more trump support and attorney david wolf. even if you like trump, you have to admit that's a good opening line by the u.s. senator. i'm the other one, right? okay. putting that to the side there is still some receipt sense. there are still some republicans that can't quite come to grips

with the fact that trump has won. >> well megyn, one of the exhilarating things about supporting mr. trump is that the bonds of political correctness are shattered. i mean these people are engaged in this chant, lock her up because they're frustrated with the fact that over and over and over again, hillary clinton is documented to have committed offenses offenses. then we get the department of justice saying the statute we could prosecute under is too old, or we haven't been given a referral to prosecute her under a perjury charge. the clinton foundation i don't think we're going to look into that. ordinary people see that. they see our government is saying she's too big to be prosecuted so frustration boils up saying lock her up. to mr. trump's credit, you and i were there thursday when he said you know how about instead we just beat her in november? that was an amazing response. >> what do you make of the promise by wikileaks now to release even more documents, which some in the democratic party could believe could be very damaging in particular on

the issue of the clinton foundation? >> well in the clinton foundation could be huge megyn. i know that they have more. there's no question about that. it's a question of timing and don't be surprised if the timing takes place just before mrs. clinton's acceptance speech on thursday. what they seem to have is sort of evidence of a pay for play scandal where people contributed to the foundation and they got favors from the government. megyn, if that happens, this whole thing is going to implode on the democrats and hillary clinton, and i wouldn't be surprised at all. this wikileak thing -- by the way, megyn, people seem to be now shifting from the outrage of the russians hacking into her computer to the outrage of what has been going on in the democrat national committee. bernie sanders, of course was the victim of a conspiracy to destroy him. >> yeah. >> i don't know why he relented but he did. >> the comments made there about going after his faith and even this week there was a democrat out of atlanta, a congressman, who suggested the jewish settlers are like termites.

i mean obviously anti-semitic remarks. he was forced to apologize and take it back. >> unbelievable. >> we saw a lot of bad moments for the republicans last week and a lot of great ones. this week it's been much the same for the dems. david, great to see you. >> pleasure megyn. thank you. so in 2012, his speech brought down the house. president obama even labeling him the explainer in chief. tonight will former president bill clinton deliver once again? his remarks are moments away. don't go away. it's not a banner that goes on a wall. it's not something you do now and then. or when it's convenient. it's using state-of-the-art simulators to better prepare for any situation. it's giving offshore teams onshore support. and it's empowering anyone to stop a job if something doesn't seem right. at bp, safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better. ♪ if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis

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breaking tonight, we are just moments away from perhaps the most important speech of the clinton campaign to date. as mrs. clinton's husband, you may know him as our former president, bill clinton, takes to the stage to make the case that there should be another president clinton in the white house. america's newsroom co-anchor martha mccalum is live with the new york delegation. >> hello there, megyn. it's getting to that poirnlt in the evening. it starts to get a little bit more crunched down here. they're moving out people from the aisles. they're about to lock the room down and that means only one thing. that bill clinton, the former president of the united states, is about to get the moment that he has waited eight years for. to stand on that stage and support his wife as the presidential nominee for the democratic party. and as you just pointed out moments ago back in 2012, it became incumbent upon bill clinton to change the momentum of the moment in that race. if you look back you remember that barack obama was in a pretty tight situation against mitt romney and hillary clinton

finds herself in a very tight race at this point as well. so the question is can he do the same thing that he did then? remember he stood on that stage. he said nobody could have fixed this economy in four years, not even me. give this guy four more years was the message. so now he's going to look at hillary clinton and all these supporters out here and try to present her in a way that gives clear contrast and a clear choice against donald trump. and he's a master at that according to a lot of the folks i spoke to in the new york delegation. they expect him to hit it out of the park. >> joining us now with more mo elleithee and guy benson. he's a town hall.com political editor and a fox news contributor. what do you think of that mo? you got to feel sorry for him to an extent because the expectations are so high. can he do it again? >> look this is kind of his home right?

this is you know the very first dnc speech bill clinton ever game bombed. never again. >> that's the one we have the picture of him looking so young with the long hair. >> but you know in 2012, that speech did turn the tide of the race a little bit. every speech he's given here this is his crowd. these are his people. what he's got to do tonight, i think, is very simple. he just has to help people understand who hillary clinton is. you know the campaign has this famous saying. she's the most famous person in america that nobody really knows. >> who's going to rehabilitate her on her honesty numbers, guy? >> no one. they can't. so you have to get past that. i think her husband is in a unique position first of all as a former president and then the husband to introduce his wife or reintroduce her for the 87,000th time his wife to the american people. if anyone can do this and thread the needle and ignore the stuff and sort of get away with it it's bill clinton. they call him the great explainer, and i think you're so

right. in 2012, i remember sitting right around in this part of the arena in charlotte. he came out and made a more coherent and relatable case for president obama's re-election than i had heard to date. >> being able to read a room and understand what is needed. that's part of the gift to understand what void needs to be filled right here. and what would you say the goal would be? i mean help us get to know her how? he's going to tell us stories about loving puppies or what? >> i think it's everything right? if the question of this campaign is who's looking out for me right, who's going to level the playing field and look out for me that's what bill clinton is known for. his entire presidency he was known as the guy that could relate to middle america. he can speak to this group with a whole lot of credibility. if he says look let me tell you about the hillary i know let me tell you about the hillary who has woken up every day of her life and fought for people let me tell you about

her humble beginning and how she then put that to use helping people. >> okay. but i have to ask how much if any, does it hang over that speech that we do know as brit referred to it as their weird marriage. there's obviously been some infidelity issues there, some of have been publicized and some whispered about. does that impugn his ability to stand up there and make the character case for her? >> i'm not sure because i feel like all of that baggage is sort of baked into the cake with the clintons at this point. everyone knows that that happened. it's there. sometimes we talk about it. usually we don't. but we're sort of moved past that point, and it hasn't been a focal point of this lxz. >> even if he's not a faithful husband, he's clearly her best friend. he knows her better than -- >> we're not electing the best couple ever. >> you asked can he do anything to rehabilitate her trustworthy numbers? i don't think he can. can he help on the favorability problem? i think if anyone in the world can do it it's bill.

>> even more so than chelsea? >> i think she'll help just like i think ivanka trump helped her father. but i think bill clinton, he's such a raw talent. >> yeah. guys great to see you. >> thank you. >> thank you for being here. joining me now, bill hemmer. >> hey, megyn. good evening. just talked to bill dayily. he said bill will do well. he's done this wunsz or twice before. pretty funny line about a former president who will address his tenth convention in his career. he will be up after a six-minute video is run about him. megyn, inside the arena, i have noticed bernie sanders supporters. they have left. i don't know if in the dozens or hundreds but they have left this arena, and it is noticeable by the number of empty seats here. however, you do get the sense that the destruction, the nuisance, the revolution

whatever you call it that goes around bernie sanders is now slowly moving behind them and all the attention is moving toward hillary clinton. elijah cummings a democratic congressman from maryland he was just walking by here a moment ago. he said what bernie sanders was tonight was class. and now bernie sanders is nowhere to be seen. we saw him come in. we saw him leave. and we're still waiting for him to pop up again. but it was a moment in that vermont delegation that's now been whittled down to just a handful of people up there. bernie sanders was here and he did apparently what he wanted to do as far as he wanted to go. bill clinton coming up soon megyn. back to you. >> bill hemmer down on the floor in the middle of it all. what a moment for president clinton. this could be the most important speech in recent history for him. and this one's going to have to be a little tougher because it's always tougher when you're speaking on behalf of someone you love, right? these politicians always say they can take the hits but when someone they love is in the

firing line it feels very different. so that will be his challenge tonight, to make the case for his wife without sounding too defensive, to sell her attributes to an american population some of whom know her very well others of whom do not. we pick it up there with bret baier in a moment. history being made tonight inside the wells fargo center. hillary clinton is now officially the first woman nominated for president by a major party. and in a sign of unity, it was senator bernie sanders who made it official. good evening, everyone. i'm bret baier. and you're here again. >> i'm megyn kelly, and we are coming to you live from the second night of the democratic national convention right here in philadelphia pennsylvania. we are now waiting for the biggest speech of the night. former president bill clinton set to address the crowd here in philadelphia in just a few moments. >> we are joined by our panel, brit hume chris wallace, and ron williams.