foxandfriends.com. this is a fox news channel special election presentation. countdown to the showdown. now neil cavuto. welcome everybody. i'm very delighted to have you. we are getting ready for the first debate. you've heard a thing or two about it probably over the last, oh, weeks. but it's upon us right now. and we are looking at what's at stake as well as fast moving developments here and around the world. we've got dr. ben carson with us. dr. richard dreyfus. nigel farage is here. his chance to respond to hillary clinton. and charlotte bracing for fifth night of protest as charlotte has yet to release shooting of

keith scott. hillary clinton had announced she was going to visit tomorrow, the mayor saying probably not a good idea. hillary clinton will be attending the opening sceremony for the museum of african-american history in washington, d.c. that ceremony is already underway. the president expected to be -- to speak probably in the next hour. we're going to be there when he does. former president bush is there as well. former president bill clinton. and hillary clinton there in her role as former first lady, they tried to depoliticize these events, so not in her role as former secretary of state or presidential candidate. donald trump is not invited, again, this is not a political event, they say. the manhunt is going on still in washington state. police believe this guy here opened fire at a macy's about 35 miles north of seattle killing five people. authorities are going to be holding a press conference on this in about an hour. we'll take you there live. all right. the charlotte protests are not dying down not one bit. again, the anger especially over the release of this video shot

by keith lamont scott's wife has only renewed the anger whether a gun is ultimately thought to be behind it or he had a gun or not. doesn't seem to matter. dr. ben carson, they were hoping for calm. it got pretty rocky. and this video was a big reason. do you think, dr. carson, authorities should release the video to get everything out there? get it out in the open. >> you know, one of the things that's going on in our society right now is a major amount of distrust of the authorities and particularly government authorities. and everybody from the president down should be extremely concerned about this because the ramifications of that can be devastating in our country. having said that, i don't see a good reason not to release it. i think the other more important thing is what can be done to prevent these kinds of situations from occurring.

you know, obviously we need people talking to the community about consequences of your actions. because the outsiders are really the ones who are responsible. before the outsiders got there the first night there wasn't that much that was going on other than peaceful protesting. >> the first night we did see a lot of activity. i guess what i'm asking is this, it's going to become an issue no doubt in the debate on monday. how do you think the candidates should respond? especially when they can cut along extremes. we see things through our own prism. there are those going to say this is needless violence, others going to argue even if a gun is found and that it was revealed that scott might have had a gun after all, it won't matter. so how do the candidates respond to that? >> well, remember, the president has to be president of the all the people. so to take sides is clearly the wrong thing to do. you know, our police officers

put their lives on the line every day. that needs to be acknowledged. but it also needs to be acknowledged that the community is very distrustful. and what can we do to tamp down that distrust? maybe talking about the possibility of other types of training. is there something that could have been done, for instance, in this case in north carolina? the wife is there pleading. you know, why not, you know, bring the wife over and talk to her? she probably would have explained that this guy had some problems. and say to her, will you go in there and you get the gun from him? >> you're right, we don't know. we'll see how it sorts out. >> there are different ways -- >> the national guard is there. we do know it got a little touch and go again last night. so maybe opinions are firmly held and they're not going to budge. so i guess, you know -- >> and that's what has to change. >> now, the mayor has already said she doesn't want either candidate to go there. so what do you think of how this settles out in the next few

days? >> again, i disagree. i don't think there's anything wrong with the candidates going there because this is a big issue. and this is going to have ramifications in other places. and we need -- one of the things that's missing right now is the kind of leadership that comes in early in a situation like this and says, look everybody, i know this looks bad but we have a system in place to take care of that. my justice department is going to make sure this is all looked at carefully. we're going to make sure that everything is open and revealed to you. just give us time. i didn't hear that. but if we had heard that early on, i think a lot of this could be tamped down. >> like you said it might be a little late for that. i had reverend jesse jackson here a couple days ago, doctor,

and he more or less said this is another case where young black men feel victimized and he could understand the violence. he came very close to almost condoning it saying the number of white collar crimes and the ill will that's been thrust upon innocent customers even at wells fargo justifies almost a tit-for-tat, what do you make of that? >> well, there's obviously no justification for violence and destroying property or things of that nature. but there is a lot of frustration. remember, you know, there are people who had hope. that hope is going away. all the change that was supposed to occur has not occurred. things are still the same. and we need people who actually understand what is creating that frustration, and dealing with it. you know, why, for instance, in the inner cities and the african-american community are people so frustrated? it's because they don't have a

ladder of opportunity that they've had before. so many jobs have disappeared. you know, you have school system that is deteriorating and yet they're forced to stay within that system. we have accumulating debts, which tends to impact those at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder first. we have immigration problems that are not being resolved, that are probably being exacerbated. all these things are impacting on people. they might not even realize they're impacting upon it. but it's creating enormous frustration. >> you know, doctor, i'd be remiss if i didn't mention the debate in a couple days. you might have heard there's a presidential debate going. and ted cruz just yesterday via facebook and belatedly announced his support for donald trump. what did you make of that? >> well, it's about time. >> what took him so long? what do you think took him so long? >> resentment.

i would expect. you know, they both developed a close relationship early on and then sometimes those are the relationships that become the most bitter when things don't go the way you expect them to go. so that's what's happened. but it also it's not just ted cruz, but so many of the established republicans have rejected donald trump. and it lets you know that their priority is maintenance of this status quo. and that's more important to them than the issues of putting the people first and not making this a government centric nation. >> you know, dr. carson, mark cuban, the mavericks owners, billionaire, was apparently given a front row seat by hillary clinton's folks at monday's debate. i would assume to psych out donald trump. what do you think of that? >> i'm sure that's the reason it was done. it's not going to work.

>> what should he do? how should he return the favor? >> by ignoring him, quite frankly. and sticking to the issues. they are going to be working extremely hard to get him distracted. to throw him off. to get him angry. so that they can make this about him. because that's the only way they can win. they cannot win on the issues. they do not have any legitimate argument. >> all right. so how would you advise donald trump, who's pretty good at these debates and yet he scored well, sometimes little personal insults, in the early days he didn't against you, so what i'm asking is should donald trump return to that? it was a winning formula during the primary season. or be above the fray as he's done quite well over the last couple weeks? >> no, he had to do what he did in order to get through the primaries. no question about that.

but now he's talking about being president of all the people and being presidential. and that means really addressing the issues. and it's so clear this time, i think it's clearer than it's ever been in the history of america, one side wants the government to control your life from cradle to grave. and one side wants to put the people back in charge. and also, it's a matter of the people versus the establishment. this is not so much about democrats and republicans. this is about the will of the people about which this country was supposed to be. and the establishment, which is just completely offended by the thought of anyone other than them controlling things. >> all right. dr. carson, always good having you. thank you for taking the time. >> thank you now. you know, i don't know when say they don't like donald trump and leave the country when he become president, i could fill a

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this is a fox news channel special election presentation. countdown to the showdown. now neil cavuto. oh, this one too. they're both going. he's eating his way right through that line. >> yeah, he's working his way right to us. come on. hurry! >> out of my way. >> all right. i know what you're thinking, neil, why would you be showing a clip from "jaws," when you told us you were going to be talking about this big debate that's coming up? well, that movie is a metaphor, if you will, because not only do i have richard dreyfuss on, the star of that movie, but the shark can be seen as donald trump in that way because it seems every power that be in hollywood, wants to kill him. richard, what did you think of that analogy on my part? >> i thought it was cute.

>> okay. thank you. >> yeah. >> well, we just raised our production level. >> at the end he was blown to hell. >> yes, you did. a long list of people saying they're going to leave the country or they just can't stand donald trump. >> i think we're going to need a bigger boat to keep them. you see where i'm going with this? >> if i had a penny for every time i heard that. >> what is going on? i don't know your views on this subject, but i mean it does seem that many of your friends in hollywood and entertainment community, they're not big fans of donald trump. why is that? >> it's funny how i always have to start by saying, i'm not a member of the hollywood community. you've already compartmentalized me incorrectly. i am not a gaggle, a member of the gaggle of hollywood

liberals. and i'll say two things. i gaggle for no one. and i'm not a liberal. i am a liboconservo-middle of the road, just like most of you. you haven't given it any thought lately. >> but you haven't answered my question. i wasn't asking about you specifically, but i was asking about your colleagues why do they march in lockstep? obviously you succeeded marching to your own drummer. it's just weird. >> i don't live there anymore. i live in san diego. and i lived in london for four years before that. i really retired out of the show business around 2000. >> what was that bernie madoff thing you did, which was phenomenal by the way. >> thank you. >> it's not as if you just quit the business. >> well, i didn't quit because i found out there had been a family crisis and my money was gone. and so the only way i knew how

to make a living was to act. but i was running a nonprofit the teaching of civics back to the grades below high school graduation. >> i remember that. we're missing a lot. what have you discovered? >> we know nothing. you can actually say right now that there's no one in the country who can understand any of the stories on the front page of any of the newspapers in the country. they don't understand the middle east or the financial crisis or corporations or anything. >> i wouldn't say no one. i would say there are many -- >> what? >> i wouldn't say no one, right? >> wait, you dropped. >> sorry to hear that. >> i'm missing a neil cavuto gem. >> all right. i'll let you put that on there. all i'm saying is i don't think -- no one knowing what's going on. i just think it's a lot of people who have their own

strengths and interests and not so much in other areas. but then what do you want to hear out of the candidates on monday that might pique that interest? >> i have no expectations about the debates. i think they're going to just one way or the other they're going to repeat what they've been saying and not saying in the campaign so far. and then it's a question of is it possible to elect donald, or is it not? i'm not saying i'm moving to canada. but i'm going up to canada for a vacation just to look around for real estate. >> regardless of who wins or if donald trump wins? >> well, let's say after november 6th. >> right. >> all right. >> let me ask you a little something here that in debate

obviously we all live in our own head, our own prisms, through our own bias. there are a lot of people who gave matt lauer grief, richard, some time at a back hall because he interrupted and drilled hillary clinton. and a lot of people felt he should have done more of that with donald trump. again, is that right? does it put pressure on a moderator whether it's lester holt this time or others down the road including our chris wallace knowing that the industry might be pressuring a certain code of questioning and conduct? >> i don't think there's any secret starting point with people saying let's support the democrats. i do believe that the media has fallen behind in how do you cover a phenomena like donald trump. and they're not -- they haven't

succeeded yet. the media, for instance, has a kind of a mandate to correct factual error. and when donald trump started talking about a rigged convention, no one said, no, no, it's not a rigged convention. it's an old method. if you don't get the number on the first ballot, there's a second ballot. >> fair enough. so do you think then it should be lester holt -- either candidate might be saying something that is false that he should interrupt them or the other candidate should interrupt them? >> i think the moderator should do it and i think the media should do it. especially now. >> a lot of trouble when she did that and turned out she was wrong, right? >> well, that's her job. >> but she was wrong. >> may be wrong, may be right, but there is no press club

membership which maintains the same mandate that edward r.murro did. everybody lets everybody off the hook. >> all right. so we'll watch what happens. we'll see whether -- i just sometimes see there's a double standard. you know, interrupting hillary not good to do. interrupting trump fine to do. >> what do you think of the trump candidacy, the fact that he actually won the party? >> well, he's running for president. he's there right now. my views are meaningless. you're the star. >> actually, your views are of incredible meaning. >> well, we'll see. we'll see. richard, thank you very much. >> it's funny --. ♪ tresiba® ready ♪ tresiba® is a once-daily, long-acting insulin that lasts even longer than 24 hours. i want to trim my a1c. ♪ tresiba® ready ♪ tresiba® provides powerful a1c reduction.

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they still can't find him yet, a washington state mall shooting suspect. five people are dead. they just don't know where this guy is. former fbi director james wool si with us right now. i've asked every time something like this happens, of course people's minds quickly turn to t terror. about a week after the new york area attacks and the minnesota mall attacks. what do you think, your early read on all this? >> it's really hard to say. there was one description that found its way into the press on this man in washington state saying that he seemed to be hispanic. one thing that you do in trying to find someone when there's been somebody like this perpetrated is look to neighbors and friends and brothers and cousins because often terror acts don't go alone. and they work together with as

in the attack in boston two years ago during the marathon. they often go with relatives. and so i imagine some of the hunt will start, if they can find anything out about this man. >> right. because this one they don't know who the heck he is. they did say he was hispanic. i don't know whether that came from what they thought were images from these security cams at macy's or from people at the scene. if it's something more involved, of course it's got america on edge because we've certainly see a pick up in this type of thing like i say in just the last week. what do you make of that? >> it's really awful. and it's hard to see in a case like this what's happened. let's assume for the sake of the discussion of the moment he is

from hispanic background, those aren't major terror groups in the united states the way from some other ethnic groups is. so we may just not have any kind of a lead at all on him. >> you know, law and order and safety expected to be a very big issue in the debate on monday. and obviously with what's been going on in charlotte, each candidate has been saying that they're the better law and order candidate. donald trump of course has been making it a signature issue saying you have to stand by police, you have to stand by authorities. you have to toughen up. what do you make of that? >> well, i think that's a generally appropriate. one does, i think, if we were operating the way rudy giuliani and kelly did in new york for several years with the stop and frisk and the broken windows approach as it's called, so you don't tolerate even minor disturbances. and you can stop and frisk if you want to save lives. what they did clearly worked.

and i think that by getting away from it and new york a while ago they saw the murder rate go up. and one needs to pay attention to what succeeds. and that did during the years they implemented it. >> what do you make in charlotte where it looks like not across the board but with the police and how they're reacting to the crowds. i'm not saying they're standing down, but they obviously don't want to ago ri vgravate things. but it can happen like the release of the tape from keith lamont scott's wife, is there a protocol here? >> well, you don't want to look weak. if you can stop any violence from getting started by substantial deployment of police, then that may help keep things from rolling out of hand hour after hour and evening

after evening. so as the sometimes case in military matters, a quick and decisive move at the beginning is probably something that you want. but on the other hand that puts the police under a great deal of pressure to get something like that decided and done quickly. and sometimes that's just not practical. >> ambassador, thank you very much. >> good to be with you. all right. you know, there's sometimes a conflict of dates that are interesting. monday's debate is 56 years to the date of that first debate between john f. kennedy and richard nixon. a debate we're told in retrospect that if you heard it you thought nixon won. but if you saw it, jfk won. get ready. style counts, after this.

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good evening. the television and radio stations of the united states and their affiliated stations are proud to provide facilities for discussion of issues in the current political campaign by the two major candidates for the presiden presidency. the candidates need no introduction. the republican candidate, vice president richard m. nixon. and the democratic candidate, senator john f. kennedy. >> 56 years ago monday everything changed. televised debates had started. there would be a few quad ren yell moments in the election process we would not have them, but they are often seen as deciding factors. and in this one it was interesting because richard

nixon, for those who heard the vice president at the time, well, they thought he got the better of john kennedy. but far more saw the event and they thought john kennedy got the better of him. iq or style over substance or a little bit of style and substance? hard to say this much is not debates have changed the landscape of our political debate. presidential historian evan thomas joining us right now has written so many great books on presidents and leaders over the time. but being nixon among them. and i always wondered the complicated character you painted of nixon, evan, goes back to maybe his inability to appreciate the magnitude and the importance of the debate that would be judged on style as much as substance, right? >> well, it's all new. you know, tv was a new thing still in 1960. so they don't have all these years of experience that we have today. >> right. >> but nixon blew it. no doubt about it. he was not rested. he did a big campaign event

earlier that morning. this is sort of funny, but in those days it wasn't even clear whether you should have makeup on. they asked kennedy, do you want to have makeup and he said no. and then he went back into his private dressing room and was made up. they asked nixon who'd heard kennedy say no i don't want makeup so nixon said, no, i don't want makeup either. nixon's aide went down, got him something called shave stick, this really gross stuff you put on your beard. and it looked horrible on the camera. he sweated through it. it just looked -- you can see -- >> also how they carry themselves or answer questions or how they look, this comes to mind. does nixon answer a question, people soon forgot what he was saying. take a look. >> i have voted in the last eight years when the vice president was presiding over the senate and meeting his responsibilities, i have met decisions over 800 times met not only on the domestic security of the united states but a member

of the senate foreign relations committee. >> all right. now, i'm sure nixon wasn't aware he was being filmed listening and the eyes shifting back and forth. that could be analogous of the bush senior looking at his watch thing in the 1992 debate. but do little things like that add up or do we in the media make a bigger deal out of them than warranted? >> media does make a big deal of them, but yes, they add up tremendously. this is not about issues. this is not about substance. it is a little bit, but really it's about body language, it's about how you look, it's about who looks presidential and who does not. in 1960 jfk was young, kind of a newcomer, people didn't know who he was. nixon was vice president. >> yeah. >> seemed to have the edge on experience. but who looked presidential? it was jack kennedy, it was young jack kennedy. it was not richard nixon. that was just fatal. >> you know, you told me i think last time we chatted that sometimes in debates or for the challenger or the challenger to the incumbent party in the white house, it's like a trying out

process. people at home are saying can i picture this person president of the united states, or ronald reagan met that challenge in the 1980 debate with jimmy carter and famously saying there you go again. people don't say he seems to be too much of a crazy, i could picture him in the oval office. you mentioned earlier, evan, about the opportunity that a debate presents. sometimes you can come out the gate and be hurting. it was one and done for jimmy carter. ronald reagan had a tough first debate with walter mondale, came back and had a zinger. how important are the zingers to reestablish yourself? >> well, they are, and reagan was the great master with there you go again. and earlier in the primary debates about the microphone. so they matter. but you can over rehearse it. you can be too cute. if it looks like -- and you can be sure that hillary clinton will have a whole stack of zingers lined up. but if she doesn't deliver them well, if it looks like they're written by a speech writer, she's not the funniest, easiest

person herself. she's not the most natural person herself. and if she looks unnatural, it's not going to work. >> talk is that she's going to try to get him -- but the talk is she's going to try to get him to lose his composure. >> i'm sure that's the game. >> and if he doesn't, then what? >> well, then he wins. i mean, he wins the debate. this is all about composure. if hillary can rattle trump and make him look a little crazier, angrier or unstable, and she stays stable, then she wins. if he can stay cool and lay back adds he often did in debates we saw earlier this year, he's going to do fine. >> real quickly, evan -- i'm sorry to rush you, but you mentioned at the outset that there's this idea people will be paying attention to how much of a leader they look like. barack obama's people said they could see him -- he's right now

at the african-american museum going to be opening up today, but people said, okay, i can kind of see him in that role. for donald trump then, avoid getting angry. and look cool and rested. but he's had a busy campaign schedule. does that part hurt him? >> sure. all these people are exhausted. both of them are. but, you know, trump has great resiliency. he's shown it again and again. so i think he can do it. he can't look too blelligerent and cannot look rattled. he has to be in command. he has to be confident. i think he can probably do that. he did it in his debates. but he's got to do it. if he looks rattled and unstable, he's finished. >> all right. we'll watch her very closely. evan thomas, presidential historian. thank you very much, evan. >> thanks, neil. we were showing you cutting away to some of the shots going on in washington right now. the opening ceremony museum of african-american history and culture. you've got the obamas there, the

bushes are there, the clintons are there, and kevin clark is there. so it's a party. kevin, we're told this is not a political event. that's why donald trump i think was not invited. hillary clinton is there in her role as former first lady, not as secretary of state. so they don't want politics to enter, right? >> no, you're right on the money. and listen, neil, by the way welcome back. my first chance to welcome you back personally. >> thank you. >> this is an interesting opportunity. but clearly this is a celebration. and they wanted to sort of avoid any possible conflict that might arise from something that might be construed as political. which is why you're also i think well to point out that president bush is here, the bushes and obamas very, very close friends. and obviously the clintons are here as well. and as you pointed out the former first lady is here in that capacity rather than as a political leader, someone running for the highest office in the land. but it's a wonderful day to be here to celebrate american history. and broadly speaking this really

is about the american journey, the imperfect american journey. but obviously an important american journey. and this building really is considered the most interactive, neil, of all the smithsonians. some 36,000 individual artifacts in 400,000 square feet of living history right at your fingertips. >> the african-american experience is the quintessential american experience. it is the experience that helped us understand our notions of optimism, our notions of liberty, our notions of citizenship. we realize this is a story for us all, not just one community. >> that's the key. not just one community. and i want to encourage everyone who sees this report or has an opportunity to come here to washington to take a part and experience this because this really is the quintessential american story, neil. >> it looks impressive just from the outside.

i remember being down there a number of times as it was going up. it is a huge structure. kevin corke, thank you very much. and when the president speaks, of course we'll take you to that. whether he refers to any of the incidents going on in charlotte now, i have no idea. but he could. and this might be an occasion to do just that. we'll keep you posted. in the meantime, london's mayor calling these terror attacks part and parcel of big city life. nigel farage on what he makes of that after this. ♪ music for your retirement, you wanted to celebrate the little things, before they get too big. and that is why you invest. the best returns aren't just measured in dollars. td ameritrade.

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all right. london mayor recently said the terror attacks are part and parcel now for big cities. former uk party leader nigel farage says that kind of thinking is a mistake. in other words what he's saying, nigel, is that you got to deal with it. it's life in big cities. what did you make of that and the message it sends? >> well, i think it was a bit of a trend here because just two days after that horrendous

attack that took place in nice back on july 14th, two days after was the french prime minister said this is a part of life in modern day france. so says it in nice, khan says it applies to big cities. i mean, you may as well just put up the white flag of surrender to say, you know, we're just going to normalize terrorism. what makes me really annoyed is it's the very same political class who have whenever anybody has questioned open door immigration, whenever anybody says, look, surely we should security check people, we should make sure that newcomers into our country agree with our values gets condemned. what i'd like to see from the french prime minister and from khan before they say anything is an apology for what their policies and their ideas have done to all of us. >> but, nigel, this does seem to be a growing sentiment among

political leaders who say we acknowledge terror and the threat but don't make too big a deal of it. john kerry, our secretary of state recently saying he wished the media wouldn't constantly cover it, words to that effect. we've even, you know, heard those on the other side of the aisle including first homeland security secretary saying more people are killed in car crashes than what happened with terrorists. all true. but i think they minimize the threat when they minimize the numbers and compare them to other numbers. what do you think? >> well, that's right. and, i mean, bill de blasio, he's still in denial it seems to me about what happened in new york last week. every time we get one of these horrendous incidents, more in europe than america, but wherever they take place, immediately the same clique of people rush to say of course it's got nothing to do with terror, certainly got nothing to do with religion. this is just kind of get on with

it, guys, this is part of our everyday life. and they're in denial. they cannot admit to the people the extent of their failure. and they don't want to have an open, honest debate about how we deal with this. >> all right. an open, honest debate, donald trump says, would be to recognize a war on terror, an actual war. he said if he became president he'd get a plan from his top generals within 30 days to take out isis once and for all. is that even possible now given the fact isis and these other terror groups seem so widespread they almost don't need a homeland. they're everywhere. >> yeah, i think -- i mean, look, the fact that trump, you know, is talking about borders, is talking about security, is saying that the u.s. government has a responsibility to its own citizens, all of that is absolutely right. and i think may well win him this presidential election. but when it comes to taking out isis, that's not so simple. you know, there isn't just sort of one command center.

in fact, in many ways isis is a little bit like the multiheaded hydra, lots of little bits of isis all over the place. i am yet to behat there is a military means to simply take out isis unless we're prepared to accept that we worked with middle eastern and north african governments and fight a campaign that may last for ten or 20 years. campaign that may last for 10 or 20 years, but we can't do it. america and britain on their own cannot do this without possibly stoking up more young generations it move toward the isis cause. we have to get those countries and those armies involved as well. >> there's still some debate, we are speaking north of seattle, washington attack that involved five deaths, the gentleman behind that, told of hispanic descent, people bending over backwards not to say middle

eastern descent. they may be proven right, i have no idea, but there's a real reluctance to attach anything that looks like this could be something bigger than it first appears. i understand that. you don't want to jump to conclusions. don't call it a terrorist event. >> yeah. you know, this is denial and we see a political class in denial. we see quite a lot of sections of the liberal media equally in denial, and of course what they fear is if they admit the truth and admit their failings that trump will get even stronger in this campaign, so whatever happens now to november the 8th, expect these people to go on denying, and hillary top of the tree for that. >> we shall see. probably will come up once or twice in the debate. nigel, thank you very much. we told you about the mall

shooting 35 miles north of seattle. five people killed allegedly by this man. he is identified as a hispanic man. authorities say he is still on the loose, whoever he is, whatever his ethnic background, they're going to be talking to reporters momentarily after this. everyday millions of women worldwide trust tena with their bladder matters. thanks to its triple protections from leaks, odor and moisture. tena lets you be you ♪

taking you to mount vernon, washington, waiting for details on a mall shooting north of seattle out of macy's. the gunman shot five people indiscriminately. we are told he is of hispanic origin, although i don't know how people came to that conclusion. could have been from witnesses at the scene. hard to say. authorities will say, share what

they know because he is on the loose, don't know who he is, let alone where he is. when they get an update and tell us what's going on, we'll pass it along. meanwhile, probably heard the story how mark cuban, dallas mavericks owner, billionaire got a front row seat as a guest of hillary clinton at monday's debate at hofstra, university. they hand a certain number of these out, each campaign. and we are looking into that. how does that work, carolyn. how many sit in the audience, who decides what and where? >> about 1100 tickets released. can get 5,000, but are going with 1100. the commission on presidential debates are the ones that make the decision. the campaign gets to invite some people, media members are also chosen, sponsors in there, and the hofstra students. they had to enter a lottery, more than 7500 students signed

up. they'll get several hundred of the total since they're the host. >> the school obviously and the debate officials have to be careful, you know, with a raucous crowd, one shows favoritism for one or the other candidate, and i know there are rules for that. this is blatant, mark cuban, big trump critic to be nothing more than agitator or to psych out donald trump. is his team allowed to have the same for hillary clinton? >> you can put whomever you want if you're in the campaign there, they're not allowed to heck he will or talk, but just the physical presence of mark cuban might rattle trump. he is a mavericks owner, one of his most outspoken critics, called trump the best liar god ever made. trump called him a loser and poorer than me in return. we expect trump's family to be there, clinton family members, but the rules are stay quiet throughout the entire 90 minutes. >> i imagine the lights will be

sobrie bright, you and i know y can't make out who is in the audience. having said that, each candidate has its own debate preparation. evan thomas, presidential historian, says there was penalty paid for richard nixon in 1960 who was campaigning up through the debate. so is donald trump really. i am wondering if that hurts him. >> it could if you overprepare or underprepare. also debating a woman is a different style. bill de blasio came up on hillary clinton, then lost the debate. >> right. >> excuse me, and looked like he was sort of intimidating her. you remember gore walking up on bush looking like he was trying to do the same. you can go wrong, even your body movement, not even to say the things you say, the speeches, you need to know the details but also have to present yourself

well. >> great stuff. thank you very much. lee carter here, to help us sort this out. lee, that's more people than i thought. what do you make of that? >> i think the trends now, we have been saying it has been breaking towards donald trump, but i think what we are seeing the last three days, hillary is performing again. what's going to happen at the debate is critical. when you see donald trump debate in sound bites, hillary will debate detailed policy. what will resonate is -- i think what's happening is her attacks, 17 pages of attacks out there, they're starting to drip in. there's so much that's fluid right now and seeing such shifts in momentum day to day. totally different race than we've seen before. >> just something i noticed, my insight from a guy reading the

prompter for a living, so i think it is credible, national polls show hillary clinton widening, not across the board but this merits one that shows she's built up a six point lead. but yet in state polls, battleground state polls, donald trump is not only closing the gap, in a lot reversed and picked up four or five battleground states and narrowed another. is it possible, way too early to say, someone could win the popular vote and someone winning the electoral vote? >> yes. >> really? i made that up on the spot. no, i am kidding. >> anything is possible. right now when we are seeing this is a game of moments. whoever has the last question over their head could be the one in inches ends up losing or winning just because of a

mistake somebody made in the last minute because we're seeing things to be so fluid, seeing states used to traditionally go democrat go republican and vice versa, seeing florida which hillary thought would be hers leaning toward trump. seeing iowa go toward trump. we're seeing a lot of things you wouldn't expect to go to trump go to trump. on the other hand, hillary is picking up states you wouldn't expect her to pick up. it is so fluid. when you look at the polls, it is changing. you look at the trends, it is changing day by day. what i look for in polls is momentum to understand where energy is going to and away from. then watch the candidates and see the crowds and the energy behind them and see who seems to be having fun. the other thing that's really important is who is acting and who is reacting. hillary clinton is running the campaign reactive to donald trump. romney tried that strategy as well, voting against obama.

people don't necessarily vote against, they vote for. hillary clinton has to give people solid reason to vote for her if she is going to win. that's why the debate is critical. this isn't do you hate donald trump, afraid of donald trump. if i vote for you, hillary clinton, what does that mean? what does a hillary clinton presidential look like for me, the american voter, in a way i can understand, break it down and share with other people. she hasn't laid out that vision for us yet. >> i don't think it comes down to who is comfortable in their own shoes, who could i picture in the oval office. ronald reagan met that when he was debating jimmy carter in 1980. obviously john kennedy when he was debating richard nixon, sitting vice president in 1960. donald trump has to convince people be comfortable with me, all the stuff you heard about me, i am not a fire throwing nut. he effectively did that throughout the primary season and beat some of the best republicans out there. very different i know in this

type of format where it is only he and hillary clinton but how does he as essentially the challenger here to the incumbent party in the white house, how does he have to do that? >> that's a really good question. monday night we have to see 90 minutes of a sane, reasonable donald trump. at the same time, we have to see 90 minutes of a hillary clinton we can like and relate to, that we want to watch the next four years on our television constantly. i don't know which is harder. i think frankly it is really hard for hillary clinton to present herself for a long time where people are finding her relevant, resonant, someone they want to spend time with and listen to. she's got to be calm, has to be soothing but can't be too calm. it is a really hard job for her. it is not natural for her. >> that stupid analogy, can i picture having a beer with him, as if you have a shot as having a beer with the president of the united states. >> i think it is a fair point. i think the bottom line, the

question is who do you want to spend time with? who do you think would be energetic, interesting to be around, and remind you of somebody that you would trust. the thing i would think is is this somebody you could imagine being the uncle or aunt you would go to for advice, the person you would trust, the person you like being around. when i hear analogies, heard many say this, it is a horrible thing, they say when i look at hillary clinton speaking, it reminds me of my ex-wife, reminds me of my stepmother, reminds me of people i don't necessarily like and that's a horrible thing to have hanging over your head. >> donald trump, the loud uncle. all right. >> who would you rather be around? >> i don't know, we will see. lee, thank you very much. >> any time. then there's the issue of the inner cabinet makes a mistake, is it where the moderator will correct them? this one stood in there. one got a lot of people's

attention, andrea mitchell saying trump's nomination is awful. now i guess we shouldn't be too shocked. that's andrea mitchell clearly giving a dim view of one donald trump. i am sure she's not alone, hers was leaked in powell e-mails that are all the rage as people pour over them, but she covers that campaign, covers the candidates and has pretty much let it be known how she feels. i often think of that. they pile on us fox guys, but having said that, what do you make of that? >> be still my heart at the revelation. my goodness. is anybody surprised? here's something interesting. you know this. when you're interviewing someone of a stature of colin powell about something as significant as are you going to turn on

donald trump, she's trying to get that interview, what's going to always -- not always happen, but the thing that might happen is the person you're trying to interview slips and says something. it is very, very, very rare that the reporter slips and let's go of his or her biases, and she did that. now are we surprised? just two weeks before she was doing -- she was in a press conference with hillary clinton on the tarmac of the airport and she lobbed her a softball question. hillary's answer was, and i quote, i love you andrea, she went on to say you're my kind of woman. this is a love fest going on between the press and hillary clinton and all you saw in the e-mail was evidence of that. >> when i hear that moderators are held to task for not challenging donald trump more and not necessarily hillary clinton more, when i see what

happened to matt lauer because he interrupted her on e-mail, one on another network saying people are sick and tired of e-mail questions of hillary clinton. i'm thinking you have a built in bias right there. so i'm fine with madresors interrupting both candidates but not one at the expense of the other. yet the media obviously took him to task for doing that with just one candidate, even though he did it with another candidate. that's still some pressure there. >> sure. the media has no credibility in this issue, in attacking matt lauer for being the first to ask something of substance of hillary clinton when they have been savaging donald trump, andrea mitchell, since he showed up on the national scene. these are facts, it is not bias on my part, this is fact. a reporter can do one of two things, moderator can do one of two things. if he or she will be tough, be tough on both sides or don't be tough on either side.

>> don't correct it. i want to show reactions. you chatted about it before. the famous moment where she interrupted and weighed in on something in the last debate. take a look. >> because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in benghazi an act of terror. >> get the transcript. >> he did in fact first. let me call it an act of terror. >> all right. turns up that candy was wrong on that, that she was conflating two separate events. you could see mitt romney was shell shocked. should it be incumbent on the moderator, partial to one candidate or the other to weigh in and factually correct them, do the pinocchio thing or let the other candidate challenge him? >> never. if you're going to be the one debating, then yes. if you're the moderator, no. think about who many people think was the gold standard of

that role as moderator, the late tim russert. if you remember watching him on "meet the press," he rarely ever inserted himself into a debate. he would have two sides, he would ask a question, he would sit back and let them do the debating, which is why he was so good. this candy crowley moment is going to be down as a what not to do when moderating a debate. >> yet there's pressure on moderate ors to interrupt one candidate, not the other candidate. i wonder if it is a fraternity, all in a fraternity here where you don't want to look like you're not a cool kid in the class. i was never a cool kid in class. >> which is what i mean. >> it is subtle but not subtle. >> it is why trust in the media is at an all time low, why it dropped 25% in the last year alone. the public is seeing it.

the public is seeing how the media have inserted themselves completely in a mission to defeat donald trump and elect hillary clinton. i am saying that again objectively. this is not a slant on my part. all the evidence shows it, doesn't point to it, shows it. >> you have to bend over backwards not to even get people a hint of it. thank you very much. good to see you. we are following this press conference that has started north of seattle here. they still cannot find this guy who is apparently behind five shootings and killings last night at a mall. so he is on the loose. but they are sharing what at least they know at this point. let's listen in. >> about ten minutes later entered macy's with a rifle.

fired multiple times, struck again four females ranging in age from a teenager to a senior. also a male was struck. and all four of those were mortally wounded. currently our role out there, what we're working on is basically reconstructing the entire scene, and what that involves is photographing, videoing, forensic scanning, evidence collection, including latent prints, dna, anything we can do to put the scene back together. we also have a team of detectives that are pursuing tips and leads that are coming in and i believe after or during this conference will be providing some screen captures from security footage we recovered with the best available shots of the suspect we could recover at this time, so you'll be getting that.

we are hoping what that will do is open up more leads and tips from the community that we can apprehend this individual. thank you. >> good morning. my name is haleigh thompson, i am the county coroner. my role in this is we are involved in determining cause or manner of death, in addition to confirming identification of victims. at that point in time i have not gained entrance into the scene, they're still processing. until that contact is made for me to enter in, i have not seen any of the victims or had a chance to get any information yet. the plan is, once i gain access into the scene i will do my part in processing and transporting those individuals to the hospital where an autopsy will take place.

i have a pathologist on call who is going to start that process as soon as we have the go ahead and have the individuals with us. i will not be able to release any information on victims until the autopsy is complete. we need to confirm their identification, there's a lot of people in the mall, and we just can't rule out anything. i hope to have some information for you as soon as that is completed and we confirmed that but at this time i'm just waiting for my initial response to the scene. thank you. >> all right. we are continuing to monitor events north of seattle, about 35 miles north of seattle at a mall at ama macy's, shooter too out five people indiscriminately, he didn't know the victims. they describe him only as a hispanic looking man. i don't know, we got into the conference a little late, i don't know how they discerned, could be witnesses on the scene. bottom line, he is on the loose,

they haven't found him. we will keep you posted. sheriff david clark with us. we have this incident, a week ago shootings in minnesota, before that shooter was taken out, new york area related attacks and the on-going disturbances in charlotte. nondirectly linked, want to stress that, but you have a lot of scared americans now. what did you tell them? >> here's what i tell them, be prepared to defend yourself, the police can't be everywhere, we are not omni present in america, that's not what we want, we're not a police state. if you look at what happened in minneapolis in the mall and in minnesota, there was an off duty law enforcement there who was armed that was able to take quick action and limit. you're not going to limit things, but you can limit carnage. every one of these places are chosen for one reason, because they're gun free zones and these perpetrators, criminals, terrorists know they'll be able to shed a lot of blood before the situation is stopped.

so it is high time in america now for people to wake up, get out of this naive view that the police will be able to protect everybody all the time and realize you play a role. i run psa, personal safety ads in milwaukee county reminding citizens they're the front line in their security. we're really the backup. we come after most of the time after these things happen. you look at the situation in georgia that went viral where three armed men broke into somebody's house and was a woman who defended herself, shot and killed one of these bastards and the other two fled. this is the world we live in now. you're right they're scared, but being scared is not enough. you can hide under the bed or you can fight back. the more the individuals realize, perpetrators that somebody can quickly counter their nonsense, you'll see less of it. nothing else, be able to play a role in saving your own life. >> sheriff, law and order and

these issues are front and center. donald trump said it is time to get tough and support law enforcement, then you see developments in charlotte, tulsa. hillary clinton and others say it gives you pause. how do you reassure people that getting tough means getting tough and fair with everybody. >> first of all, we have to get more patriot law abiding americans involved. that's the way policing was meant to work, cooperative between citizenry, law abiding citizenry and the police to fight crime. again, they have to play a role. it is not for everybody, i get that. but there are certain people in the united states, former military, former law enforcement officers, current military, current law enforcement officers that can play a role on behalf of the people that don't feel comfortable doing this sort of thing, but what's going on in charlotte and other areas is attacks on cops, neil. this is attack on the rule of

law. this is a funded effort. this is not about protest, or inequality or any of those things. this is george soros funded assault on american, traditional american values. >> seriously, i don't know in the beginning first night whether that was george soros inspired, i don't know what happened. a lot of people are seizing on this, saying whatever you think of what happened, whether there was a gun involved in the shooting that prompted all of this, that the charlotte police are holding back and giving mixed signals. that's why rioting has ensued. where do you draw the line between the people's right to protest and the people's right in that area to go about their daily lives. i had jesse jackson here the other day said he could understand the violence and looting, he could understand

that. that's part of their right. >> that's not part of their right. here is where i draw the line, neil. when rocks and bottles, first rock, first brick, first bottle thrown as a law enforcement officer, all bets are off, then all reasonable force, i didn't say any force, all reasonable force has to be used to maintain law and order, the order of the community, the protection of businesses, and the safety of the law enforcement officers on the scene, and it has to be assertive. look, we know how to do this. but these cops on the front line in fairness, not being critical of them, i am critical of orders above to hold the line so to speak as they're getting pelted with bricks and rocks. i heard 16 law enforcement officers have been injured, probably other innocent citizens were injured, too. that's beyond protesting in america. dr. martin luther king knew how to do it. he didn't bring people that had

bricks and rocks and stoning of the police and looting of businesses and rioting. he didn't do it. and he made more social change doing it his way, the way all americans got behind him, after seeing king, said yeah, we have to do something here, peaceful protest. the entire country got behind king to effect social change. the entire country now are against this crap going on now. >> sheriff, thank you very, very much. on a busy news day, appreciate you taking the time. >> thank you, neil. the museum opening, a new one on america's national mall now and it has a who's who crowd, stevie wonder, president bush, laura bush, the president of the united states speaking soon, all to commemorate the newest one of the large e smithsonian museums on the national mall in honor of african americans and the african-american movement. we will take you there after this. >> remind us that we can come together.

is it me or did the staff pick the most hideous picture for this promo. everything revolves around me. let's talk about this debate that will have me covering it. among the subjects, prosperity.

depends if you think things are better or going to hell in a hand basket. to begin with, obviously hillary clinton will say we're not off to the races but we're certainly off the mat. donald trump, i don't know what you're talking about, right? >> i think so, that's exactly what you'll hear and the numbers back her up. you look at the donald trump plan, you look at the committee for responsible budget to praise his plan saying it adds 5 trillion to debt, she will add 200 billion, not like she isn't spending anything, but you have a conservative wanting to double infrastructure spending she's putting out there. there are appraisals that say he will lose over 3 million jobs, even though he stands out there, says he will add 25 million, and get a 4% growth, which we haven't had since there was a democrat in the white house named bill clinton.

>> put you as a maybe on trump. donald trump outline with your guidance and help, a detailed tax plan. a lot of people say it willie race the deficit going forward and he has not shown how he is going to get our debt under control. >> we are focused on growth, growth, growth, how to get jobs back in this country. neil, every poll the last two to three years, two out of three americans think the economy is going in the wrong direction, not the right direction. i have been saying i am looking at the numbers. tax plan, energy plan, health care plan, we can get five years of 4% growth. that's a pretty good number. >> i want to make sure, 4% growth, that would be double

what we average. >> that's right. >> that brings a lot of revenue into washington. >> one other quick thing, neil. i heard you reporting on this yesterday, the latest out of hillary clinton, she doesn't have much of an economic plan at all. her latest plan is to raise the death tax in the united states to 65%. that's a horrid idea. that would take two-thirds of someone's lifetime earnings. >> that's only trump that will get hurt. >> should the government take two-thirds of everything you earned over your i don't think many americans agree with that. >> let me step back, get a sense. for neither candidate do i see much zeal to get entitlements or general spending under control, they talk around it, but i don't see any specifics to deal with it, and we keep growing this debt and growing the debt. i know i am a numbers nerd,

accounting geek, these are the same people didn't want to go on dates in high school because i was a nerd and geek. >> don't say that. >> we are never, ever willing to be honest with the american people and say here's how much money we have and here's how much we're spending. >> neil, i'm with you on that. i wish both candidates would address entitlement spending and neither of them have. i think the issue is the latest tv ads, battleground tracking poll. 55% of americans in battleground states they want big changes in terms of the economy and in politics and hillary clinton represents status quo. let's take a specific issue like energy exploration. hillary clinton opposes the keystone pipeline. she recently said she would roll back efforts on fracking. she wants to destroy the coal industry. those are opportunities lost. you look at something like fracking that donald trump addressed just the other day in pittsburgh, it added 1.4 million jobs to the economy. $190 billion to the gdp

according to "the wall street journal." tens of billions of dollars in reduced energy costs to americans, and all of that could be detrimental if hillary clinton wants to take away those opportunities. we have seen that under president obama and a president that has taken away so much federal land from energy exploration. what americans want and desire is increased opportunity. >> talk about that. it bothers me on a level that i know the death tax and estate taxes effect a few, even though she did lower the amount -- >> which i disagreed with. >> just saying. over the next ten years, she's adding more than $1.5 trillion in taxes. whether or not that reduces overall debt or controls it, i find that hard to believe. just saying a great creativity to come up with ways to get more money, none to save it. >> democrats like to raise

taxes, no one kidding themselves. >> why do they like to raise taxes. >> get the revenue to invest back in education. >> kids are dumber than they've ever been. what's the deal. you would think doing the same thing yielding the same results is something that would grant you an f in class. >> if you follow bill clinton's economic plan, i repeat, where we got 4% growth, he did exactly that. it started with bill clinton. >> she's repeating everything, you can't go that analogy, she's refuting everything he did. >> bill clinton had a strong program of investing in our country. >> i can go back in time, too, talk ronald reagan. >> the problem, neil, is if hillary were adopting bill clinton's platform, i would agree with a lot of it.

you know who she's sounding a lot like? bernie sanders. that's where she got this idea of all of these tax increases. i don't think rational economists think raising taxes by a trillion dollars will help the economy. we will cut business tax for every business in america to 15%. that's a jobs game. no question. >> they're going to paint donald trump as a friend of the rich, paint her as a big spender. i wonder how each defends their respective position, who is better at that. >> ironically donald trump is doing really well with hard working middle class families than you've seen the middle class in the country have shrunk. look at manufacturing has shrunk, specifically in pennsylvania, battleground state trump was in just the other day, they've seen 35% decrease to manufacturing since 2001, i believe. i think that's an issue here,

that donald trump has been seen from working class families, blue collar families as a friend to them, someone that recognizes their woes and problems. specifically look at the coal industry. hillary clinton has coal workers in america she wants to put them out of business. >> play the whole clip before you do that. >> and president obama has made similar comments as well. they're not a friend to working class families in this country. >> can i quickly add about all of the conservatives, including two on the panel, leaving you out, you can hear me, people are anti-free trade, not for entitlement reform. donald trump moved your party into a complete -- >> didn't i just say that -- >> you love free trade. i know you do. >> so what's going on here? >> we saved a lot of time talking over one another. otherwise we would never get this in. guys, appreciate it. meanwhile, there's a real

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what out of wall street and the market tanks. what do you think? >> the market does poorly in the first year of a new president, that's been true for decades. whether hillary or donald wins, expect next year will be as they say euphemistically, a challenging year. how the markets react depends tomorrow starting with the debate and what they emphasize. hillary clinton is talking about 45% capital gains tax, something we haven't seen since the 1970s, a terrible decade. 65% death tax, that will tank the economy and the stock market. if donald trump focuses on tax cuts and deregulation rather than having a trade war, i think she would hurt the market more than he would. >> hard to tell first year of a new administration, many argue the market be given a run up as nowhere to go but down, i don't know where you stand on that,

but the anxiety of the unknown, you reminded me over the decades we've known each other, markets have borne uncertainty, this is an election with a lot of uncertainty. on that alone they'll be on pins and needles. what do you think? >> yes. that's where it's going to depend after the election, say donald trump wins, what people does he appoint to the cabinet, what people does he bring to the white house, what issues does he lead with when he takes oath of office. progrowth issues like the tax plan, i think the markets may give us a pleasant surprise. one reason the markets are levitating now is that profits aren't there. profits haven't grown for over two years. we need something to get the economy moving again or the market can't keep moving up. >> i always hear this from liberals that what propelled this market is the federal reserve. you're not being fair to this president. you add near zero percent interest rates, if you can't

make money in that environment, with stocks, there's something wrong. that can't go on forever. let's say the fed does resume hiking interest rates, maybe at a regular pace, maybe irregular pace. but zero days are over. play that out. >> one reason you've seen the market do as well as it has is because of ultra low interest rates suppressed by the fed that's allowed pe ratios to go up by default. >> price earning ratios, key gauge for stocks. >> yes, makes stocks look a better buy than bonds at 5 or 10%. what the fed has done inadvertently with zero interest rates, they hurt lending to small and new businesses which are job creators in the economy, which is why we have a lousy labor market, low labor force participation rates. if the federal reserve gets out of the business of manipulating

the economy in the market, that's a good thing long term. combine that with serious tax cuts which donald trump is proposing, next couple years could be pleasant two years from now for the stock market. if she gets in, hillary clinton gets in and goes with massive increase in capital gains, remember, neil, in the 1970s, the market had a terrible time in real terms, down 50% when you have high capital gains tax rates and raising the death tax, that destroys capital as well, wants to raise numerous other taxes. increases on that scale -- >> barack obama, as much as people went to the market, okay, you could be right. i wanted to get your thoughts on something of donald trump, this bothers a lot of conservatives. his trade potential war policies. said he will go for shipping a lot of manufacturing jobs to make small cars in mexico, he is going to slap a tax on them, a

tariff. governments don't pay the tariffs, of course, we do. so does that concern you? >> yes, it does. the thing to keep in mind about a tariff, it is another word for tax. you hear talk of 45% tariff, that's a 45% sales tax at walmart, not a good thing. i hope trump if he wins and this administration use are tools we already have in hand. we have tools to deal with serious violations of trade agreements. this administration, obama administration has not used those tools very much effectively. >> should he punish american manufacturers that go abroad and make their product? that's what he is punishing. >> no. that's what ford is proposing is not violation of any trade rule. ford cannot make money making small cars in this country. no other manufacturer can either. if he wants to put a tax on, then he has to do one of two things. he has to do it, make small cars

absolutely unaffordable in this country or subsidize ford and other manufacturers like chrysler to make small, unprofitable cars in this country. you have to walk these things through and where the motor companies make money is on suvs and trucks. the other ones they lose money on. >> that's a lot of companies besides ford that are doing just that. watch closely, steve forbes, thank you very, very much. >> thank you, neil. all right. why would you be in a rush in the united states government without being cynical, they can be like department of motor vehicles, depending where you live, could take awhile. why when it came to swearing in citizens, folks that didn't have all of their paperwork together, why do that? what's behind that? and furthermore, to do it before the election, what could that be about? after this. who are you? i'm vern, the orange money retirement rabbit from voya. orange money represents the money you put away for retirement. over time, your money could multiply.

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department of motor vehicles. in new jersey where i reside, you need seven forms of id. and if you have just six, you have to scoot down the bench. they're not going to take you. let's just say it seals an impression some, not all have, when it comes to the government, there's no big rush, period, for anything, except when it comes to making citizens, those that have not completed their paperwork, homeland security with a lot of explaining to do that hundreds of such applications were rushed before the election with imploring e-mails saying let's get this done. before the election. why would that be? s cynics say maybe for new votes. scott brown, what he reads into this, it is weird, senator, we're not getting a lot of clarity on this. all i know is when it came to conservative groups trying to get tax exempt status some years

back, there was no big rush for government to do that, particularly with the irs. this case, big old rush. what's going on? >> neil, you know what's going on, so do the american people, they know what's going on. you have a situation where once again the federal government is facilitating helping i think a particular party gain an advantage before election. the fact that i know and you know when the government wants to do something, they can do it very quickly, when they want to stop things, they can also do that very effectively. in this instance it is clear what's happening. when i was listening to it, i picture someone in a back room. oh, you're from syria, don't know who you are, you're approved. you're from afghanistan? you're approved. it is ridiculous and dangerous to our national security. >> do you buy the argument that some of that is a way to seek votes because they come back and say wait a minute, few hundred people are not going to turn the tide of an election. you say what? >> listen, i say a few hundred

votes is a few hundred votes, is it going to effect the national election, no, but goes to a mentality that there are two sets of rules, one for the government and one for everybody else, when you and yours are in new jersey waiting in line, i have been in that situation, and everybody else watching has, too, and you don't have the right documentation, see you later, come back. go all the way home to get it. in this instance, haven't filled out the forms correctly, don't have the identification, come on in, we will take care of you. it is just the beginning, and systemic to the fact that president obama is circumventing rules in place now, and also moving people ahead like three and a half million people if my memory serves me following the law, in line now, and once again pushed to the back of the line, and that's not right. >> i get nervous, scott, when i'm in there and they have cnn in the background. let me get a better sense of how we are checking on the refugees.

we are getting all of this stuff the same week it is revealed better than 800 slipped through the system under our conventional immigration process and got clearance and became united states citizens without all of the paperwork. gives me pause when they say they go to exhaustive means to get these folks checked out that this happens. >> listen, neil, don't believe it. whoever did it, whoever let that so-called 800 people who are going to be deported are all of a sudden citizens, entitled to all the rights and privileges of citizens, legal question, i would love to hear judge napolitano talk about it, can you then strip citizenship because it was granted by a mistake? >> i am not a lawyer, i am told you can't. >> of course, here we go. we have people that were going to be deported, hadn't followed the rules, may be bad actors, now u.s. citizens.

so they're ultimately going to go through -- have you heard of anybody fired for this mistake? of course not. it is another way to screw the american people and give others who are not following the law going ahead once again, three and a half are in line waiting to do the right thing. people shake their head, that's why they want change in washington. that's why this election is coming out as it is. >> let me ask you a little about the debate. cruz is now belatedly deciding to back donald trump and then the revelations that hillary clinton has of all people mark cuban in the front row, maybe to psych out donald trump. the pressure is building on some silly levels, but what do you make of this right before the big debate. >> i will be at the debate for fox, i will be on your show, looking forward to that. i think dick morris should be next to mark cuban to be looking up at hillary.

i am hopeful that donald trump ignores mark cuban. i know mark cuban, he is a successful, intelligent guy, clearly has a person he is going to support. >> do you think they should put someone in the front row, seriously, someone who would really get his goat or her goat? >> yeah, you know, it would be -- i have been in 21 races, neil, done some pretty big debates. the democrats did the same, put the haters in the front row, and it emboldened me. i am sure it will embolden trump to say regardless of what you're going to try to do to me, i am going to win this debate. >> the lights are so bright. >> no, you can see, depending on lighting, you can usually see the front row. that's usually where family is located.

>> thank you, senator. they're dedicating the african-american museum. looking at the guest list, looking at the shots, this is a who's who crowd. >> no kidding. we were just serenaded by patty labelle, heard from stevie wonder, will smith, oprah winfrey, a cast of luminaries as well as politics. we heard george w. bush and laura bush, chief justice of the supreme court of the united states, john roberts among those able to speak today on this momentous occasion of american history. this is an american story. we await the appearance of the president of the united states. i see he is still not taking the

stage. when he does, we will have that for you. >> do we know whether he is going to speak on developments in charlotte or timing or is he keeping that out of it? >> i am going to guess and say he won't address that. based on what we have seen in the past, he will make a passing mention. we won't specifically address it, i would be shocked if he sh didn't at least make a passing comment that we continue to have struggles all over this country, whether it's in law enforcement communities, coming together, or being pulled apart, quite frankly. he will probably say something about that. but as far as his prepared remarks are concerned, i think he's got about ten minutes or so. but you know how the president is. he'll get up here and get a

little loose, probably go 15 to 20 minutes. >> i think the over and under, you're right on that. kevin, for people who missed it, this does not seem to be a political event. hillary clinton is there, but as a former first lady, which they say is why donald trump was not invited. >> reporter: i have not seen the clinton family. i know that on the schedule, they mentioned the bush family would be here. obviously the first lady and the president would be here. but i didn't see the clintons mentioned. again, that's not to say they weren't invited. they have been a very important part, i think, african-americans across this country would tell you they've been an important part of this community. but because of the political angle, and the perception, i've not seen them here on the stage. i'm not certain if they're here in the crowd or not. perhaps she's still doing debate prep. but i should point out that hillary clinton's name was mentioned, neil, as sort of a castoff as patty labelle is wrapping up her beautiful song

here today. >> much is made of politics in this environment, and they want to keep that out. has it come up? >> reporter: i have not noticed anyone really specifically mention that. although i think as we get deeper into the program, there's a pretty good chance someone will mention the fact that this is, as you've heard, people have said on a number of occasions, the most consequential election in your lifetime. might it get political? it's possible. should it get political? probably not. i think this is not the forum for that. i think this is really a forum to celebrate the magnificent opening of an important building, and an american story that includes the african-american community and the broader community as a whole. with that said, you never know in an election year, my friend. i'll be watching and listening very carefully as the comments continue to roll in. >> we're moments away from hearing from the president. this has been a crazy week for politics. i think as i'm watching the obamas sitting next to the bushes, diametrically opposed on

politics, they've become good friends. if donald trump were to become president, i have a hard time picturing those two, the obamas sitting with the trumps if that were the case. it's tough to do. >> reporter: you can only imagine. hey, neil, i've just heard that the president is on his way up to the stage. i'll step aside, my friend. >> thank you very much. now the dedication, formally, the president of the united states to this latest to the smithsonian institution. >> thank you. thank you! james baldwin once wrote, for while the tale of how we suffer

and how we are delighted and how we make triumph is never new, it always must be heard. while the tale of how we suffer and how we are delighted and how we may true um of is never new, it always must be heard. today, as so many generations have before, we gather on our national mall to tell an essential part of our american story. one that has at times been overlooked. we come not just for today, but for all time. president and mrs. bush, president clinton, vice president and dr. biden, chief

justice roberts, secretary skorton, reverend butts, distinguished guests, thank you. thank you for your leadership and making sure this tale is told. we're here in part because of you, and because of all those americans, the civil war vets, the civil rights foot soldiers, the champions of this effort on capitol hill, who for more than a century kept the dream of this museum alive. it includes our leaders in congress, paul ryan, nancy pelosi, it includes one of my heroes, john lewis who as he has so often took the torch from those who came before him and brought it past the finish line.

it includes the philanthropists and benefactors, and advisory members who have so generously given not only their money, but their time. it includes the americans who offered up all the family keepsakes tucked away in grandma's attic. and of course, it includes a man without whose vision and passion and persistence we would not be here today, mr. lonnie bunch. [ applause ] what we can see of this building, the towering glass, the artistry of the metal work, is surely a sight to behold. but beyond the majesty of the building, what makes this occasion so special is the

larger story it contains. below this, this building reaches down 70 feet. its roots spreading far wider and deeper than any tree on this mall. and on its lowest level, after you walk past remnants of the slave ship, after you reflect on the mortal declaration that all men are created equal, you can see a block of stones. on top of the stone sits a historical marker weathered by the ages. and that marker reads, general andrew jackson and henry clay spoke from this slave block during the year 1830. i want you to think about this.

consider what this artifact tells us about history. about how it's told. and about what can be cast aside. on a stone where day after day, for years, men and women were torn from their spouse or their child, shackled, and bound, and bought, and sold, and bid like cattle, on a stone worn down by the tragedy of over 1,000 bare feet. for a long time the only thing we considered important, the