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friday. again, thanks for watching us tonight. i am bill o'reilly, please always remember that the spin stops here. we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, exactly two months until america elects the next president and brand-new polls out late today show this race getting tighter in some of the most critical battleground states. good evening and welcome to "the kelly file," everyone. i'm megyn kelly. hours ago one of the nation's most trusted pollsters releasing new surveys from four key states, and things are in play. tonight donald trump on the campaign trail making his second visit this week to ohio, talking education in cleveland. the quinnipiac university poll telling us why he's there. it is a dead heat. clinton at 45%. trump at 46%. mrs. clinton's four-point lead from early august disappearing. and in florida, it is also tied
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with both candidates at 47%. in north carolina, clinton is ahead by four points, just outside the margin of error. that's the first time quinnipiac has polled in that state. and in pennsylvania, the most dramatic change. clinton's lead now cut in half, down from ten points in august to five points today. now she's ahead 48% to trump's 43%. so what does it tell us? chris stirewalt is our fox news digital politics editor, and mo elleithee is the director of the georgetown institute of politics and public service. stirewalt, how do you see it? >> first of all, thank god that we have polls. we've lived in this wasteland of garbage internet polls, and finally we have real polling, so i'm excited. >> you're a poll snob. >> i know. i'm such a poll snob. but the truth is this is really important because it tells us the shape of the race is changed, and it changed from where trump was getting blown out after the conventions to now
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he's back in a tie in the two states, of course, that every republican has to win, florida and ohio. pennsylvania wasn't ever really going to happen. i don't think it's going to happen unless donald trump turns this around and becomes some sort of wave election for him, but i don't see pennsylvania in the running. but it's north carolina that ought to worry home because given the fact he's got a problem in colorado and virginia and other states to put together the republican map, if he can't win in north carolina, he's got big problems. they've been spending a lot of time there. >> he needs north carolina, needs it. mo, how do you see it? some of her supporters got nervous when they saw that, and some of his got very happy. >> and i'd say this as a former hillary clinton staffer. we should be nervous, right? i mean you don't want to be complacent at this point. these polls kind of show why. we've seen other state polls in the past week that do as well. what's really interesting, there were two different organizations that did 50 state polls in the past week. washington post survey monkey did one of the most extensive ones i've seen. and they show something similar, that in a lot of these states
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that you just talked about, the race is tight and within the margin of error. but what's really interesting to me is you're seeing the number of traditional battleground states shrink. chris just talked about virginia and colorado, which have become perennial battleground states. she's doing fairly well in those states, outside the margin of error. the number of traditionally red states that have become battleground states is increasingly worry some, i would think, for the trump campaign. georgia is dead even. arizona is within the margin of error. it shouldn't surprise anyone that donald trump chose to give that big immigration speech in phoenix, and the next day hillary clinton's campaign went on the air there. something is happening. they're seeing something in the numbers in arizona. so, you know, if you look at the full landscape of all 50 states and the polling and the election were held today, she would win fairly comfortably in the electoral college. so i do think there's something to worry about there for the trump campaign. >> what do you think is the
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conventional wisdom right now? is it it's hers to lose and he needs a yuge event to turn it around? does he have to go into those debates and go for broke, or does he have to just sort of slow and steady, slow and standard, be a statesman, don't say anything crazy, and somehow hope, you know, the sort of missing trump voters that his campaign has suggested are out there show up on november 8th? >> no. he needs the contour of the race to change. while i would though that survey monkey polls out on their ear and all of that other garbage, total, but in that case, deserved. i want polls in maine. i want polls in new hampshire. i want polls where all of these white people are living and voting. i want to know is donald trump competitive in minnesota? is he competitive in maine? is he competitive? new hampshire? if that's the case, mo is right. we could be looking at a changed map. if we're not, then we're looking at a race where donald trump has trailed all along.
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he's closer now, but he still needs the structure of the race to be changed in order to win. and that's the reality for him. >> mo, i get that she has this better ground game than trump. everybody says that on both sides of the aisle. but he is tightening this. i mean it's getting tighter, and the question is why and whether, in the next two months, it can get so tight that the positions reverse and he's over? >> yeah. well, i wonder how much it's really tightening, or how much it's just settling? both campaigns got little bumps coming out of their conventions, and that's natural and normal, and that always happens, and it usually settles. we are sort of a 50/50 country or maybe more accurately a 40/40 country. here's why that ground game matters. you know, when you have races like the states we just talked
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about that are within the margin of error, the ground game really does matter. a really strong ground game is worth two to four points. that's the margin in some of these polls. >> and trump is just now opening up offices in florida. why is he just now opening offices in florida? >> big, big hoop la over the fact he's opening 25 offices in florida this week. the clinton campaign has had over 50 offices in florida for months. they've been investing in those organizers that are out there knocking on doors and making phone calls and developing one-on-one relationships with voters. that matters. if these numbers are right. >> well, if his can do twice the work of hers, maybe he'll make up the difference. >> everything about him is super human. >> it's great to see you both. has anyone here seen the movie parenthood with steve martin and diane wiest, and she's got a couple of kids the one of them
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is played by joaquin phoenix, and every time she sees him, she says, hi, gary. that is how i think about gary johnson. i'm going to ask him about it when he comes on the show momentari momentarily, that and aleppo. >> those new polls are coming in as these candidates are hammering each other out on the campaign trail. mrs. clinton arguing that trump does not have the qualifications to be president. trump followed up on last night's commander in chief forum by offering a dramatic play by play takedown of her e-mail scandal. the gloves are off. here he is in cleveland a few hours ago. >> hillary clinton's staff deleted and digitally bleached, which is acid-cleaned, her e-mails after receiving a congressional subpoena. that's after receiving, not before. that's after receiving. she gets a subpoena from the united states congress, and she deletes and bleaches.
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she also and her staff destroyed some of her 13 different phones, but this time with a hammer. i've never done that. then when she was interviewed by the fbi, she claimed she couldn't remember important events 39 times. she couldn't even remember whether she was trained or handling classified information. didn't remember anything about it. so she -- so if she didn't remember, that's a problem. and if she did remember, that's a problem. she even said she didn't know what the letter c stood for, whether it was confidential, classified information, or something. all the while, as hillary and bill raked in millions of dollars from special interests,
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the world was falling apart. >> joining me now, monica crowley, fox news contributor, and former foreign policy assistant to president nixon, and roland martin who is host of news one now and a senior analyst on the tom joiner morning show. roland, let me start with you. man's got a point, no? >> i know where she got that hammering from the blackberry from. she got that from tom brady. he's a trump supporter. it's a great idea. >> don't throw a sports reference at me. i can't follow. stay on hillary and hammers and bleach. to me, you tell me. i thought the most salient point there was the fact that after she got the subpoena. after she got the subpoena, she did those things. the guy maintaining the server said he had an oh, blank moment but still went ahead and wiping things clean. >> look, here's the deal. if you're donald trump, this is what you need to attack her credibility, so it's no shock he's doing this.
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but it's a little hard for me to listen to donald trump talk about how hillary forgot something when he forgot he was actually for the iraq war but now he's against it. he might want to have his memory checked as well. >> monica, that man's got a point too. roland and trump both making good points tonight. your take. >> well, what struck me, megyn, about the way donald trump made this argument and the actual argument, two things. one, his tone. when he was attacking mrs. clinton today with the truth and with the facts, he did it in a tone more out of sorrow than in anger. >> mm-hmm. >> and i think that's actually a much more effective tack and sort of ronald reagan's approach of well, there you go again. the second thing too is we know the most problematic scandals for any politician are the ones that reinforce a preexisting negative notion about that candidate. and the reason why the server and the e-mail scandal, which
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continues to drip, drip, drip with every passing day -- the reason it's become so damaging to her, megyn, is because it reinforces this already existing notion that she is fundamentally untrustworthy, dishonest, out for herself, and above the law. >> what about that, roland, because last night one of the things she said was, i did everything right. and she talked about how there was no header on these e-mails and, thus, how was i to know? meanwhile, the people who work for her had been taking off the headers, in some instances at her direction. so is it like -- the american people know she did not do everything right, and it's amazing, is it not, that she still doesn't have her story straight on this issue. >> i have said this multiple times. i was on your show last week. i said this on tom joiner. i said it on tv one. move the hell on, okay? this is very simple. learn to pivot. 53% of african-americans lost their wealth during the home forecast crisis. she was rushed last night when
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matt lauer asked her about the isis questioned but spent 12 minutes on e-mails. simply admit i screwed up. i shouldn't have done it. the fbi, 100 people investigated. they chose not to pursue charges. i'm focused on jobs for the american people, and if they ask you ten times, give the same answer. but you're not going -- smart peoples sometimes want to prove they're really smart. they can convince you. you're not going to convince people. you're wasting time. keep explaining. simply say i made a mistake. i shouldn't have done it. i won't make the same mistake again. >> meanwhile, donald trump and the republicans who support him are sitting back, like, enjoying the popcorn because she still clearly hasn't found the message on this, and she's been struggling on the e-mail front for weeks now. those very weeks that donald trump has been closing the gap between the two of them in some of these critical polls as we saw. so you tell me whether she needs to keep working on it and come up with a better message than the one we heard last night. >> well, she does, megyn, you're
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right. the problem is that she can't. two-thirds of the american people took a look at the fbi report, and they believe that she should have, in fact, faced prosecution. since barack obama became president in 2009, seven people have been prosecuted for far less in terms of mishandling classified material, two of whom have gone to jail. >> but they did it intentionally. that's the difference. just for the record, what the authorities found in those cases was there was an element of intent that they found lacking, they say, in the clinton case. go ahead. >> the fbi director comey indicated that the fbi could not find criminal intent. the problem, megyn, is twofold. one, the fbi never asked her what her intent was in setting up this private, unsecured, non-government server and network. and, two, just by virtue of setting it up, that was the intent. >> mm-hmm. >> didn't james carville tell us once she didn't want darrell issa going through her e-mails. now she's got chaffetz and
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judicial watch and gowdy and us. i got to go. see you both. >> focus on the issues. hillary clinton is not the only one facing new fire tonight. general jack kane is here on the controversy over what mr. trump said about our military leaders. and bill bennett weighs in on how the iraq war issue may be playing with voters. he's here. he's excited. don't worry. plus after hosting last night's presidential forum, nbc host matt lauer being accused of everything from embarrassing his profession to outright sexism. i'll tell you what i think too. howie kurtz, former white house press secretary bill burton on what lauer did and whether he deserves this blowback. man, people are mean. and then a story that's literally the stuff of nightmares. reports of creepy clown sightings now spreading across the country and brian kilmeade is here with the results of our investigation. >> in my 20 years, i'm not familiar with a spree of clown sightings. so this is unique, a little bizarre.
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developing tonight, new fallout surrounding comments that donald trump made at last night's commander in chief forum. he criticized american generals as having been, quote, reduced to rubble under president obama, suggesting he knows more about
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isis than america's greatest military minds. >> so let me read some of the things you said. i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me. was that the truth? >> well, the generals under barack obama and hillary clinton have not been successful. >> do you know more about isis than they do? >> i think under the leadership of barack obama and hillary clinton, the generals have been reduced to rubble. they have been reduced to a point where it's embarrassing for our country. >> joining me now, the architect of the successful iraq surge, the general who is chairman of the institute for the study of war, general jack keane. great to see you, sir. >> good to see you, megyn. >> what do you think of that? >> well, i'm not sure what he meant by it, but let me just put some facts on the table. it's well established now by many of us that we've had a weak american president, commander in chief, for almost eight years now, and that makes generals look weak. we may have some politicized generals if that's what he's
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implying, but the reality is that every major force level decision, megyn, that our generals have made, this president has rejected. in early 2009, a campaign plan developed by petraeus and general mccrystal to defeat the taliban, they required a minimum force of 40,000. president obama rejected that recommendation and provided 25% less. he also decided he would pull the force out in 12 to 15 months. those two decisions doomed afghanistan to the current state we find it now, a protracted stalemated war and robbed us of the opportunity for victory. in 2011, general alston, four-star commander in iraq, recommended to the president a force level of over 20,000. the president rejected it and pulled out all the forces with what is now known as a disastrous consequence in syria. in 2012, general dempsey and jen
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petraeus, recommended to the president robustly arm and train the syrian moderates. he says no. in 2013, conduct a military strike, same national security team, against the assad regime because he violated the chemical red line. he says no. >> i get your point. you could go on. but your point is trump is not wrong that, if you think about it, the generals have been reduced to rubble. in other words, they've been reduced to almost useless because whatever they tell this commander in chief, he disregards. >> yeah, and then in 2014, what happened is as opposed to asking him what are we going to do about isis? he says i want to destroy after they beheaded our americans and invaded iraq, he tells them what they're not going to do. no boots on the ground. the minimum 300 advisors. of course he's changed that nine times. an air campaign with no civilian casualties and we're not going to be able to provide an air/ground team to help make that campaign more effective.
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we have never, ever have those k50i7 kind of restrictions placed on us in my understanding of military hiss in thtory in this. those kind of restrictions are unprecedented. general jack keane, a man who knows of what he speaks when it comes to fighting a war, which he's done many times. thanks for being here, sir. well, the republican nominee made more news today visiting a charter school in cleveland. he strayed from the topic of education and unleashed a lengthy response to media fact checkers who have questioned his opposition to the war in iraq. watch. >> iraq is one of the biggest differences in this race. i opposed going in, and i did oppose it despite the media saying, oh, yes, no. i opposed going in. three months before the iraq war started, i said in an interview with neil cavuto that perhaps we shouldn't be doing it yet.
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then on march 25th of 2003, just after the war had started, just days after, just a little while after, i was quoted as saying the war is a mess. in july of 2003, i said i would love to see new york city and some of our cities and some of the states of our nation get some of the money that's going toward iraq. then in august of 2004, very early in the conflict, extremely early in the conflict, right at the beginning, i made a detailed statement in an interview to "esquire" magazine. this is a quote, an absolute quote -- look at the war in iraq and the mess that we're in. so i just wanted to set the record straight. there is so much lying going on. it's a big mistake. totally destabilized the middle
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east. it was a big mistake. death. death to so many people. >> joining me now, bill bennett, education secretary under president ronald reagan. great to see you, bill. >> thanks, megyn. >> the truth is that's revisionist history and trump, you know, is -- he is not mentioning the fact that in 2002, he told howard stern before the invasion that he was for invading iraq, and here is that clip. >> are you for invading iraq? >> yeah, i guess so. you know, i wish it was -- i wish the first time it was done correctly. >> and then he gave many interviews thereafter. in none of those did he say he was against the iraq, although now he claims he had this principle stand from the beginning. then he got to the point, as did most americans, where he started to criticize it and say he was against it. you tell me whether i have misstated things. >> no. i think you stated them right. i think it's best to tell the truth, tell the whole truth. he can say, look, i said i guess
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so, and i thought so for a while. then after i thought about it and studied it more, i made a firm decision and changed my mind. >> right. people can understand that. he'd probably still get credit for having hesitations and never have really thrown his support behind it, and saying i don't like this. >> here's the more important thing it seems to me, megyn, if i may, that a lot of people are missing. he was a private citizen. he was a businessman. this wasn't his responsibility. >> but he is the one who is trying to claim credit for having the vision. so we have to go back and look at what he said. if he didn't make an issue out of it, the media wouldn't be saying, when you were running the apprentice, you were in favor of the -- he is the one who is saying, look at my great judgment. if he's making us go back to look at it, we've got to look at all of it. >> but she has to take the responsibility for being a u.s. senator and, in her own mind, getting it wrong.
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the irony here is they were both wrong. i think we were right to go into iraq, and i think jack keane, as you pointed out in recommending the surge and executing the surge, proved we were right. but, yeah, we need to get the record absolutely straight. >> what did you make of her standing up last night in front of, you know, these men and women who had served in iraq, who had served the country honorably, who had sacrificed their safety, their comrades had fallen, in some instances right around them, and saying it was a mistake. like she couldn't stand by her vote. she couldn't say with the benefit of hindsight. she couldn't speak about the gains we made, which her democratic vice president said it was going to be the biggest success story until we left without any residual forces there. >> i thought it was awful but all too typical too, megyn. she's got a record as a government official, a united states senator, the secretary of state. he has no such record. i understand when he says i was for this, i was for that, we
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should examine it, but he doesn't take responsibility for those decisions. she does, and she must. look, it's like the $25,000 you were talking about earlier in florida. there's a question of scale. $25,000, you know, with trump. hundreds of millions of dollars with the clinton foundation while she was in government. this is what's hurting her. this is why she's falling, i think. and he is not on the ground yet. once he gets on the ground, look how close it is with all the mistakes that have been made. i think he can get there. >> bill, great to see you. >> thank you. we're also digging into some wild reports -- and i do say wild -- that hillary clinton was wearing a special ear piece during last night's event. is it true? we'll do a fact check. plus matt lauer is taking heat from many, many people for the way he handled last night's presidential forum. up next, we have howie kurtz along with former white house press secretary bill burton and a couple of thoughts perhaps from yours truly on how matt managed the whole thing.
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61 days to the election, and, whoa, is there some fierce backlash to matt lauer and how he handled the forum that last night put the two candidates on the same stage for the very first time. critics accusing lauer of going easy on trump and hammering clinton, pointing specifically to his questions about her e-mail scandal. >> you said you made not the best choice. >> mm-hmm. >> you were communicating on highly sensitive topics. why wasn't it more than a mistake? why wasn't it disqualifying if you want to be commander in chief? and you said you thought your communications in that were fairly routine. director comey also said this after reviewing all the information. he said there is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in secretary clinton's position should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. some of the e-mails you sent and
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received happened while you were overseas and director comey also said that while they have no proof, we assess that it is possible that hostile actors gained access to secretary clinton's personal e-mail accounts. >> new york times columnist nicholas kristof tweeting that the forum feels like an embarrassment to journalism. some guy over at cnn says an unnamed nbc executive called lauer's performance a, quote, disaster. howie kurtz, host of fox news' media buzz. i'll start with this. i am friends with matt lauer and i respect matt lauer a lot. i think he doesn't get nearly enough credit for the tough questions he asks on that show. i don't know, howie. you can't win in this election. you can't win, especially with, with all due respect to our brethren, the left wing press because they want to see you
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kill trump. and if you try to throw too much shade at hillary, then they want to kill you. your thoughts. >> moderators are big, fat targets these days. any fair reading would say this. matt lauer did a solid job. he threw hardballs at both candidates with one swing and a miss, which we'll get to. a lot of criticism from the left is people who think trump is an outrageous liar and matt lauer should have smashed him to smith reens. the columnists are say what they want. lauer surrenders to trump. this from a guy who asked trump, can america take the risk of electing a guy who makes so many incendiary comments that you could spark a war? >> the amount of opinion that goes into these reports, this is what happens. even when i had my interview with trump in may, this is just described as somebody by sycophant, that i was a sycophant, that i am a trump sycopha sycophant. this is what happens if you
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don't kill 'em, bill. they want every interview to be a kill 'em, kill 'em. it's ridiculous. it wasn't matt lauer's job to kill him or her last night. your thoughts. >> well, first of all, i've long thought that you were a trump sycophant, so i'm not surprised you got called out on it. you know, look, i think that matt lauer does do a good job doing interviews on the today show but i think there's five or six people ahead of him at nbc who could have done a much better job. >> what did you not like? >> well, look, i'm not one of the people who complains about the questions to hillary clinton about the e-mails. i think there are questions out there. i think people do wonder certainly specifics, but as i watched that in real-time, i thought, well, he's being pretty tough on her. this is setting him up to be very tough on donald trump as well. the problem was he wasn't. for starters, he constantly interrupted hillary clinton. he called her to task for
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mentioning donald trump. he never did those things to trump during the course of the debate. it was uneven. the performance lacked what the american people, i think, needed in order to like make a fair assessment of who would be the better commander in chief. >> trump, though, if the goal is to make news, right, with this candidate, which generally that is your goal as a news person. look at all the news he made with trump. he didn't have to beat him up in the moment. yes, he could have fact-checked the iraq war thing, right? but, howie, he got him to stay all the stuff about putin and all that stuff about the generals. you know, these emerging positions he's been taking on iraq. he made a lot of news. >> right, and if it was such a flop of an interview, how is it that we're still talking a day later about the things that trump said and that is providing more fodder for the campaign. i do think matt lauer fell down on the job because it was predictable that trump would say, i oppose the iraq war, and he should have come back. but on other things, there was sustained questioning of hillary
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clinton about the e-mail scandal. the recent trump controversies about the trump foundation improperly contributing. those weren't related to national security so maybe it wasn't the same kind of sustained questioning. moderators are targets now too. >> in a way, chris wallace will have it easier, you tell me, because they'll be next to aefn other. it's like have it. go for it, you two. when it's just you and the guy or you and the woman, it's tougher. >> yeah, i think that's right. but i do think that it was unbalanced. it's important to note even if you just look at the way that the debate opened or the forum opened, for hillary clinton it was the sustained questioning. for donald trump, it was, well, please tell me why would you do such a good job as commander in chief? >> but, you know, that can also be a tactic by the interviewer to get the candidate talking,
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and with trump, it's always fascinating when he does. >> generally that is true. >> there's always a headline. always. great to see you both. >> my pleasure. >> thank you. >> chris wallace is going to do a great job, mark my words. a conspiracy theory involving hillary clinton is now bubbling up today. we'll investigate the mystery of the magic earpiece. plus -- >> what would you do if you were elected about aleppo? >> and what is aleppo? >> gary johnson is here live in studio next with what happened after that remark. stay tuned. don't let dust and allergens get between you and life's beautiful moments.
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about aleppo. >> and what is aleppo? >> you're kidding. >> no. >> aleppo is in syria. it's the epicenter of the refugee crisis -- >> okay. got it. got it. >> predictably the media pounced with major media outlets questions and sometimes mocking his awareness about a hot spot unfolding in syria. but some of that same media that slammed governor johnson for not knowing more about syria also ignored a story there this week, a chemical weapons attack that got no mention on any of the major networks. gary johnson joins "the kelly file" live in a moment, but first we go to benjamin hall in london with the big story from aleppo. benjamin. >> reporter: megyn, it's been just over three years since president obama said that the use of chemical weapons in syria would be a red line. well, today one report says it's just part of the normal. on tuesday, another attack in the northern city of aleppo. emergency volunteers were on the
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scene before the dust could even settle, and as they began pulling people from the rubble, they realized this was different. dozens were taken to an underground hospital with breathing problems, choking, and coughing. at least 70 people were treated and a 13-year-old girl and a 29-year-old man later died from complications. the casualties were filmed being washed and decontaminated to get traces of chemicals off their bodies, but the syrian government denies using chemical weapons. in october 2014, a russian led plan was agreed to remove syria's chemical spock pile from the country, all 600 tons of it. it's a deal now widely seen as a way to prevent obama acting on the red line. and today russia continues to help the syrian regime, bombing what it claims are terrorist targets, but which sometimes turn out to be u.s.-backed rebels. and at the same time, russia say they want to work with the u.s. there were talks of another meeting between kerry and his
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russian counterpart lavrov for friday, but the state department today said there isn't a big hope for success and they may no longer go ahead. i've been to aleppo. i've spoken to people who were in syrian gas attacks. they say they feel let down by obama, that he promised action and none was taken. today president assad continues to gas women and children. megyn. >> benjamin, thank you. joining me now, libertarian presidential candidate and former governor of new mexico, gary johnson. governor, good to see you. in all seriousness, you understand the situation there, right? >> sure. >> and uds understand why it's of grave concern that you aren't familiar? >> i'm very familiar with the situation. aleppo, though, this morning -- is this an acronym? and i should have known but didn't, and i'm the only one to blame for that. >> but do you understand, i mean, we've got donald trump praising putin. putin backs assad. assad is gassing his own people. those children are being burned
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by their own leader. >> yeah. >> and the next person who is going to be commander in chief here needs to understand those issues. >> well, and so those issues, aleppo, the fact that we back the opposition in syria, the opposition is the free syrian army. the free syrian army is also partners with islamists, isis. we arm the opposition. >> that's the problem. >> we arm the opposition. >> there was a time when they weren't in there and we refused to go in, and now they're all corrupted by these terrorists. >> well, arm the opposition. the arms end up in isis' hands. let's see. we're also backing -- >> what would you do? you've got a 13-year-old girl dead. there's videos of babies with chemical burns on their faces. what does a president gary johnson do to help them? >> let's finish out the story. then we back the kurds. the kurds are also against isis. >> i understand, but i'm trying to be more forward-looking with you because you're auditioning for a job.
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the question is what doesn't johnson do? >> understanding that in the very first place, we're in this situation because we supported regime change. and whenever we support regime change, it always results in things being worse, not better, and it started out with iraq. so here it is we're dealing with isis, and we will see isis to a conclusion. but it is -- >> this is assad. this is assad gassing his own people. >> so to deal with -- >> crossing the red line obama said he could never cross. >> we have to join with russia to deal with this. and then russia. so we've got russia that's also bombing the terrorists, and we're going to end up in a conflict, an air conflict -- >> under president jonhnson, we're out? >> no. we need to join with russia to deal with this diplomatically. that's the only way we're going to bring an end to that. >> russia is backing assad. >> i understand that. and so in that context, russia and us have to join to bring an
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end to this. and not that obama isn't engaged in this also, but if we don't engage in diplomacy to bring this to an end, a cease-fire at the start, it's not going to result in a resolution. >> governor johnson, let me ask you this. why didn't you know? i mean i appreciate you owning the mistake. i think the viewers -- we've all made the bad mistakes. why didn't you know? >> well, is it more important to know about the issue or is it more important -- and i'm not defending myself for not knowing. i'm not. but understanding the issues, understanding the underlying philosophy, policy that has us in this position today, i mean it's unbelievably complex. we're literally spending money on both ends of the gun shooting ourselves. >> yeah. governor, great to see you. thanks for coming in. >> thank you. >> it's hard to come out and admit when you make a mistake, so good for you.
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on national television, sometimes you have no choice. oh, and don't forget about this. let's hear it. >> see, you can't handle it. todd's working now. we'll find a place to live somewhere. hi, gary. >> have you ever seen that movie? >> i haven't. i guess i'm going to have to. >> we'll leave it at that. bye, gary. great to see you. >> bye, megyn. thank you. >> it's a great movie. up next, the crazy questions about whether hillary was wearing a mystery earpiece last night. plus we'll investigate the reports of creepy clown sightings when brian kilmeade joins us next. just by looking in my eyes. they can tell when i'm really excited and thrilled. and they know when i'm not so excited and thrilled. but what they didn't know was that i had dry, itchy eyes. but i knew. so i finally decided to show my eyes some love. some eyelove. when is it chronic dry eye? to find out more, chat with your eye doctor and go to myeyelove.com.
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hillary clinton dealing with what some are calling a conspiracy theory today as her campaign shoots down reports suggesting she was wearing a secret, covert earpiece during a presidential town hall last night. brian kilmeade of "fox & friends" has been investigating this, and you found? >> i found that it's not true, but it's going crazy. it's not going away. evidently they're claiming -- and i talked to jennifer griffin, who is following hillary clinton around because now she's talking to the press. it makes it more fun. they said it's the way the light hit the ear. it's just amazing the two websites are saying not only did this happen, they even found the type of thing it could be. some technology, which is operating on my favorite
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wavelength, which is 300 megahertz. the problem is, if you have someone whispering in your ear things, not that we ever do that, wouldn't she get better answers? wouldn't she have grown her hair over her ear? >> exactly. if you're going to cheat, you've got to at least like pull it down a little, change the style a little. put a wig on. >> plus matt lauer was so close, they were touching knees. so there's no way you put your ear piece in at that moment. >> it kept the internet aflutter for a full day. meanwhile there are serious problems again with clowns. you're officially our clown correspondent now. i don't mean that the way it sounds. >> i don't think there's a way to spin my way out of this being a positive story. gags the clown first got me on your show because gags was in green bay, and gags the clown was walking around with balloons, scaring people, which is not illegal. it turns out gags was not a bad person. he was somebody looking to create interest in a bad movie. >> oh. >> so now we have something else happening and it's happening in
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south carolina, where 30 kids say that this guy walking around in a clown outfit, it might be two people. it might be one. walking around in a clown outfit, saying, hey child, do you want a laser? do you want candy? do you want cash? by the time the cops show up, he's not there. >> why is he doing it? >> we can't find the clown to ask him why he's doing it. not only is it bad for a clown to do that because to lure kids is terrible. it's killing the business for good clowns who just want to work parties. if you're a good clown, now you're being lumped in. the scary thing is you are allowed to dress as a clown. that's not illegal. >> that's what the cops kept saying. there's nothing we can do about this. >> if you can help, the cops have put out this description. we're looking for someone, a clown or a person dressed as a clown. is there a difference? are you born a clown as opposed to somebody dressed as a clown? >> i got to leave it at that. i don't know what to think. my emotions are really confusec.
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