>> that is going to do for us this hour. >> this hour, we another one to do. don't go anywhere. >> okay. >> "outnumbered" starts right now. >> bye-bye. ♪ harris: happy l happy friday. this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, radio talk show host meghan mccain, democratic strategist, julie roginsky. member of both the bush and obama administrations she dances to, gillian turner. today's #oneluckyguy, tweeting about himself. james rosen, i'm excited to be here with you. >> my second time doing the show. great to be back. i have to say i love what you have done with the place since i was last here. harris: it looks exactly the same into that is the part i love. harris: you're welcome.

we'll lean heavily on your journalism and expertise. >> lean on me. harris: the gloves are really off. the donald trump and hillary clinton escalated attacks on each other invoking race with some of the harshest language yet. clinton is accusing her gop rival turning his party over to a fringe movement marked by hate groups. trump is accusing clinton much smearing his supporters as racist, that she is trying to deflect attention from her own scandals. >> donald trump has built his campaign on prejudice and pair know -- paranoia. he is taking hate groups mainstream. he is helping a red call fringe take over the republican party radical fringe. >> what does she do when she can't defend her record? that's right. she lies. he said it. she lies. and smears and she paints decent americans, you, as racists.

>> trump is reinforcing harmful stereotypes, and offering a dog whistle to hose most hateful supporters. >> your racist, you're racist, you're racist. they keep saying i. you're racist. it's a tired, disgusting, argument. harris: all right. so we had a week of this type of thing back and forth. define your opponent, is the game they seem to be playing. however, the issues are what counts. who gets credit for talking about issues this week? >> probably neither one. in this case we have two candidates who have been each of them, famous on the national stage for 30 years or so. so there are already pretty well-defined and probably not by their attitudes towards race. so i happen to think in this case neither candidate is building a terribly convincing case about the other. donald trump has been married to immigrants. he is employed blacks and hispanics. i don't think anyone looks at donald trump is racist himself unless you're already

predisposed to believe that about the guy. in terms of hillary clinton, i don't think anyone looks at her see as bigot per se. donald trump when he was questioned why calling her a bigot, anderson cooper, kept saying do you think she hates black people and hates minorities, that is what a bigot is? her policies are not good for the groups, she sells them even knowing that. that is case hillary clinton is cynical, not racist. i don't think this gains much traction for either candidate. harris: meghan. meghan: when i watch hillary clinton speech obvious she is trying to move headlines from clinton foundation scandals. both candidates are in need of white college educated suburbanites. that is who they are going after. both are making play, calling each other racist. i'm with you, i don't think either candidates are racist. what is effective the new ad where images of kkk associated with donald trump. david duke saying this is my kind of candidate. where she loses me when she gets with the read alex jones

conspiracy theories, mainstream america is not aware who these people are. a little too wonky inside baseball. i think they both lose this week. harris: julie, is it dicey game saying on their own behalf you are not courting these people and can't legislate who they are voting for. >> you can't blame and hold people accountable for those who vote for them. hillary clinton made a misstep this week when she sort of insulted the american voters who are going to vote for donald trump. i mean it is one thing to insult the candidate. another thing to insult the folks who vote for them. those are americans. and i will say on the comments this week, it is just race to the bottom. this kind of grade school game of copycat. i'm not a racist, you're a racist. i'm not a bigot. you're a bigot. harris: something, julie you said all along, can we get to the point talking about what is important to the people voting in november. we're both mothers.

we're people paying taxes. we have some things we would like to see worked out before november 8th, just us on the couch. now extrapolate that out. 300 million. >> what is she is doing strategically, she is not speaking to donald trump. harris: who is she talking to? >> she is talking to republicans who she wants them to distance themselves from donald trump. talking to john mccains of the world, paul ryan, mitch mcconnells, i just laid out a case why your standard-bearer, the head of the republican party today, is a bigot and associates with a lot of racists and has engaged in some behavior people may consider to be racist too, going back when he was developer in new york 40 years ago. so, laid that case out very persuasively. she is saying to them, do you stand with him or do you not stand with him. what is interesting to me, not one of those people in the last 24 hours, that i have seen, has come out and repudiated point by point anything she said about donald trump. that is exactly the point she was trying to make. harris: julie, along those

lines, if you're looking to stack things up against somebody see who stands with them and who doesn't, what about all the problems that she had with the email scandals? what about the 15,000 more come out and pay for play allegations look like -- she says there is smoke but no fire. i don't know anything causes smoke besides something burning. >> that may be. nothing in the world worst than being called a racist. that is horrible to be called, i don't care who you are. >> one thing worse? >> a liar? >> a child molester. going into issues of associations and so forth, that is one particular area i think clintons wish to stay away from. >> i don't even know what that is about. >> i would say being called a racist is horrible thing to do. being associated with somebody who is racist is not something any of us want to be associated with. what she is trying to do make it virtually impossible for republicans on fence for donald trump, college educated white voters. harris: called them white educated suburbanites. >> right for those --

meghan: she is over reaching. there are parts of this would be effective but she goes way too far, reading some of the breitbart headlines, i'm telling you average americans in my home state of arizona they don't care who runs breitbart, who is running donald trump's campaign. harris: that is very true. >> they want to hear someone speak for them. i agree with you, white college educated voters, traditionally republicans won for decades and decades, where donald trump and quite frankly hillary clinton are most vulnerable. harris: james you spoke up and gillian, had, oh, my goodness. what were you talking about? i think you might want to respond. i want to give you guys a chance. >> well, i am always eager to respond but look there is fellow named jeffrey epstein who faced these kinds of charges and for whom there is long documented trail of relationship with the clintons, and, so i agreed essentially with your point when you want to talk about associations, both of these figures with so many, such a long history on national stage

will face that. would i say, just one last thing, if i could. hillary clinton will get some of her base mobilized by painting donald trump in these terms. donald trump will not really mobilize his base by painting hillary clinton as a bigot. harris: that is interesting. >> he would do better to mobilize his base talking what the supreme court would look like in clinton presidency. >> would-be hoof himself all year long lay out actual policy goals. we're still waiting on a plan to defeat isis. we're still waiting on comprehensive economic strategy. these are kinds of things his campaign should really be focused on right now. as you said, he will not get any new voters trying to paint hillary clinton as racist or bigot. >> i will say jeffrey epstein who is reprehensible person i think there is connection with trump and him as well, jeffrey epstein is not running donald trump's campaign. difference, steve bannon is of breitbart is running trump's campaign.

if i'm steve brannon, i'm ecstatic, front-runner of presidency for united states you must be so he can at that time stick what a monetizing opportunity this is. harris: who had better week staying with issues. james you said neither. anyone else with a different opinion? donald trump laid out four, five, half a dozen speeches for teleprompter. he has stayed on message. meghan, that is something you said he desperately needed to do. meghan: i agree with gillian. he has to get policy specific. harris: he hasn't done that this week? >> i'm confused where he stands on immigration. as he talked about, i don't know if he is to the left of jeb bush's plan or build a wall to deport everybody. we can't get a clear answer. i watched interview with anderson cooper. it is very, very vague. foreign policy is number one issue when i vote, i want a concrete plan how he will defeat isis and he is not doing it. >> in the last election cycle, everything we were talking about at this time focused on

flip-flopping and who was flip-flopping and not flip-flopping. this week katrina pierson said, no, he hasn't changed his position on immigration, he is saying what he is saying about it. meghan: like me saying i haven't changed weight, the numbers on the scale have changed. >> you haven't. harris: you look fabulous. meghan: just saying that is my new spin. harris: this detail coming out as well. hillary clinton may have deleted emails related to the benghazi terror attack that killed four americans. now what? plus a u.s. navy coastal patrol ship fired three warning shots at an iranian ship that got a little bit too close to us. they are harassing us. even after that world famous nuclear deal they got. why? ♪ ible at golf. he is. but i'd like to keep being terrible at golf for as long as i can. new patented ensure enlive has hmb plus 20 grams of protein to help rebuild muscle.

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♪ harris: fresh trouble for the democrat running to lead the nation. we learned hillary clinton may have deleted benghazi-related emails from her private server. "judicial watch" says among nearly 15,000 pages of clinton's records recovered by the fbi, some included those, that quote, satisfied benghazi related search terms n a court ruling the state department must begin

releasing them by september 30th but the state department is pushing back, saying in a statement, using broad search terms we identified a number of documents potentially responsive to a benghazi-related request. at this time we have not confirmed that the documents are in fact responsive. we have not determined if they involve secretary clinton. end quote. what does that say to you. >> it tells me there is some information that was previously there she has gone and wiped off. not to be a nag, goes back to the original sin i keep saying over and over again, the decision in the first place not to use the official state department email account because she didn't have access to that, as well as the classified or the high side, as people in government call it. that is where you set yourself up for really endless errors. in my opinion everything that came after that initial decision is part of domino effect. it was always going to be there. a matter of people going in to recover it and it will be a

disaster area. harris: endless errors, september 30th. that is troubling. >> how so? harris: so close to the election. >> production of email. that is not great advertisement for bleach bit, software used to wipe clean the server. that which was bleach bitten was supposed to stay bleach bitten. apparent it happened. harris: maybe the cloth nullified the fix. >> sufficiently washed. look, you will heart quote-unquote, new hillary clinton e-mails pretty much for the rest of your life. just as much as we're hearing about new nixon tapes. harris: meghan is about to pass out. >> you are are. there are going to be cd-roms of them sold. and six annotated books. >> audio books. harris: doesn't this work in hillary clinton's favor? if we get exhausted by topic looking for the truth. that is what they do with journalists. throw as much as you can and those wacky journalists, those

harris faulkerser ins out there will be stacked in paperwork. >> is that "valley girl." meghan: to make it as complicated as possible, they hope lose the attention, think nothing is there, et cetera, et cetera. the most, i thought the convention had highs and lows, rnc, but most emotionally intense moment for me pat smith's speech, mother of a soldier that died. the man that died, one of the people that died in benghazi. >> sean smith. meghan: for so many people when i go home to arizona, benghazi is brought up with my brothers and friends. there is so much anger and intensity on this particular issue. it is not going away. nine days before the election a time i will find out what is in the emails relates to benghazi will come out. harris: it will be a month. >> didn't you say october 31st. >> september 30. meghan: whatever. close to the election.

>> it may be peanuts compared to what julian assange is sitting on and promising to release some point before election day. i don't think we've seen a candidate in modern presidential history whose electoral fortunes are so dependent on other people, whether james couple my or julian assange. say what you will about donald trump there, is no other third person whose words or documents we're waiting to make-or-break his candidacy. >> what about the tax return for mr. trump? i would like to see that much more than any hillary clinton emails between her and her staff. >> those are his own tax returns. not the fbi -- >> they may be important. >> sure. i don't know, i'm not certain that the tax returns of donald trump are going to materially change our view of the man. >> are you happy to trust that? harris: irs is investigating him. meghan: no american soldiers were killed in his tax returns that we'll find out more information about the cause of their death. i too would like to see his tax returns. if we going down the road i would like to see hillary clinton's health records, at same time. same things every other

candidate up until this election has been forced to do. now there is double-standard for both. harris: why won't she release that. i heard your point on audits with the irs, so on, so forth. he will look at that he says he will release them as soon as process is done. which is a lot different than fbi looking at hillary clinton. her saying you know what? i do have 15,000 more, that -- >> that is nonsense excuse. he could release them tomorrow. virtually ever who has done tax policy agrees with that. harris: they're completely different case. >> they're not. julian is right. gillian is 100% right. original sin was to have private home brewed server i never defended. that, everything else emanates from the stupid decision to have done that. i would say you're also right. i would love to see his tax returns, their medical records, both of them. not just one he had gastroenterologist. harris: why won't she release her medical records? >> i think she said. why won't he release his?

>> feeds conspiracy theories. when you don't have transparency who you are, lifestyle, who you are as person, finances automatically create paranoia. i'm telling you i myself fell down internet black hole about hillary clinton's health records a week ago. it is not a nice place to go. harris: follow you on twitter. >> who caught you? harris: you need ad hug. meghan: in the middle of the night in bed at, there is twitter account allegedly her medical records. this is ridiculous. oh, my gosh. oh, my gosh. is this rue? that is the problem. some random twitter account. release it. make everyone comfortable. >> she is running down the clock. that is all she has to do. that is what she is doing. harris: september 30th date make it more difficult? we'll watch and see. dramatic confrontation with iran. u.s. navy ship provoked by iranian ship in international waters. we're learning about a new close encounter raising disturbing questions.

new signs that president obama is preparing to close guantanamo bay. where will the most dangerous detainees go? can the president just ignore congress on this issue? stay close.

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all over the world do. in this incident and the incident of the nitze, in view of the crew that did not happen. meghan: confrontations between u.s. and iranian warships increased 50% this year. julie, i thought the iranian deal would solve everything, we're great with iran now. why are they harassing us? >> certainly not the first iranian provocation in the persian gulf. there are multiple. should anybody be surprised because one of the fundamental premises here was with the iran deal, sitting down with them at the table from the get-go was that there were no preconditions. i don't think there was ever expectation they were going to modify some of their more egregious behavior. that is what we're seeing now. they have not stopped being a state sponsor of terrorism. they have not stopped committing egregious human rights violations against their own people, other people in the middle east. this is just another example of

their kind of proclivity to front whatever power they think they have. they're doing it on our watch. it is not surprising to me. >> the question is not whether the iranian nuclear deal has failed to modify the iranian behavior or scale it back in some respects. the question is whether iran is worse now than before nuclear deal. our pentagon producer reports that he has defense department officials telling him iranian provocations in the persian gulf and in the strait of hormuz are right now on pace for the year 2016 to exceed that which we saw in 2015 by 50%. so the question is, whether or not they are emboldened following the nuclear deal, following all the money provided to them. this is also seen in their ballistic missile tests and other way. >> can i ask a question about that, and i legitimately don't know the answer to this? as we have people in our government, not our government or political life opposed to iran can deal so did they.

a lot of opposition from very hard-line people in tehran. is this a way to appease, is that part of their domestic policy plan to appease those hard-liners by engaging in this kind of provocation against the united states to answer to those people that think they sold out to us by signing iranian deal? >> yeah. >> i'm wondering if that is part of that. >> i think that is very sophisticated analysis of it. it can't be the case but because of opaques society it is. aspects of regular solution nary guard may need to be appeased somehow because they lost in the nuclear deal. what was very irresponsible i thought when president obama and the white house during the period of debate over the iran nuclear deal sought to equate republican critics of nuclear deal in the united states with hard-liners in iran. >> i agree with that. >> that was a bit of rhetoric that crossed line. >> i agree with that. harris: i was reading lucas's email on the subject matter,

first six months of 2016, 26 dangerous confrontations with us at sea, military officials calling it unsafe and professional. they were the provocateur into each situation. will that bait us into a mistake? if you have more frequently, you have more frequency for a mistake to be made. that is what i worry about. it isn't that they will fire a shot across our bow, but we i will react in a way because we're taunted so much. i worry about that. i know our military is is the best in the world but they're human. these guys would want that. the revolutionary guard would want to bait us into that. >> but i commend, give a shoutout to the navy for handling so far. harris: absolutely. >> it doesn't necessarily escalate. i don't think that is a real risk to be honest. as julie kind of alluded to with her question is, is it a pr operation and that's the premise they're operating on? they have free rein to behave as they like. the premise of the nuclear deal

was to take the nuclear issue out of the larger framework with u.s., iranian relationship. there are no bad repercussions here. no one will renege on the nuclear deal. it is too difficult to do. harris: as my dad the connell says, if they make a mistake it will be only once. they expect to close gitmo detention center before they leave office in january. there are 61 detains east in gitmo after the defense department announced earlier this month it was transferring 15 detainees to united arab emirates. here is the vice president in sweden today. >> you have a few months left before you and president leave office. do you think that you will succeed in getting guantanamo bay closed? >> that is my hope and expectation. harris: the chairman of the house homeland security committee says the president would be defying congress and putting americans at risk.

watch. >> we passed the national defense authorization bill last congress that prohibits him from closing guantanamo bay. that bill is up for reauthorization as i speak. i'm a conferee to the report and we are going to hold firm on this. i think it would be highly reckless and irresponsible to close down guantanamo bay. harris: through the state department you would know this through ever coulding them. do we have, james, the kinds of relationships around the world to really count on our partners to watch these guys once they're in country? >> in a word, no. and really the most irresponsible aspect of this is not closing down the facility, although frankly it costs $17 million to build. no one ever said what else they plight do wit. i would like to hear that. it is not bringing these people to the united states. these guys, hardcore ones who are left are not exactly jean-claude van damme and takes out six guards and go wild of public. look at most dangerous, khalid sheikh mohammed, in the famous

photograph he is looks likes domino's delivery guy awaken in the middle of the night. my point is, what is irresponsible draining the place as opposing to closing it and sending these individuals to countries where either they don't have ability or intention to properly monitor them. >> like pakistan. >> or uruguay. >> james is absolutely right. to me the most irresponsible element of the whole operation is sending these people, these would-be terrorists to countries that have no capability to monitor their whereabouts. afghanistan, pakistan, you might as well send them straight back to raqqa. it is really -- >> that makes no sense to me, right? we have high level terrorists sitting in in supermax prisons in the united states. why we can't bring them here in supermax, in florence, colorado, getting a butch of email in colorado, putting horrible killers in their midst. guess what, they're already there.

why do we do that? why send them back to places like pakistan and other places middle east? from day one why didn't we do this? harris: iback off your question, why was there are cries of number, not in my backyard, because they're pushing back so hard. >> they're war criminals. they will not get tried in the same way as average person here, murderer here in that way. by the way you want to bring a terrorist, one of my brothers or whatever went and rounded up, you want them to put them in phoenix? no way. people would be protesting in the street. you don't know kind of people -- >> but in a supermax? i would like to say too, answer this, isn't there high recidivism rate. >> administration says 30%. >> that is too high for my sensibilities. harris: depending who you ask within the administration because we've seen much lower numbers come out of the white house and now we're at this 30%.

>> i don't think we should gain say the fact they built this facility after 9/11, there was no manuel how to respond to something like 9/11. bush-cheney administration did responsible thing creating gitmo. the question, what next? harris: this is next. a rough week, wrapping up for hillary clinton. as the controversy over connections between her state department and family charity have her on the defensive. whether she will ever be able to put it all to bed and how voters could respond. stay with us. hey, need fast heartburn relief?

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♪ meghan: rough week wrapping up for hillary clinton after she was put on the defensive over possible links between her state department and her family charity. this after the associated press reported more than half of the people from private interests who met with clinton while she was secretary of state donate ad lot of money to the clinton foundation. of course our own one lucky guy james rosen reporting on number of calls, nearly 150 that is top executive at the clinton foundation left for cheryl mills over a two year time period. she was hillary's top aide at state department at the time. now republicans are demanding answers. chairman of the house oversight committee jason chaffetz wants the state department to provide be details between state

department and clinton aides. hillary clinton defended the foundation's work, if elected she will take steps to make sure there are no conflicts of interest. i certainly feel better. >> thank you for "morning joe," listing that hard-hitting stuff. meghan: best line donald trump used in weeks there is no line between the state department and clinton foundation. no one knows where it begins and ends. what is your response to that? >> that is reminiscent of that great philosopher don rumsfeld who said we don't know what we don't know. >> that is a great rumsfeld impression. >> there is more. perhaps julian assange knows. it is not at good situation to be in when you're just always one email away from ruin. and, even "the boston globe" put out an editorial about a week ago saying that calling on the clinton foundation cease accepting funds right now, and if hillary clinton wins, to shut down all together because as the newspaper said, the foundation

looks to much like a conflict of interest for comfort. >> go a step further. first of all the foundation has done some good work. >> true. julie: i used say when she became senator and secretary of state should have shut it down. harris: you said it last week. julie: somebody brought up a really good point. she became a senator even before her husband was out of the white house because of swearing in of the senate. there was always potential for conflict of interest because she was in the armed services committee in the senate. for that she obviously had interests with outside governments, dealing with outside foreign governments. never should have happened, more i thought should have gone back when they left the white house. if bill clinton wanted to do charitable work, done it way jimmy carter does it. i don't know that he should have solicited. harris: carter's name keeps coming up as example. >> habitat for humanity. harris: no matter what political party. he gotten a lot of credit for the way he helps people around the world.

not that this was in reaction to this topic but recently, i don't know if you guys caught it, august 15, president obama at fund-raiser, $10,000 each, there were about 60 donors there, if we're not running scared until the day after the election we'll be making a grave mistake. he went on to say, if we do our job, hillary will be elected president of the united states but if we do not do our jobs, it is still possible for her to lose. again, this does not have to do with this whole foundation issue but it was within a couple of days that you started to hear that the walk-back of, maybe we, we'll change the way we do things with the foundation. julie: but his comment was specific, this is what you do. you tell your donors you're desperate, running scared. how else would they give you money. >> warning against complacency which is fairly standard. harris: complacency within the campaign anyone could argue based on behavior of the hillary clinton campaign is those, bernie said it, those emails don't matter. bernie sanders, i wonder if he regrets saying that.

julie: polling shows they really don't matter to the voters they're trying to persuade. they matter to people who don't like her. everybody else -- harris: the foundation, does that pay for play allegations? julie: i haven't seen internal polling. i have seen some polling related to the campaign, you're concerned about her ethics you're not voting for her. >> it is baked into the cake. julie: baked in as i keep saying. harris: pretty baked in people haven't decided who they will vote. >> is this a cook show. meghan: we got to move on to ryan lochte. [laughter] backlash is growing after disgraced olympian ryan lochte reportedly land ad spot on "dancing with the stars." is he being rewarded for bad behavior or does this give him a second chance? we debate. ♪ ♪"all you need is love" plays

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harris: reading your social medias, and they're hilarious. meanwhile, go to please, jenna lee what is coming up in second hour of "happening now." >> have to check it out.

nice to see james on program. tim kaine on campaign trail for hillary clinton today in tallahassee. comes amid the new scrutiny over clinton emails. a new ruling means wheel start seeing what is in the new batch of emails as soon as mid-september. catherine herridge has breaking news on that. she will join us top of the hour. we'll also talk about new controversy swirling around mr. trump as he getting in war of words with hillary clinton over hot issue of race. mr. trump campaigning in las vegas. we'll watch that big story, epipen responding to outrage over the rising drug prices. epipen maker mile land will give a discount program if they pay out-of-pocket. that has not quieted critics. we'll talk to a "wall street journal" reporter where the story goes from here. harris. harris: that has been hot on social media. jenna, see you at top of the hour. thank you very much. many americans are expressing their outrage after ryan lochte reportedly won a

spot on next season of abc's "dancing with the stars." knocked out james rosen. >> still kills me. harris: after the olympic swimmer was charged with filing a false report about being robbed at gunpoint at rio de janeiro. one insider tells "us weekly," it will give the chance a 30-year-old who is good guy to make a mistake. reaction fierce on twitter. one woman tweeted, why this immature spoiled brat gets more support than he deserves. one man tweeted the, way to report a criminal behavior. hope you bet lower ratings this season. lochte has some support. this guy tweeted, he is still very well-liked. he is still young. we all learn, keep going, ryan, peace and god bless, end quote. your thoughts? julie: i'm only person in america admit to the following. i never seen a moment of reality television. i want to keep it that way. having said all of that, i'm trying to get the outrage

stirred up on the subject but i couldn't care less. >> "dancing with the stars" is not reality show. julie: you know what? >> it has bit of reality. julie: i'm hooked on "dance fever." style, content, originality, that is how i frame everybody i ever date. >> unfair advantage being olympic athlete. i remember when tom delay was on harris: yeah. >> tucker was on? harris: tucker carlson was on "dancing with the stars"? >> he was terrible. meghan: he didn't dance -- i laughed. he sat in a chair and his partner danced around him. >> i have to quote our friend dagen mcdowell from earlier this morning who goes, well that is a rocket ship to nowhere. when has "dancing with the stars" helped beyond one month of the show? they were on the cover of "us weekly.."

there is no longevity. oh, you can spin it into other dance reality shows. harris: think about the olympic team for a minute. he will have free time. meghan: they get paid a lot. they get paid around $300,000 and $350,000, you get more the longer you're on. don't ask me why i know that but i do. it is googlable. he will try to endear himself. i don't know if we have traded i don't know another kind ever athlete. harris: make it real for a second. one of the swimmers had to stay there. i had to be first pay $10,000 an they raised the fee. if that is his teammate and his friend, i hope he shares some of his wealth he is going to get from "dancing with the stars." >> he said he will reimburse the kid. the guy is 20 years old. other teammates, he will reimburse them the 10 or $11,000 he had to pay to the brazilians. harris: they raised it. go made. >> to those expressing outrages

on the twitters and -- >> interweb. >> our theater for outrage, this has very easy solution. called the free market. if you're upset about ryan lochte, you think morality being challenged on "dancing with the stars," don't watch. julie: didn't they have kardashians on the show? >> he signed an endorsement deal couple days ago. harris: he lost some endorsements. >> he signed one with a cough drop company. share slogan is something like we're forgiving on your those. -- throats. i'm not kidding. picked up new ad endorsement, maybe this morning. harris: wow, you can't make that up. >> you can't have the cough drops. meghan: worst reality show, ryan lochte. it was worst of all time. horrible. he such a bro. king of bros. he spent whole time going, jaeh. stop judging me, julie.

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which may cause kidney problems. now's the time for a better moment of proof. ask your doctor about victoza®. ♪ >> tim kaine, mike pence feels your pain. same week that a barber did not recognize the gop vice-presidential nominee, hillary clinton's running mate learns how invisible his political role can be. kaine laughing at his own famelessness in appearance on "the late show," a look-alike takes to the streets to see if new yorkers can tell the difference between him and the real kaine. watch. >> my messages i can get to hillary clinton. you spend a lot of time with clinically, right? >> great lady. funny. >> tell the funny story about how you and hillary clinton were at that bar and you got locked? >> i can't tell that story. >> you got locked into the bar and nothing to eat, so you had to drink liquor all night.

>> that's what we did. it was a great time. >> for the rest of your life, this is what tim kaine looks like. yeah, okay. great. >> one man so convinced imposter is real deal he hands over his own baby. >> yea. >> oh. [crying] >> oh, no. >> oh. >> that's okay. >> sorry. >> you made a baby cry. you made a baby cry. are you happy? babies can tell. >> we agree the kid was cute. you have had a dade, -- a dad, famous role in politics. what do you think. meghan: a lot of people don't know what politicians look like. when people ask, my dad always says i'm al gore. [laughter]. they think it is hilarious. julie: call bs on that one. when i worked in the senate, right after your dad ran for president --

meghan: with all due respect i know him than you do. julie: no, i'm giving, people mobbed john mccain in the senate subway. he was celebrity. >> i'm constantly being told i look like someone other than myself. what about you, harris, what did you think of that whole segment. harris: i thought he looked convincingly like tim kaine. >> that was pretty close. harris: most people can't even tell you who the senators are in their states. they are not thinking about it that had. they know who the governor is and what he looks likes, so on, so forth. to really legitimately say the difference between those two men who look so much alike? meghan: stephen colbert. harris: the baby knew. he was not having it. >> we have 15 seconds. get told you look like celebrity. >> only angelina jolie, i was joking. harris: oh? i'm so gullible. good thing i'm a professional journalist. good to see you.

>> i was very lucky. harris: james rosen, thanks. we're back on tv noon monday. we can't wait for that. have a fabulous weekend, happen "happening now" start right now.