>> we'll be back here in an hour. we hope you will be too. >> absolutely. "outnumbered" starts right now. fox news alert, america. election day already begun with absentee ballot voting in the swing state of north carolina. new polls show hillary clinton's lead shrinking in key battleground states. this is "outnumbered." i'm sandra smith. here today, host of kennedy on fox business, kennedy. also from fbn, co-host of "after the bell," melissa francis is here. radio talk show host meghan mccain joins us. today's #oneluckyguy, there he is, fox news political analyst, co-host of "the five," juan williams. you are certainly outnumbered. >> i certainly am. sandra: good afternoon to you. happy friday. >> i'm the with the lucky guy part.

it is beautiful day. kennedy: should never complain about being outnumbered. >> why should i do that? sandra: why wait until november 8th. absentee balloting under way in north carolina as new quinnepiac polls show hillary clinton's lead shrinking in key battleground states. the democrat holding on to 4-point lead to donald trump. in the crucial state of florida, they are tied with 41% apiece -- 47% apiece. check out ohio. mr. trump holding one point lead this is important. no republican has gotten to the white house without winning the buckeye state. what is going on here, juan? what is the trend you're seeing? >> the question that the trend is trump is closing but hillary clinton leads. go back to recall august, sandra. it was eight points. now really about i think three points in the "real clear politics" average. the key here is how many swing states does trump have at this moment? he has none. sandra: you're right.

>> just even in ohio and even in florida as you just described it. i would say both states are critical. ohio, as you said. sandra: one point lead he has there. >> in florida, just about tied. but again, florida with 29 electoral college votes. today with voting beginning, you look at north carolina, very important, a swing state. you know what? political insiders are looking to florida because it is 29 of those votes and really, really if trump can win that you can start to see more options for path to victory for donald trump. sandra: when you look at this polling, make began is this tight as polls make it out to be? meghan: 100%. this bows off really bad six weeks hillary clinton has had. i think direct result of the drip, drip, from the emails. the american public isn't stupid. they see pay-to-play with the clinton foundation. they see everything we all see and hypocrisy in clinton emails. i was watching in that debate with matt lauer, i realized i actually don't know her. i was thinking about, what do i

know about hillary clinton, my first lady and power hungry and wears a lot of pantsuits. that is all i got. that is the problem. sandra: fill you in on a little bit more about hillary clinton? meghan: i grew up with hillary clinton as my first lady. right now i can't tell you anything i know about her really. kennedy: maybe there is not a her to know. what is interesting the dynamic flipped since the end of dnc in philadelphia because hillary clinton got a huge bump from the convention. donald trump made a series of missteps. all she had to do and reap benefits. same thing is happening for trump. if he can keep this course, i think he can narrow the race even more because what he is doing, he is appearing more presidential. he is sticking to the teleprompter. sticking to message. appears to listen to his team and we'll see more email drip, drips, we talk about on the show today. the more trouble she has with the server, more erodes her trust. i think now those battleground states are starting to catch up

with the national polls we've seen shift. melissa: what is interesting about the race from the ones we witnessed recently is the changeability of it. all the candidates talk about elasticity of anyone's lead you get way out in front and other person catches up. i don't think we've seen back and forth in recent memory. pretty incredible. makes battleground states really important. makes every single day. no one is so far behind they can't catch up to move forward, back to the point about hillary clinton. that is really true, when you sit here and see her talking there is such distance. that is always the thing with her. she is not really, people say she is not likeable but it is more, maybe more about being knowable. sandra: she is addressing that a little bit. we'll talk about that later in the show. she is trying to address that juan, that being said is she and her campaign worried at this point? is there time to make any major pivot on either side considering the amount of time left? >> oh, sure. her campaign is aware. these guys are pros. what you see from my perspective is that they are going to do

exactly what you just described, what melissa described, they will stark making hillary more of a person. i was interested to hear meghan say, she was my first lady, remember the controversy, monica lewinsky and stand by your man thing and should she thrown his clothes on the front lawn, cut up, people think i've been inside of that difficult marriage. you might have one position or another. should she stayed kept the marriage together, she is grandma. she will give speeches like that. meghan says she doesn't know her. to me as an old horse on the political circuit i think, yeah, i know about these people. you may not like them. you may remember whitewater as well. may remember vince foster and all conspiracy. not that the american people of my age are being introduced to hillary clinton. meghan: i would like to see her or say do anything that is authentic f i have to talk about you telling me to smile one more time, as much as i have so many problems with donald trump when

he is authentic i love it. i want her to be anything of a real person at anytime. when your daughter has to go on tv saying i don't get why people don't trust you. she is my favorite person. i never had to do stuff like that for my father. kennedy: it is personality. i don't think there is center to speak off and i don't think there is authenticity to dominate her campaign. melissa: must be something under there. i don't think anybody, any of us have before been allowed to see it. i'm in between you guys. i do remember the clinton white house stuff. i feel like for everyone you have no idea what is going on with their marriage and no idea with them, even more so than anyone else on the planet. we have no idea what kind of a relationship they have. kennedy: if there was somewhere to go and political advantage to it, she would have gone there. now we have new details about hillary clinton's emails, challenging claims she made to fbi what she didn't know. a government source telling

fox news virtually every paragraph in one of her messages contained markings used exclusively for classification purposes. meantime the justice department reportedly gave immunity to the computer expert who deleted her emails despite a subpoena. "new york times" means that republicans call for obstruction of justice probe into deletions won't go far. clinton i.t. strategist, bryan pagliano was also given immunity. brian fallon says quote, as fbi notes, neither hillary clinton nor her attorneys had knowledge of the platte river employees actions. it appears he acted on his own and against guidance given by both clinton and platte river attorneys to retain all data with congressional preservation request. juan, how foolish if you had to be working at i.t. facility like this to go completely rogue,

knowing there is a congressional order and a subpoena for these emails to be preserved and you go ahead and not only delete them, but you send them through a program that digitally shreds them so they are in essence irretrievable? only a person with professional death wish or someone wants to be incarcerated would do that of their own volition. >> key thing is, did know? remember essentially what justice department did, we're not after him. what we're interested is hillary clinton. we want to know if she was up to some tricks here. so we'll grant him immunity. that has come back to bite them arguably. i don't know if you heard earlier today on fox, congress people from the republican side saying justice department made the wrong bet. they bet on the wrong guy. if they had not granted him immunity they could bo after him. the point this is not about in: kennedy: what? >> you hear the conservatives all about hillary. "washington post" with editorial

i know will outrage the ladies because it says, this is such a small issue and yet people want to say this is reason not to vote for hillary clinton. sandra: why is it not a big deal. >> judgment about whether or not she made a mistake -- sandra: no, no. melissa: whoa. trying to cover paper trail what is going on with the foundation. trying to cover up the -- >> what is evidence of that? melissa: all emails come out. there is plenty of evidence. where they have said, hey, this person is great friend of foundation. they tried to go in through the front door to the state department and door was slammed on them but they have given us a bunch money give them a seat. >> that part doesn't exist. melissa: yes it does. [all talking at once] >> melissa francis knows about it, so apparently that wasn't destroyed, even so there was no evidence of any quid pro quo. kennedy: what about 14,000 emails fbi found and hillary

clinton said she turned over all the emails and 14,000 extra emails they are told to go through. meghan: give it simple. i give you 13 blackberries smash this with hammer, do it now, take it out back and smash it, there is something on that i don't want people to see. i would assume you have total toes or information -- if i'm telling to you smash my devices? it is not that complicated. it really isn't that complicated. >> she isn't a criminal. meghan: if nothing to hide or wouldn't be bleached. >> you know washington. be straight here. meghan: i grew up in arizona. >> you know washington people. i know some. washington people you know. believe me on their phones things like, senator mccain has senator graham's phone number and president obama's phone number. let's destroy this found. sandra: now, no, you don't have to destroy phone to get rid of information. anyone with iphone you can completely reset phone. meghan: one thing never happened, hillary clinton emailed chelsea clinton about

benghazi mentioned it was terrorist attack which is smoking gun with benghazi. the, first of all, my father has emails nothing having -- hope you're having a great day. it is nothing having to do with state secrets. if he did, why are you emailing me this? this is on email. people can read it. that is crazy. kennedy: for please send me state secrets. questions about the $1.7 billion cash payment the united states made to iran after a state department official testified he can not guarranty the money was not spent on terrorism. a report that the rogue nation may have gotten much more money than that. bill clinton strongly implying that donald trump's make america great again slogan is racist, turns out the former president may be forgetting his own rhetoric from the campaign trail. so much to discuss. who's with me? i'm in. i'm in. i'm in.

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sandra: this is fox news alert. just last hour the house passed saudi 9/11 bill allowing victims much 9/11 the families to sue the government of saudi arabia for damages. the senate passed similar bill unanimously. the president will veto it.

he fierce others will pass similar legislation setting up retaliation lawsuits. the position from the white house as josh earnest continues to reiterate not changed since they spoke to this in april. >> this is diplomatic dance. house voight and senate vote are feel-good votes. the families deserve every consideration and united states government and representatives in the u.s. congress should say to them, yes, if you have the basis for a lawsuit against the saudis bo for it, but the president, the executive has to consider just as you heard whether or not that opens the door to lawsuits against the u.s. this is the dance we had to do with whether or not u.s. troops, for example, in iraq, can be sued, can be taken to local courts and all the rest. sandra: that is what obama said when asked in april about this he said if we open up the possibility that individuals in the united states can routinely start suing other governments, then we're also opening up the united states to be continued to be sued by individuals in other countries.

melissa: yes and no. i don't know if i agree with that. say they do sue, and say they win judgment, are they going to collect? isn't saudi arabian government saying no. we don't agree with that. you're not allowed to sue us. we won't pay you. by the same tone that i don't know it prevents other citizens to sue the u.s. government and would they actually pay. do they respect a court ruling in another country they believe is unjust? i don't know that we're really not getting sued because we're not suing other countries. kennedy: written narrowly enough it is just specifically about saudi arabia. and why does every administration protect them? the saudis have been, you know, for lack of a better word, horrific. sandra: fair question, juan, do a response? >> i couldn't agree more. kennedy: i love when you agree with me, juan. >> i think like the 9/11 report. they hid those pages and republicans and democrats forever.

the idea of saudi complicity is not a mystery to me. again, people say, when you talk to the top officials, it is about protecting u.s. interests and our ally in the middle east. at some point you got to say, how come you guys put money into wahhabis and other terrorists later attack us? kennedy: one heck of an ally. >> i don't think they play fair. sandra: as we remember those lost on 9/11 this sunday, jon scott, who led our coverage on that terrible day, anchors starting at 10:00 a.m. eastern. we'll bring you live coverage of the ceremonies from new york city, the pentagon and shanksville, pennsylvania. 9:00 p.m. eastern tune in for an on core news presentation, fox news reporting, time line of terror. we'll bring that to you with no commercial interrupt shuns. it is all happening sunday on fox news channel. melissa: new concerns about iran as lawmakers demand answers about that controversial cash payment made earlier this year. the $1.7 billion was paid in

january and february. the first 400 million of it on the same day as four americans were released at a house hearing yesterday, congressman sean duffy to press one state department official to guarranty none of the money was used to fund terrorism. he hemmed and hawed a bit before we could give no such guaranties, watch. >> our assessment the vast majority of the money -- >> gain to me that. can you guaranty this money won't be used to for terrorism or hurt americans? >> it is our assessment vast majority gone to the critical economic needs that iran has had. i can't speak to every dollar will go in and out of iran as you know. melissa: another witness who worked on the iran deal, that the initial money may have only been the down payment. saying the real number could be more like $33.6 billion in cash and gold, paid to iran in secret in the past two years. meghan, start with you on this

one, it is one thing, the argument on the other side, this is their money, we'll give it back to them. a lot of countries owe us money. we owe countries money. it is not paid in cash and gold on a pallet in a tomorrow mark going into a plane. meghan: i have many things to say. of all the sins of the obama administration this is by par the worst most egregious. my favorite, john kerry called sean duffy to please postpone the hearing. why? number two, you have to put it in unmarked bills in suitcase, maybe that is shady. i like to make things complicated as simple as possible. the fact that this man can't sit on television and say we're not funding terrible rifle absolutely pelt trifies me. i don't know how you undo this. i think the money has gone quite frankly terrorism and i think any pro-israel american sitting

in the united states right now looking at this administration what they have done is horrified. melissa: juan? >> to answer to your question, meghan, we put in sanctions to the banking system made it difficult. i would hope you could find a way and do it. there were exigent pressures getting our hostages out of there. meghan: so it is a ransom. >> i don't think it is a ransom but i understand your point. kennedy: it is leverage. different word but exact same thing. >> getting back to what melissa was saying technically this is money left over from the iranian hostage crisis when in the '70s. kennedy: why now know? we dope have a formal banking relationship, why are we giving them cash. >> because we opened up discussion. kennedy: about this $400 million that was, transferred within hours, maybe even less time than that for the americans to come home. >> right. kennedy: that is not leverage. that is ransom. now we're hearing about from the free beacon, up to $700 million every month.

this is before the ink was dry or terms of the deal were finally negotiated. so somehow, before the deal is in place, we are allowing $700 million a month, why not wait for that formal banking relationship to be established to have the sanctions lifted formally from this country unilaterally? also for that money to be transferred? no one satisfactory asked that question and i think it is critical one. meghan: at same time iran is harassing us. harassing our naval ships. they know they can jerk us around. and they now have leverage over us. the ransom above all else, kayla mueller, woman from arizona killed by isis. why wasn't ransom give edge for her? kennedy: u.s. government would no the allow her family to negotiate. meghan: u.s. government would not allow her family to negotiate. kayla mueller can die but these people can't. live by the law. melissa: get sandra in here. sandra: i'm letting meghan go,

because this is something clearly fuming about. you have been, spoken on our show many, many times about that besides whether they can confirm money or payment to terrorism, just talking about the risk that it did, whether or not there is confirmation of it. meghan, you've been passionate on this issue. >> we don't allow families to negotiate and pay ransom. meghan: because we're funding terrorism. melissa: why okay the government to do it? kennedy: a bit hypocritical the united states government if they won't call it ransom call it leverage. the point cash was made for the transfer of american prisoners, wrong, wrong the absolutely 100%. >> i understand what you're saying but i don't think i think what happened is we opened doors of negotiation and talk, diplomacy with iranians for first time. we said as part of this we'll satisfy the money, we were losing in international courts owing the debt. melissa: plane of unmarked cash. >> because of banking -- meghan: death to america, death

to israel in the streets two weeks before it happened. give me a break. >> i agree with that. melissa: hillary clinton displaying the softer side gives a series of so-called uplifting speeches. whether the strategy will help or hurt her. but kind letter, gentler hillary, giving a speech, calling some of trump supporters deplorable in an interview. not very soft. ♪ the roses are blooming in herbal essences hair is delightfully fragranced with notes of moroccan rose and the freshness of springtime unforgettable, wherever you go the scents you can't forget... from herbal essences, blooming now! gilman: go get it, marcus. go get it. ...coach gilman used his cash rewards credit card from bank of america to earn 1% cash back everywhere, every time. at places like the batting cages. ♪ [ crowd cheers ] 2% back at grocery stores and now at wholesale clubs.

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>> we want to make sure to lift up egg she would do as president. to show people they can be uplifted. sandra: here is some of clinton's speech. >> humility is not something you hear much about in politics, is it? >> no. >> but we should. none of us is perfect but i learned to be grateful not just for my blessingses, but also for my faults and there are plenty. i've made my share of mistakes. i don't know anyone who hasn't. it is grace that lifts us up and grace that leads us home. [applause] sandra: a change in volume, a change in tone, juan. this is what she needs to do right now. >> i don't think there is any question. given the fact that the trustworthy numbers are so bad and as meghan said earlier, people, younger people feel like they don't know her. i think allowing her to become more of a person, it is so important. and you know, this week with the

matt lauer interview, there were a lot of questions, do women get treated differently in american politics. so is it the case that an american female politician has to be strong, has to come on with pantsuits and i can play with the big boys but at some point people say, hey, but are you authentic? where is the softer, real you? for her that is a real challenge right now. sandra: similar to donald trump, she's pulling out, bringing her family members out to speak on her behalf, to show her softer side. trump did it during the convention. she did it. chelsea clinton is out speaking for her saying there is no one i trust more than my mother. listen to this. oh, it is a read. i will play chelsea clinton. i don't trust anyone more than my mom. i couldn't imagine a better sign of faith or trust than that, to the daughter after major political figure in this country, meghan mccain is it

important to hear from the children? >> very important. people won't like this. i think they're doing it wrong. of course you trust your mother. of course you love her. that is not what i want to know. what do you guys do for fun? you know what my mom and i do, watch twilight zone and sit in bed with eat ben an jerry's. what do you do when i am not around? their life seems so scripted unreal to me. what does she do with the grandkids. get vines and snap chats hanging out with grandkids. a lot more ways to humanize her. do you guys cook together. first time you had your heartbroken. what did your mom broke you. melissa: i'm offended when you said by i know you didn't mean it like this. can a woman candidate be trited a soft and touch about same time. why are we talking about that women? never say that by the male candidate. no annoying everybody wantwent to the persecuting her for being a woman. she immediately goes down the road talks about how she was

bullied by men taking lsat. i saw that, media yesterday. why are we talking about someone as a woman. how about as a presidential candidate? that really annoys and offends me. kennedy: i don't believe her stories. if she can't remember 39 times in the middle of an fbi interview, how will she remember exactly verbatim someone said when she was taking lsat to try to get into harvard? i don't believe the story. you will get in and i go to vietnam and die. that is one of her, i came under sniper fire comments. i have to say, forgive me forecasting a skeptical eye on this whole thing, they tried this before in the spring. it fell flat. you know that jake sullivan and brian fallon, are going, hillary, we did some focus group testing. melissa: love your voices. kennedy: grace our polling testing very well right now in north carolina, georgia, arizona. thus we would like you to employ the words humanely in one of your speeches we are pandering to a entire group of people.

sandra: juan, you owe melissa apology. melissa, no no, no, no, no, no, no. >> because american women are always treated equally. that is not a problem. melissa: you start treating them equally by not setting them aside -- kennedy: isn't she being treated differently on her own, melissa, i need to show the softer side an change the way she is speaking? melissa: said that during the forum. the way donald trump is being covered it is like, what are you talking about? meghan: uses her gender as shield and spear. uses it for bad when she needs to. uses it for good, i'm a woman, protect me, everyone is sexist. >> they never talk about her voice. oh, they never pick on her about being a volume. first woman running for president. kennedy: no she is not. >> yes she sis. first major party nominee. meghan: everyone so nice to women in politics. sarah palin and michele bachmann. so much softer side on same day as new strategy rolling out, hillary clinton giving interview

to israeli news outlet unleashing on trump himself and their supporters. >> take trump supporters put them in two big baskets. what are call the deplorables. they're racist and they, you know haters, eliminate them from your thinking because we've always had a kind of pair knowic, prejudicial element within our politics. but there is a significant number of people who feel like nobody cares about them, and these people have a case to make and deserve to be listened to. meghan: what do you think of this, juan? >> sounded right to me. when you think about the kk people or the kind of bigots that have been stirred up by trump, yeah those people are deplorable in my opinion. i think her larger point there are people anxious, fearful, not only on economic issues but feel like, you know what? the country is changing at a rapid pace. they're not sure of their place in it. they're not sure anybody hears them and washington is dysfunctional. and they have a very low opinion

of the congress. so those people i think really want somebody who will speak for them and i think what she is saying is, those people are responding to trump. melissa: no, those are people sick of politics in washington. they're sick of system, that is normal, that is politics. when you pay and you're a donor, that is access how it works. that is what the clintons represent. that is what people are sick of. they are sick and tired of this idea it is velvet rope in washington. if you have money and you're lobbyist and special interest you get what you need and want. if you're a regular person, you get absolutely nothing. it is not about race hating. and not about people feel like country is i think thatting. it is not changing. that is the problem. that is what they're upset about. it is not changing. kennedy: status quo. >> it has been stuck like this forever. >> can't be one or the other. remember trump in his florida scandal where he is giving money, political contributions. melissa: that is how system works. that is how system works. i have money and go to washington and stop it.

he said i gave clintons money because that is how you get stuff from them. you seat it time and time again. give money good investment. >> he said that is the way politics works. he got them to do whatever he wanted to do. why would you voting for him if you were saying it is broken system? melissa: he is going to fire everybody in washington. sandra: go back to her strategy here and ian making this comment about trump supporters. why even go there? what benefit is she going to see from that, deplorables? >> i think there is benefit in identifying them. just like president obama is saying. i don't think this guy is qualified. what benefit. why should president of the flights saying that. kennedy: i have a question about the deplorables. do you think deplorables would have voted for hillary clinton's beloved senate colleague robert byrd. >> given his racist background? kennedy: yeah. >> they might what is your point. kennedy: there is racism on both sides. i don't think this is anything new to the trump campaign.

talks about two baskets of people the ratio is identical. does she really think half of donald trump's supporters -- >> she didn't say that. kennedy: that is the implication. meghan: we have to wrap on this. bill clinton taking on donald trump over his campaign slogan, making america great again. what the former president said and whether he has a leg to stand on. heartburn relief. the antacid goes to work in seconds... and the acid reducer lasts up to 12 hours in one chewable tablet. try new duo fusion. from the makers of zantac.

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and i move you back up on the social totem pole and other people down. melissa: turns out mr. clinton has a history of his own with that phrase. >> i believe that together we can make america great again. to secure a future for your children and grandchildren and make america great again. i want to tackle the problems and make america great again. time for a comeback. make america great again. melissa: use it like a white southerner does he knows what he is talking about, right? juan? >> i love this, i think this is so typical of american politics, gotcha politics. when he used this -- kennedy: gotcha politics. >> different campaign. we have a campaign going on here where there is clear racial division between trump supporters and clinton supporters. we are in an era, we are talking about in the previous segment with the deplorables where we have a lot of hate groups reacting, stirred up by trump's campaign.

melissa: why do you think about the race? it is about economy and. >> i think it is going back to the past. melissa: divide between rich and poor grown dramatically while president obama is in office. look at stats from the federal reserve, while he has been in office we've seen this huge divide. middle class jobs have gone away and economy is suffering. that is what he is talking about. he is talking about bringing manufacturing jobs back. putting people back to work. stirring up the economy again. with four or five, 6% growth. average during obama administration. 1.7%. sandra: teed her off. >> teed her off more i'm fred in the numbers. almost no unemployment right. 4.9%. melissa: lowest labor force. >> market is through the roof. when you ask americans thriving, almost half of americans says the economy is thriving. what trump is doing is appealing to low income, whites, who have lot of resentments and think we should go back in time.

meghan: go back to the campaign slogan because what this topic is b don't judge what resonates with the american people. this slogan hit a nerve with significant portion of the population. i think it is very dangerous tore clintons saying everybody believes this slogan, you're ignorant, trying to take us back. if she is trying to get swing voters down south which georgia is in play, this is not the way to do it. judge what emotionally resonating with the american people, total misstep. kennedy: by the way also very lazy. if the polls are narrowing not in your favor, to come out and say, now that all of sudden everything is racist, why not go back to the issues? why not go back to the things that work for you? why are you just saying that? it is amazing because, melissa is absolutely right. he can logically lay out this argument because it is one he is making as white southerner and has in the past. so incredibly hypocritical and, yeah, there is a racial divide in this country and it's horrible and you can see that with colin kaepernick national

anthem kerfuffle that we'll talk about a little later in the show and how that is dividing people along racial lines. i don't think politicians need to help that or throw care seen on the fire. >> identifying you're inflaming it? kennedy: not necessarily identifying. what it is doing is making it worse. around it is one thing to identify. it is another thing to offer solutions, economic and otherwise that make this country bert. >> you know i like it when people call out racism. kennedy: call it racism. but then where do you go from there? how do you make it better? >> okay. that is fair. that's fair. kennedy: valid thing to ask for people running from president. >> i think a lot of people are so uncomfortable with racism and racist behavior they put on blinders or. i don't like it. kennedy: i think that is happening on all sides. i don't think -- >> i don't think clinton campaign in '08 had racial baggage of the trump campaign in '16. meghan: one thing honestly, one thing makes me want to voter

donald trump liberals passing so much judgment on everyone in the middle, red state, down home american people who want change in washington, d.c. the problem is it is coming off very judgmental of a certain demographic of the population, which is of lower socioeconomic role and i just, i find it just so disrespectful. america is filled with lots of different people. we can have conversations about race. when you're throwing around racism way bill clinton did, i find it not productive. melissa: you're political point is interesting you don't win more people over to your side you attack people on their side, you're a racist if you like him. that doesn't get the people you're pointing at. kennedy: missing the point. it is not just about race. i think some of it is -- we're done. melissa: last night's game in the rear view mirror as all eyes on the nfl this, for kickoff sunday and not just for the games but to see who stands and who does not during our national anthem.

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sandra: we're laughing on couch. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. first to jon scott with what is

happening in second hour of "happening now." hey, jon. >> no laughing matter, unfortunately, sandra. north korea making bold claims about it is next nuclear test. how should president obama respond to kim jong-un's regime. what caused this eruption much dust and fire? we'll take you inside of the 9/11 museum, nearly 15 years after that awful day. what draws so many people to the solemn site. attendance ahead of projections. that is next hour, "happening now." sandra: jon, thank you. we'll be watching. kennedy: could we see more nnl controversy over the national anthem this sunday, the same day america remembers 9/11. seattle seahawks player hinted at quote demonstration of unity to show support for the flag. all of this of course in the wake of 49ers colin kaepernick drawing attention for refusing to stand during the playing of the star spank gelled banner. a during last night's game,

former team mail of him brandon marshall taking a knee. the team quickly released statement, we encourage members of the our organization to stand during the national anthem. we understand it is a personal decision. juan, how did colin kaepernick turn this into such a huge conflagration, such a huge controversy literally swept the nation? everyone is talking about this? >> what is intriguing to me that it is now sort of growing. that it is becoming more widespread. i think you've even seen like female white soccer player say. you can't tell people to shut up. it is his right. president obama has commented on this, he doesn't agree with it but it is his right to do it. and nfl has said that the player has the right. so i guess now, it is for players who have a platform, who think that it is going to in fact generate some support i am struck because i disagree with kaepernick that his jersey sales are now the top jersey selling

in the country at the start of the nfl season, from people who support this. kennedy: i think that is an anti-authority reaction. >> the rebel. kennedy: not necessarily thinking through what kaepernick might be saying. >> there are people who do support him. sandra: meghan said, it is so gross, is that what you said? meghan: not saluting our flag and spike in jersey sales is gross. anniversary of 9/11 is coming up on sunday. obviously all of us have friends and family in the military that served and sacrificed so much. people give ultimate sacrifice on in this country to sit on the couch. i understand we have freedom of speech in this country, incomprehensible for me to understand how anyone couldn't salute american flag. i can't understand it. kennedy: melissa, the thing for me, on 9/11 it has been 15 years. we're in a very politically contentious time. and we're almost having a an identity crisis in this country. how important it toys stop and

remember that in somber way that solemn day. melissa: yeah. kennedy: the fact that is going to be overshadowed by this, it seems unfair. melissa: we don't know it will be overshadowed. we don't know necessarily what everyone is going to do. it's a shame these things are coming together. to me 9/11 is totally separate. meghan: i want everyone that does this, if you're going to be athlete to do this, not salute to the flag, you have to go to walter reed and visit some of our veterans have their legs blown off for our freedom see what you're not saluting. that is not just about race relations. you go anywhere overseas you know what liberties and freedoms we take for granted every single day? this is the greatest country in the history of history. how dare you. i have a such a problem with this. melissa: completely respect your reaction to this people see it in different ways. meghan: i know -- melissa: seeing it nothing to do with veterans. they're not acknowledging that point. meghan: american flag what america represents to some people.

people die for this country. the idea you wouldn't understand that. again i'm not saying this country, we don't have our issues, of course we do, as you point out kennedy, this trend, possibly filtering down to high school students and thinks like that. very scary trend. kennedy: what is the ultimate goal of this? is it to have -- sandra: he achieved it. all the attention in the world. everybody looking at him. buying his jersey, in the great american economy that supports that. i mean he benefiting from everything that he is disrespecting. i don't know, meghan you got me all -- melissa: donating money from the sales? >> from the jerseys, that is what he says. melissa: we'll see. >> he said this has -- kennedy: $3 million he earns every year for being a backup quarter. donate that money to inner schools, incity schools. >> i couldn't agree more. kennedy: do something with cory booker to talk about criminal justice reform. talk about some specifics. why not --

>> here is my point. i think it comes back something we're talking about recaller, if you're trying to persuade people, hey you know what, there's a problem with excessive use of force against especially poor black people, hey you know what, this is not the way to persuade. this is the way to polarize, why i disagree with it. people taking advantage of platform. melissa: maybe start the conversation and do something more productive. kennedy: it continues, and more "outnumbered" in just a moment. i'm terrible at golf. he is.

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