jon: jenna: a lot of stories to get to today and among the more questions about party unity and donald trump after the republican nominee refused to endorse his party heavyweights in their primary fight. a good day so far, i'm jenna lee. jon: jon scott. rants pre-bus is quote, apoplectic over decision not to back the speaker of the house, carol ryan and the 2008 republican presidential nominee john mccain, both of whom face primary challenges ahead of the november election. mccain and ryan have criticized trump in the past, most recently over the kahn family controversy but that's notthe only trouble. with new reports of strike inside the trunk campaign itself . double trunk reacting todayby twitter of course, tweeting there is great unity in my campaign , perhaps greater than ever before.

i want to thank everyone for your tremendous support. the crooked h. joining us now to talk about it, byron york, correspondent at the washington examiner and a fox news contributor. matt visor is washington bureau chief at the boston globe, thank you to both of you. paul ryan is not only a previous vice presidential nominee for the party, he is the highest ranking republican elected official in the land. why would the republican nominee not want to issue an endorsement? >> under any reasonable scenario he would but this is absolutely pure payback. remember three months ago when donald trump became the presumptive republican nominee, paul ryan made a big deal out of not endorsing him , pointedly not endorsing him, going on tv and saying i'm not ready yet, i'm not there yet so now paul ryan is in a primary of his own, apparently not in trouble in that primary but still in a primary. trump has asked you endorse paul ryan and trump uses

ryan's exactwords. i'm not quite there yet . this is absolutely pure political payback from donald trump to paul ryan. question is, he is doing this in the middle of the general election. what does it do to his prospects with independent voters? jon: here's exactly what trump said to the washington post. he said i like paul but these are horrible times for our country. we need very strong leadership. we need very, very strong leadership and i'm not quite there yet. i'm not quite there yet. how do you take it? >> what byron is saying, this is payback to paul ryan for earlier comments. it's also that trump, he's not capable of letting bygones bebygones. moving past some of the past slights from both john mccain and paul ryan . that's what i think is driving reince priebus crazy.

he wants party unity. the republican convention was all about trying to get everybody on the same page, let's move forward and this takes the party back a little bit. it sort of reminds everybody about the deep divisions that still exist within the party and prevent everybody from your unifying. even if the impact may not be immediate, there's no indication that john mccain or paul ryan are endangering their primary. the impact could come in a general election for john mccain or kelly ayotte who trump is also going after. jon: let's read what he said about john mccain. he told the washington post quote, i've never been there with john mccain because i've always felt he should have done a better job for the back. he has not done a good job for the bats and i've always felt he should have done a better job for the bats so i've always had a difficult time with john for that reason because our vets are not being treated properly. that's what he told the washington post.

again, why pick a fight with a former republican presidential nominee? byron?>> he's going back and forth with john mccain. he pointedly attacked mccain last year, the whole pow thing but in a larger sense here trump is signaling beyond payback, trump is signaling to his supporters that he's not part of this republican establishment that they don't like. a lot of people in the republican base don't like paul and paul ryan, they don't like john mccain but the issue is we are in a general election. trump is trying or should be trying to appeal to a broader electorate and you ask yourself, does this do anything to help appeal to a broader electorate? i think the answer is no p1 that's the question matt reed are the wheels coming off the republican bus through some of these pronouncements? >> potentially. number two, trump for several days was consumed in a controversy over his comments of the kahn family.

this is changed the subject. you can question whether or not it it's a good subject to be changing to but i think for trump, you need to get off of that story and now we run a different story that is back to a familiar story line of party discord and sort of trying to figure out how to go forward in a general election context as he needs to. arizona is an important state, new hampshire is an important state and trump is sowing thediscord between important politicians in both of those states . jon: he's not winning friends obviously among the party establishment, meg whitman, former senatorial candidate from california is saying he will vote for hillary clinton and urging her supporters do the same, you have an upstate new york congressman who says he is not going to vote for donald trump, he's supporting hillary clinton. it does not seem this is exactly and endearing him to the partystructure but byron, maybe that's what he wants . >> obviously also with reince

priebus was unhappy with this not just for party unity's sake but reince priebus is close to paul ryan, they are two wisconsin guys but i think right now none of us knows what's going to happen in the future but with the signs we have right now i don't think there's any reason to speculate as some people are doing thattrump might just drop out of the race or no longer be the candidate . jon: is that realistic? >> i think that a number of trump's opponents have fantasized at various times in the race going back to last summer and right before the iowa caucuses and now that trump might just walk away from the whole thing that it doesn't mean anything to hold him and i don't think there's anything in what we've seen, any evidence in the past year and a half suggest that trump would walk away from this. jon: but when he started talking about the fact that he thinks the election is rigged, it starts sounding

like a guy who doesn't think he's going to win and is looking for an exit strategy . >> i think he did something similar in the lead up to the iowa caucuses which he did not win but continued on. i don't think donald trump would take things this far if he was just going to drop out. we have a convention, we've done a lot in getting this far and certainly it's unconventional and a lot of this is still sort of the establishment and people who have opposed his candidacy from the beginning still grappling with who he is and what he represents and how his strategy seems so baffling to so many people who follow politics and spend their career following politics so it's more that indication in any sense that trump would suddenly walk away at this point. it goes against a lot of what we do know about donald trump which is up for a fight and he likes winning, you know? so i think the raid stuff is setting up for if he does lose, it allows him some

excuse as to why he lost. jon: nbc reporting that newt gingrich and some of his other advisers are going to try to get him to reset his campaign but we are scheduled to talk with his campaign manager later this hour, paul manafort area we will ask him some of these questions. byron york, thank you both . >> thank you. jenna: we moved to another big story, a shopping report from the wall street journal raising questions about the payment america made to it ran. the us ships $400 million in cash to the iranian government back in january on the day of a prisoner exchange that reached for americans detained in tehran. spokesman john kirby was on america's newsroom earlier today with the emma obama administration's response. >> we don't pay ransom. we don't take ransom. it is our policy. this was not ransom.and he

suggested it had anything to do with grandsonis utterly false. these were two separate processes run by two separate teams . theywere done simultaneously so i understand the coincidental nature here of the timing . jenna: let's bring in carol lee, spokesman for the wall street journal, she's the one that spoke the story. carol, you published it about 14 hours ago. any new information you have for our viewers about what you've learned so far on this cash payment? >> what we know is that there was a cash payment that coincided with this prisoner release as you mentioned and with what's new about that is the administration had announced that they had this deal with the ran in january at the same time as the prisoner release but they haven't said how they paid it and when and clearly the iranians wanted some sort of deliverable to show for the release of those for americans and so the us flew in an unmarked cargo plane of euros and swiss francs, $400 million which was the initial

installment of the $1.7 billion settlement and the rest of the $1.3 billion as been paid out since then. it seems like were getting an argument from the administration, the administration said we told everybody that we had the settlements but the style of it, which you mentioned, happening in the dead of night in an unmarked plane is something we didn't know about. why does it matter that this payment was made in cash? it matters because the us obviously, because of us sanctions the us did not pay it ran in dollars and ran also has difficulty in accessing the international financial system because of sanctions so the whole thing happened at the time there was criticism that this was ransom, that the us was paying ransom and the fact that they flew in cash feeds that argument and there's an renewed criticism that the us did in fact pay ransom and the administration says this

was not ransom. this was a completely separate track but this timing suggests otherwise be seven based on your reporting what do you make of the timing? >> i think he ran clearly wanted to show something for the fact that they were releasing these for americans and the us has had to pay cash to iran and their are other forms throughout the negotiations on the nuclear agreement and iran said they wanted cash for this particular payment. i believe a down payment of sorts of 400 million so the us agreed to do that. jenna: let's talk about that cash again for a moment.did we violate our own sanctions by making this payment or did we circumnavigate our own sanctions to make it happen? >> it was a way of going around the sections because you obviously couldn't pay in us dollars so you had to kind of gather, they went to different banks to basically amass what amounted to that $4 million in cash in different currencies.

jenna: paint a picture for us because you describe in the wall street journal, i want our viewers understand they didn't read the piece yet area what this $400 million in cash look like? how do you even get that to another country? >> it looks like it's a lot of money and you basically, they stacked it in these wooden pallets and put it on a swift cargo plane and flew it into a ran. it takes, to collect that amount of money obviously takes a tremendous amount of effort area there was one official who said it's not like you can go to the atm and take out that amount of money, you have to go to different banks and gather it . jenna: this must've taken some planning to do and gives that question about timing as well. a quick final question, who received the money and since we know iran is a state sponsor of terrorism do we know what they are doing with american taxpayer dollars? >> it's hard to know what they are doing with the taxpayer dollars, obviously

it was staged by the iranians. they are describing it as ransom, obviously that and not the us line on that and so you could, the us has said they are using it to basically boost their economy and things like that but it's hard to really know. jenna: we will watch for future reporting on this topic, i'm sure there's a lot more to come. thank you for your time today and it's a big story and we will continue to talk about it. jonathan chandler is the vice president for research at the defense of democracy, he looks at terrorist spending and we will talk a lot about that later on this program, john west and mark c on a fiery crash landing as a bowling 777 schedule on the runway and burst into flames. how hundreds of passengers and crew members managed to make it out alive.plus, the bodies of two teenagers found behind the grocery store. now investigators trying to figure out what happened.

what they have learned so far. we want to hear from you. do you think the timing of that us cash sent to iran was coincidental? the administration says so. go to foxnews.com/happeningnow to get your thoughts into that conversation. >>

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plane are quite strange . >> extraordinary sequence of events and first of all, all 300 passengers got off live with the entire section of the cabin of fire so you are talking about a lot of singed heads as they are running for those escape slides. gear come down on the right side that collapsed or it didn't make any difference. as an emergency broadcaster was declaring an emergency due to smoke or fire, now you have an aircraft that landed. the gear was down on one side, skidded as the evacuation occurs, now you also have an explosion on the left side. explosions occur when you have a fuel air mixture. it's an extraordinary sequence of events and the very fact that that cabin staff did a tremendously great job getting 300 people off and reportedly no fatalities, no real injuries, probably some sprained ankles, things like that. jon: if that bearded collapse

on landing that would explain why the engine was torn off did you see the engine lying there separate from the aircraft on that footage we are watching just there. the engine gets torn off. of course you expect sparks and fuel flow that could ignite an explosion. >> very easily because of course the pylons have the fuel main source coming to the engine, if the engine is ripped off then you haven't stop the flow of fuel, you got a hot engine and you're going to have ignition and all that but basically the pilot faced with smoke or fire in that cabin, whatever happened in that aircraft was an extraordinary ability to land that aircraft with possibility of probably had smoke goggles on, some masks on, may have had to resort to a smoke hood, all of that is a prelude to what i would give no detrimental comments about him landing aircraft andsmashing that gear down enough to lose an engine . jon: any crash like that that all the passengers could walk away from as far as i'm concerned is a successful

landing. >> but it also shows the boeing 777 is a robust airplane. that's the one that had a crash landing in san francisco after the pilot came into low, tore off the rear tail assembly , flipped and spun the plane around in midair and that one still got just about everybody out. >> bowling, like grumman builds fighter aircraft, built a lot of aircraft but that is incredible also to the engineering of that particular aircraft that the wing did not cheer when that gear collapsed and the wing actually broke off and spilled even more fuel on but the extraordinary thing is that the 300 people with that entire copy of the cabin fire out, obviously moments before that explosion occurred which is extraordinary in itself. you would have flying parts on one of the videos that i saw in the explosion, there is a black object that goes

sailing through the sky, i'm not sure whether that's part of the wing or not. bring it up close enough to see it. jon: still too early to know what caused this but it's going to be a heck of an investigation. jp christiani, glad to have you here. jenna: your reaction to that bombshell report that the end obama administration shipped hundreds of millions of dollars in cash to iran as four americans were released. the administration's response and what this means for our national security going forward next . >> inflammatory substance. flonase controls 6. and six is greater than one. flonase changes everything. ♪

jenna: more now on the wall street journal report that the obama administration organized and airlift of $400 million in cash to iran which coincided with the release of four americans detained by that country. take a listen to the state department today. >> this wasn't a ransom and

we don't pay ransom. this is a separate process. i understand people want to draw connection but it's really not there. they are grasping at air, there'snothing there. it was not ransom. i understand well what you are saying about the influence that ransom can make . jenna: jocelyn chancellor, chairman of the treasury department. jonathan, you have insight on what it takes to make a payment like this so let's start there because you worked at the state department. they said no big deal, we talked about this, we told the public there was a settlement happening and more details are released about how we did it but it's no big deal. what strikes you about the way this payment was made to iran? >> good to see you again. i think that when you look at the way this was done it looks like what we used to call at the treasury department cash smuggling. this is essentially stacking dollars on a pallet and moving it in large quantities to elicit actors. you have to remember here that the ram is still a state sponsor of terrorism. the united states did this

secretly in an unmarked cargo plane using huge amounts of cash because they could not use the formal financial sector. this is the sort of thing that we use to sanction iran for back when we had iran sanctions. >>. jenna: you are saying it's not normal because a lot of this don't know what happens in the back rooms of the treasury department. you watch the movies, like thisstuff happens all the time what you are saying is notreally . >> know, if this was a legitimate actor, if we were dealing with any other country , not a state sponsor of terrorism, not a country we were so concerned about nuclear weapons and proliferation, all the things that we sanctioned them for, we would have been able to move this money through the formals and agile sector but because there is still a state ulcer of terrorism, because there still a risk to the formal financial sector we had to do it this way and that only underscores how elicit iran has been and continues to be.

jenna: we still have sanctions on iran regardless of everything we've done over the last year with them. >> we do and you just heard a statement from the state department, the state department stillconsiders iran to be a state sponsor of terrorism and a prolific one at that, sponsoring hezbollah, hamas, jihad , radical groups in iraq and syria and so the behavior has not stopped and of course it just looks horrible that we are providing cash to a regime that sponsors terrorism. jenna: what do you say to those that say iran is using this money, this american taxpayer money for infrastructure building, ways to repair their economy. is there any way to know that this is indeed what they are doing with the money? >> iran is one of the least transparent countries in the world so it will be difficult to prove this but the one thing we can point out is the islamic revolutionary guard corps which is also a sanctioned terrorist entity in the united states controls roughly 40 percent of iran's

economy so that means they are the ones who are going to be getting the construction contracts, building the bridges and schools if in fact that's what they are doing so the money will be trickling down to exactly the wrong people and that's been part of the flawed agreement that was signed last year p7 what about the argument that this money was owed to iran? that we needed to make this payment so the timing doesn't matter because we were going to make the payment anyway? >> there was undeniably a dispute dating back to pre-1979 revolution in iran where there was an armed purchase that was made in the united states owed that to these legitimate rulers of iran, not this regime. but look, the real problem is the timing. that this was done right as we were negotiating the release of those for americans that were being held hostage by iran, this certainly looks like ransom and i have to also add that

it is very frustrating i think for many americans who see that for example we are paying ransom to iran on these four individuals, we are doing prisoner swaps with the taliban for example with bo bergdahl and at the same time we are not trying to do the same thing with people who are being held hostage by the islamic state for example like stephen saw who was killed by the islamic state. we had a confused policy and one that should be frustrating to many americans . jenna: that's the next step we will take with this story about whether this can be applied and if it matters, it's official ransom quote unquote or whether it looks like ransom and the impact of that. great to have you back on the program, thank you. speeches. jon: brand-new polls show lead over donald trump, suggesting the postconvention bounce is real for the democratic nominee. will it translate? ♪

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jon: you evidence today that hillary clinton did receive a postconvention bounce. the latest real clear politics average shows clinton with a 4 and a half points advantage over donald trump, 46.5 percent to his 42 percent , that's a three point jump since last week. let's talk about it with

simon rosenberg, president and founder of the new democrat network and a former campaign advisor to bill clinton. christie sanderson a columnist for the washington examiner and a republican pollster. simon, everybody says this race is expected to be close. how are you feeling from the democratic point of view? >> medical good couple weeks for the democrats. democrats are happy with their ticket. we are up now four or five points in the polls and you also see that by the end of next week we will be up in every battleground state as well , if the trends continue so we go into the general election knowing it's going to be competitive race but we are doing good . jon: maybe bernie sanders supporters are entirely happy with the ticket but you still have time to win them over. what about it? can donald trump will often upset in some of these states we are talking about like pennsylvania and put enough electoral votes in his camp to win? >> if you look at the statewide polling that came out before, both of the conventions to try to start on at least an even playing field, you had a state like ohio where the four most recent polls had donald trump and hillary clinton exactly tied, a total tossup. then you have other places like north carolina which is a state republicans really need to hold and where donald trump had been down by a

small margin in the four polls leading up to the convention so while we are waiting to see exactly how this settles out, donald trump's path to slipping those 64 electoral votes, that magic number for him does like it look like it's going to be difficult. needs to hope this hillary clinton bounced coming out of her convention is not evenly distributed across states, that maybe she's running up numbers in a place like california, she's pulling back hurting supporters in blue states but maybe not winning over those swing voters in a state like ohio. that's got to be his hope at this point as he's looking to brace for this next wave of battleground polls. jon: simon, what about that? can hillary clinton hold on to this advantage she has coming out of her convention as you say, pretty well-received? >> i think so because the race was aboutfour or five points before the two

conventions so we went back to where things were. trump got a bounce, hillary got a bounce, we are back to where we were. the big worry for donald trump right now has to be that he's in the low 40s , that he's not consolidating the republican base area and he should be up at 45, 46 at this point. it's a sign that republicans are coming home. they just had a convention and what it shows is he still wasn't pulling his party together. there are still republicans who are not on board. it's very late for that to be the case and it's a big warning sign for him going forward. jon: christian, there are 16 or 17 other candidates who said donald trump could never garner enough support to become the republican nominee and low and behold, look what he did. can he gather some different disaffected democrats, pull off this upset that he's been talking about?>> this is certainly a strange election but if you look to the polls during the republican primary, the big flaw that folks made when they said donald trump can't win is they were discounting the polls and saying the polls are wrong, they can't turn out this way.in this case now if you assume the polls are right which is what people fail to do in the

primary and is why they missed trump surprised, if you assume the polls are right it does paint a bleaker picture for donald trump. when he goes out into these rallies, he's still doing a good job hold that already like donald trump, having a message that resonates with them, these things they are calling flows or things done wrong on the trail in the last week, most of his supporters will probably stick with him but he needs to. and do the sort of thing that will bring in swing voters. of those 17 candidates who ran for the nomination there's one thing that can basically agree on which is they don't think lori clinton should be president and when donald trump is on that message that the best place for him to be when it comes to these swing voters who don't really love either of these candidates. jon: simon as well know it's hard for a political party to hold on to the white house for three consecutive terms. it hasn't happened since 1988 when essentially george hw bush was elected to ronald reagan's third term. can the democrats: off this time?

the reason we will pull it off is things are getting better in the country and if you look at the economies, wages are going up in the united states, annual deficit is down, 20 million more people have health insurance, there's this sense that the recovery is going on, it's fragile but things are getting better and i think that is a sign for me that we can beat the incumbent party and can win. i also think while trump represents change, 60 percent of voters in a recent poll said the kind of change he wants to bring isn't the change we want so i think trump could have won this election if he had been a better candidate but i don't think he's in the process of winning this race with the way that he's running. jon: it's not over yet, we've still got was, 97 days ago, something like that. what about it? give us your assessment christian. can trump still pull this off? >> i think the more that you have democrats coming out and saying everything's getting

better, there are still a lot of americans that don't necessarily feel that way and while simon is right that doesn't necessarily mean that all of those voters who say things are on the wrong track want a dramatic pivot to someone like donald trump whose very different in many ways than the current path we are on but still i think there's a sense that look, washington doesn't understand the pain i'm feeling. democrats keep talking about how great everything is, why don't they see the struggle that i'm going through. i think that's the one thing that is a risk were democrats, i think the polls right now suggest hillary clinton as got the advantage, donald trump, hard path to take here but if it seems as though democrats are out of touch with folks that do feel like they are struggling, those are the exact type of voters donald trump thinks he can win over and if that's a big enough pool, that's one thing that could complicate that. >> clearly both party conventions were pitched to those people. kristin sanderson, simon rosenberg, thank you both. >> thank you. jenna: of it has a deadline look at the tao, coming down

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especially with this report out of new york about fraudulent products. what products people be using to protect themselves against mosquito bites? >> the epa has reviewed all the stuff out there and in combination with the cdc they recommend anything with at least 25 percent the arpa card and or eucalyptus oil. anything more than that doesn't provide any added benefit and applying something with those substances every 7 to 8 hours is pretty much all that you can do along with avoiding these high-risk areas. jenna: you have to be concerned about using mosquito repellent so often whether you're a pregnant person, child or otherwise? >> the first thing to remember is what most of the bikes with zika with mosquitoes that tend to bite during the daytime as opposed to nighttime. it's more common among stillwater areas and the epa did a massive review in 1998 of the and all these other substances and found the long-term results are pretty safe so really the best thing you could do is apply something every seven or

eight hours and that's about it. jenna: what do you make of the latest report that we now it number 15 srs cases. how many cases are out there and what does it mean for the rest of us outside of florida? >> the reason this is a big deal in florida is that is the first time we've got people infected with zika that got in the united states. for it's been in almost every state among people that traveled outside but the mosquitoes only travel about 500 feet. mosquitoes are not going to fly to boston from miami or somewhere else and the mosquitoes live about a week or two so probably it's going to be a low-grade infection. it's probably going to be like dengue or the fever we had for decades and that rears its head up every so often so this is different and of course the consequences are graphic with the children being affected with microcephaly but it's probably going to be limited and no expert really thinks this is going to spread across the country quickly.

jenna: interesting perspective today, we have to run for breaking news, thank you so much. jon: fox news alert, let's take you to the white house now. josh burness is speaking about some controversial issues including the arrest of a dd transit worker charged with supporting isil. >> it's a strategy used by groups around the world including isil is use social media to recruit followers around the world, that is true in the united states as well and the fbi and department of justice take quite seriously the responsibility they have to use the resources at their disposal to pursue these investigations and do everything possible to protect the american people. >> donald trump's suggestion that the election might be rigged against him. you've talked a lot about one of the reasons that that injects into the transition planning is because of the importance of public confidence in continuity of transmission of power in the united states.

i wonder if you would like to comment if you would back them up, with eroding that confidence that could create a situation where people don't have in the confidence of a presidential election? >> i know this is the subject of debate at the end of the last presidential election whensome supporters , governor romney complained of skewed polling. so this is not a new claim. i would just note that it's often a claim made by people who don't wet and a winning elections area what i will say in general is that the cornerstone of our democracy is the ability of eligible voters, citizens to cast a ballot and have it counted area and the more people participate in that system,

the more people participate in that process, the stronger our democracy and the presidents made that case not just in front of audiences for democrats, he's made that case in front of audiences that include people that don't share his views or may not even have voted for him in the two previous elections so the president believes strongly that our democracy benefits when more people are engaged and he is certainly going to encourage people to engage in that debate. you've seen the united states department of justice justice pursue cases in the court to ensure that the rights of eligible voters are protected when it comes to participating in elections and the president has actually worked in bipartisan fashion including signing up the lawyer for governor romney's campaign to offer up advice about what we can do to make it easier for eligible voters to

participate in the process and the reason for all that is the president believes our democracy benefits when the american people are engaged in that debate and when as many eligiblevoters as possible cast ballots . >> to put it more bluntly, you can us government offer assurances that this election at least from a mechanical standpoint will not be read because of donald trump. >> the presidents confidence in the integrity of our electoral process and everybody else to has to . >> this morning they said that one of the things that the us should look into is being the elections infrastructure as part of the critical infrastructure for additional protections in draft eligibility for federal funds. is that an idea that the president supports? >> i know this is an idea that other members of the committee have also discussed and i think this should be an indication that this administration has praised

... >> we will depart from the white house briefing for other breaking news, fox news alert on one of our other top stories and i should mention the white house rethink will continue streaming on foxnews.com if you would like to continue to watch. donald trump now blasting hillary clinton over a wall street journal report that the us government covertly shipped $400 million in cash to iran back in january. the move coincided with the release of four american prisoners detained in tehran, it's our understanding they were released the same day. the obama administration so far denies any notion of a quid pro quo area joining us now as paul metaphor, the trunk campaign chairman. what do you think of the fact that the us makes this down payment, it wasn't even all the cash that apparently changed hands, $400 million on the same day us hostages are released? >> it's supposed to be part of a $1.7 billion payment and the two things wrong with it, one the fact that we are

paying an enemy of ours, this kindof money for release of our own citizens and number two that the american people are being lied to by the government . jon: your convinced that's what happened, that was payment for the release of those citizens? >> literally the payment was made the data hostages were released. depending on who you talk to, someone would say it was two different groups negotiating but the reality is it was all tied together and yes, we do believe that the us government paid for the release of hostages and that's not a way to deal with terrorists. that's not the way we view enemy governments and more importantly the american people were lied to the clinton obama administration as to what they were doing on behalf of their country. this is part of the campaign message that we are talking about, mister trump is talking about is he believes that under clinton and the secretary of state, under obama's presidency the american people have been misled consistently and it's gotten us into the mess the world is in today. it's caused the rights of

isis and ran certainly isn't a country we should begin with and expect to get something that's going to help our foreign policy. jon: what would president trump have done in that situation? >> you have to let the circumstances speak for it but what mister trump is said is dealing with a ran is not a smart thing, dealing with a country that's opposed to our interests, he would not have done the ran deal but as part of this overall hostage case and he said that when he was president he's going to look at that contract that was signed and make sure the united states is not going to be put in a bad position. jon: you say when he becomes president, you're a long way from that. reports out there that your campaign is in turmoil, that you personally lost control of your candidate . your response? >> the candidate is in control of his campaign, that's number one and i'm in control of doing the things

he wants me to do in the campaign. the turmoil, this is another clinton narrative that she put out there and that the media is picking up on. in the last week we just announced our 50 state chairman in the states, we announced a record amount of money that we raise in july. mister trump has appeared this week in front of crowds overflowing onto the streets so the campaign is in very good shape we are organized, we are moving forward and the clinton machine may not like it but we're prepared for the fight. jon: you fired and broke over, i guy that came over from doctor penn ben carson's campaign. that doesn't necessarily, he was an envoy to the republican national committee, that doesn't necessarily look like a campaign that's ... >> first of all, one person doesn't define a campaign. he wasn't even part of the campaign, he was at the rnc and his function was to deal as a liaison and the convention was over, and a great guy and the rnc, the

role of the rnc was over with when the convention was over with so it was nothing to do with the campaign and the structure of the campaign. we fired 50 guys in the last week , they went on payroll august 1 so that should be what's defining the campaign. jon: there's another report out there and i want to get your comment on this is that there is supposed to be some kind of campaign intervention this week, that people like rudy giuliani and possibly newt gingrich and you and the trouble children are going to sit down with your candidate and try to refocus the campaign and direct fire at hillary clinton instead of fellow republicans like paul ryan. is that going to happen? >> that's the first i'm hearing about. the candidate is wanting this afternoon, he's going to be talking about the same situation you ask me, the ran secret payment. he's going to be talking about hillary clinton's failed leadership as secretary of state, talking about her arrogance on what she thinks she should share with the american people as far as the clinton foundation

and some of the conflicts she had so the campaign is focused and the campaign is moving forward in a positive way. the only thing we have to have an intervention with is some media types who keeps saying things that are true . jon: but there was that email sent out to members of congress saying let's put this kahn controversy behind us, let's focus our efforts in other areas. and yet the candidate himself continues to bring that up. >> the candidate wanted to make clear to things on the kahn situation and we put it behind us frankly. he does sympathize with the family for the loss but two, he was concerned more about what caused that loss which is the failed policies of hillary clinton and barack obama that led to the rise of isis, led to the destabilizing of the situation there and cause the deaths of many other american families.

sons and daughters, so that's what he was talking about. the kahn situation was not, it was part of a bigger message and that's what i expect him to explain well. jon: there are reports that trump and his security briefings was asking about the use of nuclear weapons, is that true? >> it's absolutely not true and in fact those security meetings haven't started yet. they were simply referenced. the idea that he's looking at trying to understand where to use nuclear weapons just didn't happen, i was in the media. jon: you're about five points down in the latest polls. can you make that up? >> this is a very volatile situation. this is a race about change versus the establishment. the national polls are important at this point. what's important is we will on in the battleground states and there we are even on holes or one or two points off for one or 2.5. the campaign is on, we like

the fact that it's change versus the establishment. hillary clinton can't be changed, she is the establishment. jon: paul manafort, trump campaign chairman, thank you for coming in, we will be right back. with propane, people can live where they want, and just as cozy as they want. whether it's a hot bath (no thank you), a warm bedroom, or a perfectly grilled steak. drop it, drop it, drop it proudly independent. proudly american. proudly propane

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>> see you back here in an hour. >> "outnumbered" the starts right now. harris: fox news alert. growing questions about whether the obama administration secretly paid a ransom to iran for the freedom of four american hostages. now, josh ernest, this press secretary, is speaking with the media. they just asked him questions. let's watch that together. >> administration kept in place tough financial sanctions against iran, because of variety of concerns that we have about their behavior including their support for terrorism. their violation of human rights. and a ballistic missile program that they maintain that continues to be inconsistent with u.n. security council resolutions. the facts are quite clear.