good morning. it is sunday, september 18. i'm abby huntsman. new york city under attack. rocks the big apple injuring 29 people and windows blown out and buildings evacuated and and one pressure cooker found on that scene. this morning police search for more bombs, a possible suspect and ask, was it terror? >> that is the question everyone in new york city and in the country is facing. over a score of people injured, one critically. that's a big deal. >> more than 20 people injured. >> while you were sleeping. good to see you.

police have been ordering people tastay away from the windows as the bomb squad removes the pressure cooker bomb. one explosion in the chelsea neighborhood and then a pressure cooker a few blocks away. we have david lee miller live at the blast scene on 23rd street in manhattan with what we know now. good morning, david. >> good morning. the headline right now, no suspects, no known motive. it is now almost ten hours since the blast took place and behind me off in the distance perhaps you can see the flood lights still illuminating where police are working on the scene. at this hour, it is normal in this neighborhood for new yorkers to be returning home from a night on the town. instead, this street, 23rd street, a major east/west artery still remains sealed off. people at 8:30 last night reported hearing a very loud blast. there was no smoke, we are told. no fire.

the blast emanating from what is described as a dumpster. the ap being told that the device may have been located inside of a tool box. as you mentioned, 29 people were injured, one seriously suffering from a puncture wound. new york's mayor bill de blasio spoke after the attack and said this was not an accident. listen. >> the early indications, the initial indications is that this was an intentional act. whatever the cause, whatever the intention here, new yorkers will not be intimidated. we have the best police force in the country and a number of others making sure we will be safe. >> now the mayor made a point of saying there were no links to terror. but a short time later, a second device was found about four blocks north of this location. it was not detonated. those who have seen it describe

it as a pressure cooker with a cell phone attached. it was removed by the nypd. it was taken to an ny facility where it is now being inspected. also in this area this morning as you point out, many nervous new yorkers. this as there were a number of false alarms called in to police. people fearful there may have been other devices in mid-town manhattan. so far no others have been found. but police remain here on the scene trying to figure out precisely what happened last night and to prevent any further blasts. >> david miller live on the scene in new york city, thank you. joining us now, bernard. great to see you. >> good morning, guys. >> what do we know about this? >> it's too early to speculate on what the device is, who planted it. a lot of people are jumping on the terrorism thing. i wouldn't be so quick to do that. could have been some local

lunatic who had a gripe with somebody in the community. the second device, i think, i'm not so sure that was real. you know, if they thought it was real or it looked real, i think they would have tried to detonate it where it was. they got it out of there. they'll check it out. if it's related to the first one, it will give them a lot of evidence to identify the people. >> you look at the photo we have up there. this pressure cooker bomb, it didn't hurt anybody, but this is the reality that we face. somebody putting this together in their home wherever they are just with different pieces. it's so hard to detect that happening, right? >> it's extremely hard to detect. you know, if you go into a home depot in your local grocery store, you can put enough stuff together to create an enormous device, really. a devastating device. so, you know, the key behind finding these things and people that would do this is

intelligence, which is why it's so important for our local state and federal authorities to be communicating or working together to try to identify people doing this stuff. >> so, you've been his shoes. james o'neil, first day, literally first day on the job as police commissioner, bill bratton had just stepped down at the end of the week. what does he do next? this is big. >> jimmy o'neil is an extremely competent guy. he was chairman of the department for the nypd. he has a phenomenal police force. i mean, if you listen to the radio traffic last night, the response was phenomenal. they have the counterterrorism unit that was there. the fbi terrorist task force was involved. you know, look, if it's going to happen, luckily it happened somewhere here where we have the resources to address it. >> what about the big picture? pardon me one second. there was a pipe bomb found not

far from here thankfully the race had not started and nobody was injured. you had a mall in minnesota where someone shouts and there is a stabbing. >> you know -- >> unrelated? >> well, we don't know yet. you know, nobody wants to speculate. but these things are going to continue to happen. you're going to have copy cats. you're going to have real, you know, people, sleeper, if you will, that want to create havoc and devastation and kill people. but that's the world we live in. luckily we have a police department in new york city that knows how to deal with it and can respond to it. as the resources necessary to investigate it. i'm pretty confident that they'll pretty much have this resolved rather quickly. >> the mayor was intentional in describing this as an inte intentional act instead of an act of terrorism.

what are the signs he's looking at to reach that conclusion? >> they may have investigative evidence, interviews. keep in mind, they were out there and they interview and they canvas and they collected the camera material. that will go all night into today. keep in mind there are cameras everywhere in the city. >> how helpful could those be? >> they could be the building's, building owners, street cameras. you know, who knows. >> there were initial reports this could have something to do with the construction site in manhattan. >> and the construction sites themselves have cameras. so, it's, you know, look, an enormous amount of information you can collect from the scene like this. and preliminarily the mayor he was quick to say that this was an intentional act. okay. well, that means he's not going to say that, if they didn't know that. >> you have to give it to the first responders because they were on the scene when this happened. you drive into work this

morning. it has been dark since all this happened and it's still dark outside and you see them out there trying to figure out what happened here and to make sure there is still nothing else out there. what are they doing at this very moment? >> there is always this anticipation there could be secondary attacks. that is the fearful things in circumstances like this. you get there and somebody planted a real device. the first responders have to come, get rid of the people that are injured and all that stuff and what if there are secondary devices. these are fears that the first responders have to deal with. you noticed last night they don't give a dam. they go and they do their job. they put their lives on the line. it's a rough job. >> go ahead. >> the pressure cooker device, whether or not it's a real bomb, must contain an awful lot of evidence. >> enormous evidence. >> there was a phone apparently attached to this pressure cooker. >> it was related to this event, that's how they'll find out who

did the first one. if it's related. maybe some cook that went out there and did something stupid. >> this is a big city. people disappear, they go in all directions. you're, obviously, confident in this police force. why are you so confident it will be wrapped up quickly? >> because there is an enormous, just so much stuff that you have access to. you know, and technology is a big one. so, i think you give it, you know, another 24 hours and i think they'll have it in pretty good shape. >> people complain about these cameras, but in these types of situations, they can be the most helpful tool you have. >> in a post-9/11 world, this is what we have to deal with. >> bernie, great to see you. >> i'll be back later. a man shouting went on a stabbing spree inside a mall in minnesota. eight people were hurt, some

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and joins us now. sir, thank you for being here so early. we appreciate it. >> good morning. >> here we are this new reality we face. we can pull up the photo of the bomb that was made in boston. the boston marathon bomber and also the one that happened last night and they are homemade looking. you can make them oout of your apartment and go to home depot, get the equipment. this is the reality that we face. what is going through your mind having worked so closely with boston? >> here we go, again. it's important to realize and let people know that almost a hardly a day goes by that something is not happening somewhere. someone trying to get their hands on pipe bombs or ricin and we don't hear about most of these because they're prevented. in these instances, bombs went off so we're paying attention to it. this is the reality in the world we're living in now. we have to learn with the people who are out there working and

kind of follow along with what they do and as you're trying to show here today and do what they do to try to tie these things together and try tause what bombs look like and how they act and react to identify the people that might have built them and placed them. >>y, you mentioned this is the reality we live in and you're absolutely right, "inspire" magazines some of these terror groups have their own magazines that tell potential terrorists how to put this together. it's pretty easy, isn't it? >> it is easy when you think of all the material available. you're absolutely right. what is to our good fortune is that even though we have all kinds of information out there how to build a bomb and put them together bombmakers have their own signature. they do it in a certain way that one can be identified and separated from another. the credibly the people who are

bomb technicians and the people in the police department and in the fbi who can walk into the crime scene can sometimes tell you the minute they walk into a room if a particular bomb scene is related to a bomb and bombmaker. we had bomb techs who could walk into the room after an explosion occurred and they could almost tell us instantly because of the debris and because of the hickory wooden switches or the tape on the floor or the kind of nails maybe used as shrapnel. they could almost tell us right away that this is a unabomb device. so, in this instance where you essentially had three events now and all looked upon as separate events, they can, they now are starting over. they're looking at something that probably hasn't happened before, but what they'll be able to do in the next 24/48 hours is tell us from forensics whether these connected. >> yesterday it started 9:30. there was a pipe bomb in new

jersey and then last night on 23rd street and then the picture we have been showing you, the pressure cooker that didn't go off near 27th street. how important are video cameras because a lot of debate about privacy and how many cameras should be on the street. when something like this happened how helpful could that be? >> they're very helpful. i know people feel uncomfortable, but, again, that's the reality of the world we live in. the cameras are there and when something like this happens, they're absolutely a god sent and we can look back at the olympic bombings in 1996 in centennial olympic park in atlanta. we didn't have camera there's but because we interviewed so many people who had been there and had taken still photographs and video themselves all these people that we tracked down and interviewed and even finding people apt airports on the way out of atlanta turned over film and video and a massive display

of all these still videos was developed in the command post in the headquarters of the bomb investigators. and amazingly, we were able to piece together all kinds of information that resulted in interviews and leads and showed us what it looked like there. >> well, terry, these investigations have come a long way since when you were tracking down the unabomber through packages in the mail. these terrorists use the internet, unfortunately, to help with these bombmaking and what not. also, fortunately, as you point out, law enforcement has a lot of tools they can use right now. we appreciate your insights this morning. thanks for joining us. >> you're very welcome. new york city's mayor said last night's explosion was intentional, but not terror. >> there is no evidence at this point of a terror connection to this instance. >> is the may just being

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institute of world politics plus the author of a terrific book called "defeating jihad." great tasee you this morning. >> good morning. >> is this attack what it appears to be? >> look, this is a very, very disturbing events. in new jersey we have multiple devices. only one exploded at marine corps run. fortunately, the runners were delayed, so nobody was injured. then we have the new york device and the second pressure cooker device straight out of the playbook of al qaeda. if you look at the boston bombing and then we have this attack at the shopping mall, which is, again, echoing other jihadist attacks whether it's in mumbai or africa, we have these instances of jihadis asking their victims, are you a muslim? can you recite part of the koran. who do you know who mohammed's

first wife was? if you can answer these questions, you're released by the terrorist. the shopping mall attack is straight out of what israel has been suffering since september. they have been undergoing with scores and scores of attacks where an individual doesn't need a gun and doesn't need an ied and grabs a knife and just goes after you. >> you follow stuff for a living. seems like minnesota is a location of an awful lot of terror plots or terror attacks. is that true and, if so, why? >> it is one of the highest concentrations of individuals from places such as somalia. as a result, we've seen over the last 15 years the recruitment of individuals from that community who have been arrested and intercepted prior to. so, there is a demographic issue with minnesota that if you go back in time is a link to places

where organizations such as al shbaab recruit and al qaeda from north africa. so, again, this is another indicator that this isn't just random violence. >> so, i think a rational person would conclude that a settlement and immigration policy have a direct effect on our physical safety. i want to ask you about last night's attack here in chelsea in new york city. mayor bill de blasio came out almost immediately and said this was intentional. do you think that was a fair assessment this early? >> i think it's an absolute pathological knee jerk reaction in which the narrative always has to be away from what is the obvious and what is the truth. we saw this after orlando. jihadism and exacting revenge

against his lover. the fbi disproves that again and again. the philly attack, what did the mayor of philly say right after the chief of police said this is jihadi terrorism. not terrorism, just a crime. that's the white house narrat e narrative. that's the liberal narrative. you have to disconnect as rapidly as possible from what it possible is because otherwise you have to face the reality. we are at war and the war is here in america, tucker. >> i know you're not a psychiatrist. give me your analysis why the impulse would be not to face reality. >> because if you face reality, you have to admit that the multi-cultural policies of the left have failed and have endangered our citizens. secondly, when it comes to the administration, if you admit reality, if you know that in 2015, this is from duke university report published

recently. 2015 saw the highest number of jihadi plots on u.s. territory since september 11th. so, if you admit reality, that means that our national counterterrorism policies have optimally failed and that cannot be admitted publicly. >> admitting it is to assume culpability. this is not a series of unconnected events. you're seeing an absolute increase in terror attacks on u.s. soil. >> right. you just look at the figures. look at just the last two years since isis declared the caliphate in june of 2014. the new islamic state. we have killed or arrested 110 people linked to isis in the united states. most recently in roanoke, virginia. that's just the fact of the matter. if you prorate that by months, how many arrests per month, we are arresting three times as many jihadists linked to isis

per month than we arrested al qaeda suspect. something is going south and it is linked to our policies. >> dr. sebastian gorka, a champion dot connector. the media already attacking donald trump for calling last night's blast a bombing, but the reaction to hillary for saying the same thing, very different. there's political fallout this morning. we'll bring it to you, next. a massive manhunt is under way for the person who planted a bomb in manhattan. what are police doing to track this person down? our law enforcement panel is joining us, next.

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before we found out about the pressure cooker and said this is not terror. smart? >> i think he should call it what it is. look at the definition of terror. falls right into the very definition which has been enhanced over the years, but it's terrorism. it's terrorism at its very core. and i'd like to know what intentional is opposed to what, accidental? this was intentionally placed there. that is the best you can come up with, intentional. come out and say what it is. new yorkers want to hear that. they don't want to hear the sugar coating. >> steve, as investigators wake up this morning, the city on high alert and the country, fra frankly, potentially on ohigh alert. in seaside heights, new jersey, there was a pipe bomb found on the side of a race that was not started yet and we have this, several people stabbed. eight people at a mall in minnesota as a man shouts allah. what are investigators, what is going through their minds?

>> to begin with, this was clearly a terrorist attack. make no mistake about that. the question that remains to be answered is there an international connection. we said all along and we said it for a few years that the battlefield is no longer in the middle east and right here on the streets of our cities. investigators right now are going to do a lot of forensic work and they're going to find out where the bombmaking material was made. is there a connection to seaside, new jersey, and are these two connected here in new jersey. >> we don't want to jump to the conclusion that this is related. this is still very early in the investigation. you have a new commissioner here in new york city and he wakes up this morning day two as commissioner because bill bratton just stepped down. what is going through his mind this morning? >> tremendous pressure to perform. the good news all the different things out there that have been feeding information are still in place and still working. he has to let them do their job.

what is really important here, though, let the investigation take you where it takes you. you can't presume that anything is necessarily connected but so many different elements to this that look, the boston marathon pressure cooker and the bombing in seaside heights targeting military. there have been 20 plots since 2001 for new york city to have some element. well, these fit into all those categories. >> joe, we had the former new york city police commissioner bernie garic on a few moments ago and he said because of the resources that michael is talking about right there and the know how and this awesome nypd we have here on the ground that we're going to know a lot more and have this investigation and get to the bottom of it in the next 24 hours. are you confident in that, as well? >> the investigation is going to go in a direction that they're going to analyze all the pieces of the first bomb and the pressure cooker and see if it ties into anything. i mean, physical evidence on

there. i don't think you're going to see them come right out with anything. number two, they might want to hold back something else in case there are other things going on that they don't want anybody to quo about. >> how can investigators be t t confident this morning when we don't even have a suspect yet? >> i believe they'll have a suspect soon, as bernie said. we have the greatest law enforcement resources in the world right here in new york city. we need to get back to a very important point. we have to get out of this mode of denial that we're at war. the white house has to step up and absolutely say we're at war, whether it be islamic terrorists, we are at war with terrorism. donald trump did come out and call this what it is, it's a bombing. that's leadership. standing up and telling it like it is. then you'll have a ripple effect all the way down to local law enforcement agencies and we'll know where we stand. >> hillary clinton did call it a

bombing but hours after donald trump did and hours after a bunch of people in the media and social media and why were you calling it a bombing. >> we need leaders to stand up and to have thecoura courage to it like it is. >> you can't always find the people who commit these things. the bombing of times square and never found that guy. tremendous pressure to take a look at the video and take a look at the eyewitness and see if you can find there. the big concern right now in the city when you wake up, are there other devices and is there a broader plot? that's where the investigation is really focusing right now. >> joe we have 30 second. i saw a lot of people on social media last night when it appeared initially there were injuries but nobody was killed. there were fears this was a diversion. you put a bomb in a dumpster on 23rd street all the police and fire go running. i saw the sirens, they were screaming through the streets of new york city and then there is something else in the city.

that's very difficult to get a handle of when all the resources go to one spot. this is a big city. >> that's one of the biggest ruses that is going on for years. police calls every day. they want to commit a crime some place else, they'll call the police attention to one area and do it some place else. thankfully that did not happen here and the search will continue for the suspect and other devices and just goes into the database that they'll need in the future. you know, to counteract these things. >> joe, steve, michael, we're very fortunate to have all of your insights this morning. thank you for joining us live. >> thank you. now to some other headlines this morning starting with a fox news alert. four members of a south carolina football team are killed and dozens rushed to the hospital after their bus slams right into a highway overpass. >> oh, my god. that's a big bus. you can see there the equipment scattered about interstate 74 just north of

charlotte where the bus crashed on its way to fayetteville. well, family members and friends following the bus watched in horror as some victims were ejected and others crawled through shattered windows. right now officials say a front tire may have blown causing the driver to lose control. well, tensions between russia simmering overnight that they may have accidentally hit syrian military forces. just hours ago the u.n. security council holding a meeting at russia's request. the united states expressing regret saying the target and slamming russia for what it calls an outrageous political stunt. >> seriously. they're calling this emergency meeting. really? imagine how often this council would be meeting if we were to gather every time the regime or russia struck a hospital or a school. >> the cease-fire is still

fragile but it is holding. humanitarian aid still stuck at the water there. hell bent on hurting cops. that's what police are saying about the gunman who went on a dead lly rampage in philadelphi. authorities finding a hateful letter at that scene. >> investigators at the scene had found an envelope that from the outside was marked, that letter that he has a bunch of rambling, which indicates his hatred for police officers. >> the gunman, 25-year-old nicholas glenn was killed during an alley shootout with police. glen who had 16 prior arrests was well known to authorities. the commission making the rules for the presidential debate taking no chances after matt lauer swarm with the two nominees. moderators will be banned now from wearing ear pieces during debate. lauer unfairly pressed hillary clinton while going too easy on

donald trump. he listened to questions through his ear piece during that forum. the media attacking donald trump for calling last night's attack a bombing. we're live with the political fallout from the attack. that's next.

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in about 30 minutes he was taking the stage at a rally in colorado springs and one of the first things he mentioned in his remarks saying a baubomb had gof in new york city. >> just before i got off the plane a bomb went off in new york and nobody knows what is going on. but, boy, we are living in a time, we better get very tough, folks. we better get very, very tough. just happened. so, we'll find out. but it's a terrible thing that's going on in our world and in our country. and we are going to get tough and smart and vigilant. and we're going to end it. we're going to end it i. we'll see what it is. we'll see what it is. >> city officials didn't hold a press conference to address the explosion for another two hours, though. and even now investigators haven't said definitivedefinitit it was a bomb that caused the explosion. hillary clinton was asked about the explosion on her way back to

new york and also called it a bomb but also criticized donald trump for getting ahead of the investigation. >> obviously, we need to do everything we can to first our efirst first responders and, also, pray for the victims. i think it's always wiser to wait until you have information before making conclusions. >> and we saw a similar scenario play out back in may after the egyptair plane went missing in the medterrarian. early that morning on twitter donald trump was calling it a terrorist attack, which did end up being the case. at the time investigators weren't sure if the flight had crashed or was missing. our coverage of the new york city blast continues. former new york city mayor rudy giuliani and michael flynn both live with us next hour.

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we're back with a fox news alert. nypd ordering away from their windows athey found a pressure cooker found near the first blast. >> former supervisors for the court unit and he joins us now. great to see joins this morning. great to see you.

>> hillary clinton and are calling this a bomb. >> what else would you call it? >> that's what i am saying. >> call it what it is. it's a bomb. there were two bombs. like the one in new jersey, it was a pipe bomb. what else do we call this? it's irresponsible to the viewers to not tell the truth. you can't masquerade this thing. you don't want to call day bomb or islamic radicalism. it is what it is. >> just because someone isn't shouting allah akbar, doesn't mean it's not -- >> look at how the devices were made. typically, what you're going to find is the person, the pedigree of the person or people that manufacture this, do this online from islamic radicalist websites. call it what it is. they're crude device. ex sejt september for the pressure cooker that could be

activated remotely. fairly sophisticated. not exotic. investigators, with they come together in the weeks to come, they're going to create a mosaic of where this person was and where they came from. >> you make fair points of what it's called. bombings, multiple bombings. we can't make assumptions in the news business about terror as you noted. we can't assume they're related because they were four or five blocks away. how will the investigators piece it together to say it doesn't look like an accident. >> that's a great question. what investigators will do. cities have invested significant amount of time in -- everybody needs to know. there are closed circuit television cameras placed around the city. they're looking at the point of inception. they're going to look at anyone

who came close and back from there, where they went. cars they got into. run the plates, people they may have spoken to, all of that. that's how they will piece this together. i agree, we can't jump to say terrorism. but we have to look at what it is for now. this isn't workplace violence. >> we can safely say that. >> i think we can put that on the table. when we look at the devices used, where they're placed, this could clearly be an act of terrorism and not necessarily saying this is isis motivated. but we know that terrorists, islamic radicalists looking to become radicalized are using the internet, social media, talked about this before, to train to be educated. this is an example of that i truly believe. >> this is what's scary. you can have cameras on every street, cops all over, but at the end of the day, you have someone who walks into a store and buys these parts and puts it together in their home kitchen, that's almost impossible to stop when you talk about a city as

big as new york city. what are we supposed to do? >> that's a good question. police will go back as best as they can and look and see -- who knows where it was built and brought in here. they'll try to find if someone recently purchased this type of hardware all in one place. i think that's going to be a stretch when you look at kind of now organically the material that was used where that could have been purchased. at the end of the day, the thing that people should take away, one, no one can survive this blanket of don't worry about it, it's okay. if you want to think about how safe we really are. you think about the -- the technology in place and the rapid response we have of containing this. then go ahead and see -- >> which has been fabulous. >> no question. this took place about 20 blocks south of here on 6th avenue which we're on right now. that part of the city is shut down still. it seems to me another example of how easy it would be to bring this whole city to a standstill

if you wanted to. >> it's frightening when you think about t the part that most people don't see, don't want it talk about on air a lot, the best security is what you don't see. credit to rudy giuliani, the way he transformed the city and how safe the city is today. no question about that. there's a lot behind the scenes that the average person doesn't know about and it's probably better that way. we don't want to show our hands in the card game. >> why don't we have a suspect yet? i understand to be patient. is it possible nypd has somebody in their sights and multiple people in their sights and haven't gotten them, closing in on them. >> that could be the case. i think joe said it before, which was an excellent point. there's no rush this is not a sprint. it's a marathon our viewers need to understand just because we haven't given them a person yet doesn't mean someone isn't in the crosshairs. they're going to take their time and communicate. we'll have agencies that will work well together. at the end of the day, we're

going to come out with a good result. >> what are the chances that these three incidents that happened in the last ten hours are all linked? >> it's probable. calling it what it is. it's highly probable. because when you have a pipe bomb in new jersey and hours lat, moments later two separate bombs blocks away. >> thank you for joining us. >> thanks, a pleasure. all this mention of rudy giuliani, he's right there. he'll be joining us on the couch. with dynamic performance, to help you hold the curve... and bold styling to stay ahead of the curve. the lexus rx, rx hybrid and rx f sport. this is the rx, elevated. this is the pursuit of perfection. burning of diabetic nerve pain, these feet learned the horn from my dad and played gigs from new york to miami. but i couldn't bear

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police are searching for more devices. >> good morning. an intense manhunt certainly this morning right here in manhattan. while you were sleeping. police have been hunting for other devices. one explosion that was in the chelsea neighborhood rocking the city and then two blocks away a pressure cooker was found. >> 20 blocks from where we're sitting, police ordered residents to stay away from their windows. it was connected to a cell phone. it's not clear -- >> that whole area still shut down. >> we're live at the blast scene in manhattan. what do we know about the manhunt, david? good morning. >> reporter: right. very aggressive manhunt continuing at this hour. so far authorities do not know who they are, in fact, looking for in the last hour, we saw the dawn of a new day and now authorities trying desperately to shed some light on what took place here on 23rd street.

you can see the scene right now. some 10-plus hours after the explosion. 20 23rd street a major road east-west in the chelsea neighborhood. still completely shut down. many people not being allowed to go to their homes. other streets in chelsea also paralyzed at a standstill. this as there's still a substantial force of police on the streets here in new york. authorities now reviewing much of the surveillance video, some of the recordings show the explosion as it takes place. perhaps, more importantly, the question is, will these recordings also show the perpetrator or the individuals responsible for this blast? we do know that as many as 29 people were hurt by shrapnel. most of them -- one seriously suffering a puncture wound and four blocks north of here. a few hours later, a second

device was found. this one described as a pressure cooker with a cell phone attached. according to one published report there was a piece of paper found with it. what, if anything was written on that note, we do not know. last night, shortly after the explosion took place, new york's mayor bill de blasio said it was intentional but at that time said it was not believed to be connected to terror. listen. i want to say more broadly, there is no specific and credible threat against new york city at this point in time from any terror organization. >> reporter: also on the minds of new yorkers and those who live in new jersey as well, yesterday a pipe bomb exploded, saturday morning in seaside park, shortly before a charity race was to get under way. despite the eggs ploegs, there were no injuries. but on the minds of many now, was what happened in new jersey,

in any way connected to what happened here on 23rd street in new york and also a few blocks north on 27th street where authorities found that pressure cooker connected to a cell phone that appeared to be an explosive device. at this hour, authorities search for answers and perpetrator and also continue their search fearing there may be more devices in the streets surrounding chelsea. back to you. >> live for us this morning. we'll get back to you with breaking developments. thanks, david. joining us now is former new york city mayor rudy giuliani. good to see you. >> good to be here. >> a way to say this is not connected, he doesn't believe, to international terror. do you think that's premature? >> sure. how would he know? when you don't know who did it, how they did it, why they did it, i can't -- unless he has a lot more information than it appears he has, it seems to be premature to say it is or it is

not connected internationally to terrorism. to say it's a terrorist act is perfectly accurate. i mean, this could be domestic terrorism, this could be some form of lunatic terrorism. but a bomb, almost by definition, when you explode a bomb in an area, it's terrorism. now the question becomes, is it connected to anything? we need a little more investigating, a lot more investigating before you come to that conclusion. to tell the people of the city that there's no specific threat beyond this to the city, that's a good thing to do. i think he did the right thing there. that calms people down. they're not receiving information that new york city is under attack. but given what happened, you have to pretend new york city is under attack if you're in law enforcement and you're the mayor. >> right. >> you have a bomb that went off, a device that may or may not be real. but you have to assume it is. right nearby.

you had another bomb that went off in new jersey and a terrorist act in minnesota that went with it. in that case, clearly, islamic terrorism because the guy was yelling allah akbar. unless they call it workplace violence which they did with major hasan. you did have yesterdays an islamic terrorist attack on the united states in minnesota. then you have these three incidents. are they connected? i don't think anybody knows that right now. do they constitute acts of terror? absolutely. >> right. we had donald trump tweeting out or saying very shortly after that it was in fact a bochmb. but a lot of criticism for that. >> why? >> i lot of people say to assume what happened. >> that's a leader. >> before we knew for sure. but then within a couple of hours -- >> hillary clinton called it a bomb. >> i wasn't with him yesterday. i've been with him pretty much every day. happened to be i took a day off

yesterday. maybe he had that information. i don't know. >> he said he had been briefed. >> he probably had that information. didn't take a genius to figure out it's a bomb. to come to that conclusion the moment i walked out of city hall and headed there. i like a leader that steps up right away. if i were to compare the two sound bites of him and her, my goodness, i much prefer a leader who gets up and says we were attacked, it's not going to happen. we're going to stop it and be tough and be a lot tougher as opposed to we have to see, we're not sure. we have to wait. sounds an awful lot like -- >> two different styles. >> no. i think one is a leader and one is not. >> 2008, we had that 3:00 a.m. phone call, an ad that hillary clinton ran against barack obama saying he wasn't ready. how important should national security now be? i'm knot reacting to the last 24 hours. we had orlando a few short --

>> you got to be ready at every moment. i was ready any time i was mayor. my former police commissioner was outside reminding me of september 11th. because we lived through it together. almost died in the building wie were in. he was very instrumental in helping us get out. you got to be ready at every moment. i had all my clothes set next to my bed from the evening of september 11 until the day i left office at mayor just in case. because i believe you lead from the front. i'm sort of a macarthur/patton kind of leader. you lead from the front. you're there. you tell the facts that you know. you don't avoid things like trying to sound too euphemistic because nobody will trust you. >> that is true. >> to say it's islamic terrorism is jumping too far. to say this is an act of terror

is perfectly accurate. and to say that this is something that needs to be very close investigation because, look, most good detectives, most good fbi agents and good assistant u.s. attorneys don't believe in coincidences. if you have a coincidence, that gives you a hypothesis. now you may prove there is no connection. but you got to start off with, it's awfully strange that these two things are near each other. are they connected? i don't know. >> what happened in st. cloud yesterday, i grew up in minnesota where minnesota was not known forter rim. >> we're seeing second generation somalis implicated in terror plots or attacks. what does this tell us? >> this is the playing out of what jim come y told us when

there were radical terrorism throughout the united states. president obama and mrs. clinton won't use those words, radical islamic terrorism because they're playing some kind of a game. which i think is dangerous, by the way. i think it has implications in the people like san bernardino, not turning in the information that they had that might have prevented because they feel they'll be seen as bigots. what it tells us is that isis and related radical islamist extremist groups have done a good job of penetrating. we know they've done a good job of penetrating, germany, france and england. they may have done a better job of penetrating the united states than we realize. we for sure had an act of islamic terrorism yesterday, one for sure. we don't know about the others. >> now it's about finding out who was behind this in new york city. >> was it a madman? it reminds me of the first moments of september 11th when i was notified that a twin-engine plane hit the twin towers and i

rushed down to see bernie care continue and going in my head was it's a madman or a terrorist. when the second plane hit, i knew it was a terrorist attack. it didn't take me, we'll see. that isn't a way you fight against an enemy. you've got to be decisive and strong. >> what are they doing now to figure out who it was? >> they're doing everything. several people said you've got the best police department in the world. nobody knows more about investigating terrorism than the nypd. you know, consider the size of it. the fbi has 14,000, the nypd 36,000. this is the largest law enforcement organization in the united states. and the one with the most expertise. they've been training in this area for 20 years. >> when you talk about the police force, detective brian o'donnell was off-duty outside penn station. 70 stitches on his face because

there was a crazed man with a meat cleaver who went after a police officer. he was off duty. i know his brother johnny o'donnell. on a train to go to a soccer game with his son. he rushed up, tackled and punched this man with the cleaver. as he went to the ground, the detective ran into the cleaver. broke his arm, 70 stitches. we were talking about the bad guy. the heart of this city -- >> that's why we ultimately win this battle because we are the good guys and they are the bad guys. whether it was an individual nut or somebody connected to a particular terrorist organization, these are the bad guys and we've got a lot more good guys than bad guys. >> when you use the term nuts, you would be a nut if we did something like that. thank you for saying that. >> it happens sometimes. we had situations where i was mayor, someone would walk into the office who was fired and killed the secretary behind the desk. you have -- this could be a

crazy act or it could be an act connected to what happened in minnesota or in other places and you don't know yet. >> right. >> it is definitely an act of terror. there's no question about that. >> mayor giuliani, we appreciate your insights this morning. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for being with us. >> thank you. you heard about the stabbing spree inside april minnesota mall. the attacker reportedly asking his victims whether or not they were muslims. did he have correct ties to isis, though? donald trump's lieutenant adviser michael flynn here to talk about the breaking news this morning. he'll be with us in a minute. [ "on the road again," by willie nelson ] ♪ on the road again

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back with a fox news alert. eight people are stabbed in a minnesota mall by a suspect shouting allah during his rampage. hear more about his plot from michael morrow. been an unsettling 24 hours. you look at what happened in minnesota. eight people stabbed. no question, it was a terrorist attack. >> right and he tells you that. when he's saying allah, you could mumble that to himself. no he's shouting that. this is my motivation and this is why i'm doing this type of thing. we don't need to speculate about this that he had jihadist motivations. the problem that arises, how do you cover it in the media? the way they radicalize others is through the perception of success. the way i handle it, i will talk about an attack like this and

mention the broader context that isis is losing territory for example in iraq and syria. that's also part of the story. >> this man apparently asked his victims before he stabbed them, are you a muslim? kind of hard at that point to deny the religious quality to this conflict, right? >> they'll find a way. just watch. in the coming days what's going to happen is someone will find something that went wrong in his background, a mental illness, some way someone harmed him or hurt his feelings. that's really the root cause. the way to do it deny -- >> you say for whatever reason. it is striking a refusal for people to connect obvious dots. >> a lot can be partisanship, a lot that it can be hard to understand that they can -- as americans, we cannot relate to that. >> we relate to harm, poverty and things like that cause crime and people to go insane. >> that's the reality we live

in. it's the lone wolf attacks, they may not even be talking to isis, but they claim to be part of them. that's a challenge most people say it may not be terrorism, but it all is. if there's an attack like that, that's terrorism. >> the bohn wolf usually don't exist. there are studies, someone is radicalizing them, complex ideology. in many cases someone that they meet with face to face that's egging them on. if there's a social process, we have to ask who radicalized the individual, who did he go to to address his doubts. >> what's striking about the cluster of terror events in minnesota, a lot implicated people who were born here. their parents came as refugees. they're not isis plants. they didn't investigate -- what do you do about that? >> usually when they become violent radicals, there's a radicalization process that precedes that. you have to have a broad world

view that it's anti-american, believes in creating an islamic state. the added factor, will you pursue that through violence? there has to be ideological vetting on that basis, but there is a problem where someone doesn't embrace the ideology isn't thinking about that at all, they come to the united states and move from one location to the next and then they get wrapped up in the wrong -- >> doesn't this suggest something is wrong with the community from which they're coming? >> oh, sure. >> i don't know. i'm asking you. you're the expert. >> the somali community, there's a lot of problems with radical clerics there. we've got to clean up what's going on here and they get condemned as islam foebs in programs put forth for deradicalization. people saying you're focusing on this. what we need are after-school programs. >> do those work? >> no. there's no evidence to indicate

they work at all. >> i was confirming that. >> it's a frightening reality. >> thanks for having me. >> we appreciate it. the pressure cooker found was similar to the boston marathon bombing. the man who led the investigation there into the tsarnaev brothers will join us. up next, trump adviser, lieutenant general michael flynn joins us with all this breaking news this morning. stay with us. o sleep." o sleep." hashtag "mouthbreather." just put on a breathe right strip. it instantly opens your nose up to 38% more than cold medicine alone. shut your mouth and say goodnight mouthbreathers. breathe right. with a crust made chfrom scratche and mixes crisp vegetables with all white meat chicken, and bakes it to perfection. because making the perfect dinner isn't easy as pie but finding someone to enjoy it with sure is. marie callender's. it's time to savor.

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a fox news alert. we've been monitoring all morning a city in new york that is on high alert because of a number of incidents last evening. >> that's for sure. joining us now is general michael flynn, the key national security adviser to the trump campaign. great to see you this morning.

>> thanks for having me. >> the bomb went off in chelsea and this apparent bomb n found in new york and a pipe bomb in new jersey. does that suggest a coordination or a larger picture? >> first a couple of things. i think that mayor de blasio made a statement last night that said there's no credible threat reporting or anything like that. that's not a correct statement. the more precise statement would be that there's no specific reporting on this particular type of attack that was going to happen. there's a lot of credible threat reporting on these type of attacks all over this country. particularly here in new york. new york is always a target. there is credible reporting that these types of attacks are going to occur. second, the islamic state has put out very recently, the last couple of weeks, they put out lessons learned from a whole series of attacks from me to orlando and they've said that there's two things we want to do. we want to strike fear into the

hearts of our enemies. we want to effect things things that benefit them, tourists. tourism is a target. that's one of the things that obviously i think that was chosen for chelsea. >> how important is it for political leaders to come out early on and call it for what it was. you had donald trump who said there was a bombing. it was a first to come out and say that. a lot of criticism. someone helping advising on his team. how important is that? >> i think it's important to not dance around what it is. this was a terrorist attack. we will -- the law enforcement professionals will peel back and do the forensic and figure out if it's isis inspired or directed. the one that happened in minnesota, that's pretty clear. they'll figure that out. this was clearly a terrorist attack. >> i think that the stepping back and kind of looking at it from a 60,000-foot level, i mean, this week we have the u.n. general assembly in town. they're all arriving, all the presidents, prime ministers, kings are all arriving this

weekend for a major set of speeches this particular week at the u.n. are they going to talk about climate change and global warming or are we going to talk about this unbelievable international problem that we have. which is this violent terrorism, radicalization of the islamic world and the terrorist attacks that are occurring. whether or not this specific one was radicalized islamic terrorist attack or not, we have an international problem that is growing. we can't just blow this off again. i think that's what they ought to be talking about during this u.n. week when they're all getting up making big speeches. i hope we're not going to talk about climate change. we're going to talk about how do we defeat this enemy. >> you go back to the last presidential campaign in 2012, president obama was saying al qaeda was on the run. after that, told a new yorker that isis is the jv squad. where are we today?

>> we have a problem. this type of threat that we're facing and, again, exactly what we're seeing, what you saw in new jersey at this marine corps run and again, these things are going to continue to happen. we have got to be very, very brutally honest with the american public as to what is happening and we can't tiptoe around what we're calling certain things. i mean, that's actually dangerous and a disservice to the american public. what we have to be is be brutally honest. we are facing a threat and it is an international threat. the arab world has to come to grips with this thing. the muslim world has to come to grips with it. there are brave leaders in the arab world, people like the president out of egypt is one. we should embrace the kind of speeches he's been gichg and the actions he's been taking against organizations like the muslim brotherhood. we have a problem, when the leaders get together, like they're going to starting today, tomorrow, tuesday through wednesday, they have got to have

the guts to speak up about this. >> right. >> our leadership has to have the guts to speak up about this. we're at a place now where it's not about what is happening, it's why it's happening and then we have to get after this problem. >> you took an al sisi speech and you'd be denounced by the obama folks. trump has taken a lot of heat about his remarks about refugees. do you think the fate of terror attacks like in minnesota over the past couple of years vindicate his position? >> i think that we have to take a real hard look at where are the refugees coming from, how are they coming into the country, who is paying attention to them. how are they assimilating into our society? all the things that we want people to do when they enter this country, i mean, the whole idea about coming in legally or refugees, where we're going to place refugees and how we're going to place them, who is going to pay attention to this,

the answer is yes. we have to be very conscious about these large numbers being placed where we don't have any idea who they are. >> a lot of people feeling unsettled about things. what is the next thing that will happen. you look in minnesota, screaming allah stabbing eight different people. how should we all think about where we're at in our fight against terror? now we have a real problem with the lone wolf. >> i don't believe in the concept of a lone wolf. wolves operate in packs. whether inspired or directed by whatever groups. i think the lone wolf is a buzz phrase that we use. somebody else always knows when somebody is going to conduct an attack. what i would tell you, the principal concept behind terrorism, particularly radical islamic terrorism, they've written about it, is to strike fears in the hearts of many.

wherever they live. they recently put out a message to go after children, to go after children where they play. because it's hard to get after the law enforcement professionals, hard to attack, firemen or police officers or shows and have a means of protecting themselves. there's a problem in this country. we have to pay more attention to what they're saying because what they say, they actually do. this is a really important thing. we have to get back to the why this is happening and go after that why and it's because there is a disease in the islamic ideology and it's a cancerous disease that has metastasized. it's an international problem. you just had mayor giuliani on here. you have the director of the fbi that said we have a thousand cases going on in this country in all 50 states. what's going on? we have to pay attention to the refugees that are coming into this country, we have to pay attention to the undocumented or illegals in this country and we have to pay attention to what's happening overseas as well.

>> general, quick question. you served with bob gates as defense secretary. he wrote an op-ed scathing against donald trump yesterday. donald trump tweeted last night, never liked dopey robert gates. look at the mess he's in. always speaks badly of his bosses, including obama. >> do you agree with that? >> i read that. why did he even write the article? it's like he said hillary is bad. he said really disparaging things about donald trump. a person who he's never met. he's met hillary. what he said about hillary is probably very true. i can tell you what he said about donald trump is not true. he's a great guy. he's a great leader. we need leadership in this country. i really -- i'm going to keep my mouth this time. i'm normally pretty blunt on what i feel. i really think that he wasted his time writing that op-ed. >> retired lieutenant general michael flynn. we appreciate your insight this morning. >> thanks a lot.

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we better get very, very tough. just happened. so we'll find out. but it's a terrible thing that's going on in our world. in our country. and we are going to get tough and smart and vigilant. we're going to end it. we're going to end it. we'll see what it is. we'll see what it is. >> i've been briefed about the bombings in new york and new jersey and the attack in minnesota. obviously we need to do everything we can to support our first responders, also to pray for the victims. wait for the investigation to unfold. been in touch with various officials, including the mayor's office in new york, to learn what they are discovering as they conduct this investigation. and i'll have more to say about it when we actually know the

facts. >> get to hear both sides there. moments after all of that, as it was happening, media judged donald trump for using the term bombing to describe what happened in new york city. but nobody complained when hillary clinton used the exact same term as you heard. political panel it here. harlan hill. real clear politics, caitlin knew i burns and gop strategist, john burnett. harlan, i assume you believe this is a contrast in leadership? >> to be honest with you, i think that what's happening is that the media and the clinton campaign know that she can't win on policy and merit. what they're attempting to do is to make this a referendum on donald trump on his fitness to be president. when they're talking about words that he's using to describe clearly what was a terrorist attack and making that potential issue as opposed to the event, that says a lot. it says that when you look at the polling, she doesn't win on terrorism. he clearly now performs an terrorism. when you talk about the -- radical islamic terrorism or

otherwise, she can't win there. she needs to talk about the semantics. >> caitlin, to harlan's point, does this play right into the message from the clinton camp that donald trump will shoot first and ask questions later? >> i think it does. he said that it was a bombing without having -- didn't know the details at that point. that's where the criticism comes from, this quick reaction from donald trump when it comes to these issues. we have seen him do well in the polls after these kinds of attacks. because of that rhetoric. clinton is certainly figuring that. this under scores her point, to your point, about temperament. fitness to serve. knowing all the facts before you talk about them. >> one point -- one second. i want to be clear about one point. donald trump, before -- what we played before that, he also said he had just gotten a briefing on his plane. i don't know. he didn't clarify whether it was staff or we now know both candidates have been briefed several times by the intelligence community. i'm assuming he got a cell phone

briefing from -- not assuming he got a cell phone briefing. it's not like he came out with no information. >> my point is we don't know exactly what happened yet, still today what the facts are at this moment in time. clinton certainly is figuring she -- if she can point to this as a temperament issue, that works in her favor. he's figuring that he's been campaigning on this kind of thing, this idea of anxiety, national insecurity. so that could help him in that regard. >> hillary clinton looked like she hadn't just come from an event, but came from three days of rest and gotten outs of bed. it looked like she was falling asleep. >> looked like she needed an iced latte. this is beyond a breaking news story. i actually worked in 5 world trade center during the bombing. i was in 7 world trade center during the attack. this is real to me. i would have to respectfully disagree.

we have to call them what they are. it's terrorism. whether it's radical or whether it's homegrown within our borders. i think that we by clearly defining it, we can actually settle people's nerves, saying look, we're on the job. we have to gather the facts, but it is an act of terror. >> john makes a strong point there, harlan. does that play into trump's message? >> i thoroughly agree with you. when i saw de blasio engaging in double speak. yeah there was another device found, it was an intentional explosion but it's not terror? you're defining terrorism. >> if you make a bomb, it's intentional. >> there are other devices. >> it was fortunate that there were no lives taken in these situations. >> absolutely. >> very lucky. >> caitlin, the broader picture not to throw politics into terror. it happens, unfortunately. let's broaden the land. this week, this race shifted big time and all of a sudden donald trump was rising.

not just on the national polls but threes battle grounds like ohio and florida are in the race. >> absolutely. he narrowed the gap national a nnd in battlegrounds like he mentioned. he's proving to be competitive with hillary clinton. i would argue how he ended the week by reigniting the birtherism issue, i think that will play this week. clinton has a lot -- >> not reignited harlan. >> he didn't reignite it. he was in a "washington post" interview. they brought it up. it's not an issue in in campaign. >> exactly. he didn't answer questions. he actually promoted more questions than answers. >> he made a statement by saying look, this is what it is h period. then he dropped the mike and said i'm going to make america great again. >> after five -- part of the reason why donald trump is rising in the polls has been he's doing the teleprompter thing. he's not speaking off the cuff. now that he's tied or leading in these polls, he's back on twitter. he called robert gates dopey and maureen dowd neurotic from "the

new york times." are you republicans going to keep him off twitter or what? >> that's a big challenge. hillary has been falling for weeks, no pun intended, in the polls. hillary is actually concerned. she can't win the millenial vote. we'll see what her plan is with respect to reaching out. bernie hasn't really went on the campaign to really campaign for her. he started to but it's kind of weak. but look, she's falling in the polls. she has two presidents, she has a major contender that based upon the fact that the system was rigged, never had a chance. she has all these surrogates and can't make up the ground. >> john, harlan, caitlin, thank you for joining us. we're eight days away from the first of october. >> track more views than the super bowl. >> maybe. >> shocking. >> thanks for joining us. new york city's mayor says the bombing was intentional but not

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>> oh, my god. oh, my god. it's a big bus. oh, my god. >> you can see there in the equipment scattered about north of charlotte where the bus crashed. on its way to fayetteville. family and friends following the bus watched in horror when some were ejected. officials say a front tire may have blown causing the driver to lose control. hell bent on killing cops. a man went on a deadly rampage in philadelphia. killed a woman and wounded five others, including two officers. authorities finding a letter at the scene. >> investigators at the scene found an envelope that on the outside was marked doomed. that letter that he has, a bunch of ramblings which indicates his hatred for police officers.

nicholas glenn was killed during a shootout with police. he was well-known to authorities and had 16 prior arrests. banning earpieces after matt lauer's -- lawyer unfairly pressed hillary clinton on her e-mail scandal while going too easy on donald trump. lawyer was reportedly being fed questions through his earpiece during that forum. those are your headlines this morning. >> i think he did a great job in that forum. regardless of all the noise, he drew out both of these candidates. clinton made news and voters learned more about her e-mail situation, her truthfulness and in terms of donald trump, he was on the defensive on a number of issues as well. >> let's be honest here. they're trying to intimidate future moderators. that was the purpose of attacking poor matt lauer like he's not what he appears to be like a conventional liberal. >> you can't win as a moderate. you're trying to please the

audience and -- >> if you have no moderators and just the two candidates. you need someone to guide the conversation. chris wallace is one of the moderators because he's not going to take this bs. he's not going to worry about what everyone says. he's going to do a good job. that's the point. don't listen to the noise. >> our producers said speaking of producers in yours ears, listen to me. >> a pressure cooker found in new york last night was similar to the one found in the boston marathon bombings. >> i heard boom. boom. and everything started shaking. there was big mounds of smoke. and people started running and i started running with them down 7th avenue. [ clock ticking ]

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we're back with a fox news alert. the nypd ordering residents away from windows as they investigate a wired pressure cooker found near the first blast. >> it's reportedly the same kind of device used by the boston marathon bombers. what does this mean for the investigation? the former boston superintendent chief of police led the investigation for the boston marathon bombing and joins us now live. we wonder, when you look at these pictures, does it seem like the exact type that we saw in the boston marathon bombing or are there differences we should note? >> there's differences from what i see in the potential initiation device being a phone in the boston marathon bombing it was a remote controlled car

that they utilized. but the basic makeup is the same, comes off al qaeda's inspired magazine. you can go to a local hardware store and get everything you need to attack a city. >> as a mechanical matter, what's the advantage of a pressure cooker? >> pressure cooker contains the explosion and the cooker itself, becomes pieces of shrap metal when it comes apack and bbs and nails and other shrapnel they put inside. it's an inexpensive way to get a pretty high explosive with a decent blast radius to maximize injuries. >> a few things have gone on in the past 24 hours. in new jersey, a pipe bomb there before a 5k was about to start with marines there and last night at 8:30, the bomb that went off here in new york and few blocks north on 27th, you look at all of those incidents. what are the chances that they

happened by the same person and there was a coincidence there? >> bombings are few and far between, thank god, in the united states. the short time frame for these events in a relatively small geographical area, very possible for somebody to have delivered a device from the new york side -- new jersey side to the new york side very quickly. authorities will be leaning towards finding out if there's similar construction and material, similar pattern between here and new jersey and working with the fbi to determine if there's a connection here. it's unlikely you would have these number of events in the short period of time and not have it connected. >> we've spoken to other experts this morning saying that when a pressure cooker goes off and in this case it did not injure anyone thankfully but there are specific markings in what's put together. can you walk our viewers how you piece this together? >> you go over the physical

pieces of evidence and unexploded device and look for dna evidence and forensics you can find on that. you'll look for materials or serial numbers or place of manufacture or place it was sold. we're able to backtrack and identify the stores they went to and where they got each one of the materials. they'll be looking at -- >> i think we lost him on our feed from boston. we appreciate him coming on. >> it seems there's an awful lot of evidence that will come off -- >> for someone who handled everything after the boston bombings. >> we have a lot more coming up. how the rest of the press is covering the fallout. >> and the coverage of the new york city bombing will not stop. we're at the scene with the latest details and here on the couch, former commissioner joins us live.

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of officers around the hotel we stay at in new york city, they were on high alert and all hands on deck, a lot of officers had been called in overnight obviously to get on top of this. someone on top of it for us, david lee miller live on the scene right now. everyone wanting to know where the nypd is in this investigation this morning, david. >> reporter: the nypd as of now says they have not identified any suspects and they continue to search for potential other explosive devices. this now as there is a massive police presence. let me give you a quick look at the neighborhood, chelsea. this is the corner of fifth avenue and 23rd street, normally a very busy east/west artery, even on sunday morning. here you can see two officers preventing any traffic from going down the street and then all the way down the street, which is the site of where the blast took place, you can see flood lights and a massive police presence. i talked to one of the officers

who is on the scene. he said that he has now been on the clock over 18 hours. came on duty yesterday afternoon and he has remained on the clock ever since and has no idea when he is going to get any type of a break. now, as this investigation takes place here at 23rd street, authorities are looking at surveillance video, hoping that they will be able to not only see the blast itself, we've seen this video a number of times this morning, but they are hoping that some of the surveillance video will also reveal the perpetrator or perpetrators. additionally, four blocks from here, few hours after the explosion took place, authorities found what appeared to be another explosive device. this one constructed of a pressure cooker and with a cell phone attached according to one published report, there was a note attached to this device. we do not know if that piece of paper actually had any writing on it or what in fact it did

say. we're also told that this potential other explosive device has been removed and now in an nypd facility in the bronx. authorities say that as of this hour, they have not yet detonated this other potential explosive device. last night, new york mayor bill de blasio came to the scene shortly after the first blast and he told new yorkers that this is not an accident but he did not make any direct link to terror. listen. >> the early indications, initial indications, this was an intentional act. whatever the cause, whatever the intention here, new yorkers will not be intimidated. they have the best police force in the country and number of other key agencies, fdny, et cetera, making sure we'll be safe. >> reporter: another piece of the puzzle that is being examined today, yesterday morning, not far from here in seaside park, new jersey, a pipe

bomb exploded before a charity race was to take place or race that -- >> the shot has gone down. we're joined by the former police commissioner of new york city. you ran the largest law enforce the agency in america. assess the mayor's response telling us this is an intentional act. >> that's obvious. should be obvious. the one problem i have with the mayor's statement, he said there's no credible threat to new york -- >> how do you know that? >> okay, but that's not true. there's no specific threat. he has no specifics on any threat to new york at this time. there's a credible threat, an extremely credible threat to new york city and entire united states of america by isis, al qaeda, and number of other radical islamic groups that make these threats constantly. they tell us -- you have to be a fool or naive or just plain

stupid not to realize there's a credible threat. they want to demise of this country christianity and countries that live in freedom. that's what they want. they continue to say it. don't say there's not a credible threat. these -- they have proved their credibility in orlando, in san bernardino, on 9/11, they have credibility. >> you said a little earlier that you thought we would get to the bottom of this within 24 hours. we want to be patient, a couple more hours have passed. how do you get to the bottom of this? what are some of the things they are looking for this morning? david lee miller was saying one of the things they are on alert for of course would be more devices in the city. i take it it's a good sign that about 12 hours almost have passed thankfully without another device found out there, however, it's a big city and we

don't know what else is out there. >> we don't know what else is out there. the immediate area -- that's how they found the second device. the police department goes into overdrive looking for secondary devices and things like that. the forensics on the device that detonated inside the dumpster they'll take that stuff and rip it to shreds to find out who placed it there and why. if the other device, the cooking pressure cooker, if that thing is real, if it's determined to be real, and it's related, that's where we're going to get most of the forensics from. latent prints -- >> exactly. you can take a lot of information out of that and come up with where it was sold, who purchased it and when, so forth and so on. >> you have a lot of video cameras on almost every street in new york city that can be super helpful. you think about a place of 23rd

and 6th avenue, a street i used to live on and this is a place full of apartments and grocery stores and restaurants and bars and 8:30 p.m., people are out living their lives, doing what they normally do and they wake up this morning -- people are on edge because you think about this walking out of your apartment building and not feeling safe. >> people are on edge but you have to live in a world of reality today. i get calls last night the first thing somebody says to me, are you surprised? no. i'm not surprised. whether this is a domestic terror event, whether it's just some cook that did this or an inspired event or some lone wolf, if you will, it doesn't make any difference to me. i'm not surprised that these types of things happen. we have to live in that world of reality. these things are going to happen. probably for decades to come. especially on the radical

islamic front until we anilliate this event. >> every day americans walking the streets, if they see something, is there more we can do to be helpful? >> don't be afraid to say something. we've created this political correct atmosphere where people are scared to death to call in a complaint and say this guy, he's doing something suspicious and he looks like a muslim or right away, he looks like a muslim, nobody wants to say that. the bottom line is, if you see something, if you have a reaction to it, then call the police and let them make a determination. >> it's not just civilians who have problems acting on common sense. you see law enforcement at the airport, patting down grandmothers and babies, ignoring the obvious in favor of the theer receipt cal. >> it's a combination between policy and politics. >> how much politics is there?

how much pressure does this mayor in new york put on his police department to act a certain way? >> a lot. a lot. every mayor, every governor, the president of the united states. the policy is driven from the top. you know, fortunately for us, we have bill bratton, jimmy o'neill is a great guy and knows the job well. >> this happened on his first day. >> his first day. >> welcome to the slot but he's a guy that can handle the job and he'll do well. >> what are your thoughts as well on the debate about privacy. obviously people have justifiable concerns surveillance cameras just about on every corner. on the other hand when something like this happens, that is invaluable to finding out who is the terrorist behind it and preventing future attacks. >> i think you have to look at the world of reality. it's a public street.

everybody has a right to privacy when its private, a public street corner is not a private location. midtown man hat an, times square, it's almost like a casino, i don't think there's six inches of property anywhere in times square that they can't take a camera and read the time off your watch. >> i've never won a single dollar walking through -- >> lost a lot though. >> bernie kerik, thanks for being here. >> we have other headlines and starting with a fox news alert, a man shot dead been an offduty police officer after going on a stabbing spree in a mall. he dressed in a private security uniform and referred to allah asking at least one victim if they were muslim. eight people were injured and one is still in the hospital this morning. all victims are expected to survive. terrorism has not been ruled out there. tensions between u.s. and

russia simmering overnight after reports the u.s. air strikes may have accidentally hit syrian military forces just hours ago the u.n. security council holding an emergency meeting at russia's request. the united states expressing regret saying the target appeared to be isis terrorists and then slamming russia for what it calls an outrageous political stunt. >> seriously? they are calling this emergency meeting? really? imagine how often this council would be meeting if we were to gather every time the regime or russia struck a hospital or a school. >> the ceasefire disagreement in syria's civil war is still fragile but it is holding. black lives matter now facing serious consequences for messages like this one. >> what do we want? >> dead cops. >> the black lives matter now

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deafening explosion. >> jonathan says it sounded like a plom as mirrors fell off the wall. he joins us now live on the phone. jonathan, good morning. can you just describe what you saw, what you heard? >> yes, good morning. it was quite a rattle around 8:30 or so last night. i was on the phone with a friend and all of a sudden i had my patio door open and i'm on the second floor, right above about 50 yards from where the bomb went off. a huge shock when the mirrors flew off the walls, loud noise. it felt pretty scary and shocking. but i ran outside on the balcony and saw there was glass all over the street. there was people running and screaming. it was pretty intense. and -- go ahead. >> i'm just for fewer e viewers

aren't familiar, describe what it's like, residential, commercial? >> 23rd street is a main thoroughfare running east to west. and it's a busy street and commercial during the day but not a lot of restaurants between 6th and 7th avenues. so it wasn't a big night life spot. there weren't a lot of people out sitting on the streets but there is a subway stop on each of the corners. so it is a main thoroughfare for walking traffic and for car traffic, a busy street for sure but certainty not a place where people hang out on the street, which is why when i thought it might be a bomb because it sounded and felt like one, it was pretty surprising just given that it didn't seem like a typical target for a bombing. >> as you said, there's a major subway stop right there but also a number of apartment buildings, many people live just right on

that street where this happened. driving to work this morning the whole area was blocked off. i'm sure is still is. give us a sense of what things look like at this very moment. here you can see a live shot of the area. >> yeah, so, for hours last night i was -- had a live feed and saw fbi agents and nypd, fdny, mulling the area, looking for evidence, turning over this dumpster mangled in the explosion. and just general activity, police activity. i actually was able to leave the area and tried to get back into my apartment later around 4:00 in the morning and was not allowed back into the area. so it -- on full lockdown. >> you have to give it to the first responders, some of who you can see in our live shot, where the bomb went off last night, got to the scene when this happened and will likely be

there all day today. how helpful were they to you and others that went out of their apartment wondering what was going on in that moment? >> absolutely. they were there in minutes. it was quite extraordinary how quickly they showed up on scene. i heard the blast and i was out and it seemed like they were already there, which was comforting. by the time i got outside, now we're talking about 90, 120 seconds after the blast, there's already two police cars there and they were already moving people to safety and trying to keep people out of harm's way in case there was a second insend dairy device. >> we appreciate your insight and recollections of what happened. we wish you good health and luck as you try to get back to your apartment. thanks for joining us. >> thanks so much. >> donald trump and hillary clinton speaking out about the bombing. will this change the course of the race with just a week to go until the critical first debate.

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just before i got off the plane, a bomb went off in new york and nobody knows exactly what's going on but boy, we are living in a time we better get very tough, folks. we better get very, very tough. just happened. so we'll find out but it's a terrible thing that's going on in our world and in our country. and we are going to get tough and smart and vigilant and we're going to end it. we're going to end it. we'll see what it is. we'll see what it is.

>> i've been briefed about the bombings in new york and new jersey and attack -- obviously we need to do everything we can to support our first responders and also to pray for the victims. we have been in touch with various officials in the mayor's office in new york to learn what they are discovering as they conduct this investigation. and i'll have more to tell you about it when we know some facts. >> there are the two candidates, back to back giving their first impressions of what happened in chelsea in new york city last night. joining us now, mark mckennen, behind the bush win in 2000 and now -- i think executive producer -- of "the circus". >> you just saw them both back to back, what does that tell you

of their gut reactions about their management style? >> in this case, as in belgium, we were with them like tick tok the whole time and not just stylistically but possewise completely different. trump's instinct, let's go get them, push all the buttons and let go of the planes and hillary clinton's instinct, let's wait until we get the information. >> even the energy level trending on twitter, #zomby literal, maybe she's on medication still from -- but you can't help but notice she does seem a bit rundown. >> she is a bit rundown, she just had pneumonia, it shows there. >> what about trump saying we're going to end it. we'll see what it is, but we're going to end it? >> that's donald trump, we're going to win and end it and kill them and destroy them and win. >> not sure what it is, doesn't

matter what it is. we always talk in campaigns about the october surprise and this campaign every week is -- >> every day. >> one of the weirdest surprises was last week's event at the 9/11 memorial with hillary clinton and the upshot of that has been she was represented on the trail by a bunch of surrogates, both her husband, former president and current president, a lot of tension between the two families, do you think they ably represented -- >> i think they did. you can argue that they are much better candidates than she is. so it was an opportunity. what she really needs to do right now given the contour of the race, she needs to mobilize the democratic base, they are not excited and barack obama needs to get his base out and get them excited. >> we played this clip yesterday of my shell obama and the crowd was chanting four more years of president obama or michelle obama, they don't know -- >> she loved it. >> but that is her challenge.

>> during the convention there was an argument about whose speeches are better but michelle obama's speech was one of the best speeches i've seen. i made a bet with john hooilman, we went and reviewed the tape and i gave them 1,000 bucks. >> i didn't care for it at all. >> come on. >> i thought it was -- >> so political and -- >> inside baseball of inside baseball but that's what people love about the circus and we have a clip from the new episode. let's watch. >> and wants to make america great again, you have to be a certain age and it helps to be a white southern man and know what that means. that means the social totem pole you had 50 years ago, hillary wants to tear the totem pole down and go forward together. that's what stronger together means. >> clinton classic.

feisty, fiery, this message today was specifically designed not just to kind of take down trump in general but do it in a way that raises the stakes for nonwhite voters. >> but bill clinton there was saying and suggesting directly that make america great again is sort of racist. >> not subtly, quite directly. >> we have clips going back to 1992 where bill clinton as a presidential candidate said make america great again. was he racist. >> he's a white southern man, he knows all of the dog whistles, right? >> leaving aside the merits of that argument, if you call a guy nazi and people have been calling trump that, does calling him a racist two months out? really, i haven't heard that before. >> it's sort of like the birther thing, does that make any difference? >> i don't think so but i do think there's a base enthusiasm problem in the democratic party and if hillary can't do it, then

get somebody out there who can do it. >> does criticizing trump get them motivated? will it work? >> yes, i think there's a chance with bill clinton and barack obama out there saying to african-american audiences, you better get out there and this guy will take us back 20 years. >> show time? >> 8:00. >> every week i'm amazed and keep thinking there's going to be a challenge, not much is happening and then boom. >> you're behind all of the drama. >> coming up, still an active manhunt for the person responsible for last night's bombing. geraldo rivera live on the scene. he'll join us right after the break. your car got rear-ended and you needed a tow. did your 22-page insurance policy say, "great news. you're covered?" no. it said, "blah blah blah blah..."

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>> so they blocked off manhattan 20 blocks below where we are, it's hard to get in here but geraldo rivera did manage to get on the scene there he is. >> how are things looking where you are? >> reporter: the police have obviously blocked off 23rd street, which is one of the main cross town thoughough fares, it

was bohemian at one time and now upper middle class, but i can't for the life of me think why they would choose this place as the target. there's absolutely no strategic value. if they had gone across town and up ten blocks, they would have gone to the united nations with the security council and general assembly are meeting. that would be a strategic target that would indicate terrorism, but here it's almost like terror vandalism, a bomb going off in a dumpster shattering the calm in this neighborhood. even on a saturday night, where there's plenty of action, this thing -- plenty of people on the street. lots of people got hurt by shrapnel and so forth. so again, there's no indication of any kind of strategic value. why would an isis or al qaeda or real terror organization choose to strike here? in terms of the lethality of the

device used, it does not appear to be -- let me put it this way, it appears under powered and very unsophisticated. a kind of like this tsarnaev brothers at the boston marathon light, if you get my drift. not nearly it seems as much thought in terms of the creation of the device, that second device they found four blocks uptown, that pressure cooker. i still have not heard any reliable account telling me that that is an explosive device, that that is a bomb. but back to the headline here in chelsea, the saturday night shattered 29, 30 people injured and most of those injuries not serious and none as far as i know life threatening but we are here. we'll track the developments and track the significance of this but again, in my view, this is

terror vandalism. but obviously that is just my tentative speculation. facts will replace my opinion. back to you. >> wanted to come here in the studio but said, no i want to be on the ground where the action is. we appreciate you being down there. >> thanks geraldo. >> ed, over to you. >> big questions this morning of course as geraldo was saying, how sophisticated was the device and how are police moving forward with the investigation? we have a great team assembled to answer those questions. former nypd commander joe car nally and joint terror task force steve rogers and michael balboni. a moment ago you were on your cell phone getting new information. tell your viewers what you're learning. >> my sources are telling me, everyone is shaking their heads saying why here. >> why chelsea? >> why 23rd street.

you have the u.n. general assembly this week and a lot of stuff going on in the city, why pick 23rd? >> times square. >> particularly on a saturday night. if you want to go anywhere -- if it was a target as previously with the path finder in times square. he waited for a warm night. >> more fear -- >> exactly. this just doesn't make sense from that perspective, in addition to which the device itself, how it was constructed and where it was put in a dumpster, all sorts of questions as to why would you do this? which is pointing people towards looking to something more local, either a home grown guy but really kind of beginning to take their eyes from an international -- >> it could have been -- underline, could have been inspired by isis or al qaeda but not directed. >> exactly. >> someone who may have watched videos on the internet and said i'm going to do something or not inspired by isis but just says, i want to go do something and hurt some people. you're saying at the early

stages and this is early, they are not seeing here on the ground the nypd some nexus of international terror. >> as my colleagues know, you let the investigation take you where it takes you, no presumptions ahead of time. >> steve, what does that tell you? >> another answer to the question why there we learned years ago in the al qaeda training manual, they'll do probing. when the bomb went off in new york and new jersey, the terrorists responsible for this act, they could be probing the response time, the number of first responders, where to place i.e.d.s, et cetera, et cetera. there's a lot of reconnaissance that goes into attacks before a bigger attack. this could have been a probe. that's why we have to be very vigilant and they have to get this guy and get him quick because if he's out there, i could strike again. >> check your cell phone, see who he was talking to and what else might be coming next potentially underline the word

potentially. joe, you have a lot of experience. that's why you're here. all of this information coming in, what does it tell you? >> it tells me we have to do exactly what mike said, fay tak in the direction it's going. don't assume anything, don't get tunnel vision either and say it could be just this. you want to go out there and step out of the box and have a panel sit down like we're doing and what if it's this and that and get everybody's opinion on it. to go out and say, it's terror vandalism, you don't want to be saying that either. what if this guy is just a local nut the way mayor giuliani said, i've got to step my game up, he's challenging me to put a better device. >> i have ten seconds but you may not be able to answer this, did any of the investigators you're talking to think this was tied to the pipe bomb in new jersey? >> nothing -- nothing that ties it so far. >> great so far. michael, steve, joe, we appreciate it. tucker and abby, back to you.

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upgrade your phone system and learn how you could save at vonage.com/business just before i got off the plane, a bomb went off in new york and nobody knows exactly what's going on. and boy, we're living in a time, we better get very tough folks, very, very tough. >> that was trump last night after the blast and media quick to judge him for using the term bombing to describe what happened in new york. but nobody complained with hillary used the exact same term. here to react, host of media buzz, howie kurtz. good to see you. >> hello there. >> how are you, my friend? >> great. >> what is your response? very different reactions as we

continue to see when anything happens from donal usually coming out first and then hillary clinton. >> trump is a gut player who calls an apparent bombing a bombing and hillary clinton is a cautious and conventional politician who waits for authorities to make the determination, which is how most politicians operate. the media kind of offended by trump's breach of protocol because he reacted by saying what was pretty obvious, that it was a bomb before waiting for the police commissioner to hold a press conference. they are not accustomed to the way in which he operates sort of outside the normal rules. >> he's dr. strangelove for saying this and i don't remember in the press going after democratic politicians pore jumping to unfounded conclusions in the wake of a bunch of police shootings in the last couple of years. draw massive conclusions by american society and that's cool on the basis of no knowledge. >> there should be one standard

that says that nobody should jump to conclusions about the motivations for a shooting, who's at fault. we saw this most dramatically in the michael brown shooting in ferguson. there's -- media have to be very careful here because especially now there's so much obvious disdain for donald trump, doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. the problem, the risk for trump in doing this is one out of 20 times it might be a gas explosion and not a bomb and you get embarrassed. but he's willing to take that risk. >> there's a broader context that you know better than anyone because you did a column on fox news.com a couple of days ago about how like these attacks are happening now, there's been one attack on donald trump after another, been called a racist, sexist. the conclusion of the column was basically like are the democrats petrified that they've thrown the kitchen sink at this man and it's either a tie race or in some polls he has the lead?

>> this was the risk of hillary clinton's campaign. she decided she was going to base much of her pitch on demonizing donald trump, pretty standard thing in politics. when you've called him dangerous, unfit for the presidency, ignorant on foreign policy and shady businessman and all of that and it's september and the polls have tightened almost to the point of a tie. what else does she have to throw him? i said in the column, hillary has to made more of an appeal for herself to find a way to appeal to white working class voters because there aren't many nuclear bombs left in her arsenal. >> if you had videotape of trump having breakfast with satan at the four seasons -- would it move a vote? >> wait, four seasons? >> new york watering hole. what could people learn about trump at this point that would change their minds? >> that would scare them?

>> it is the media fallacy. if only we investigate him more, if only we criticize him more or if only we show people who this guy really is then america will turn against him. we know an awful lot about donald trump. he's been in a searing spotlight and recipient of lots of negative coverage and some inspired by his own words. with all of that, there's a sense that you know, why don't -- wasn't america understand? i think america is making a choice, some like hillary and some like trump but it will be hard to demonize him further. >> maybe it's about his policies that people like. that's just a guess. >> howie will be live at 11:00 a.m. eastern. don't miss it. >> always good to see you. >> thanks, guy. >> new york city mayor says last night's attack was intentional. >> there is no evidence at this point of a terrorist connection

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. nypd ordering residents away from their windows. >> it could all point to another attack on the way. >> from the new york district attorney's criminal unit joins us live. geraldo was saying that chelsea is an area that is obviously

less well known than the u.n. or times square. you say that could be a softer target. maybe that's what a terrorist wants to do. >> there's no question about it. it's a phenomenal choice when you talk about strategy. when you think about it, look at chelsea on a saturday night at 8:00, look how busy it is with people moving about, shopping, partying and people standing outside, drinking outside of bars and something detonates at this point, not only are you going to adversely impact a lot of lives but you're going to get an awful lot of media attention for the next 72 hours. >> it's about scaring people going about their daily lives and place like 23rd and 6th where i used to live, it's just a bunch of apartment buildings, people going to whole foods or dinner. the american people feeling on edge, many of them, they want to know the truth and where are we at in this fight against terror. how should we be thinking about

this? >> exactly, the way i look at it, america is advanced citizenship and resilient but want the truth. don't sugar coat it. that's why when we look at a situation like this, it's incumbent upon us to tell our viewers what we see. why be afraid to say it's a bomb? what else would you call it? there are people around with metal sticking in their bodies. it was a bomb. let's tell them the truth. we don't have to rush to something, nor should they expect us to rush to it because it's a marathon, not a sprint, but advanced citizenship. we owe it to the american people to be honest and straightforward. >> how confident can we be that law enforcement in new york is not under pressure from the mayor and governor to profile people so-called? right, there was a big controversy about this over the past ten years, nypd surveilling mosques o et cetera, should that worry us? >> yes, it should. but i don't think the nypd

especially with the commission that's in place, i don't think it's going to be an issue, nor would it be an issue with the bureau or anybody else . you're talking about good old fashioned law enforcement. everything that's going to happen here is going to be textbook and they'll continue down that way. i really don't think anyone should be concerned with political influence at this point. >> michael balboni, he was working phones and talking to people on the ground from the nypd, investigating this saying they initially, underline initially, do not see international nexus of terror, they think it might be a lone wolf. what does that tell you? >> it could be. again when we look at this, look at the device. in orlando, what kind of shells were used to give us an idea who the shooter was. when you look at how these devices were built, it's going to give us an idea of the

pedigree or people that constructed them. that speaks volumes about what we're going to be looking at. i really believe that. >> we really appreciate your insight. >> a massive manhunt is under way at this hour for the person responsible. we'll hear from rudy giuliani next. >> geraldo rivera joins us live straight ahead as well. hey america, still not sure whether to stay or go on that business trip? ♪ should i stay or should i go? ♪ this fall at choice hotels, the more you go the better!

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over the shell shocked city, police are still searching for motives and everyone is asking, was this terrorism? >> what a morning, for sure. who better to put this into perspective than geraldo rivera that is live in chelsea. we're told he's there. there he is, what do you see? >> reporter: you know, tucker, i see the forensic guys poring over the shrapnel and so forth from the explosion, which happened in this very unlikely neighborhood, kind of mid block between 7th avenue, both through the fashion district. this was an area known as the flower market and kind of upscale middle class. there's an association for the deaf or blind building there, the bomb apparently happening in or near a dumpster in front of that very unlikely location

between 6th avenue and 7th avenue. before i give you what i know so far, let me say the president of the united states is due to arrive here in new york at 5:45 at jfk, joining other world leaders for the opening of the u.n. againgeneral assembly. 6th and 7th avenue, the united nations is on first avenue. it's the other side of the island of manhattan. and up another 20 blocks so if the purpose or motive, if this was indeed terrorism, was to send a message, it seems they could have picked a location far more threatening, far more menacing and ominous than here in chelsea. chelsea known for bars and restaurants and legendary chelsea hotel. but at 8:30 last night, the regular festivities of a saturday night just absolutely shattered by a massive

explosion, an explosion felt and heard blocks away, 29 people injured and none of them apparently life threatening, but my goodness, this certainly whether it was terrorism or not or isis or al qaeda inspired, it was certainly terrifying for the people here. and remember, tucker, ed and abby, this blast comes 12 hours after the blast in the jersey shore that interrupted that charity run for service members. so you know, we don't know what it is. the size of the device, the placement of the device, the unsophisticated nature of it indicates that it wasn't a hardened terrorist. i called it earlier maybe terror vandalism -- you never know -- the good news is -- the other device found on 27th street, that was intact. it seems that those two may be

related, that bomb did not explode so frenically, i think that should prove a treasure trove of evidence for the inspectors. sorry, abby. >> that's all right. we had rudy giuliani and asked whether or not he thought it was terror rel what he told us. >> you don't know who did it, how they did it, why they did it. i can't -- unless he has a lot more information than it appears he has, it seems to me premature to say it is or is not connected international terrorism but a bomb almost by definition, when you explode a bomb in a crowded area, that's an act of terrorism. i believe you lead from the front. i'm sort of mcarthur patton kind of leader, you lead from the front and you're there and tell the facts you know aebt don't avoid things by trying to sound

you've mystic because nobody will -- to say it is islamic terrorism is jumping too far. to say this was an act of terror is perfectly accurate. >> there you have this morning on our couch, rudy giuliani saying this was in fact an act of terror. the manhunt is under way trying to find out who is responsible. what are they telling you on the scene in terms of where things are at this morning? >> abby, you have a couple of things happening at different levels. first of all and most importantly at this point, i believe you have a actual closer shot of the explosion, they are gathering every one of the fragments that they can find. why? because they want to see if they can trace the materials used to construct is that explosive device to the source. that's how ultimately they got the tsarnaevs in the boston marathon bombing. that by the way a far more lethal obviously far more sophisticated device with a timer that was planned to

explode during the race to cause maximum cause ults, that was an example of a strategic target, the boston marathon. here again, i come back to the fact, they've got the forensic guys in the street. you have forensic guys on the street and at the same time you have detectives and multiple federal and state and local agencies and governor of new york, andrew cuomo had just a few minutes ago drove by our location. they are combing this town right now. they are exhausting all of their sources. whether it is connected to the general assembly meeting intended to start tomorrow, they don't know. they were already in a heightened state of alert with the president coming and now that is intensified. i think he characterized it correctly, when you have something explode between 6th

and 7th in manhattan, that is terror, whether it's done by a blind grandma or isis inspired person. >> you were talking before if you want to make a bigger statement, you would try to blast a bomb outside the u.n. with president obama and these world leaders coming. that's a fair point but we've had other experts on this morning saying, wait a second, the u.n. is heavily guarded as everyone knows, why not go to chelsea where you can make a similar statement and it's a much softer target, unfortunately. >> reporter: ed, it's definitely a softer target, that's why it's so i will logical. you could not get a softer target, that is to say a target less connected to anything political or strategic than chelsea. the chelsea hotel, ed, you're barely old enough to remember the dillon song but this is the neighborhood that was bohemian, now very residential. i'm telling you, it would not

take much -- i'm not giving advice to terrorists -- wouldn't take much to drive east a couple of blocks uptown, 15 or 20 blocks, plenty of similar streets totally unguarded and they would have been closer if that was the intent. that makes me think it was not the intent. that makes me speculate and this is pure speculation, but have been covering this stuff for almost half a century, i speculate it's young people making a statement, learning how to build explosive devices off the internet and whether they planted it here on purpose or panicked, i don't know. there are surveillance cameras everywhere. this is one of the most surveilled cities on earth. so i think they have plenty to go on and i would suspect that the perps or perpetrator would be rounded up relatively quickly. >> there's a political component to all of this as you know, the mayor of the city, bill de blasio came out and seemed to rye to reassure people this was

not terror related. we have lieutenant general michael flynn on the show who responded to that this way. listen. >> we have a problem. we have got to be very, very brutally honest with the american public as to what is happening and we can't tip toe around what we're calling certain things. that's very -- that's actually dangerous and disservice to the american public. what we have to be, we have to be brutally honest. we're facing a threat and it is an international threat. the arab world has got to come to grips with this thing and muslim world has to come to grips with this thing. we have a problem when leaders get together like they are going to get together, starting today and tomorrow and tuesday through wednesday, we have got -- they have got to have the guts to speak up about this. our leadership has to have the guts to speak up about this. we're at a place now where it's not about what is happening but why it's happening and then we have to get after this problem. >> you pointed out we don't know and we are stuck with speculation at this point, but

there is also this impulse on the part of many of our leaders on the basis of no knowledge reassure us this is not part of a terror plot. they don't much nor more than we do a lot of them. but that's the first instinct to do that. why do you think? >> reporter: what i despise more than thinking is whether someone on the right or left takes a stand based on politics and ideology rather than the facts on the ground. i think it is impossible for mayor de blasio to suggest that this was an intentional act and then not go to the next step of bombing and next step, why would you put a bomb there terror. i think he can justly be criticized on the left for that. by the same token, general flynn by saying that even mentioning the word muslim in that context, why -- how do you get to muslim from here, that's a lot -- there's a lot of territory there. i prefer the middle road, something exploded on saturday night in chelsea.

it was not a crime in the classic sense. it wasn't designed to blow the wall off a bank to stick it up. it wasn't designed to kill some high profile target. it wasn't designed to panic the u.n. general assembly happening a couple of miles away. it was -- it was what it is but what it is is an act of terror, certainly a terrifying act in a residential neighborhood. >> and the first bomb went off just to give people a sense this morning, on 23rd and 6th about 8:30 last night and few blocks north on 27th, we have a picture of this. this is a pressure cooker. it looks like very much a home made bomb there. luckily did not go off or hurt anybody. but shortly after this, you had donald trump who said it was in fact a bomb, got a lot of criticism from media and other folks saying it was too soon to make a clarification there. hillary clinton came out saying the same thing, you have to wonder if it will reverse and

hillary clinton said it was a bomb in the beginning if there would be that criticism? >> reporter: i don't know about that. but i do know donald trump saying this is a bomb, that is to me pretty obvious. it is a bomb. something blew up. they discounted the possibility of a gas explosion very early in this investigation, before i went to bed last night they discounted that kind of accidental explanation. and there is shrapnel in the street. i can see it from here half a block away. i'm sorry, but i have to go with trump on this one. that was a bomb exploded on 23rd street between 6th and 7th avenue on a saturday night. why? we'll find out. i think that pressure cooker, thank goodness it didn't explode because not only did it save injuries but also will give investigators some real solid forensic evidence gathering potential. >> geraldo rivera covering it thoroughly as only he can.

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a fox news alert, eight people were stabbed in saint cloud minnesota. >> pete hegbeth was in saint cloud yesterday and joins us rif

from minneapolis. good to see you, pete, certainly not under these circumstances when you see what is clear a terror attack on the ground in minnesota. what are you hearing there? what are people saying? >> i was there for a football game later that evening. what's happening in minnesota is a microcosm of the refugee concerns in america. there's no real understanding of how much, many resettled throughout minnesota, rochester, minneapolis and saint cloud. a significant population, upward of 10 or 15% of the population in saint cloud. a lot of tensions and there has not been the amount of assimilation a lot have wanted. there's a concern that this population could do something just like this. the fbi director a couple of months ago said that literally about the smally population, there's a problem and they are in denial. there's been an abiding concern that something like this might

happen eventually. it did in saint cloud it appears, we don't know the identity of the attacker. with places like the mall of america and others in minnesota, that continues. >> it was federal policy. >> that's right. >> and upshot has been to turn your state from a peaceful state famous for niceness into a place where there are more terror plots foiled than any other state in the union. what was the point of this? they were supposed to act on behalf of the country, what was the point of this resettlement? >> the point was open arms no matter what. it was open borders and view of the world that the left has. lutheran social services here, one of the resettlement groups just committed to bringing as many as possible with open arms. minnesota is a welcoming place and always has been. if you're not going to assimilate and become fabric of the state, people have concerns and they have sent more to file with al shab ab and isis than the state of minnesota. we need these folks to

assimilate and allegiance and track radical mosques and maybe a pause on this program. our leadership here in minnesota tells everyone who has a concern that well, you're just unminnesotan, you can leave the state. the reality is we want to make sure anyone who comes here is a part of that fabric. we don't know how many and we can't track allegiance at this point. >> you don't have to look any further than europe to look at their immigration laws and what they have dealt with over the past 12 months there because of their lax immigration laws. you see that creeping into this country now. what can we do about it? in a place like minnesota, in lovely place that most people normally feel safe there aren't on edge. >> get our hands around refugee resettlement programs. minnesota literally has no idea how many somalis are here. when donald trump talks about extreme vetting, we want to know

who's coming into the country, he's onto the pulse of many americans who say they are not sending refugees to the gated communities of elites and washington, d.c. and sending them to summit avenue in st. paul, they are sending them to rural communities and elsewhere and citizens are saying, this isn't going very well. and a lot -- another problem here in minnesota, big welfare magnet -- you have to look at the refugee resettlements. >> was there ever a vote on this? did you as a minnesota resident have a chance to weigh in? was the population ever consulted about this ever? >> of course not, never. and no real sense of who's coming and how many and you've got city councils and others overwhelmed and that's where you get consternation, it's elites telling us this is something we need to have and folks on ground saying it's time to hit pause. donald trump is right, let's hit pause and see who's coming here.

>> there seems to be a disconnect there. >> pete, good to see you this morning. >> the nypd closely examining this pressure cooker -- how sophisticated is this device. the former secret service agent is joining us next. >> the media slamming trump, of course for calling the blast a bombing and hillary said the same thing, there were critics of course. we'll follow it, stay tuned.

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around the world. brand-new evidence that the downing of egypt air flight 804 was in fact an inside job. traces of the explosive tnt found on pieces of debris that were picked up investigators after the flight came down over the mediterranean sea back in may. no mayday call came from the cockpit as it headed from cairo to france but systems did detect smoke in the bathroom. all people on board are believed to have died. u.s. air force is grounding the $400 billion fighter jets a month after declaring them ready for combat. the aircraft was pulled due to faulty cooling lines. they are still in development and the challenges like these are to be expected, although in this case, of course, they were not expected. >> thank you, tucker. now to a fox news alert, new york city targeted, 29 victims in a deafening explosion as the

nypd investigates a second device blocks away. >> how sophisticated was this device and do investigators use the evidence to find the suspect behind it? joining us now is gary burn, as a former secret service uniformed officer and 13-year vet for u.s. air marshalls, we appreciate you joining us. >> thank you. >> what's your sense how the nypd with the fbi of fbi and others get on top of this and sort out the evidence quickly? >> yeah, the new york city police department is excellent at what they do. and you know, this happened last night. by now they have pictures of the second device. they are cross matching that with information from all over the world from other agencies, federal, other countries, how this device was built. they are comparing it to probably the pressure cooker device we saw used in boston. they are getting all of the information they can and getting it quickly and i wouldn't be

surprised if they have some really pertinent information in the next five to ten hours. >> gary, we're looking at the photo on the right of the screen. this is of a pressure cooker, looks like a home made bomb. this was found on 27th and 6th avenue in new york city last night. just makes you think about the reality we face of people being able to put this together in their homes. walk us through what we're looking at here. how easy is that to make and how harmful can that be? >> you're talking about the skills you might need to build a bicycle. the information you can find on the internet. the pressure cooker you can buy from any store. the parts, the two switches you see, they are just switchers of electronic store, wiring, same thing. they need a power source which is a battery. whatever type of explosive they decided to use, it could be anything from modern chemical explosives like c4 or sin dex to something as simple as gun

powder which can be bought at any firearms store. i won't tell you it's simple to do but with a little bit of practice, unfortunately it can be done. is it dangerous? absolutely. >> they said maybe there was a cell phone attached to that. what do you make of that? would that mean something? >> that tells you it's a little bit more sophisticated, using a cell phone and connecting it to the device. if in fact that's true and it's a real device. there's no reason to believe it's not. having a cell phone, that gives you a couple of different of things, you can use the cell phone as a timer and also connect it to your cell phone -- call the cell phone and detonate the device at will. gives you many options and have no doubt, that if the device is a real device built like that, it can do some damage. we're not sure what the device was that went off but 29 people have shrapnel in them. it is very dangerous and again, i have full confidence in the new york city police department

and their federal partners that they'll get to the bottom of this. >> a lot of confidence indeed. walk us through an investigation like this. you have an explosion, few blocks away that pressure cooker which does not go off and nobody injured there, even though there were a lot of injuries on 23rd street. then less than 24 hours earlier, let's not forget, there was a pipe bomb that exploded in new jersey, not far from mat manhattan. we can't assume they are connected but that sounds like a pretty big coincidence. >> sure, part of that investigation going on with the bombing in new york, they are going to cross reference information and talk to each other and make sure they are not connected. if they are, they are going to go from there. there are different types of devices, a pipe bomb is not a pressure cooker but they have some things in common. they are trying to compress the burn rate or the explosion to make it more potent. that's what a pipe bomb does and

pressure cooker bomb does. we appreciate your insight, thank you. >> thank you. have a great day. >> the mainstream media quick to jump on donald trump after he said this. >> just before i got off the plane, a bomb went off in new york and nobody knows exactly what's going on. >> guess what, hillary clinton used the exact same term, bombing and no one said a word. her running mate is weighing in, you won't believe what he's blaming for all of this. that's coming up when our political panel joins us next. ♪ ♪

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springs. he declared a bomb had just gone off in new york city. >> just before i got off the plane, a bomb went off in new york and nobody knows exactly what's going on. but, boy, we are living in a time we better get very tough, folks, we better get very, very tough. just happened. so we'll find out but it's a terrible thing going on in our world and in our country. and we are going to get tough and smart and vigilant. we're going to end it. we're going to end it. we'll see what it is. we'll see what it is. >> city officials didn't hold a press conference to address the explosion for another two hours and even now investigators haven't said definitively that it was a bomb that caused the explosion. so while donald trump is receiving criticism for getting ahead of the investigation, hillary clinton also called it a bomb last night when she was asked about the explosion and went on to chas ties trump for

jumping to conclusions. >> i've been briefed about the bombing in new york and new jersey and obviously we need to do everything we can to support our first responders. >> do you have any reaction to the fact that donald trump immediately called the explosion in new york a bomb? >> i think it's always wiser to wait until you have information before making conclusions. >> this isn't the first time this kind of thing has happened with these candidates. you'll remember back in may when an egypt air flight disappeared over the mediterranean, both donald trump and hillary clinton called it a terrorist attack. investigators still haven't been able to determine whether that plane crashed due to a mechanical failure or to terrorism. now also in the last 20 minutes, donald trump again addressed

last night's explosion, saying i would like to express my warmest regards and best wishes and condolences to all of the families and victims of the horrible bombing in nyc. tucker? >> thanks, garrett. what inspired a bomber or bombers to attack here in the heart of new york city? here's tim kaine just moments ago weighing in. watch. >> so we are waging a punishing war to defeat isis on the battlefield and it's shrinking their space, however, they are looking as other terrorist groups are, okay, we're losing our ground, they're looking for opportunities to engage in terrorist acts in cities. that's what they are doing, whether it's in europe or united states. how do you stop that? that's not primarily military. it's primarily intelligence and the sharing of intelligence. >> democratic strategist harlin hill and gop strategist john

burnett. i'll go in order. stop spinning me please, the fact our cities being attacked, is a sign of success? does anybody buy that? >> no, absolutely not. he described what was actually a terrorist attack and refused to call it that. so i think what's happening here, with the criticism of trump coming out and saying this was a bomb, is an attempt to divert attention away from the substance of this issue, which is the rise of terrorism in this country and threat that it poses and to have a discussion about donald trump's fitness to be president and how he conducts hillself. which is just purely a distraction. >> i think it's a fair question -- >> i don't think it's purely a distracti distraction. i always feel they are pat tronizing me, global warming or saying this is -- >> i didn't hear an accusation -- >> kerry said that two months

ago. do you have a feeling they are not being straight with us? >> i didn't find that comment from tim kaine at a per plexing. the comments from bill de blasio were strange and raised a lot more questions. >> when you see a bomb go off in chelsea, do you think we're winning on battlefield? >> certainly do not, to your point talking about donald trump or hillary clinton's fitness to be commander in chief relevant, it is relevant here because you want to think about their fitness in that office in the context of the united states. >> what is it about certain politicians who immediately try to reassure us what we're seeing and dots we're connecting are invalid and wrong? what's that impulse about? >> well, they are elected officials and have to make sure they are instilling confidence, not only in their leadership but also the fact that we're in a safe america. however, you have to call it what it is. >> a little bit, right. >> it's an act of terrorism.

it created terror. there's nothing wrong with saying that. however, the investigation has to yield at some point hopefully in the immediate near future as to whether or not it's radical islam or some nut job as mayor giuliani put it. >> everyone jumped all over trump in the press, saying more than he knows, et cetera, et cetera. i didn't hear anybody say that to democratic politicians in the wake of every police shooting in the last year made sweeping generalizations about america on the basis of no facts. >> it's because hillary clinton loses on the issue of terrorism and economy. when there are major events in both of those spaces, whether it's bad economic news or new terrorist attack, you don't want to have a discussion, the clinton campaign doesn't a disc substance of the issue, threat of terrorism because she's losing on it. when you're talking about substance in policy, she can't win there. >> the comment that you showed from tim kaine as i interpreted just said we need to focus resources on intelligence.

>> you missed the first part, attacks like this are evidence we're winning on the battlefield. i think that's implausible. >> ridiculous. >> is the average reporter honestly and you work at the "washington post," does he believe or she believe that trump or isis is a bigger threat to america? let's be totally honest now. which is a more imminent threat? my impression is they think trump is a greater threat. >> it's an interesting question. i'm not sure there's exactly the same dichotomy, there are people that worry, reporters and american public as well. >> who do they worry about more? >> clash of civilizations narrative that both sides are feeding and when trump says we're at war with islam, that isis says, i want to hear more of that because that motivates our base. >> isn't isis already saying that? >> they are -- >> when trump says i'm acknowledging that isis is waging a religious war because they say they are, why does that empower isis? >> it helps them recruit. there are other muslims who do

not believe -- >> all of the radical muslims are waiting for donald trump's permission to join isis. >> yes, the west -- the nonmuslim world does not trust us and sees us broadly as the enemy, not just a small fringe -- >> it's a distraction. why is it a distraction in part? because obama wants to increase the syrian refugee immigration to 100,000 or more. that is insane. when you look at what's happening in europe and prime minister merkel, her re-election is in jeopardy because they have open borders and they have experienced attacks like they've never experienced before. >> it changes everyone's life, why shouldn't we be able to vote on that? >> we should. >> actually -- does mainstream media think trump is a bigger threat than isis is the easiest to answer. it should be isis is the greater threat, threatening to kill children in playgrounds and take down airplane, this is an easy

question to answer. >> not in our newsrooms. >> i'm told i'm being ordered by a disembodied voice to go to commercial. we've been following this story all morning, a man shouts allah and asks victims if they are muslim before stabbing them. there are live reports from outside the shopping mall now. plus, the take on who may be responsible for what happened last night. >> i heard boom, boom and everything started shaking. i was in iraq and a bomb dropped, that's what it sounded like. >> had to be plot so severe and also that want to see my son. it's a very specific moment, the launch window. we have to be very precise. if we're not ready when the planets are perfectly aligned, that's it. we need really tight temperature controls. engineering, aerodynamics- a split second too long could mean scrapping it all and starting over. propulsion, structural analysis-

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time high after a man is shot dead after a bloody stabbing rampage. >> reportedly screaming references to allah. asking if they were muslim. >> holy smokes, what a story. from fox 9 in minneapolis following the story all night long and nice enough to join us now. sam, what do you know? >> reporter: good morning to you. what we're hearing right now, we're expected to get an update from police in about an hour, hoping to learn more about the suspect and his motivations in this incident, this -- not releasing his name last night and overnight news conference. i can tell you it is much quieter here than it was a few short hours ago when the situation was unfolding. it's a very busy weekend here in saint cloud, a lot of events at the nearby university so there were a lot of people at the mall when this happened. witnesses reported a man dressed in some sort of private security

uniform came into the mall, as you mentioned, asking certain people whether they were muslim, referencing allah and proceeding to slash several people before being shot by an offduty police officer. now several people ran out of the mall, witnesses reported chaos as they tried to get to safety. other people locking themselves inside stores or closets as they worried about what was going on and what was unfolding. many people being kept in a mall for hours after police secured the situation. also hearing that an offduty officer was the one who shot and killed the suspect in this case. haven't heard his name either or the jurisdiction he is with but that is how police were able to coral the suspect. police don't believe this is connected to any other incident and don't believe there's anyone else involved in this case. they say for now that threat is contained but we'll wait to hear more coming up. back to you guys.

>> thank you. >> as he says, very carefully and importantly, they can't tie all of this together just yet. meticulously going through the investigation there on the ground in minnesota, many of the nypd here trying to make sense of what happened there, what happened with the -- >> and three incidents here in the area. >> right. if some agent of a foreign movement is taking orders here, i get it, we can destroy the movement over here. but if a random guy born in this country finds inspiration on the internet and stabs eight people, it's terrifying. >> that's the biggest challenge we face today and continue to be. >> it says something about our immigration policy. >> we're about to learn more in fact about last night's bombing here in new york city. the governor of new york will hold a press conference shortly. we will bring that to you live. >> plus judge janine pirro is live in a few moments, we'll get

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>> all we know right now is that the police departments are on the scene and are tending to possible victims. >> that was judge jeanine pirro breaking the news last night of the bomb blast in new york city, this as the mayor said it was intentional without any mention

of terror. >> the early indications, initial indications, this was an intentional act. whatever the cause, whatever the intention here, new yorkers will not be intimidated, we have the best police force in the country and another key agencies making sure we will be safe. >> watched it live as it happened, judge jeanine pirro, our friend, joins us now on the phone. are you there? >> i am, good morning. >> good morning. >> political angle, i can't resist, what do you make of the mayor's response to this? >> i think the mayor's response is typical of what is in the democrats' play book, is it is never any connection to terrorism, but let me just say in terms of my background in law enforcement, the last thing you do is rule out something that you haven't ruled out yet, and so for the mayor to say it's clearly intentional but no connection to terrorism is absurd, but isn't that what they

said in benghazi, isn't that what they say, you know, at the hearings where what he said before congress, we didn't want to say it was islamic terrorism because we didn't want to insult them? look, here's the bottom line, you have a pipe bomb that goes off on the jersey shore. then you've got this dumpster that was blown to smithereens, and then you've got an undetonated pipe bomb a few blocks away on west 27th street. now, i don't know if they are connected or not connected, but, you know, my background tells me that, you know, coincidences in law enforcement is not something that happens very often. so in terms of the mayor, for him to rule out what hasn't been ruled out yet is absurd. >> given your background, as well, where do you think we are in this investigation, many new yorkers and americans waking up this morning wondering where's the suspect. we see, by the way, live there, there's a news conference being set up with governor cuomo, who

will be out in a few moments, but as we wait for him, we'll go to that live, where do you think we stand with this investigation? >> i think there is a gold mine of information, you know, the undetonated pressure cooker that was found, there will be prints on it, a serial number, they'll be able to find out where it was sold, when it was sold, they got that info on that pressure cooker. remember, the explosion was at 6th and west 23rd, and what you have with this pressure cooker was west 27th. they got that pretty quickly. so i think they've got some intelligence and information. they will be able to make a connection, if there is a connection to be made between these devices, and i think that what probably is going to be said is that new yorkers have to be alert, they have to stay ever vigila vigilant, but we also need to recognize you have the u.n. general assembly coming to town and that's going to be, you

know, a, you know, a hot point of, you know, of politics. so, you know, the narrative that this is not terrorism is just absurd. >> and the city is certainly on high alert this morning and we're waiting for governor andrew cuomo to speak any moment now. we'll bring that to you live. how important for a politician to get out in front of this politician. donald trump came out early saying this was a bomb, got criticized for that, but others saying that's why they like donald trump. >> that's why they like donald trump, and as you indicated, i was in the middle of my show last night and eric trump is just hung up. we'd had a live phone interview with him, but i think that for donald trump to come out, what we want to know, is he there, is he available, is he going to respond. and that's what we keep seeing, a man with stamina who's ready and up to the task. >> thanks, judge, we'll be right back.

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news, and, in fact, governor cuomo's news conference will start in 15 minutes from now. great being with you. >> henry, you were fantastic. obviously, best after the show show of the year. >> stick around. good morning, a fox news alert now. we continue to follow the very latest in new york city this morning, following an explosion in manhattan. welcome to "sunday morning futures," i'm maria bartiromo. thanks very much for joining us. we are awaiting right now a news conference from new york governor andrew cuomo. he is set to address last night's explosion on a crowded new york city street that hurt at least 29 people. new york city mayor bill de blasio is calling the blast this morning, "an intentional act." he said they have no evidence just yet of any ties to terrorism. the explosion destroyed a dumpster and sent pedestrians scrambling for safely last night. shortly after a suspicious