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surrounded by water, engulfed in flames. what made fighting this fire on an old bridge so difficult. and exploring an underwater battlefield. 70 years after a world war ii showdown unfielded miles off the u.s. coast. all happening now.lded miles of u.s. coast. all happening now.lded miles of u.s. coast. all happening now.ulded miles o u.s. coast. all happening now.lded miles of u.s. coast. all happening now.olded miles o u.s. coast. all happening now. we begin with the race to the white house. hillary clinton and donald trump hammering each other on security. welcome to the second hour of happening now. i am jenna lee. >> they're touting support from military leaders, each speaking separately at a forum on national security tonight. donald trump isn't waiting, making remarks moments ago saying mrs. clinton doesn't have the temperament to be commander in chief.

>> sometimes it seemed like there wasn't a country in the middle east that hillary clinton didn't want to invade, intervene in or topple. she's trigger happy and very unstable. honestly, she's totally unfit to be our commander in chief. totally unfit. >> trigger happy, very unstable. that's what you're going to hear. mrs. clinton suggests trump is all talk. take a listen. >> he says he has a secret plan to defeat isis, but the secret is he has no plan. >> this has director of national intelligence james clapper points out vulnerability during a presidential transition. catherine herridge begins from the d.c. bureau. >> thank you, jon. director of national intelligence, the nation's top intelligence officer said this morning threats faced by the u.s. has never been more diverse and challenging, insisted the

transition between administrations will not be disrupted. >> i know a lot of people are feeling uncertainty about what will happen with this presidential transition. been a lot of ka tas tro fiezing in the 24 hour news cycle and on social media. >> he went on to say everything will be, quote, okay. he also commented on classified intelligence briefings provided to both candidates. they're being done by career intelligence professionals and not political appointees, and wide ranging topics and questions posed by candidates will remain confidential. subject matter would be of great interest to foreign intelligence services and provide a window to the candidates' thinking. clapper seemed to minimize backed russian, the dnc that raises money for the clinton foundation. he said this targeting by moscow

predates the current election cycle. >> the russians hack our systems all the time, not just government but corporate systems, so do the chinese and others, including nonstate actors. the point is cyber will continue to be a huge problem for the next presidential administration as it has been a challenge for this one. >> on isis, clapper says he is confident the current campaign will eventually suppress the terror group but did predict other extremist groups will likely take its place. >> trump talked about 30 days to wipe out isis. did the director give any -- >> not that i recall, but he rent campaign would be successful reaching its target. critics say it has not made the kind of progress it needs to because in the end, you have to take back the real estate in syria and iraq. >> the question is how long before we are successful. as he says.

catherine herridge, thank you. >> you're welcome. national security is the theme for today. we are awaiting a forum in new york city featuring hillary clinton and donald trump. it is not over for today. they will appear separately tonight. we've already seen a fiery preview of rhetoric to expect. we're going to have more from blake better man in washington, d.c. in a few minutes. meantime, we will talk more politics. the two nominees are focusing on national security strategies and credentials, but a couple of controversies are dogging each of them. for hillary clinton, the lingering questions about her e-mails and pay for play allegations linked to the clinton foundation. for donald trump, renewed scrutiny on a political donation his foundation made to the florida attorney general. her office was looking into trump university. joining us, senior video editor

for "the wall street journal" and vince colony from the daily caller. welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> shelby, you say there are -- both candidates have problems when it comes to their reliability, trustworthiness. do the clinton foundation and trump university balance out in that regard? >> well, they balance each other out in the sense now both candidates can turn around and point the finger at each other. what hurts trump now is that his most effective argument about clinton's pay to play activities and her breaking the law as secretary of state now have a dent in them. looks like the pot calling the kettle black. at the same time clinton has the trouble with the e-mail server with the fbi investigation, pay to play allegations regarding the clinton foundation, trump has to answer his questions about making donations to politicians. what trump could get an advantage from is he had boasted

in the past about controlling politicians by giving them money. he's embraced this. his supporters sometimes think it is funny whereas clinton denied wrongdoing, said she didn't do anything wrong. every time we learn something that sort of questions her trustworthiness, the fbi statement on the e-mail server, new e-mails that link the clinton foundation to the state department, then her poll numbers go down and favorability numbers. >> vince, what about the way the two candidates handle the question of money and political access? are they essentially on equal footing? >> definitely not. they have a binary allegations. clinton pleads ignorance, saying there's no pay for play, i'm innocent, i'm shocked you would ask that, we're always on the up and up. donald trump meanwhile has

embraced this notion that throughout his career he has given money specifically because he sees a receivable, that he worked in the system. look, americans aren't stupid. they know rich people give money to politicians to purchase access, favors, something. trump throughout his career made a point of bragging about it. it is one of the things like a reformed convict. he is like i know the inside workings of the system. he is going to the voters, saying this is how it is, you all know it. i am not pretending it is different and i am here to fix it. whether or not he can do that remains to be seen. two different approaches. one strikes people as more honest and trustworthy, hey, that's nothing going on here. >> mike pence was on "fox and friends" talking about the question of releasing tax returns and clinton's transparency. listen. >> donald trump and i made it

clear we're both going to release tax returns. mine will be out later this week, it will be a quick read for me, and he will release his tax returns after the audit is done. last night, you heard donald trump essentially double down on the important issue in this campaign which is the fact that what's becoming more evident to the american people every day is that while she was secretary of state hillary clinton and the clinton foundation were taking major foreign donors' contributions to that foundation. >> that was mike pence this morning. meantime, former president bill clinton took a shot at trump yesterday in durham, north carolina. here is that. >> i got tickled the other day when mr. trump called my foundation a criminal enterprise. that was pretty funny considering. he made a political contribution to the attorney general of florida who at the time had an office investigating trump

university. and mysteriously, the investigation vanished. >> meantime, when you look at the question whether or not people think donald trump is hiding anything in regards to his tax returns, here are the numbers. 83% say yes. 36% say no. even 36% of republicans think donald trump probably is hiding something in his tax returns. shelby, are we likely to see those before the election? >> no. i would not say we are likely to see those before the election. trump has punted on this for months. i don't see that changing any time soon. but the new revelation about his foundation payment to the attorney general, which was illegal under federal election law, placed more scrutiny on his

tax returns. people want to know where he is donating money, how much he is donating, how he is doing it. it is a classic case why people want to see the tax returns. trump has come up with a lot of excuses. i'm sure he will continue to do that. but no. we're not going to see his returns before the election. >> that particular issue of his donation to pam bondi, is that something that voters -- that is likely to cost him votes? >> it is possible. i don't think it is all too likely. it is a he said she said at this point. clearly shelby said there's the violation that he paid a fine on in terms of how that contribution was done, but the truth of what actually took place in that transaction remains murky. both pam bondi and donald trump say that there was no wrongdoing here and that she actually solicited that donation before it was in consideration whether or not the florida attorney general office would consider going after the trump foundation. i think the key is the honest

and trustworthy numbers. this is propped up in large part by the hillary campaign. it is an easy vehicle to flip a bad situation. they're upside down on honest and trustworthy. he beats hillary on trustworthiness and they need to flip it around. >> thank you both. we mentioned a big national security forum tonight. before that, interesting news. a fox news alert on that. a senior defense official says a russian jet buzzed a u.s. navy spy plane over the black sea, north of turkey, south of ukraine. this happened before where we have seen a russian jet buzz a navy destroyer a few months ago in the baltic sea. and we have been reporting that navy ships have been harassed by iranian ships in the general

region. this is news today, that the russian jet buzzed a navy spy plane. don't know how close precisely, it is described dangerously close. this aircraft is mainly used for anti-submarine warfare, on routine patrol in the black sea when this happened. it is worth noting as we talked about beginning of the show, there's a lot of conversation from different u.s. officials and national security. secretary of defense ash carter talked about russia earlier today at oxford university earlier today, we don't know wyky

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overnight saturday night to sunday morning in france, right in the heart of one of the busiest tourist districts near notre dame and other sites. packed in the car, that deadly cargo, several six gallon cannisters of volatile propane gas. a blast from that would have caused real harm in the center of the french capital. arabic language pamphlet was found in the car. the car was in fact left abandoned, but we're learning two days later two people were arrested, trying to flee into spain from france. one said to have had aspirations of joining isis in syria. the hitch is back to the car, there was no detonator inside, no way to blow this up, and hazard lights of the car were flashing. indications according to some experts perhaps it was a trial run for a car bomb attack, or at the least, a very scary tactic on the part of some islamists,

perhaps. french officials are on high alert as noted after the nice terror attack that left 86 dead and other attacks before and after that, not just in paris and france but across europe. the french president hollande criticized for handling of the security issue. there's concern not just of loss of life but impact on the lucrative tourism business in france. french business officials tell me that their trade has been off by 20% over the last six or eight weeks. to show you how nasty this attack could have been, 13 million people a year visit that notre dame cathedral. i know that neighborhood of paris is completely full with tourists most times of the day. back to you. >> lots to think about. thank you. right now, an investigation under way after fire engulfs a

bridge in new jersey. 30 foot flames lighting up the night sky over the egg harbor bay. firefighters had to use boats to reach the center span of the bridge, since it was partially demolished after being closed in 2004. took about an hour for crews to get that under control. new accusations about moscow trying to meddle in the presidential election. my next guest worked as a double agent, spying on russia. he says russia will do anything to minimize the u.s., including interfering in our domestic affairs. interesting perspective. charter schools boasting impressive statistics on advancing education. why some teachers and parents are challenging these schools next.

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ash carter speaking at university, says russia is undermining international order and the u.s. won't stand for it. >> they don't seek an enemy in russia, make no mistake, we will defend our allies, principle of international order and we will counter attempt to undermine our collective security and will not ignore attempts to interfere with our democratic processes. >> this comes after hillary clinton made similar comments on allegations the russians hacked the democratic party, may be trying to influence the u.s. election, a point we should mention that is not a fact yet. that's a question that's been raised, we don't know for sure. our next guest says russia never stopped fighting the cold war.

outed himself as former double agent against russia last year. he is author of "how to catch a russian spy." you recognize him, he is on the show often. you don't talk about your personal story much. great to have you back. >> great to be here. >> tell us about the double agent stuff and then russia today. how did you become a double agent? >> it is a crazy story, as espionage goes, a funny one. i wanted to join the navy after september 11, like many americans, desire to serve my country, applied, did not get in. was told if you pump up your resume, perhaps you can reapply. i came up with a hair brained idea through a family connection perhaps i could help the fbi with the russians, looked at it as intern ship, said i am running a small company, russians are coming here, perhaps i can help you in exchange for letter of recommendation. >> it is an interesting back story. your family ran a bookstore. that's how the life of your

family and some specific russians intercepted. how? >> yeah. i can't trace my lineage to the mayflower. my father is pakistani. in the '80s the soviets said we want to do business with you. ten minutes after they left his office, the fbi said that was a soviet intelligence officer. we would like you to help us with them by monitoring them, do business with them, let us know what they want. it went on almost two decades. >> what was your work like? >> very clearly the russians, 2005 to 2009, the russians approached me with the intention of recruiting me as a spy. knew i was applying to navy, they're in this for the long haul. they're very methodical and deep thinking. they saw me as an asset to recruit, my parents helped them 5, 10, 15, 20 years.

>> how to catch a russian spy is the book. hopefully to be made into a movie as well. jon and i are available if you need a television anchor to play in the movie. want to put it out there. >> sure. >> take your experience working with the russians, we could go on for hours, believe me, i would love to talk about that. take your experience and apply it to what we see today because this is fairly recent, your work. when you're watching the actions of the russians, had breaking news this hour, russian plane buzzing one of our spy planes, questions about whether russia is interfering in our election process, what goes through your mind, somebody with your experience? >> i spent four years undercover in intimate discussions with these people. what i can tell you, growing up with this, the russians, the cold war never ended when they set foot in jfk as diplomats,

view themselves as behind enemy lines. their goal with me was to collect military grade intelligence. the only reason you collect that, you're looking to defeat a military adversary. that has not changed from the '80s to present. i think with putin power, this isn't democratic or republican thing, putin has eyes to expand and views the contraction of the united states as an opportunity for him. >> let's play again the theme of the day, national security, both candidates are talking a lot about national security. want to play sound from donald trump. here's what he just said about vladimir putin and hillary clinton. >> russia has defied this administration at every single turn. putin has no respect for president obama and has absolutely no respect for hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton is being very

outspoken as well, saying trump wants to make vladimir putin our friend and she doesn't like that. there's a tradition on the plane where the press corp is traveling. what happens, you roll an orange with a question to the candidate, and the candidate rolls the orange back. who would you rather have dinner with, vladimir putin or donald trump. the answer that came back was vladimir putin. does either candidate in your mind have it right when it comes to russia? >> look, i'm glad to hear donald trump is saying that. as i said, this isn't a republican or democratic question. the russians are in it for russia. they view any discord, domestic discord as opportunity for them. look, whether they directly interfere with democratic international committee or rnc isn't the point. they're happy to see us with domestic squabbles. that's a benefit to them. certainly contraction of our

prestige abroad is also a benefit to them. i have to say i am worried about the connection between manafort and russia, but it is disturbing. >> you helped take down a spy ring in new york city through your contact and were able to break it up. >> yes. >> it is a microcosm of a macro cost am. how do you beat them at their game and win? >> absolutely. not question that they are an adversary which both are doing. russia, look, we're not going to come to blows with russia or start a war, no one wants that, the russians either, but they're in new york city now. my russian spy handler has been replaced, i guarantee you they're up to old tricks. the good news is that the fbi and our intelligence services are good at what they do and good at winning this. my story is a story of beating the russians. every time i come on the news,

they're not happy. >> i was curious. are you worried about a van sitting outside the studio? i am kind of worried about you. >> the running joke, when i wrote the book, i asked friends, they came back and said don't worry about the russians, they'll contract it out to bulgarians. no. look, they're very much in it to win it. they're going to use any words that they can against us, whether from hillary clinton or donald trump. they've done so effectively up until now. >> it is a fascinating story. next time i'm calling you green kryptonite, that was one of your code names. save that for the next conversation. fascinating perspective. look forward to having you back. >> watch out for guys with umbrellas. that's hard to do in seattle. lawmakers back at work in washington after the summer break. why republicans are now more confident they will still control the house after the election. we will talk with our political

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cautiously optimistic that gop presidential nominee donald trump can remain disciplined enough in the next two months to keep them from getting blown out and give them a fighting chance to hold the senate and protect their sizable house majority. for more, let's bring in fortune magazine nina easton, fox news contributor and melinda hen burger, new ty title, from america's institute for policy and research and catholic studies. former editor and chief at "roll call." welcome to you both. >> thanks. >> there were all of these doom and gloom predictions that if you nominate donald trump you lose the senate and possibly the house. is that not so much the worry any more? >> i think there's definitely concern out there, less about the house. i think republicans have a good chance to hold onto the house. there is real concern about the senate. there are a number of sitting

gop senators like kelly ayotte, pat toomey of pennsylvania that are in tight races. that's one to watch. the up side for republicans looking to hold onto congress, both house and senate, that money is pouring in from donors. they're putting money in those races. >> republicans have i guess suggested, melinda, that the house was in real jeopardy for them. why? >> well, i never really believed the house was truly in play. i know there was a lot of talk on that point. you never want to admit we've got this no problem, and neither side wants to admit that. that limits the party's ability to say please urgently send cash now. but we just haven't seen. it is true that some of the senate races are still very tight. on the house side, we just

haven't seen donald trump effecting those down ballot races the way some were worried it would, that it might. when you think about it, if a republican can't bring himself to vote for trump is not going to then necessarily take it out on his congressional representative. on the contrary, he might think it is more important for the party to hold onto the house. so i don't see that as being in play. >> nina, as donald trump continues to shave points off hillary's lead, she was up 8 to 10 points after the convention, it is more than cut in half now, does that bring sighs of relief among republicans that hope to hold those congressional majorities? >> yes and no. there's fascinating numbers within the numbers, within the poll numbers. yes, hillary clinton's lead has been cut by an average of 8% to average of 4%. here's the thing. if you look at white college

educated voters, these are voters that mitt romney carried, previous presidential candidates, republicans, carried, including white college educated women, trump is losing there and that's something that has a lot of concern for republican strategists. of course, he has had real trouble with latinos and african americans. combine those demographics, there's still troubling news in those polls for donald trump. >> troubling news for hillary clinton as well, melinda. this is a race to see which candidate more people like le less or something like that. >> i follow. hillary's campaign cannot be too happy with the fact it is as close as it is, given that here's a republican nominee, the

very republican dallas morning news where i used to work said is not a republican. they endorsed hillary clinton, the first democrat endorsed since the 1930s. you have the not liberal editorial board of "the washington post" saying donald trump is a threat to democracy. given that's who she's up against, these numbers are very tight for hillary clinton. on the other hand, when you look at polls, there was just a big poll from "the washington post" and survey monkey that made you think oh, my gosh, clinton is up in some red, red states in the south. but i am skeptical of that poll because it was taken over almost a month's time, really a long time. not a snapshot, that's a movie. and it's also self selecting, survey monkey does the poll, not through traditional phone calls.

>> i know. but there are problems with survey monkey methodology that most relying polling outfits don't go with. all we will see what happens. thank you both. >> thanks. >> thanks. when you think of world war ii, you might think of battlefields in france or the pacific. right off the coast of north carolina? a battlefield under the see, giving up its secrets, including a german u boat that hasn't been seen in nearly 75 years. we will talk to one of the leaders of that expedition next. i'm in. ♪ ♪ one, two, - wait, wait. wait - where's tina? doing the hand thing? yep! we are all in for our customers. ally. do it right.

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>> over 5,000 men and women worked on the site since 9/11. to have all these people work here every day, it is a sense of joy and pride for them. for me personally to be able to work here, a tremendous joy, tremendous pride. we are doing this for all of new york. >> america is coming back. this friday on happening now, we go through ground zero, touring one world trade, a new transition hub, memorial plaza, and the 9/11 museum and new buildings that have risen from the rubble. new information on a world war ii battle that's been lost to history. the battle of the atlantic which reached all the way to american shores. part of it unfolded near the north carolina force where the german submarines sank a freighter. a u.s. convoy and military escort sank that u boat that went down with all hands. fast forward more than 70 years,

researchers found the two vessels in 750 feet of water, 35 miles off cape hatteras. this summer they descended into the ocean for the first up close look at the wrecks. what they found is stunning. two incredibly preserved shipwrecks. we're going to talk about the term shipwreck. how it is different here. one of them a war grave, final resting place for 45 german submarine sailors. fortunate to have the leaders of the ex-petition here. joe hoyt and david allburg. congratulations on a big find. quite an exciting time to look at it. dave, you say when you look at these waters, essentially what you're looking at is the gettysburg of world war ii. why do you make that comparison? >> one of the things for most people, second world war was a place, a battle that was fought

overseas and places with strange names, strange lands. for very few people realize that the second world war came home to north carolina and it is one of the only places along the east coast and continental united states that the war came to them. we view it differently than just sunken shipwrecks but u.s. battlefield. >> we want to get to the fact tough times a battlefield. we are seeing video of the submersible. tell us what it was like. >> it was incredible. we had been studying these sites over six years. they seemed unreal when you're reading and learning about them. to actually get the opportunity to go down, descend through water column 750 feet and see these come out of the gloom at you is an unbelievable

experience. >> what did you see there? >> so the wreck, first came upon u 576, it looks pretty much if you took a u boat and laid it on the sea bed, just like that. in perfect condition. very little damage. a little damage near the starboard side bow just after the tiefg plane that looks superficial. unable to determine if it is from the bow or not. it is pristine. outer hull bearing is laying on the sea bed like it would have looked in 1942, a little marine growth, sediment, it is unbelievable. >> you use the term shipwreck. as pointed out, battlefield archeology may be more appropriate. what did you learn from what you were able to see underwater? >> i think we looked at the pictures and analyzed data that's come off. one of the first things you

notice about the u boat, the dive planes are tilted upwards. this u boat sank swiftly, in addition to dive planes being tilted upwards, indication she was trying to get back to the surface, next thing you see is hatches are sealed. it is a shipwreck but also a grave cite, remains sovereign property of the government of germany. for us, although it is a foreign enemy vessel, it is also an important part of american history. a chapter of american history that's kind of been lost. when i see the u boat and our team analyzes it, we look at it from the perspective that we are preserving, assuring this chapter of american history is passed on to another generation. >> joe, i would like you to reflect on that. as you pointed out, there's no normandy in the united states, but we know the costs to our country. i am curious your personal

reflection reflections, not only as archaeologist, but science, and as an american. >> far away places. even when you think of valley atlantic, it's an oceanic war. and one way that we were trying to characterize this is to characterize these features in the landscape like oceanic current, water depth, much like you would conceptualize to a battle field, tree line or trench in the area of high ground. we're just now getting to the point where we can visualize all nice things and really start to understand the significance of this battle and our challenges to capture this in such a way that we can virtually raise it and understand it. and in the process of doing that, we've learned quite a bit. but really just the act of being there and seeing it and taking what is this piece of history

that you've conceptually know about and making it real and as dave said seeing the hatches down and dive planes, it's remarkable to be able to see them. in i >> it's so close to the shore, it hits home. congratulations on the discovery and we look forward to learning more. we'll be right back. i had that dre

how is it that one major proper-profit college shut down its campuses nationwide amid a federal crackdown yet another one still thrives? plus will donald trump's new proposals to update the military work? i'll ask a panel of experts who

served in both iraq and afghanistan. and does apple's new iphone have a battery that doesn't die on you halfway through the day? it's being unveiled and we have the new details. and america's election headquarters starts in six minutes. see you then. nearly 3 million u.s. children attend charter schools and it's been 25 years since the first charter school opened. studies tout their success, but there is still a lot of resistance from some educators and even parents. dan springer has a closer look. >> reporter: yeah, there are a record 6800 charter schools in the u.s., but only eight here in washington state. and those eight are in jeopardy because of a lawsuit and it's not based on performance of the schools or the kids. in fact charter school students it better than their peers in traditional public schools. washington education soergs which is the powerful teachers union sued to block all charter schools arguing that they take money away from the district schools.

and the state superintendent says he must be in charge. of course that defeats the purpose of charter schools which are designed to be free from political pressures so they can innovate more quickly. most don't have union teachers and they get by with far less funding than traditional public schools. but a 2013 stanford study found charter school students had the equivalent of 28 additional days of learning and reading per day and 40 more days of math. and charter supporters say the unions have the wrong priorities. >> charter schooling threatens to disrupt arrangements around teacher benefits, teacher insurance policies and pensions. charter schooling creates disruptions that might affect teachers' jobs. >> reporter: 42 states and the district of columbia all allow charter schools and they are growing. >> dan springer reporting live for us. thank you. we'll be right back. (announcer vo) that's right, keep rockin'.

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big night tonight in new york city with the two candidates giving their defense posture positions. >> we'll see how they do. >> thanks for joining us. >> america's election headquarters starts right now. and we start out with a fox news alert. donald trump announcing plans to expand our military if he becomes president of the united states. hello, everyone. i'm heather nauert. donald trump says he will have a plan from pentagon leaders within 30 days and calls on congress to submit a new budget developing a state-of-the-art missile defense system as well as upgrading ballistic naval systems. and he plans to ask joint chiefs of staff on review all military technology including power grids and infrastructure from cyber attacks. trump also highlighting what he says are the reasons tha