of it. >> bill? >> we know that hillary is going to shut down the economy in west virginia. >> that's it for "forbes on fox." keep it right here. carb carb. it's our right as a sovereign nation to choose immigrants that we think are the li likeliest to thrive. >> to deport the criminal aliens and welcome those with open arms to thrive. hi, i'm eric bolling with "cashin' in." kristen, should we choose the immigrants? >> yeah, we should change the course of this country, of course, we want immigrants that will continue to contribute to our society, instead of immigrants that will drain from

our society. this is a moot point because the obama administration and certainly, the clinton administration has not followed law. back to the original question, eric, as long as the welfare state is in place, we should absolutely be prioritizing self-sufficient immigrants. you can have an open border or welfare state, but you can't have both. >> okay. good luck taking the other side of that one. >> i don't think this is hard. guess what, i love america, i know it's about taking in those less fortunate. in the midst of the jews and holocaust, we had to push them back. saying we don't want the best people. we find in america we take people that have been rejected by others, they come here and

make us stronger and make our company, by cashing in, immigrants make america a stronger -- >> if anyone is talking about legal immigrants. i think donald trump is talking about illegal immigrant. go ahead, mercedes. >> right. that's the court issue. are re going to have a set of laws that have followed. what has happened, eric, we've seen the complacency, we have the stocks that the clinton and obama administration have allowed his immigration thing to become the norm. if you come in as an illegal, visa overstay, you don't leave, chances are you're going to pay the penalty. i think even for liberal pundits, they get used to this idea, say, okay, that's just fine. well, it's not fine.

we should honor and respect those legal immigrants who have gone through the process, followed the law and come to the united states. because it is true, as immigrants they make this country great and it's part of that immigrant story that wants to build this. >> the difference here between the legal immigrants and the illegal immigrants. i'm not speaking for everyone. but i would agree we need much more immigration. i would suggest we need double or triple the number of legal immigrants allowed in the country. >> you know, this is the problem with you, eric, you're blowing me up here because i didn't expect toer that from you. okay, i'll embrace you on this point pipe will say that i thought donald trump was talking about both legal and illegal. some countries they give points for the wealthyiest people, best educated. people who know they'll have a job. in america, it's always talked about as a family unification or

giving haven to people who have been subject to political oppression. and people in some cases have been excluded because they're coming from dictatorships. >> i don't understand why america is so concerned with that, the facts are the facts. 1% of immigrant families that includes illegal and legal immigrants used welfare. that's a far higher percentage than the percent of native-american families relying on welfare. even in a legal household, it's higher. and i don't like how it's a race issue. it has nothing to do with race. nothing do with nationality. >> so, juan, the question points out the amount of welfare and money and access that the legal

community in america eats up. the center for policy came out with a number $114 billion a year of welfare that illegal families take. >> that's the one side of the story. and there's another side to the edger. the legals. not illegal immigrants. illegals do not benefit from social security. it's important that, they've never been captured with services that they contribute to the country. guess what, as they pay taxes they get nothing in return. >> what taxes are the illegals paying -- they're not paying federal income tax. >> they're paying all of the normal taxes that everybody pays, but they're not getting any of the benefits. >> they're talking about immigrants who are working.

the problem is illegals who come in. they break our laws and dream. if not, they can use our medical facilities. >> they're not allowed to get obamacare, but hillary clinton has mentioned in the first 100 days of office, they would be able to get -- she's going to push for them to get obamacare. i want to say something here because i think is this very important. you know, in our nation, we've gone to a point that obviously we have the 11 million illegals that are here. >> yes. >> because we have a broken immigration system. and i think to really start going after them and saying they're draining our system, but they are also adding to the economy as well. aisle it's a bit of both. this san opportunity to say, look, we know this is what has happened. there needs to come to a point,

or able to learn, asill late. earn and pay back taxes. there's going to be penalties associated with coming to the country and breaking the law. end of story. that's why it has to be dealt with sooner rather than later. >> i think you're right. let me just say, ronald reagan to george w. bush all have tried to pass immigration reforms. >> sure. >> to level the playing field. and to do what you're talking about. who blocks it? hardline republicans who are anti-immigrant. >> but, juan, part of it there isn't a cycle of intending illegal immigration. we have to put out a point that the u.s. is not sending that in. they're just saying there's no penalty. >> i'm telling you, good republicans, ronald reagan, george w. bush wanted to put in place limits so we could have

it. >> and, juan, they also said that undocumented workers should go to the back of the line. and they need to then -- that was exactly part of george w. bush's plan. >> so why was it -- >> because of the fact it was very controversial. >> understand all of the democratic proposals for immigration reform there's a patch offered. then you can make the case for the economics. you can make the case for the taxes, mercedes. you can make the case for bringing up legal immigration here. but you also have to have that decision, do you want to let people here illegally, that pass to let them leave and come back. >> well, the american people have spoken to it, eric, 75% of

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groups voiced outrage. the police last week, kaepernick says he will remain seated or on knees. mercedes, what is going on here? >> i have to say, this is heartbreaking to watch for kaepernick which i think is an insulting action, especially towards the military so they can sacrifice their life for our freedom. so he can live a luxurious life becoming a successful football player and living an american dream. i have to tell you that sports figures are figures for children. i find that so disappointing. he has the freedom to do what he wants to do, not warp, use this as a way to not participate, that's fine. at the same time, it sends a message of really not appreciating the right to greatness. >> we have a right to protest. i get it.

you see a man singing the national anthem. he's risking his life. a fox news alert, you are looking at live pictures in detroit. donald trump just sitting down there, the republican presidential nominee taking his case to african-american voters at a church there called race faith ministry in detroit. mr. trump just finished up an interview with a network. and the pass tour wayne t. jackson. let's listen. >> i want to be able to sit down and not only here, but all over the country, and this country must be united. united. [ applause ] and originally, originally, it was slated to not have any words

to say, but mr. trump came prepared to say a greeting and a few words that he wants to say, coming to detroit, he feels like it's important that we just don't sit down -- huh? he gets some sitdown. he wants to come and say a few words. we say to him now, i want all the press and everybody to know, he was going to come in have service, after the interview and he has to go. but since this account, mr. trump wants to say a few words. no doubt sitting there, we want to ask you -- he wants to come up, mr. trump. will you come and would you stand, mr. you stand, mr. trump

again. >> thank you. thank you very much. thank you, it's so nice, thank you. thank you very much. well, that's so nice, bishop jackson i want to thank you, and dr. jackson, you have some voushgs i have to say. and some spirit. some spirit. talent. thank you. well, i just wrote this the other day, knowing i'd be here, and i mean it from the heart, and i'd like to just read it and

i think you'll understand it maybe better than i do. but for centuries, the african-american church has been the conscience of our country. so true. it's from the pews and pulpits and christian teachings of black churches all across this land that the civil rights movement has lifted up its own and lifted up the soul of our nation. it's from these piers that our nation has been inspired a bed of moral character, a deeper concern for mankind and a spirit of charity and unity that binds us all together. and we are bound together. i see that today. this has been an amazing day for me. the african-american faith community has been one of god's greatest gift to america and to its people. there's perhaps no action our

leaders can take that would do more to heal our country and support our people than to provide a greater platform to the black churches and churchgoers. you do right every day by your community and your family. you raise children in the light of god, i will always support your church, always. and defend your right to worship. so important. i am hear today to listen to your message. and i hope my presence here will also help your voice to reach new audiences in our country. and many of these audiences desperately need your spirit and your thoughts. i'll tell you that. christian faith is not the past, but the present and the future. make it stronger. they make it stronger.

and we'll open it up to great, great leaders like pastor jackson, bishop jackson and so many others, so many others actually sit here. darryl scott who has been phenomenal, who is with me for so long. thelma olson is a very fine person, she's actually a very, very fine person and a pastor. and i just want to thank all of the folks, there is somebody who is very special to me. dr. ben carson. stand up, ben, come here. this is a great man and a great guy. so, as i prepare to campaign all across the nation, and in every

community, i will have an opportunity to lay out my plan, for economic change which will be so good for detroit and so good for this community because we're going to bring jobs back. i will have a chance -- thank you, taking them back from mexico and every elsewhere because they're done. i will have a chance to discuss school choice. it's very important and how to put every american on the ladder to success, great education and great jobs. but today, i just want to let you know that i am here to listen to you, and i've been doing this. and we had a fantastic interview with bishop jackson. it was really an amazing interview. he's better than the people that do that professionally, i will tell you. it's true. it's true. true. true. he's better. and i didn't really know what i was getting myself into. i didn't know, is this going to

be nice, is this going to be wild? he is a great gentleman and very smart. i just hope you don't lose him to hollywood. that's the only problem. especially dr. jackson, she may be gone. hollywood is calling. look at all of those television cameras back there. look at all of the television cameras. i'm sorry to do that to you, you know, one of those things, right? our nation is too divided. we talk past each other, not too each other, and those who seek office do not do enough to step into the community and learn what is going on. they don't know. they have no clue. i'm here today to learn so that we can pogt remedy injustice in any form, and so that we can also remedy economics so that the african-american community can benefit economically through

jobs and income and so many other different ways. our political system has failed the people and works only to enrich itself it. want to reform that system so that it works for you, everybody in this room. i believe true reform can only come from outside the system. i really mean that. being a businessman is much different than being a politician. i understand what's happening. and we are going outside of the establishment. becoming the nominee of the party of abraham lincoln, a lot of people don't realize abraham lincoln, the great abraham lincoln was a republican. has been the greatest honor of my life. it is on his legacy that i hope to build the future of the party, but more important, the future of the country and the community. i believe we need a civil

rightsrights agenda for our time. that has the right for education, so important. and the right to live in safety and in peace and have a really, really great job, a good paying job and one that you love to go to every morning. and that can happen we need to bring our companies back. it also means the right to have a government that pro our workers and fights, really fights for our jobs. i want to help you build and rebuild detroit, and we can do that. especially with people like bishop jackson and dr. jackson. it's been an amazing experience. true. nothing is more sad than when we sideline young black men with unfulfilled potential.

tremendous potential. i met some people this morning that were incredible people and they're looking for jobs. these are incredible people. young people. our whole country loses out when we're unable to harness the brilliance of the energy of these folks. we're one nation and when anyone hurts we all hurt together and that's so true. so true. we're all brothers and sisters, and we're all created by the same god. we must love each other and support each other and we're in this all together, all together. i fully understand that the african-american community has suffered from discrimination, and that there are many wrongs that must still be made right. they will be made right. i want to make america prosperous for everyone. i want to make this city the

economic envy of the world. we can do that. we can do that again. factories everywhere, new roads and bridges, new schools, especially schools, and new hope. i have been so greatly blessed and in so many ways, no greater blessing than my family. i have a great family. nothing would make here happier and more fulfilled than to use what i have learned in business and in traveling all over the world and sort of seen a lot. to bring the wealth and prosperity a and opportunity to those who have not had these opportunities before, and that's many, many people in detroit. when i see wages falling, people out of work, i know the hardship this inflicts and i am determined to do something about it. i will do something about it it.

do get things done. i get things done. need to get things done for you. please know this, for any who are hurting, things are going to turn around. tomorrow will be better, be much better. the pastor and i were talking about riding up the street and we see all those closed stores and people sitting down on the sidewalk and no jobs and no activity. we'll get it turned around. we'll get it turned around, pastor. believe me. we're going to win again as a country. and we're going to win again for all of our people. i want to work with you to renew the bonds of trust between citizens, and the bonds of faith that make our nation strong. america's been lifted out of many of its most difficult hours through the miracle of faith and through people like bishop

jackson and dr. jackson. so important. people have no idea how important they are. now in these hard times for our country, let us turn again to our christian heritage to lift up the soul of our nation. i am so deeply grateful to be here today, and it is my prayer that america of tomorrow, and i mean that, the america of tomorrow will be one of unity, togetherness and peace. and perhaps we could add the word prosperity. i'd like to conclude with a passage from 1 john chapter iv. you know it. so most groups i speak to don't know that, but we know it.

if you want, we can say it together. no one has ever seen god but if we love one another, god lives in us and his love is made complete in us. and that's so true. thank you very much. this has been such an honor. thank you very much. bishop, thank you, sir. thank you. thank you. thank you, bishop. >> donald trump leaving the stage there at great faith ministry in one of detroit's toughest neighborhoods as he continues his minority outreach. part of this will be an interview, if you will, with wayne t. jackson, the bishop there and head of impact ministries. during his five or ten minutes of remarks there to the church service which were relatively informal, he talked primarily about two things. school choice and jobs and now

back to the bishop. >> with this prayer shawl, whenever you're flying from coast to coast, i know you just came back from mexico and you'll be flying from city to city, there is an anointing, the anointing is the power of god. when the woman has the issue of blood said if i could only touch the jesus garment i would be made whole. nothing else could help her but the power of gochltd there are going to be times in your life you're going to feel forsaken. you're going to feel down.

but the anointing is going to lift you up. i prayed over personally on this and i fasted over it. i want to just put this on you. >> thank you so much. >> this is the jewish heritage study bible. we have it specially for you, and we have one for your wife because when things go down, you can study the word of god. when things seem like it's almost impossible, you'll read martin