hillary clinton is -- >> i know you feel strongly, but i have to run. that is all for today. thank you, frank. catch me tomorrow morning, 9:00 sharp on the fox business network. the show is called "varney and company." again, 9:00 through noon. "the five" is next. hello, everyone. i'm dana perino. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." breaking new developments today out of rio on that alleged robbery reported by four olympic swimmers from america. this afternoon, brazil's police chief held a news conference and said it never happened, and that it was all made up. >> translator: at this exact moment, what the police can confirm is there was no robbery in the way that it was reported by the athletes. they were not the victim of the

criminal facts that they described. >> police say there was a series of contra dedictions from the athletes from the start and they carried out acts of vandalism at a gas station. an olympic spokesman tried to calm everything down. >> let's give the kids a break. sometimes you take actions that you later regret. they are magnificent athletes. lochte is one of the best swimmers of all time. they had fun, they made a mistake. it's part of life, life goes on. >> let's get the latest from steve harrigan who joins us live from rio. this has been a wild story. can you summit up for us? >> reporter: a wild story with intense interest. we just saw two of the swimmers leave the police station, surrounded by the media. a very angry press conference by the chief of police in rio today. he said basically the four american swimmers owe this city

an apology. he said they made up a fan ttasc lie. he said they vandalized a gas station and tried to leave without paying for it. he said they were with two women before hand and lied because they didn't want people to find out about it. as far as the three swimmers in brazil with their passports seized, the police chief said now that they've given their testimony, which confirms what he said in the press conference, he sees no reason to keep them in brazil any longer. two were pulled off a plane last night, so we could see them leave the country in the near term. dana? >> eric boling has a question. >> steve, we've been hearing about this all day. we were talking about why there's such intense media coverage of this story. but again, on one side you have national pride.

you have the brazilians saying these americans lied about our country. the country suspect like that. then you have the brazilians pulling americans off an airplane over something that could be as innocent as a lie about what happened. so that's one sense. but can they be held for anything, can they be jailed for any of this? >> i think you're right that pride is a real big factor in this. brazil has been taking a pounding in these olympic games for green water in the swimming pool, the zika virus. and over and over again, athletes going out at night and getting robbed. there were two more this weekend, robbed at one point, taken to atms. part of the reason this has gotten the press it has, it's a high profile american. they could face up to three years for filing a false police report, but it sounds like the

police chief doesn't have the chops to pursue this. >> juan? >> so steve, ryan lochte, who is well known, i guess he's only -- only michael phelps is better known. but he was talking to matt lauer and said why would we make up such a story? that doesn't look good for ryan lochte. what were they thinking? what were they doing? >> i think the one thing you can point out about lochte's story, it's changed over time. initially, he said a gun was held to his forehead and cocked and that they were pretty much ran off the road. then he said a gun was pointed at him and they were robbed while stationary at a gas station. the one key fact here is that these four swimmers had a gunpoigun pointed at them, gave money and

left the scene. >> kimberly? >> any idea perhaps of how even the olympic committee, maybe they want to handle this, the u.s. teams to say perhaps very sincere apology specifically to the people of rio. because yes, they've been having a tough time during the olympics with a little bit of bad p.r., maybe they got fined to make this go away. >> reporter: i think you're right, that there are losers on both sides of this so far. i think there's still a lot of anger on both sides. an anger on the part of the police who feel their city got mered by the americans and lochte in particular. and lochte saying that videotape doesn't show the whole story, that there's been some editing. so i think there's some real anger on both sides in this issue. >> gutfeld? >> steven, is there any truth to the rumor that president obama will be sending a plane filled with $500 million to rio to get the swimmers back?

>> reporter: can't confirm that, greg. >> do you have a real question? >> no, i don't. >> how happy is michael phelps that he's married with a baby and wasn't out there? >> he married a baby? >> no. >> we're going to let you go, steve. thank you for joining us. so this story, eric, was the front page of "the new york post" on saturday. >> yeah, and it's literally leading every news cast. can i start with, i be no means am defending ryan lochte for lying if he did lie. but i'll tell you a story, this is a true story. there's a punchline at the end. 20 years ago, i was in rio de janeiro, it was a similar situation, they were trying to recover from an economic downturn. it was a dangerous city. we go from the hotels area to the restaurant areas. we always take a cab, you don't want to do anything else.

about the fourth day, i think it was a friday night, that's relevant. the cab doesn't go directly to the restaurant area. we get pulled over by police. police pull us out. if you're in rio, you lock your passport in a safe. police say, get out of the car, show us your passports. we didn't have them. they said you're going to jail until monday. now we're thinking we're -- we're in a brazilian jail over the weekend. so i'm trying to negotiate this. i'm the only one that speaks spanish. by about 20 minutes into this, i pull out money, i hand a $100 bill to the guy, within two minutes, we're taking pictures with these guys s with their u. my point is this, it's almost the exact same story that lochte is telling. if he's lying, i don't back him up at all.

the other thing is, this was 20 years ago and rio has gone through some economic development. but it was a dangerous place. brazilians are getting mad about this, but honestly, that stuff goes on. here's what else i think. every olympian, especially a guy with six gold medals, should have security with him at all times. just travel with security. >> lyin' ryan, crooked conger. lock up lochte. you know what this story is real aabout? how you can't make up stories anymore. because 20 years ago, there wasn't as much surveillance. so when you tell a story about being robbed or whatever, there's surveillance at a gas station that will show up and make you look like a fool. so i think what's happening is, it makes me think if we had this

surveillance years ago, how many hoaxes, how many of those would have fallen apart the moment you saw the tape? i think that's going to change. now not only do you have to get your story straight, you have to pray there's no surveillance. >> in this case, we don't have any social media, but that does play a role, too. juan, do we hold our olympic athletes to too high a standard? >> no, because they're olympic athletes. they're in a situation where you think they would have security. now, the other part is, they were not supposed to be taking private cabs. they were supposed to be taking vehicles from the olympic village that were authorized and had some protection. they chose to go privately and out late at night. the initial story was, they wen not to take the olympic village vehicles and took the cabs of their own volition.

>> could have been like a new olympic event, synchronized intoxication, slalam your nation. >> again, no surveillance back when i was young. >> security, all they would have done is kept their stories straight. >> it would have been a good idea for them. it sounds like, shall we say, they had some female company. . >> they weren't supposed to, so they made up a story. >> i really think that's the heart of this. you think the female company was

paid? >> we didn't say that. >> i didn't say that. >> we didn't say that. >> but some people have said -- >> maybe they had girlfriends. >> in fact, i think it was -- one of them was texting on read it and saying oh, yeah, the sex parties start once the games are done. >> you're thinking of the secret service. >> we've got to run. donald trump accused hillary clinton of being anti-police. today, she met with law enforcement and took some swipes at him. that's ahead.

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♪ i love rock 'n' roll donald trump called himself the law and order candidate and accused his opponent of betraying law enforcement earlier this week. >> law and order must be restored. there's no compassion in tolerating lawless conduct for anyone. just like hillary clinton is against the miners, she is against the police. believe me. those peddling the narrative of

cops as a racist force in our society, a narrative supported with a nod by my opponent, shared directly in the responsibility for the unrest in milwaukee. >> well, clinton pushed back at trump's claims today during a meeting with police leaders and took some swipes at her opponent. >> i think it's obvious that recent events from dallas to baton rouge, milwaukee and across the country, underscore how difficult the work is ahead of us to repair the bonds of trust and respect between our police officers and our communities. we have to be clear-eyed about the challenges we face. we can't ignore them and certainly we must not inflame them. we need to work together to bridge our divides, not stoke even more divisiveness. >> a little difference in delivery. what do you make of trump's law

and order speech? >> i think this is a new tone for hillary clinton, which is very interesting, very nice. i hope she means what she's saying. let's give her the benefit of the doubt, saying we need to stop stoking the divisiveness. that would be great. let's start with the democrats. >> dana, what do you think, was it a good count punch to donald trump's speech? >> yeah, a little bit. and if you look at these police chiefs, there was a representative of los angeles, new york, tucson, and then camden county, new jersey, philly and dallas county. so all of those cities have big, significant problems. her sitting down with them, not a bad look for her. >> how about the timing of this, dana? >> her team says this was planned for a long time. i would imagine that is so, because it's hard to get that group of people on a dime like after trump's speech. i don't think that was the case. i think this was preplanned and

coincidental, but good timing for her. >> does it help alleviate the stigma from the dnc where the people were critical because she had some of the mothers up, people that have been slain by officers but nobody who had family members that police officers had been killed. >> they had some, but they did get a lot of attention when they were talking about the people who had been victimized and shot by police. there were some that there were. what matters the most is not necessarily what she says or what that picture looks like, because in a way, do you really have to read that from a piece of paper? but it depends on what these police chiefs go back and tell their -- the people that report to them. >> the rank and file. so greg, do you think when you notice -- when you look at the two of those juxtaposed, one seems very passionate. trump comes off passionate on what have of police and law enforcement. and hillary was looking down and

reading, and didn't seem as enthused. >> i'm just so happy that fidel castro leant his jacket to her. it looks great on her. i have to grow with eric on this. there's an encouraging trend going here. both candidates see the light, or are claiming to see the light that after so many years of anti-police bias, the pendulum seems to be swinging back away from emotion-based hysteria and anti-police bias to thoughtfulness. the police aren't evil, there may be some bad apples, but people are coming to their senses. but this is the aftermath of the media bias against police. what happened after that was more assaults and death through the ferguson effect. i think the ferguson effect, although it's inconclusive, people are beginning to admit that the spikes in homicides and in crime in specific cities are

due to the police cognizant of the fact that they could be in big trouble even when they try to do their job. so we realize america has the last word on this. it's not the media. it's america that says we've had enough. >> i like that. juan, do you think this was sufficient for hillary to broaden her base and do some outreach with law enforcement and their communities and those that protect and seven across the country? >> so much of this depends on who you're talking to. so i'm listening to all of you and i'm thinking it's time for a word from another planet, which is non-white america. because non-white america says why is clinton playing footsie with the cops when we're so anxious for somebody to acknowledge the reality that there's excessive force used against black people in this country by cops. it's not a new problem. but just like we talked about the benefit of video surveillance, it's come to

america's attention because now you can see it. you know, aftermath, hands up, don't shoot, turned out to be bogus, all of that conversation. so that's why you had the mother's movement on the stage at the democratic national convention. so clinton said maybe white america can put the shoes only of some poor black people and realize the cops are portrayed as the thin blue line between the folks that trump was talking about 40 miles away and people who live there and are trying to say, we need cops to protect us. i know i need cops in d.c. to protect me. i don't want cops to beat me up or shoot my kids. >> you can have legitimate arguments like that without relying on false information. >> correct. but what you get is a situation

that boils up and you get black lives matter. now, i have lots of -- they have no real information. they have no agenda. and when leadership, congressional leadership, obama, anybody, local police, when they say let's talk, they're like, we don't want to talk. they don't even want police. are they out of their mind? >> what does that show you? why do you give audience to people who talk crazy like that? >> they're taking advantage of a legitimate root grieveance. what everybody is saying she's reaching out now to white america, who might respond positively to trump's message, i'm the law and order guy, saying no, i like police and law and order, but i don't

appreciate people who would ignore the legitimate grievance coming from the black community. >> should she have that same concern sitting down with black lives matter? >> when she was with the naacp, she said it doesn't serve anyone well when you're shooting at police. she said to the naacp, when you shoot at the police, she said you're shooting at all of us. that's the truth. >> the voters will decide. ahead, the story behind this heartbreaking image of a little boy injured by an air strike in syria. it's put a spotlight back on the civil war in the country and the obama administration's failed foreign policy, coming up next. genuine parts guarantee, that promises to fix your bike with original parts. talk to an allstate agent about all the things they do to keep riders riding. hhis stellar notebooks will last through june. get back to great. this week sharpie twelve-packs just three dollars.

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♪ home sweet home five years ago today, president obama called for syria's leader bahar al assad to step aside and we remember his empty red line promises that followed. >> a red line for us is we start

seei whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. the world is watching. if you make the mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences, and you will be held accountable. i have made clear that the use of chemical weapons is a game changer. >> hillary clinton also called for assad to go five years ago as secretary of state. >> the transition to democracy in syria has begun and it's time for assad to get out of the way. the people of syria deserve a government that respects their dignity, protects their rights, and lives up to their aspirations. assad is standing in their way. for the sake of the syrian people, the time has come for him to step aside. >> so where are we now? assad remains in power because the obama administration failed to make him go. isis has risen and syria has

spiraled into a bloody civil war. hundreds of thousands of lives have been lost, thousands of them children. these haunting images of a little boy harmed by an air strike in aleppo yesterday are a reminder of the horrors overseas. he's 5 years old, he was rescued from the bubble of a destroyed building with his family, covered with dust, blood drying on his face, his left eye swollen shut and he's in a state of severe shock. as a father, an american, and as a human being, it's heartbreaking to see these images. they're calling this the image that shocked the world. >> but the thing about this picture, this is the one that we can show you. there are thousands of children that you can't show because their bodies we cannot depict because they're dead. we have to be honest about this when we talk about what side you should be on, because we had this debate five years ago. people at this table says we are not intonation building, this is not our fight. then others that say we have to

do something. and america is in a possible situation. if we don't do something, we are damned. if we do do something and there's collateral damage, we create children like that. we hit hospitals. the moment we go, we open ourselves up. i think we must do something -- >> i agree. >> it's impossible to be an isolationist when you see, by pure luck of where you are born, this is what happens. i was born in san mateo, not syria, that is pure luck. >> what i want to say is that this is, you know, the byproduct of it. we should have done something when we said we were going to. when you have a president that draws a red line and does nothing is feckless. isis is now operational in 28 countries, okay? so the fact that they were called the j.v. team, the fact

that we didn't follow up when we drew the red line, it's awful. i mean, this is the result. when you look at that picture there, it should tell you how much has gone wrong over this failed foreign policy of barack obama. you have to ask do you want four more years of that? >> you were one of the first to point out that red line he didn't follow up on was going to haunt him and it seems to be. >> and now the next president will have to, as well. i call it the day president obama wrecked the world. i think there are consequences for actions, but also consequences for inaction. 450,000 innocent people have been killed. now you have russia trying to do our work, but they're helping assad, and they're using iranian air bases to do so. sometimes you can lead from so far behind that you end up kicking your own rear end. the other thing about this picture of the little boy. there was another picture of two years ago, a boy that washed up

on shore. that's when we talked about the refugee crisis. the refugee crisis that is affecting your right now and destroying communities. it is tearing europe apart. that could have been prevented if we acted. that again, hindsight is 2020. we might be complaining about what he did or didn't do at that time, but i also believe that the next -- that president obama should do what he could when he can to set up the next president for at least some sort of action that they can take in action. >> juan, i think you and i may have been the people who said we're not intonation building and maybe this isn't our fight. >> well, the question is, are the american people war wary after what's gone on in iraq and afghanistan and questions about exactly what we can and can't do. the congress could not authorize president obama, as much as

president obama was responsible. he slowed down and went to congress. >> the key point on that one is he didn't need their permission to do it. congress said we believe that you have the authorization to do it to fight terrorism. >> that was the republicans who said that. the reason he slowed down is because of the political resistance in this country from both sides, everybody being a little leery of getting into another conflict, he wanted congress behind him and congress couldn't go. but i'm with eric on this. i saw that picture and thought how can we not do anything to help that little guy? by the way, it turns out he has no brain injury, he's been discharged, back with his mother and father. he's got a 1, 6, and 11-year-old siblings. but i would point out that i think at this point the key is that the bombing that took place was done apparently by the russians, who are going after now people opposed to assad.

this is madness. >> and i've been with you on this, as well. but those think the void, the vacuum that was left in place by obama not doing anything was filled by isis and the russians. >> and by the way, the russians now -- >> and we spent $1 billion to train the free syrian army. another obama foreign policy failure. remember that $400 million cash payment to the mullahs on the same day four american prisoners were released? the white house denied it was ransom money, but today, the state department has essentially admitted it. >> i've characterized the central finding of the story, which was that the -- that the payment of the $400 million was not done until after the prisoners were released, i'm not disputing that. >> you're saying that you wouldn't give them the $400 million in cash until the

prisoners were released, correct? >> that's correct. >> whoopsy. all right, dana, what did we just hear there? >> unpack it. >> remember when president obama did his press conference, you silly people, we already talked about this. i think in their brains they could rationalize it. we had already made the deal with iran. we already said their money was going to be released. we already knew we were going to get our prisoners back, and it just happened to happen on the same day. who cares? it matter it is the rest of the world believes you paid money for prisoners, american prisoners. but secondly, i don't understand their extreme need for so much secrecy. why not just be transparent about it up front? now it looks like they're caught in another situation of trying to make their iran deals look better than it is. >> i can't believe i'm going to do this, but i might defend the deal in the sense that if i were

them, i would have been honest and say we didn't pay for the prisoners. we got them back. this deal was done. we owed the $500 million from the seizure from the iran hostage crisis in 1979. we were supposed to send it over and we said, we're not going to send it to you until we get these people back. and iran says we're not part of the deal. well, we did it. i would have come out and said, we screwed iran on this. but instead, they played secrecy and they look stupid. >> yeah, there's no excuse or justification that they lied about it. that's the thing. my god, we're not supposed to negotiate with terrorists or state sponsors of terrorism like iran. we throw so much money at them. they screw us, can i say that? every time. it's just unbelievable. it's like we don't learn. it's like, why are we doing this? the u.s. is giving money, all of

that money just went to groups like hezbollah and hamas and people that commit acts of terror. unbelievable. >> are we opening it up for more americans for taken for ransom money? >> not at all. i don't think we paid ransom. but this is a situation where americans, you know, i think were not clear up front, and they should have been up front about it that we're not giving you the money, which was a separate negotiation. but we're not giving you the money until we're comfortable. what we're seeing today is people who don't like the iran deal, they're using this to attack the administration. >> why -- who makes that deal without getting our fbi about back and he is in fact there? i can't take it. >> they're yelling at me. next, driverless cars may soon be coming to a road near you. but is america prepared for the

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♪ people to order self-driving cars from their phones. ford says it will have a fully driverless sedan ready to roll in just five years. hooray and the opposite of hooray. hooray because a driverless car reduces human error. as for distracted teens and drunks, their hands won't be behind a wheel. in a perfect world, we would have automated politicians and judges, too.

as for job less, technology does that. just ask any artisinal weaver. and remember, the first robots freed all classes from the time-consuming labors of home life. they were once called appliances. which leads to the down side, free time. as a human, we ask one question each morning when you get up, what will you do? the difficulty of that answer directly affects the effort needed to get out of bed. when you know what to do, you're up before the alarm. but ambivalence brings paralysis. we've all been there. so as -- so what will you do? hope and pray the answer isn't nothing. so, eric, you drive a lot. >> a lot. >> is it going to be hard to relinquish control?

>> i can't wait for driverless cars. i know the moral dilemma of driving off a cliff to save the dog, i get that. but they'll fix that. in the meantime, i think we're on a path of saving lives. but more important -- not more importantly, but equally as important, as the technology progresses, so does our productively and we'll be a smarter, wealthier world, and it's good. i'm all for it. i'm all for technology exceeding and pushing forward. >> i'm for it, i'm just scared of robots. but dana, speaking of -- a little joke there. about the free time, that there will be fewer jobs, people will have more time to do stuff. what happens when nobody is working anymore, do we turn

hobbies and paid occasions, could you get paid to play chess? >> or learning to play tennis. remember when nancy pelosi said this is going to free you up to pursue things you want to do. the problem is, nobody does those things. the other thing is the cost benefit analysis in terms of job loss, truck drivers, taxi cab drivers, that is something we should also try to think about. another good point you didn't mention, this would give senior citizens more mobility. if you get older and can't drive, a driverless car would allow you to visit your friends or go to the doctor, et cetera. >> that's nice. >> it is nice. i think kimberly, will you use a driverless car? >> no. let me tell you something, you know what really freaks me out?

the car, you just press the button, the keyless. it makes me nervous, because i feel like -- that's what i do. i don't know why. i'm betting better about it. but i didn't love that. >> when you push that kitten across the country gets a small, electric shock. >> juan? >> i'm interested in the numbers on this, because i saw in the polling, 48% of americans say great idea, 50% say no, don't do this. i got to believe it's the seniors that will be liberated. but the other part of it, is and i'm so surprised that robot fearing gutfeld didn't bring this up, what happens when the hackers get involved? the hackers come -- >> and they drive you off the cliff. >> they can control. and it will be fleets, like they're doing in pittsburgh with all the uber cars.

so what if somebody hacks the uber network and starts sending those cars to dana's house? >> the elderly and the handicap people -- >> plus, after you get home after a night out, you don't have to drive the babysitter home. >> okay, we're going. next, we take on internet trolls, those users who have nothing else to do in life besides post hateful messages about my glasses online. you know who you are. i've been reading every one of them.

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♪ the internet is a remarkable place, but it can have its down sides. with the free flow of information also comes the free flow of opinions, and not everyone is engaging in polite discourse online. there are a lot of these so-called trolls using the web to threaten and to harass. >> greg. >> "time" magazine has a new cover story about it. there's so much interest here. so greg, i'll just open the door. >> a troll online means one less troll outside and you can ignore a troll online, you can't on the subway. there should be a test. if you don't know you're a troll, when you tweet, do you tweet sometimes in all caps? do you mention somebody's

attribute? do you use the "b" word towards a woman. do you find pictures of obama dressed in native gear amusing? that makes you a troll. now, you can tweet at me whatever you want and i can diagnose it. i understand the troll disorder better than anybody. >> recently, this guy at breitbart, he got banned, because he went after this black woman who was in "ghostbusters" so aggressively. >> they banned him for life. and npr, they have eliminated all of their comment sections on their website because it just got so hateful. >> what's interesting is they say about 55% of the people who -->

>> >> that's what i'm saying -- >> 51% of the population, right? >> you would think that women would discuss it with other women. [ overlapping speakers ] >> what drives me crazy is when they say in their twitter profile, i'm a christian, and then there's like -- somebody wished me to die today. >> and their description is always like, god fearing, a grandfather. >> poem are very unhappy. >> they've driving us out of here. "one more thing" up next. p, gres recognition. you got any trophies, cowboy? ♪ whoomp there it is uh, yeah... well, uh, well there's this one. >>best insurance mobile app? yeah, two years in a row. >>well i'll be...

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it's time now for "one more thing." >> before you can get in an airplane, dispose of your glass and bottles. in aspen, they have a new twist. take a look at this. it's the new pot dispensary where you can drop your pot in there so you don't do anything illegal, in case you're flying to a state that doesn't allow pot. >> and who taking it? >> i guess the people getting off the mean go right to that pot dispensary. >> kimberly? >> so glad this is something i didn't have to worry about. this is a man loses his phone during the bungee jump.

it gives new meaning to the phrase "drop call." >> ahhhhh! yeah! oh [ bleep ]! i dropped my phone! >> i mean, it's so funny. of course, a nice irishman with the gaelic accent. that was in south africa, by the way. >> i've got a good story about the olympics. three u.s. women made history last night in rio, placing one, two, and three in the 100-meter hurdles. rihanna rollins took the cold. it's a historic win, the first sweep in history for u.s. women. so congratulations. >> go, ladies! >> they crushed it.

>> juan, you're next. >> so dana and her husband, peter, our producer, we went to see a play this week "the curious incident of the dog." it's about a british team who has autism, and this has been an increase in recent years in the number of people who report autism. but it's still a mystery how it originates. it's unique to every person. to you the research is focusing on dna dysfunction. but i thought this is such a great play, because it was about how you see the world differently, and that's what really opened my eyes. more's someone with great talent but saw the world so differently. >> very nice, juan. >> just a reminder that the mclaughlin group's final episode is this weekend. they decided not to go on after the massing of john mclaughlin, who was a brilliant man, pioneered panel shows like this. if it wasn't for the mclaughlin

group, there would probably be no "the five." so you can thank john mclaughlin or, i don't know. >> or not. >> set your dvr so you never miss an episode of "the five." that's it for us. "special report" is next. this is a fox news alert. we're getting reports right now out of rio de janeiro that american swimmers ryan lochte and james feigen have been indicted for falsely claiming they were robbed at gunpoint over the weekend. steve harrigan is live in rio. good evening, steve. >> reporter: shannon, keep in mind that the six-time gold medal winner ryan lochte is already in the u.s. that's not the case for the other three swimmers, including james feigen. he's still here in brazil. his passport has been seized, and now he faces possible charges on filing an illegal police report, a false report. such a charge could carry re