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lean on a phone and periscope. sandra: what happens on the couch stays on the couch. kennedy: including self-tanner. harris: i would not know about that. sandra: the countdown is on, fewer than 80 days from now, republican presidential nominee donald trump continuing to stay on message. he stuck to the teleprompter at rally in virginia. watch? >> crime will do -- go down and law and order will be restored to the united states of america. we're going to put our american workers first. we're going to put our people first. the gop is the party of abraham lincoln. and i want our party to be the home of the african-american voter once again. i want a totally inclusive

country, and i want an inclusive party. sandra: trump's speech and his performance over the past week getting rave reviews from his new campaign manager, kellyanne conway. >> this is the best week i think so far in the trump campaign, mostly because he is able to be himself, the authentic donald trump, but also pivot he made on substance, george. he is out there talking about law enforcement. he is out there talking about defeating terrorism and middle class tax relief. >> we heard all that before. >> not really because there are specific plans. sandra: reince priebus thinks it will have effect on polls. >> he has been on message. he has shown maturity as a candidate. he is getting into a groove. these polls will begin to tighten, next couple weeks, by labor day or thereafter, i think you will be back to an even race if we continue down this path. sandra: lots of positivity

coming out of the trump campaign. kellyanne conway calling last week his best week. reince priebus saying he is on message, acting mature. what do you make of all this. >> if donald trump would give the same speech now every day throughout the election -- sandra: can he? >> i think he will be the next president of the united states. the choice is so stark and different. do you want somebody from the outside to revive america or want the old, tried, true, tired hillary clinton? then that is a huge difference in choice in this election. sandra: let's talk timing, because, harris you keep the calendar up and crossing off the days. there are 77 days left until the election. harris: yes. sandra: right now hillary clinton, "real clear politics" she is leading by five 1/2 points. is there time for a turnaround? harris: abs shoutly time for a lot of time of change. that is not the date i'm looking forward to. the first debate. five weeks from that. that is where 40% of the people who self identify as

independents, bigger chunk. electorate that hasn't made up their mind will pay attention. that means it is not too late for anybody. if you look at polling iowa, someplace double digits, add in jill stein or gary johnson, to the favor of donald trump. i don't see the other people going away. things will tighten. kennedy: i think it is interesting. a lot of mainstream outlets assumed with gary johnson in the race it would tank trump's chances even further, in utah, so incredibly close. that is why i think five points right now this far out, that, we've seen massive changes in shifts in both of their numbers in 30-day periods. i won't be surprised to see that happen again. sandra: can he stay on message though, is what everybody is asking? to your point. he has gotten on message. he is talking policy. delivering speeches from a teleprompter. a lot of supporters were big fans of last week. can that continue or will he say something else?

melissa: i think he is on a diet and one day at a time avoiding cheesecake and looking at polls to see if it is working. he has to stay on message. he thinks it is rewarding. he is getting better press, better feedback. a lot will depend on the polls. if they don't improve he won't stay on. sandra: look at groups he still struggles with, women being one of them. african-americans being another of the he made a direct appeal. he asked them give me a chance, vote for me. what did you make of that? >> first thing i don't think donald trump has miss ad cheesecake yet, i take some issue with that i do like the fact he is out there doing what earned him the nomination. he is talking about how he wants to make america great again. just simple, basic things people are looking for. to believe in that person. i think shows it with sincerity. when he does that, there is a reason why he gets record sized crowds. there is a reason why millions of people showed up to vote for him in the primary.

remember, he got millions of more people to come out to vote for him than mitt romney and other people before. harris: than anybody else. one thing i would say talking about raise, bringing in the color green to that conversation, because you and i are always talking about that, if you talk cash to people of any color you got their attention. but so, forces hillary clinton to talk about the economy and to try to identify with the every man or woman which she knows she has problem with that second part at least, if not both but forces another area where she is having challenge, the hashtag "black lives matter." the blacks out there who don't feel like she is listening to them. they haven't been happy with anybody, by the way. if donald trump puts out a message based on the jobs and economy, he forces her into two zones where she might not be that comfortable. kennedy: she essentially had monopoly on ad buys. not only having favorable press coverage because she is not doing press conferences, she

gets to cherry-pick how she gets her message out there. she is buying more ads. she needed his stomach else -- stumbles to bolster her own polls. harris: that is a fair point. >> he doesn't give her that and makes more ad buys and more effective commercials with the economy, with isis and some other areas where he polls stronger, if he does that untildebates, if he sees, that one not necessarily to the election but before the first presidential debate he could definitely shift momentum in his favor. he has to be so incredibly disciplined. that brings up the ultimate question, can he do it? can he stay on the diet more than a week. melissa: i thought his message on money and inner cities and communities was interesting, basically saying how is it working for you now. harris: what do you have to lose? >> the response in the press was so interesting. there were a lot of different outlets that put out blogs and this, that, other thing, tweets, isn't this eloquent, look what

he thinks, look how he pitches these people, insulting them while pitching them. funny to watch response from media. when you actually listened to speech he was saying, how is this working for you? harris: talking to people of color who are struggling which i have, obviously. their answer back, can anybody get me a job? sandra: talk about the leadership changes because kellyanne conway is on board and stephen bannon. is this going to make -- will we see a clear difference in the campaign from the moment forward? >> hey, so far so good it is working well. the other factor that is out there is mike pence. mike pence is going to places like utah where there are stories being tighter. he is coming at the end. week. mike pence is pulling his weight. not a distraction. as he goes into local markets he drives home blessage. he is exceptional communicator and doing what he needs to do too. harris: he may go some of the area where she stopped spending money taking them for granted in the middle of the country. if there is a tightening, won't

that be interesting, because she won't have been there but -- >> there is an enthusiasm gap too on the democratic side. there is just not this groundswell of people -- harris: they went home because bernie got out. >> that's right. enthusiasm gap is a real phenomenon for her. kennedy: closed primary states on democratic side there was lower voter turnout. that goes to show you, whatever hillary democrat is, they're not legion enough to really be driving a revolution or a message and you know, i think, obviously there is going to be a massively different expression of voting in november than there was in the primaries but i think those closed primaries can give you a little bit -- harris: you hit on somebody, i heard you talk about something, melissa, what is a hillary democrat? what is she selling? she is compartmentalizing doing identity politics with women and people of color so forth, what is her answer back to make america great again? whatever it would be.

she wouldn't have one for bernie either. melissa: state department, we're hearing more, she will be selling the white house when she gets into the white house, that is one of the messages being driven home. we'll hear more about emails and foundation coming forward. harris: those people without jobs, doesn't do anything for them. melissa: no. no. sandra: speaking of which, just keeps coming, just this morning the justice department is saying the fbi found nearly 15,000 new emails from hillary clinton's time as secretary of state. on friday, a federal judge ordering clinton to answer questions in writing under oath as part of a lawsuit. plus we're learning one of her reported claims to the fbi may be falling apart. right after the show catch more from the couch join the live chat clicking overtime tab at foxnews.com/outnumbered. facebook.com/outnumberedfnc. tweet us your questions, and

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♪ harris: new developments in the hillary clinton email scandal. the fbi is uncovering nearly 15,000 clinton emails never turned over to the government after she left office. despite her insistence that she had handed over all work-related messages. also a federal judge is ordering clinton to answer questions in writing under oath, as part of a lawsuit by the conservative group "judicial watch." it is seeking answers about her use of a private server while secretary of state. yesterday clinton's campaign manager dodged questions about whether her answers will be released publicly before the election. instead, blasting "judicial watch." take a watch. >> the right-wing and republicans in congress are not satisfied with the answer that the career professionals at fbi and justice department gave. they said there was no case here.

this is just another example of a right-wing group, just trying to keep this, the questions coming. >> sounds like a no? >> as i said, as soon as she receives the question, if the judge asks her to answer questions she will get to work right away. harris: have details about that coming up. anyway, former secretary of state colin powell is now pushing back, after "the new york times" reported that clinton told the fbi powell urged her to use a private email account on the job. he says he doesn't recall any conversation about that, but told the "new york post," quote, the truth is, she was using it, her personal email for a year before i sent her a memo telling her what i did during my term as secretary of state. her people have been trying to pin it all on me. powell's comments raising new questions whether clinton lied to the fbi. wow, there is a lot to get to there. let's start with the beginning. she will be under oath, something she was not when she

sat down in front of the fbi, which is not out of the ordinary but pointing it out and no recording devices. why anybody wanted to know what was said somebody would write a note comey or someone else wrote out. >> this is improvement. what i have literally in washington, d.c., down in the basement, what is the skiff -- harris: you were hanging out? >> i went through and read so-called 302. i went through that i can't talk about the content. kennedy: were you surprised the content? >> i was surprised the fbi redacted as much they had. i was surprised, classified information, highly sensitive and so classified, so sensitive even i as chairman of the oversight committee don't have proper security clearance to read it. she was saying she never exchanged and traded emails that had no classified information in it, which is totally not true. i'm surprised there is not much more detail. now to hear that there are

according to "the washington post," 15,000 additional emails nobody ever heard of. she createdded this mess. this gentleman, whoever he is, tried to blame it on colin powell. harris: robby mook. >> congressional republicans -- harris: he has a nickname. used to be helping her on the campaign as the mook mafia guy. >> just suggests, she created this convenient experiment with herself. it was the inspector general who made the criminal referral to the fbi to start this criminal probe. so there is, this is something that she did to herself, not republicans. sandra: one of the key questions they're obviously going to ask her some form or another, why did you do this? >> right. sandra: we don't really know, what do you think her answer will actually be? >> well, i think the truth of the matter is, she did it to create a pathway where her documents would not become public record. she was trying to avoid this whole thing. now the fbi director saying he didn't bring charges because he

couldn't find intent but -- harris: he couldn't prove it. >> he couldn't prove intent. i think intent is there. she set up the server on same day she started her senate confirmation hearings. she didn't just go get a gmail can. she literally set up own server in the basement of her house. i agree with the fbi's director's assessment she was not sophisticated that was his sworn testimony. harris: he wasn't even that kind. kennedy: can i ask you something as sit den, stop going after her for every little thing. don't go after perjury stuff at benghazi hearing. don't go after her powell comment. wait for bigger investigation like the clinton foundation. every single time congress goes after her and -- sandra: congress wouldn't be doing their job. kennedy: i understand that -- harris: you want congress not to do their job? kennedy: no, what i want hem to do if you're trying it somehow

show this person has a pathological inability to tell the truth, then you know, putting her to task in trial for every single thing only makes her look like a victim t allows her to feel more emboldened and more entitled. >> no. if somebody comes and testifies before congress and they give false, misleading statements, that is a against the law. and for the fbi -- kennedy: you guys investigate go after single person that perjures themselves? >> we should. for the fbi director to testify after year-long investigation they never even looked at her under oath testimony, come on. you got to be kidding me. that is ridiculous. melissa: as the emails come out, every time they come out they show something we didn't know before, which leads back to the clinton foundation. that was the last thing we saw the quid pro quo. pay for play. that is what voters hearing about. harris: drip, drip, is always complicated to everybody, right? especially this close to the election. it will be interesting to see how she answers back.

the nugget i would add, you can't ask a follow-up question when it is in writing. melissa: that was judge's decision. harris: advantage hillary clinton, depending on what her original answers are. we'll watch it. we'll cover it as it happens. in a cornerstone of his campaign but questions on mr. trump's position on deporting more than 11 million illegal immigrants. he says, there is no flip-flopping on this. but will we see a tweak to that controversial plan? and the battle rages on over that cash payment to iran, you know, quote, unquote, leverage. but don't call it ransom. democrats continue to deny it was ransom for hostages but republicans are demanding answers about the cash. our own #oneluckyguy is one of those people. the congressman weighs in. you are busy. ♪ ♪

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♪ melissa: new questions surrounding a central tenet of

donald trump's campaign. reports swirling that he could be waivering on plans to deport 11 million illegal immigrants. following a meeting with hispanic advisory council he where he reportedly said he was willing to change his mind. he was with maria bartiromo this morning and ask if mr. trump was changing his tune. >> what mr. trump said in the actual meeting differed not one iota in the convention speech or what he said previously, which he wants a fair and humane way of dealing with 11 million who live among us and at at sim time he wants to secure the border, build the wall and wants to be very fair to americans workers who feel like they are competing for these jobs now. melissa: in an interview yesterday, conway said whether or not a deportation force would be part of the plan is, quote, to be determined. today the campaign including mr. trump himself saying whatever the final plan is this is not a flip-flop.

>> no, i'm not flip-flopping. we want to come up with a really fair but firm answer. it has to be very firm. but we want to come up with something fair. melissa: what do you make of that? how do you interpret that language? what do you think they're really doing there? >> no. i think he is doing the right thing. all we ask is to enforce the current law. there is force supposed to be involved in this, i.c.e., immigrations customs enforcement. ero does the removal process. the problem i have are the 66,000 criminal aliens, people here illegally, committed a crime, got convicted, ordered to leave the country and they didn't leave the country. what i would hope mr. trump would do is work with congress and focus first and foremost on the criminal element and get them out of this country. melissa: should that be his message, harris? harris: that could be part of his message. i'm curious why congress needs to be notified to get illegals out. >> it is already the law. harris: just category you mentioned, the actual people who have broken the law here and

need to go home, isn't that a matter -- melissa: might be funding issue. harris: probably funding and optics issue with the current administration. there are a lot of people getting tossed out of the country, to the obama administration credit he has done some of that, the president, but according to you, the numbers we're looking at, we have lot of people here sitting under laws as they sit need to be ajudicated and sent home. >> those 66,000 people i talked about, convicted, convicted of crimes, in possession of the united states of america, released in the homeland as opposed to deported overseas. we have series of meetings. under the law the state department is not supposed to issue visas to countries that won't take people we're trying to deport. melissa: why are you have are hearings about it? harris: get rid of them. melissa: if they're in america's possession to commit a crime? >> because this administration under barack obama and hillary clinton and secretary kerry,

they don't deport people. they release them into the homeland. harris: go get them. get i.c.e. to go get them. >> we don't have the handcuffs. administration does. melissa: if you committed a felony, there is some moral obligation to make sure these people don't recommit crimes. and it's, i don't like this part of the conversation makes it seems like everyone who came over the bored illegally is somehow a criminal like that. that is not the case. harris: exactly. these are convictions. kennedy: no one wants to commit assault or murder or rape to be in this country. lock them up or if you have agreement to send them back where they're from, hand them over to law enforcement. if you're tossing them over the fence, see you, bro, thank you for coming. harris: tell you how bad we're at a at that. gitmo. we send people someplace they try to but they can't don't have agreements in place and it's a hot mess. sandra: let me ask you a hypothetical though. we aredays from the actual

election. early voting starts earlier than that, if in an effort to reach out to more voters he and his campaign chose to soften stance on immigration, i think you will tell me they will not, if they did choose the best course of action what is impact on campaign? >> i don't think they are, i don't think they will. there is reason donald trump became the nominee, in large part because he said he was actually going to enforce the laws on the books. these 66,000 people, not all the 11 million, but criminal element, do not get deported. they go back out and commit murders and duis and sexual assaults. you would think it is easy to deport them. but this administration doesn't do that. america gets it. that is in large part why donald trump actually became the nominee. i expect him to do what he said and enforce the laws on the books. we have hears because the administration isn't enforcing laws. kennedy: if laws are not good you have to change them. >> they were properly funded.

immigration customs enforcement, homeland security tried to repurpose over $100 million away from the deportations into other areas. harris: melissa, asks a great question, is it about money. >> it is not about money. they have been properly funded. they are giving money to other things. they don't have the political will. kennedy: budgets have gone up. battle intensifies on capitol hill, speaking of money, over the cash payment to iran especially after the obama administration acknowledged the $400 million was contingent on release of american prisoners. democrats are refusing to call it ransom even as the state department admits the money was used as quote, leverage. maryland senator ben cardin defending the payment this way. >> clearly what was done here we paid money that we owed. we would have to pay the money. it was clear and to the extent that had anything to do with hostages i think secretary kerry made it clear the money would not be released unless our hostages back home.

what they're saying is, no, not paying ransom. we won't do that you about we made it clear, we understand we owed the money and we'll have to pay the money but we want to make sure our people are protected. kennedy: several lawmakers are demanding answers. our one lucky guy, jason chaffetz asking john kerry to appear before the committee. comparing to a drug dealer, saying quote, we can't have president of the united states acting like drug dealer in chief giving clean packs of money to state sponsor of terror. the 500 euro notes will pop up all across the middle east. we'll see problems with multiple country because of that money given to them. it clearly was ransom payment. we owe them a debt from 37 years ago. why did that have to be paid within minutes of hostage release? how is that not ransom.

>> if you put it in a movie nobody would believe it. took pallets of cash in foreign country, put them on airplane, flew that on to a runway. once it was there, they released hostages. it as absolutely ransom payment. secretary of state should come before congress. we did have questions to the white house about the whole iranian deal. i don't think anybody understands it. melissa: what are some of your questions? what would you ask him? >> how much did we pay? separate from the billion plus dollars, how much money did the american taxpayers give back to iran? the president says it was 150 billion. the secretary said 100 billion. the treasury secretary said it was 3 billion. does anybody know answer to that question? remember, iran is largest, the biggest, state sponsor of terrorism in the country. melissa: critics say it was their money. we're giving them back their money. how do you respond to that? >> i don't believe when you uncover the totality of deal did

we get repayment for instance, when they destroyed our embassy? how much did that cost? i want us to understand the details. i just want to expose it. we were supposed to have after that ben rhodes article came out we were supposed to have him come to congress agreed to do it. literally hours before our hearing they came back and said, there is separation of powers issue. we asked secretary kerry to come to the committee. he said he was out of the country. he was not out of the country, at final showing of "hamilton." we ask he come in the first two weeks we're back in session in september. we expect the secretary to come and answer these hard questions. harris: ben rhodes was too busy giving interviews to the media. >> the same day we wanted to have him. kennedy: you mean echo chamber. harris: very quickly basic question, hearing you lay it all out really stands out, why i the world of doing a deal that gave them upwards of 150 billion, had a ticktock all throughout all things iran said it wanted, a side deal list with

we have never seen -- >> we don't foe what it is. harris: why would you need leverage for our men to come home? why would you need leverage? kennedy: idol question, if we released some of their prisoners, do we get money? >> good point. harris: we did. i guess you have to figure out what the, what they were worth and -- kennedy: if that is not quid pro quo, why is the money, that shows weak negotiation if the deal -- harris: we still have americans there by the way. two now. >> i don't think donald trump would put up with this at all, tell you that. you know what? any democrat who defends the president on this to explain the deal, they can't because they don't have the degree of specificity that the american people deserve. that is all we ask. sandra: we know hearing multiple times congressman duffy from wisconsin last week, demanding all records, government officials who authorized the payments, what do you expect at end of the day to come of all that?

that is due august 24th. >> want the truth and light. president promised we would be the most open and transparent administration since dinosaurs roamed the earth and fallen short on every single front. harris: i do know more about dinosaurs than i did seven years ago. kennedy: if it is not ransom what is it? they're all ryan lochte. using different words that mean something else. hi. [laughter]. just kidding. hillary clinton's last press conference was 261 days ago and counting. yet her campaign manager boasting about all the tv interviews she gives. heck, she is sitting down with jimmy kimmel today. that is just like a press conference. all those fastballs. no, for someone who wants to be president is this acceptable? we will discuss and debate. it is "outnumbered." ♪ when you've been making delicious natural cheese

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♪ sandra: summer is almost over. can you believe it? harris: no. sandra: hillary clinton has yet to hold a formal news conference this entire election year. clinton's campaign manager robby mook being asked on "face the nation, why the democratic nominee failed to face reporters in 261 days but

who is keeping track? harris: we are. sandra: mook saying clinton has done plenty of interviews. watch. >> we went and counted and she has been in more than 300 interviews with reporters this year alone. and she has been on your show, and we'll continue to do that. there are a lot of different formats which she engage with reporters, whether one-on-one interviews. whether talking with her traveling press reporters. or a press conference. we're going to look at all of those as we move forward. but i don't think it is fair to say that someone is shying away from tough questions when they have taken over 300 interviews from reporters. sandra: so her, camp, congressman, is pushing she has done hundreds of interviews here. does that suffice? is that in place of press conferences? that is completely different animal? >> you want to see a candidate on their toes for about an hour answering questions, volleying back and forth, and allowing reporters the opportunity to

follow up, because that is the problem we see with hillary clinton is. she is not quick on her feet. she does need to be scripted. when she doesn't have her attorneys and her campaign team around her, you wonder if she is capable of answering tough questions over an hour-long setting. sandra: one-on-one interview, melissa, someone of your choosing, network of your choosing. >> prenegotiated. sandra: or dozens of reporters firing off questions? melissa: that is very different. when she gives an interview, does it so rarely, makes the person interviewing her feel like special privilege. however this goes, depends whether you get this again. there is a lot of pressure as opposed to a press conference, you're volleying questions at the person who is there, and get the opportunity to follow up. much more dangerous. we saw how she performed last time. i think it was, what do you mean? like wipe it with a cloth? sandra: award winning journalist, harris, i love to brag about my friend, remind you

of this picture, flashlight on my pen goes off. picture of her in massachusetts, remember this? new hampshire, roping off. harris: i remember. sandra: roping off the press. harris: velvet rope tour i think it was france. many have done it. kennedy: janet jackson. harris: janet jackson did it, yes. this is your fifth campaign. >> yes. harris: you have experience. >> utah press corps is not as intense. sandra: what are you saying? they will get you next time. harris: mr. chaffetz, mr. chaffetz! sandra: he is going, oh, no. >> [inaudible]. it is far different. compare that to donald trump. donald trump does this with such regularity -- sandra: it helps him, right? >> sometimes. he -- if you want an open and transparent government which is the way we're supposed to do things in the united states of america, you have got to have a commander-in-chief who can

answer tough questions. sandra: tell potential voters what they need to hear to vote for you. why would you -- first amendment. she despises the press. she looks down upon the press. melissa is absolutely right. she has, i guarranty you the softballs she gets from people like andrea mitchell, chuck todd, whatever his name is, great beard. big fan. anyhow, you know that she gives them a list of questions. oh, your highness this is wonderful. i will ask all of these to do this again in three months. they're not tough. she is not grilled, and point of the press conference, it's a completely different animal. because you do have follow-up questions. and you know, that is also when you get new stories. harris: yes. kennedy: i understand her campaign wants to keep her from that. that is a big sign of weakness on her part. that is something she has to overcome. harris: i say it is one of donald trump's best formats, because one completely oppositional to what we see from her. it is a selling point.

melissa: until he makes a mistake. there are a lot of things as sandra said, where the news is made. that is where it comes out. sometimes it works. harris: do you forgiven a little bit or extra ground because he is willing to take questions? melissa: i don't know. i don't know. maybe. there you go. he should be because he is braver but then gets burned for it sometimes and she looks smart. there you go. kennedy: they play gotcha. a lot of members of the press who know they can get a -- harris: that's true. sandra: congressman is sitting down. we'll put a microphone at your next news conference. president obama is back at work and planning to head to louisiana tomorrow where thousands have been affected by daily flooding. but donald trump was already there. the republican presidential nominee says mr. obama's trip is too late. is he right? should the president have cut his vacation short? (ray) i'd like to see

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sandra: more "outnumbered" in just a moment. first jenna lee with second hour of "happening now." >> we're awaiting a press briefing with josh earnest expecting on the president's trip to flood ravaged louisiana and his campaign plans.

could get a judge's ruling that the state department rush review of more than 14,000 e-mails recovered from the fbi for clinton email server. you're talking a little bit about that. catherine herridge reporting on that at top of the hour. we'll hear from an e.r. doctor who happens to be pregnant about the threat from zika virus. first day back to school, we'll be talking about the threats not only for women that are pregnant but family overall. that is question we'll tackle top of the hour. sandra: jenna, thank you. harris: president obama's two-week long vacation is over. he is back at work now and planning to visit louisiana tomorrow we're told. some critics though say mr. obama is not right not cutting short his trip to martha's vineyard to go to baton rouge right after flooding hit especially after donald trump visited last week. the republican presidential nominee toured the damage and offered words of support to victims and volunteers. trump weighed in on the president's upcoming trip. >> i think next week is too late.

tuesday is too late. i think you go. what you do is tell your golf buddies tomorrow morning that you won't be able to make it. hop into the plane and go down to louisiana and see what is going on because it's a mess. harris: but the governor of louisiana continues to defend mr. obama. >> i asked him to let us get out of the response mode where we were still conducting searches of houses. we were still making rescues. i didn't want to divert the police officers, sheriffs deputies and state troopers and other essential resources and assets to providing security for the president while they were needed in this region to undergo those, to undertake those response activities. harris: perhaps a little double-mindedness on this though, because the governor did say it helped to have donald trump there to bring the optics to and many leaders there say it helped to have him there. i may be supporting the president but you can't say it didn't help to have all the cameras there, what are those

thoughts? >> with all due respect to the governor, having been a chief of staff to a governor that i did, to have the chief executive there, to marshall and move resource, i'm sure they wanted federal money. i'm sure they wanted federal access. harris:? he said they were getting it anyway. >> to make sure commander-in-chief happens double-time, far different than sandy and other teams with election on the line. sure the president will be on beach. melissa: the treasurer said we need people to come down here. we need carpenters and people who can do construction and strong arms for people to come down. anytime somebody comes, whether trump or especially president, people watch and pay attention, say how can i help and volunteer. he said please, everyone come, anyone come. we are drowning. we need help. kennedy: not just about being humane person. that really is part of the job of the president, also look what happened in, at the end of the campaign in 2012 when hurricane

sandy hit, in this part of the country, and how that shifted the election. and you know maybe donald trump glean ad lesson from that, at that point the president was hine mitt romney in the polls a little bit. that some say sealed the deal. harris: where we ever get to the point somebody did something because it was right thing to do instead of steeped in politics. sandra: no question it was right thing to do. people of louisiana said come down now, we need help and attention what is happening down here. the advocate newspaper, largest the newspaper in the state of louisiana, they put out a plea to the president, cancel your vacation, come down here, we need you. inconvenience of the presidency but what chief executives sign up for when they take the oath of office. >> they wrote that last week. sandra: before he said he was coming down. >> before he said he was coming down. you have volunteers, people just feeling devastated. they're out of that i homes. people working at red cross. there are all these assets. i guarranty you a president

showing up is a good thing. governor showing up is a good thing. harris: can you take politics out of it? you have a democrat governor defending the president. hillary clinton saying she called the same democrat governor but you haven't seen either one of them on the ground? sandra: can hillary go down there before the president does? harris: different party. you and i could. kennedy: look what katrina did to bush's presidency. taking a helicopter tour. harris: you were chief of staff to a governor. there are other ways to get things done. sit down in nearby city and flown, not go to baton rouge. >> in southern utah, by st. george, when governor huntsman got on helicopter and went down there, visited, rolled up shirt sleeves, we're all behind you, it buoyed everybody's emotions. it was right thing to do. he marshalled resources and national guard. you do that at the national level too, to choose to go golf something not excuse, it takes some extra police protection. harris: 10 rounds of golf.

do you think the president didn't know there were cameras there? >> he doesn't care about that much. or he would have gone. harris: that is rhetorical question. they have to be cleared to get on to the golf course. by the way, louisiana, for the month of july, had fourth worse jobless rate in the nation-state by state. talking jobs in that part of the country, i can imagine maybe these candidates might want to do that. we'll be right back.

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