jenna: we'll see you back here in an hour, "outi -- "outnumbered" starts now. sandra: it's trade are, everybody, i'm sandra smith. here today, fox business network's dagen mcdowell, national review reporter katherine tim of, and co-host of the five and cashing in, eric bolling is here. you always like to remind us of something, but we'll get to that later. >> let's say that. dagen: i said he was stunning, pink is hot.

>> well, thank you, guys. julie: that's a great little tie thing, pocket square. [laughter] >> i'm proud to be here. thanks for having me. dagen: this is before we stab you in the neck. [laughter] >> i'm ready for it. sandra: let's get started. more details coming out about the fbi pushing to investigate allegations of pay to play at hillary clinton's state department before being denied by the department of justice. a new report says three field offices wanted an investigation launched earlier this year. after a bank alerted the fbi to the so-called suspicious activity of a foreign donor to the clinton foundation. it also shows a top clinton aide assisted the charity in its hiring while she worked as a senior official in the state department. as first reported on cnn, cheryl mills, hillary's chief of staff at state, traveled to new york in 2012 to interview job candidates for a top job at the foundation. when pressed for an explanation,

clinton's campaign says, quote: cheryl volunteered her personal time to a charitable organization. as she has to other charities. cheryl paid more her travel to new york city be personally, and it was crystal clear to all involved that this had nothing to do with her official duties. the idea that this poses a conflict of interest is absurd. and the state department insists mills' trip to the big apple was for, quote, personal travel and elopmentss paid for it herself. swirling around the clinton campaign, charles kraut krauthar had this reaction when i filled in for megyn last night. >> it was not a charity. it was the sort of headquarters of clinton inc., and the fact that they did not draw a strict line between state department and the foundation is, to me, astonishing not because it's quite politically immoral, but because it is so stupid. sandra: all right, eric, what do you make of all this? >> well, yesterday julie and i had a discussion on the clinton

foundation, is it immoral, unethical, illegal, which one is it? or is it just politically corrupt? i think at least immoral, unethical, and i'm thinking probably illegal as well, and i think they're going to finally get to this. this is a drip, drip, drip for onen reason: foia requests are so difficult to get. it takes literally months, sometimes even longer. i think they have a 75-year backlog on foia, so these things start to come out. as you get them, you look at them and see what's going on. three field offices recommending at least an investigation? i would say you have to start looking at the doj. i guess it's going to be loretta that lynch who's decided not to open up an investigation. why? she's the same person who didn't open up an investigation based on james comey's recommendation, granted, but at no time with the e-mail server scandal -- didn't with the e-mail server scandal. sandra: it's unbelievable to me to see that reaction from the clintons, from hillary clinton's

camp saying that it's absurd that anybody would think that this looks any other way. >> i know. was she just doing it for fun? like she has some time off. you can drink some wine, maybe go golfing. no, i'd like to interview people for the clinton foundation. it's a complete coincidence that this is my boss' foundation. that sounds so ridiculous that i can't believe she's able to get away with this kind of stuff. i'm, like, a big fan of logic, i think it's the best, and logic says there's something shady going on here. sandra: is she going to continue to get away with this, or this going to hurt? julie: eric, you and i did talk about this yesterday. i will say this particular thing with cheryl mills, i -- you have to know the history of cheryl mills with the clintons. the fact is she's been a fact toe -- totem of theirs for a generation if not longer. i don't see it there -- >> a conflict of interest. julie: what's the conflict of interest?

sandra: she's doing a favor for her boss. >> we've already established the fact that there were people asking the state department for favors to meet up with, to be introduced -- julie: but she's hiring at the same time -- >> for business dealings. we know that's going on. they've admitted to that. julie: that's wrong, i agree. >> then as far as be huma abedin that was getting the calls, thousand you put a second one at least representing the state department and the clinton foundation at the same time -- julie: i don't know that she's -- look, let's separate the issues. huma abedin was on the clinton foundation payroll, she was on the state department payroll, to me, that's inexcusable, and that should never have been. for cheryl hills to interview somebody for a job -- cheryl mills to interview somebody for a job at the clinton foundation -- dagen: this is a morass created by the clintons to basically hide their wrong doing. they use the complexity of these relationships to their advantage.

and they operate with impunity. and if the american people think that they won't do the exact same thing under another clinton administration, then they are as allergic to the truth as hillary clinton is. julie: let's wreak -- break this down. so cheryl mills hires eric bolling at the clinton foundation, right? she recommends eric gets hired. and? >> and now, and now there may be access provided either through i want, i want access, now i can get to the state department, now i can get to hillary clinton -- [inaudible conversations] >> let me give you another example. this is one that a lot of people from the business world can understand. you can't work for the government and work for goldman saks -- sandra: okay -- julie: she's not working -- >> but there's a conflict of interest. sandra: hold on, these reports now coming out that the fbi wanted to look into this conflict of interest going on, and the department of justice denied it. what do you make of that? julie: if that's true, that's too bad. they should look into it.

look, i will never defend the relationship between the clinton foundation and the state department. i haven't from day one. i'm talking specifically about the cheryl mills issue -- >> she works for the state department -- julie: i got it. if somebody from the clinton foundation wanted to pick up the phone and call somebody at the state department, bill clinton would -- you don't need some staffer to get hired by cheryl mills. dagen: whether it's the white house or the state department, they have used these jobs where they're supposed to serve the united states to serve themselves and enrich themselves both in power and purse over and over -- julie: that's a separate issue. >> it's all the same. dagen: i think that the overarching issue if she's running for the presidency, are you -- do you trust her to operate in the interest of the people and not the interest of the clintons? sandra: all right. let's move on. meantime, donald trump responding to a letter signed by more than 70 republicans including former members of congress urging the r, this c to cut off -- rnc to cut off funding to his campaign.

the letter asks chairman reince priebus to focus party resources on insuring the gop majorities in the house and senate be, basically portraying trump's campaign as a lost cause. donald trump telling everything bolling -- hmm -- on the factor that priebus told him it's not true that money will be funneled elsewhere. and trump went on to say if the rnc ever did so, it would be the party's loss, not his. listen. >> if it is true, that's okay too because all i'll have to do is stop funding the republican party. i'm the one raising the money for them. in fact, right now i'm in orlando. i'm going to a fundraiser for the republican party. so if they want to do that, they could save me a hot of time and -- sandra: and this morning newt gingrich saying it's just another example be of trump versus the washington elite system. >> i think there are establishment deserters all over the place, and i think that they don't understand the trump insurgency, or they understand it and it frightens them.

trump is a direct assault on that system. sandra: hmm. is this, is this more of what we've been saying for months now? >> so i think this was interesting. no, the others were remember the 50 people, gop-ers who signed a letter saying they can't support trump that came out on tuesday after his big economic speech on monday. nice timing on that, fellas, good job. and ladies if there were any females. i'm not sure what the breakdown was. however, this was different9 this is another group of gop-ers saying we want trump not to get access to the rnc. the rnc is extremely important, the data, the money going back and forth, the information, the phone numbers, the e-mails. you really need that as a campaign -- dagen: you need that for your ground game. >> so i pushed trump last night, and i said have you -- is that at risk? he said something like, well, you'll find out in november. i didn't really get that answer. >> seems like he's really trying -- >> i'm friendly with reince

priebus, and he is all in on the gop winning the election. and that right now the only person you have on the gop side is donald trump. julie: can i put something out? it is now a week or two weeks, three weeks before labor day, the final 90 days of this election. here's the presidential nominee of republican party on the number one rated cable show in the country potentially trashing reince priebus, fighting with -- >> he didn't trash him. he didn't trash him. julie: or threatening. >> no. julie: we're discussing the gop civil war -- >> i think he was addressing the 50 quote-unquote republicans -- julie: fine. the point is, eric, he wasn't taking the time to address hillary clinton. >> that's fair enough. >> wasting time talking about that instead of hillary clinton, i would agree. and also he certainly hasn't seemed to have tried that hard to make amends with people that are mad at him. he's still doing the i don't need them. dagen: these republicans, come on, people, he is your nominee, like it or not.

where were you a year ago or more? as my mother would say, if you can't say something nice, shut your mouth. sandra: all right. this breaking just moments ago, hillary clinton releasing her tax returns. what we are learning. and will this put pressure on donald trump to do the same? we take it to the couch next. ♪ ♪

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sandra: all right. hillary clinton today releasing her tax returns. we've got them right now. the clintons made just over $10 million in 2015, $10.6 million in 2015. they paid an effective federal tax rate of 34%. this all coming out just now. they donated nearly 10% of their gross income to charity. this is all coming out in a campaign statement. her running mate, tim kaine, also releasing ten years of his tax returns. he and his wife paid an effective rate of 20% last year. so right now my question to you, eric, is as we do see these, we're going through the numbers right now. hillary clinton and her husband making over $10 million, 34% tax rate. does this increase pressure on donald trump to release his tax return? >> well, i think it does, and i think he will.

he says he'll do it after he's through the audit. i don't know the process of that, and maybe he will, but i think he should eventually release his tax -- sandra: does anything -- >> but i'd also like her to put out a letter saying they're in good health -- that's not releasing -- dagen: it's dated 2015. >> you want to release medical records -- trump had his doctor write a letter on his behalf. sandra: does anything shock you here? is this a lot of money? >> it's not a lot of money for family in the spotlight the way they are, the celebrities that they are. they make 4, $500,000 on speeches. it's shocking that a couple years ago she could claim they were broke when they left the white house. they were never broke. they had money. they're worth $100 million. katherine: i would love to be that of broke. dagen: that 34% tax rate, i don't want to speculate about what i don't know not having read through the tax returns,

but her minimum tax, the would have fete tax that she's proposing -- buffett tax that she's proposing is 30% on people making $20 million or more, an additional surtax on people making $5 million or more. so the fact that they, their effective tax rate was 34%, it's above her level. so she can say, see, i'm paying my fair share as defined by my own tax plan. sandra: because this goes back ten years of tax returns, the clintons, it is also being revealed in this statement by their campaign, that they've paid more than $43 million in federal taxes and more than $14 million in charitable contributions since 2007. >> yeah. so they've always made a lot of money. if you're paying $14 million in taxes at a 30 tax rate, that's about $120 million in the last ten years. that's $12 million per year. don't tell me you're broke. you're not broke. you were never broke. dagen: all of those organizations are paying bill clinton six figures to speak in front of them, also giving money

to the clinton foundation hoping to get some business -- >> you you know what's more important than the tax returns? those transcripts of her speaking engagements. julie: i guarantee you -- well, i'm not speaking for her, but i bet she would make that trade. if he releases his taxes -- >> if i were him, i'd say -- julie: you know why he won't do it? the new york time speculated he may pay zero -- sandra: hold on. what we know and why he says he's not releasing his tax returns. he's under an audit right now, and he will not release his tax returns until that audit -- julie: he's had tax returns that were not under audit. he's only under audit for a year or two. he should release those tax returns, nothing's preventing him. katherine: he has more pressure on him to do it now. julie: secondly, there's nothing to prevent you even if you are under audit to release your tax return. what's the big deal?

>> because they're not accurate this the audit is through, thurm one, and number two these guys will tell you, every -- listen, when you're at this level of earners and income, every tax year is dependent on the prior year. it multiplies every single year. so if you have an issue from 2010 that is x amount of hundreds of thousands of dollars, it multiplies gee geometrically -- >> why not wait until we have the complete picture? that makes sense. >> that's true, julie. julie: why not release the ones that are not under audit? >> because that's -- >> inaccurate, every year after that is inaccurate. julie: how about the tax returns previous the audit? >> 15 years ago? julie: i'd love to see what he paid 15 years ago, 10 years ago -- >> i don't know anyone that's done that, released -- >> julie: she's released 10 years. fine, i want to look back to the year prior -- >> he said he's been audited

every year for 15 years. he said that. julie: excuse me. he hasn't been audited for the last 15 years. >> >> julie, you know this. you know this -- julie: you are coming up with kool-aid excuses. eric, if this were hillary clinton, you'd be the first to demand she release -- >> no, i want to see her transcripts. sandra: let's go back to the amount though, $10.6 million the clintons made in 2015. what do you make of that money? julie: they make a lot of money for speeches. sandra: speeches which she will not release the transcripts. >> exactly. they're not paying her this money because she's talking garbage to them. you pay people because you support their message, they say good thicks -- julie: has trump released his transcripts for -- >> chiang he's done any be, actually. [laughter] dagen: point out something in this doctor's letter which was sent out by blake burman, dated

2015. it goes into a lot of detail about what happened when she fell and hit her head and got a blood clot, i mean, a lot of medical detail. and the last line of the letter is her -- she is in excellent physical condition and fit to serve as president of the united states. and i think she's trying to put that to bed, because the implication is that something's wrong with her up top. julie: yeah, that's true. eric, how about you just release what his effective tax rate is for the last ten years. sandra: all right. >> unless you have all the information, what you're using, what your -- julie: i'm guessing that -- he's already paid -- eric -- >> it's straight arithmetic. julie: i want to know what he's paid in taxes. >> even if it's not accurate? then he should just tell you, i paid 17. julie: i'd love to know that. >> make it up, because that's as good as you would get -- sandra: we've got to wrap it up there. also in this statement coming

out of hillary clinton's campaign when they did release their family's taxes, they said this sets the standard for financial transparency by releasing the returns, and they're calling on trump -- >> using the word transparency is rich. dagen: i'm surprised that's in their lexicon. [laughter] sandra: donald trump doubling down on his claims president obama and hillary clinton co-founded isis. trump's new comments and what it means for his candidacy going forward. plus, tim kaine and mike pence be redefining the traditional role of running mate. will playing defender rather than attack dog help or hurt their running mates' chance for victory come november? ♪ ♪ you can run an errand. (music playing) ♪ push it real good... (announcer vo) or you can take a joyride. bye bye, errands, we sing out loud here. siriusxm. road happy.

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co-founders of isis, but not until after multiple interviews where he doubled down on the claim. here he is telling hugh hewitt he meant exactly what he said. >> i know what you meant, you meant that he created the vacuum -- >> no, i meant he's the founder of isis. i give him the most valuable player award, i give her too, by the way -- >> but he's not instruct sympato them. >> the way he got out of iraq, that was the founding of isis. >> but by using the term founder, they're hitting on you with this again. mistake? >> no, it's no mistake. everyone's liking it. i think they're liking it. sandra: but then there's in this morning. he tweeted out, quote: ratings-challenges cnn reports so seriously that i called president obama and hillary clinton the founder of isis, they don't get sarcasm? all right. so let's discuss this for a second.

so he had multiple opportunities, right, eric, to say, all right, here's exactly what i meant. but, no, he went back to those exact words, that the president founded isis. >> yeah. even last night i gave him the opportunity to call it something else -- sandra: you did. >> i said how about call it enabled isis, and i bet you'd get a bunch of democrats agree with you that he created the vehicle vacuum in iraq -- vacuum in iraq. he said, no, i'm going to stay with founded isis. but, okay, look, i think he at some point has to say, all right, focus our attention on hillary clinton, stop getting yourself into -- >> no, but that was kind of a crazy thing to say. the i'm sarcastic excuse be, that's not how you can live your life. i'm sorry, mr. undercover officer, i know i just offered you money to kill my wife, but i was just kidding. it doesn't just absolve you of everything. >> i agree. i think he should have either stayed with founder or -- >> i don't know if he's trying to be interesting --

sandra: okay. julie, you could make the case that we have seen hillary clinton do similar things to donald trump like reference him as an isis recruiter. listen. >> he is becoming isis' best recruiter. they are going to people, showing videos of donald trump insulting islam and muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists. [applause] the way donald trump talks about terrorism and his, you know, very insulting language toward muslims is making him the recruiting sergeant for isis. sandra: she's suggesting he's actually recruiting -- julie: here's the difference. if sandra smith were to ask hillary clinton on tv, are you literally suggesting that donald trump is recruiting for isis? don't you mean his rhetoric is helping isis recruit candidates, and she said, no, no, sandra, i literally mean -- sandra: going on to explain just how he is helping -- julie: exactly right.

which is what donald trump should have done. i meant that he created a vacuum in syria, in iraq, and because of -- >> here's the difference, donald trump is asked the question again and and again. hillary gets to say it and never gets asked again. julie: the problem for donald trump is this: he's constitutionally incapable of talking about her for a long period of time -- sandra: dagen. julie: all he does is talk about himself. he's incapable of bringing the message back to -- dagen: when i see those clips of hillary clinton, it makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck, because i've heard this from the left, that somehow the united states and our actions on the world stage prior to 9/11 brought those attacks on this very nation, and it smacks of that. and i find it absolutely repug in a minute. on the other hand -- repugnant. on the other hand, with donald trump i had so many people ask me when i was in virginia, oh, my god, can you believe what donald trump said? julie: is that what people in

virginia talk like? dagen: well, in charlottesville they do, because they're all from the northeast. and i said, you know what? i'm kind of plum full of outrage at this point. i think there's some of the strategy to that. the more that he does that, people just become immune to reaction. but i've said this about president obama over can and over again, his refusal to call terrorists radical islamic terrorists, words do matter. and if i'm going to hold the president to that standard, then the candidates have to be held to that standard as well. sandra: so he had so many opportunities, kat. he didn't see the need to clarify -- >> no, because he loves doing this thing where things are bold and he gets attention and it's more exciting to listen to him talk, which is true. but when you're running up against the most boring person, like, ever, you can tone it down a little bit so you don't get in this kind of trouble. [laughter] we're talking about somebody we want to be president. we don't want to have to worry about them -- dagen: by the way, that remark he made about john healthcare

cane last year was actually, i don't know if he knows it, but it was a joke ripped off from 2008 -- >> yeah. it wasn't even his joke. julie: he said if you notice how he put it, ratings-challenged cnn. all donald trump cares about is ratings, eyeballs and his ever-increasing rhetoric to try to get those ratings up for himself. he's a reality star running for president, and that's why it's so incendiary. dagen: moving op to this. the traditional role of the vice presidential nominee is being put to the test rather than solely playing the part of attacking their candidate's opponent. both playing defense for the two candidates who are battling some of the highest unfavorable numbers ever seen in american politics. here's governor mike pence clarifying donald trump's isis comments yesterday in wisconsin. [laughter] >> the media's talking today about another controversy over semantics, but let's be very clear, it was barack obama and

hillary clinton who helped undo all the hard-fought gains in operation iraqi freedom that our soldiers won in securing that nation. dagen: senator kaine is also spending plenty of time doing damage control over hillary clinton's ongoing e-mail controversy. >> she said it was a mistake. we -- i am not presumptuous enough to start thinking about how i'm going to do things after november, but i though that this is something -- i know that this is something she's learned from, and we're going to be real transparent, absolutely. dagen: eric, in terms of mike pence, mike -- like i know him on a first name be basis -- [laughter] the governor has really come to donald trump's defense. it started when he made those comments about russia uncovering hillary clinton's lost e-mails, and be then after the khan family controversy, he came out after that with a statement, and he endorsed paul ryan when trump and ryan were having a dust-up.

is this effective though? >> see what's happening here? dagen: no, tell me. [laughter] >> both surrogates are doing damage control for their number ones, but on donald trump's the damage control is what he said, what he said about khan, what he said about hillary clinton, what he said about the second amendment. on hillary clinton's side the surrogate is doing damage control about what she did. she lied about her e-mails, possibly four americans died because she was lying about benghazi. she lied about the clinton foundation information that we're finding out now. so on one hand you worry about what donald trump says and the media makes a big deal about it, and maybe he should fix that, but she can't fix what she's already done. her a actions are what's going to bury her candidacy. his words, his mouth, his rhetoric may or may not. julie: i would say looking at the polls, everything, that his rhetoric -- >> polls are a snapshot in time -- julie: that's a great cliche, but i have to tell you -- >> two weekes ago donald trump

was winning. julie: when, in halftime after he had his convention? and there was no rebuttal? [inaudible conversations] >> you understand that trump gets mad? it's like bringing a date to a party, and he gets really drunk, and you have to be like, oh, or i'm sorry, he's just tired, he won't do it again. that's his life every day. [laughter] >> trump? dagen: by the way, every pollster i've talked to has said you've got to wait until labor day to really watch -- julie: all right. let's see what trump does in the next three weeks to pivot, because we keep talking about the great pivot that's coming any day now. sandra: i think you make a great point, but who has a bigger job cut out for them when you look at kaine and pence? eric, you're pointing out that kaine is defending her actions, and pence is defending his words. >> she lied, people died. i've heard that a-up times. there are four families that

still blame hillary clinton for that. e-mail scandal, server scandal, lied about the clinton foundation. we're still finding more, but these are wig things. -- big things. dyeing craig do either one of these gentlemen have any impact on voters? they're out there making excuses for the nominees. do they have any impact? can they even carry their own states? she's leading in virginia in the polls that i've looked at, but in terms of -- that's why they're there, is to carry those battlegrounds. you'll jewell yes. eric? >> he's got work to do, this is no question about it. do i care about someone who talks a big game and isn't always accurate, or do i care about someone who, honestly, is dishonest and hay be harmful to people? julie: but you know, eric, looking at the polls we talked about, there are dishonesty comparisons that are about equal. [inaudible conversations] julie: i get be it. >> i care about she lied --

[inaudible conversations] julie: you're not the target voter. we though how you're vote aring. >> the independents should look at those. julie: they are. and -- sandra: who decided to sit you guys -- [inaudible conversations] you'll jewell we're friends. dagen: so far mr. pence and mr. kaine have been even-keeled. i can't wait to see when one of them makes a big mistake. a decision by the nfl causing another controversy. the league denying a request by the dallas cowboys to honor dallas' five police officers who were murdered last month. why the league's decision doesn't necessarily line up with its policy on uniforms. ♪ ♪

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away. the league denying the dallas i cowboys' request to wear a decal on their helmets during the season that would have paid tribute to the five police officers murdered in an ambush last month. the team had been wearing the decal with the words "arm in arm" during training camp in support of those officers. the nfl says it denied the request in keeping with its strict rules on uniforms. but it seems those rules aren't exactly written in stone. look at this. the league allowed the broncos to wear decals to remember victims of the theater shooting in aurora, colorado, as well as those killed in wildfires in 2012. and five years ago the patriots wore a jersey patch with the officials of myra kraft, the late wife of owner robert kraft. it also let the packers or celebrate the 50th anniversary of lambeau field in 2007. cowboys' owner jerry jones, and jason witten both say they're disappointed with the nfl's

decision. >> the fact that it's being noted and talked about accomplishes a lot. >> we understand the guidelines of the league. as i said, that doesn't stop what our real message was and what we're trying to do. sandra: what do you make of the fact that they are not allowing them to wear the decal honoring these fallen policemen? >> listen, i'm a massive, massive law enforcement backer. in fact, during both of the conventions i had different forms of law enforcement come on the show, talk about what they do. i'd like to take it one step further. i don't think it should just be about the dallas cops. remember there were five cops shot in louisiana? here's what i think the nfl should do, and roger goodell's a friend, and i'm making this recommendation to him. give it a law enforcement weekend. the whole weekend. every team respects and honors law enforcement, not just the dallas cowboys.

that would solve a lot of issues. by the way, i think everyone would be okay with that. dagen: put the arm in arm decal on every -- >> we do breast cancer, we do autism, we do military weekends -- sandra: so you're referencing 2015 when they did the breast cancer awareness month be for october, they all wore those pink helmet deals. they allowed it then -- dagen: and they also allowed the hands up, don't shoot expression by those few st. louis rams, and and those gentlemen -- because it's tree speech -- were not disciplined even though that gesture was built on a falsehood -- sandra: there's the video, dagen, of what you're talking about. dagen: the league gets its priorities straight. and i'm going to pivot to nascar, because nascar gets this right over and over again. they honor people. racing legends. and these very often are people

who no one has ever heard of, people who were just car owners. when people pass away, when they are killed, they are honored on the cars, and it is -- and they feel like it is their duty. as drivers and owners to do that, and it's the league's duty to honor -- >> if you want to have a weekend where the whole nfl, that's a good idea. but if you talk about dallas specifically, especially, i have a lot of family that are in the dallas police force, and it's been a really hard few weeks for them, you know, their families, their friends. the whole community is grieving. if they want to express it that way, they should be able to. i think it's a great thing. and i don't think anybody believes it's really about the rules, right? they breathed a sigh of relief, okay, we don't have to get involved because we can just say the rules. julie: what's depressing is they have made exceptions, right? if this were a rule that was sacrosanct and we weren't going to violate it, then, okay, fibro. but as you pointed out, they violated it over and over and over again. why not now? >> they don't want to get involved.

julie: it's not even a matter of getting involved. it doesn't matter where you come down on this black lives matter issue, what's wrong with saying that cops are good -- >> maybe, jules, cops are being killed in every single city of america, this is one of the most deadly years for law enforcement. look, i get it. that community is struggling. but so are other communities whenever a cop is shot. julie: right. >> why not let that community -- dagen: i think the league has shown it's missing a sensitivity chip, this being one of them. sandra: missed opportunity, eric? >> no. i think if they don't do it, a full weekend for law enforcement. you do it for military, do it for law enforcement. sandra: all right. a large public school district looking to dump the term boys and girls for students, really? and now enter the gender unicorn, a cartoon character that's supposed to help teachers and staff understand gender

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a moment, but first to jenna lee with the second hour of "happening now". jenna: hillary clinton turning up the pressure on donald transfer releasing ten years of -- donald trump releasing ten years of tax returns. she's reiterating her call for trump to release his tax returns. rainfall in parts of the gulf today, some people are being rescued as flash floods hit louisiana and mississippi. more on that developing story as we get it. plus, stocks taking a bit of a breather after all three indices hit record highs. that hasn't happened since december 31, 1999, so it was a record at least for wall street. we'll see you top of the hour. >> all right, thank you. hey, ruse beers, can we -- producers, can we fix ma banner? -- fix that banner in. [laughter] police in a north carolina school district are now recommending teachers avoid using the terms boy or girl for children in favor of gender-neutral terms like

scholars and students. they've also added a gender unicorn to their teacher training ram. the cartoon character is meant to help staffers understand the sliding scale of gender identity to and sexual orientation. the school district says it's all about providing a safe environment for all students, but there are growing protests from some parents and staff. one parent saying, quote: it was really slick. it's a friendly looking and deceitful because the unicorn to me be represents the religion of sex. it's silencing and penalizing those of us who believe -- [laughter] why am i reading this? and should be able to use those terms. the school district in the charlotte region has nearly 150,000 students. many with kids. sandra: i'm the here of two young children, and i am thinking about them starting school, and i'm worried it's no longer about reading, writing

and math. what is happening? we can't call girls girls and boys boys anymore? and that unicorn, quite frankly, could be scary. >> a little creepy? julie: you know what's creepy? the unicorn right here we got from -- >> that's clearly a scholar. julie: it's a religious of sex. i didn't know -- >> i was unaware of this religion. julie: the religion of sex -- sandra: i have to look at this in the makeup room every day, it's perched on top of a cabinet. [laughter] >> this is a terrible example. dagen: i was educated in a very small public school system up until the time i was 15, and i was so poorly undereducated. i don't understand how much you can expect these teachers this these public schools to do. and i want to give a shout out to my parents because my mother, again, it's out of the home and not in the schools. my mom sat he down when i was 12 and said, honey, you're going to figure out who you are in the

next few years, and if it turns out you like girls instead of boys, that's fine. i think that's a conversation every parent -- >> exactly. these things can be handled on a case by case basis, and the teachers and the parents can work together to handle these individual issues, but saying a blanket statement, you can't call thin a girl or a boy, i don't understand why that's something they're spending time doing. that doesn't make any -- >> i dismantle this a little bit? dagen: please. >> the theory is people may be living as a boy but identifying as a girl and haven't head that full -- >> yeah. >> correct me if i'm wrong. and if you say "he" when he's really a she by identity, you're inis thing -- julie: look, i'm going to say this: i think, unfortunately, not everybody has the mother that you have, dagen, so as a result, there are a lot of kids that rely on teachers and on school to set a positive example. i think if you're a transgender

student or going through something along those lines, or it's nice to be supported in a school. however, preventing teachers from referring to somebody as a boy or a girl is separate from that. a lot of things that this school is doing are positive, but let's not take it too far -- dagen: well, i expect the teachers to just have a certain level of sensitivity. and maybe this is too high a bar, but i expect them to have a level of sensitivity that they wouldn't need training on how to deal with young people who, young people in their classes who are transgender -- >> smitty, there are somewhere around 60 different ways to identify your gender on facebook. is that where we're going? sandra: if our school system many this country was perfect and we were producing kids better than every single country in the world and we had a perfect situation, eric, i think it's okay to look at details like this. right now we have a serious problem educating people in this

country. dagen: i still don't know geometry. sandra: oh, boy. i can help you out with that. julie: we have kids who are literally committing suicide -- >> we do immediate to have sensitivity -- >> we're getting the wrap. more "outnumbered" in just a second. ♪ use dulcolax tablets for gentle overnight relief suppositories for relief in minutes and stool softeners for comfortable relief of hard stools. dulcolax, designed for dependable relief

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