remember, the debate is at 9:00 p.m. eastern. newt gingrich, laura ingraham, rudy giuliani. so many others. tomorrow night right after the debate from hofstra. we hope you'll join us. this is must viewing. you don't want to miss this debate. we'll see you after the debate tomorrow night. from hofstra, say good-bye. keep in mind mitt romney traveled the campaign trail with the podium in hotel rooms. donald trump hasn't done that as far as we can see. what do we get tomorrow? we will see. >> see you tomorrow. i am chris wallace. charlotte police release video of the shooting of keith scott. and the first presidential debate is now just hours away as trump and clinton get ready to go head to head for the first time. on the eve of the ask republica mate indiana governor mike pence how trump is preparing for the biggest night so far of his political career. >> they say she's been practicing for the debate. some people think she's sleeping. >> as hillary clinton gets ready, speak with her chief

strategist about her game plan to take on trump. plus clinton and trump weigh in on race and policing after the latest shootings. >> it's unbearable and it needs to become intolerable. >> the rioting in our streets is a threat to all peaceful citizens. >> we'll ask the sunday panel how the shootings and violent protests will factor into the debate. and our power player of the week, the first african-american woman to run the biggest library. >> libraries are the original treasure chest because you never know what you'll find. >> all right now on fox news sunday. and hello again from fox news in washington. we'll get to the first presidential debate in a moment, but first breaking news in two stories. police have arrested a suspect in the deadly shooting of five people at a mall in washington state. he is 20-year-old arcan cetin,

an immigrant from turkey, a legal, permanent resident of the u.s. authorities say he was unarmed but, quote, zombie like. charlotte police released dash cam video of the shooting of keith scott that protesters and family made public. scott on the left side of the screen is backing away from his suv with his hands down. we freeze the video when four shots are heard. all sides are calling that video inconclusive. now to politics. with polls tightening ahead of tomorrow's first presidential debate, we have questions for both sides. we begin with the republican vice presidential nominee, indiana governor mike pence who joins us live from des moines, iowa. welcome back to fox news sunday.

>> thank you, chris, good to be back. >> let's start with breaking news on the debate story. after the clinton camp announced that it was inviting billionaire and trump critic mark cuban to sit in the front row at the debate, trump invited gennifer flowers who once had an affair with president clinton to also sit in the front row and she accepted that invitation. two questions, why did trump do that, and will gennifer flowers actually be there tomorrow night? >> look, hillary clinton apparently thinks this is an episode of "shark tank" but this is america, this is serious business. the american people have an enormously important choice to make, and that tweet was mocking, trying to distract attention away from this moment in our national life where the american people will see a strong contrast between the broad shouldered leadership of

donald trump who is prepared to rebuild our military, reduce taxes, repeal obamacare, stand by our constitution. >> if i may, sir, we have limited time. i want to ask you, will gennifer flowers be there? >> gennifer flowers will not be attending the debate tomorrow night and donald trump was using the tweet yesterday really to mock an effort by hillary clinton and her campaign to really distract attention from where the american people will be focused which is on the issues and choice we face. hillary clinton wants to continue the policies of this administration that weakened america's place in the world, stifled america's economy, walked away from our most cherished constitutional principles. i can't wait to see the debate tomorrow night. i just know that donald trump who is a leader who literally embodies the american spirit

will be able to present that message and choice to the american people. >> i have to ask you, because a "the wall street journal" poll will talk about at greater length later shows people's top concern about donald trump is one, his temperament, two, his language, especially toward women. why would trump even go down the road of bringing up gennifer flowers who once had an affair with a president? >> well, the question should be why was hillary clinton and her campaign inviting some celebrity basketball team owner to the debate to sit on the front row, someone who has mocked and ridiculed my running mate. >> do you see those two as equivalent, mark cuban and gennifer flowers? >> well, look, mark cuban has been out there saying some pretty tough stuff about my running mate. mark cuban knows about as much about national security as i do

about basketball. the truth is, donald trump has a unique way of communicating to the american people. i think his tweet yesterday was all about demonstrating here we have hillary clinton and her campaign couple days before debate of enormous importance in the life of our nation trying to distract attention, her campaign trying to play games with front row seats. donald trump is not about that. he is going to focus in the debate tomorrow night as he has throughout the election on the issues the american people care about. that's why you see the momentum in this campaign. here in iowa last night before an enormous crowd here i was in north carolina earlier this week in williamsburg, virginia, in the pouring rain. >> i want to try to get -- >> and that's why donald trump is on his way to the white house. >> i want to get so some questions. you want to talk issues, let's talk issues. one of them clearly in the first debate tomorrow night in the wake of the shooting in charlotte this last week will be

race and policing. after looking at the videos that were released by charlotte police last night, does donald trump and do you believe the police acted reasonably in the shooting of keith scott? >> well, i have seen the videos. i think at this point we need to let the investigation go forward. i was in north carolina yesterday and i think we should pray for the families of those that lost their lives in these police action shootings, both in north carolina and in oklahoma. we mourn with those who mourn and we'd do well to remember any loss of life is precious. the american people are entitled, people of charlotte are entitled to swift and immediate investigation that's transparent and be confident justice is served. they're entitled to peaceably assemble but not entitled -- at

the end of the day, we need to step away from efforts by hillary clinton and others to paint law enforcement in this country with the broad brush of racial bias. hillary clinton this week before all the facts were in in the wake of an african-american police officer involved in a police action shooting that cost the life of a citizen in charlotte referred to implicit bias in policing. donald trump and i don't believe law enforcement in this country is a force for racism or division. donald trump and i know what the american people know, that law enforcement in this country is a force for good. police officers, whether they be white or african-american or asian or hispanic or latino, police officers in this country are the best of us. they put their lives on the line for us every day. we just truly do believe let these investigations go forward, let the public be confident that

the facts will be presented, justice will be served, but let's set aside these efforts to demean law enforcement in this country with the broad brush of racism and move forward in a way that supports law enforcement. >> governor, here is one of trump's main solutions that he laid out this week to try to stop violence in our inner cities. here he is. >> i would do stop and frisk. i think you have to. we did it in new york, it worked incredibly well and you have to be proactive. >> but governor, in new york where trump says it was such a success, 80% of those stops, four and five, were stops of african americans or hispanics, and as a result, the federal judge ruled that stop and frisk policy was unconstitutional. >> well, i know there was one court decision in that regard but stop and frisk literally

saved lives in new york city when implemented, it has been implemented in cities around the country and it is on sound constitutional footing. it gives law enforcement officers to be able to stop and question individuals they think may be involved or about to be involved in criminal activity and donald trump specifically was talking about the crisis of criminality and murder in chicago. i mean, my parents were both born and raised in chicago. my grandfather came to chicago when he immigrated to this country, it is a great and beautiful city. but to see the avalanche of violence in that city, donald trump is the kind of leader to say let's take a policy that worked in new york city, that reduced violent crime in new york city in stop and frisk, bring it to chicago, illinois. that's the kind of leadership he will continue to provide. he is a man that you will find is impatient with failure and

about excuses from politicians. >> if i can, i am going to ask you about another form of donald trump's leadership in the wake of the new york bombing, another big topic monday night is likely to be how to protect the home land. here is what trump said about that. >> it's time to put firm immigration controls in place. extreme vetting, right? extreme vetting. >> but ahmad rahami came to this country as a child in 1995 and is a naturalized u.s. citizen, so how would extreme vetting have prevented rahami from the bombings that he allegedly committed? >> chris, last week there were several terrorist attacks. one in minnesota, knife wielding terrorist in this country legally under the color of the

law, injured nine people, thankfully no loss of life. we had mr. rahami involved in bombings in new jersey and new york city, and we don't know the motivation of the permanent legal resident in washington state. it took five american lives. but i think what you heard donald trump talking about was simply we need common sense back in our immigration policies in this country and we need to begin to recognize we're at war with radical islamic terrorism. hillary clinton won't even name radical islamic terrorism. donald trump has a plan, suspending immigration from territories and nations compromised by terrorism. hillary clinton wants to increase the refugee flow from syria by 550%. what donald trump was talking about in the wake of terrorist attacks a week ago is that we simply have to take a step back, we have to start doing things

differently, we have to start putting the safety and security of the american people first and that's precisely what donald trump will do when he becomes president of the united states. >> governor, i want to ask you about one final question and one final issue. "the washington post" reported this week that the trump foundation paid out $250,000, more than a quarter million dollars to settle various lawsuits against trump and trump businesses. now governor, as i'm sure you know there are laws against what's called self dealing where a charity spends money for the personal benefit of a person or his businesses. >> well, i think the trump foundation has responded to those questions and will continue to answer any issues that arise. i know "the washington post" reporting on this has been very, very sketchy, they have been found to be factually incorrect on a number of bases.

>> sir, let me ask you, if i may, about one specific case and that is the case of the flag in march a lag oh. city of palm beach sued mar-a-lago because they had a flag that exceeded zoning barriers. there was a settlement under which mayor a lag a was going to pay $100,000 to a charity. number one, he didn't pay it, the club didn't pay t the foundation paid it, and donald trump hasn't contributed a dime to his own foundation since 2008. what kind of charity is that, sir? >> well, i know that the trump foundation, the family can answer those questions about that specific instance and others and they have. >> no, they haven't. they have not explained, sir, "the washington post" has asked and they haven't explained how

the foundation paid the money instead of trump or mar-a-lago. also haven't explained why he hasn't contributed any money since 2008. >> look, these answers are fair game, chris. i just wish there was as much interest in the activities of the clinton foundation that we know accepted tens of millions of dollars from foreign countries and foreign donors who were then given access to hillary clinton while she was secretary of state. i mean, truth of the matter is, what you see in the clinton foundation and the trump foundation is a private charity by a private family that's helped many worthy causes over the years. the clinton foundation, hillary clinton was literally warned in her confirmation hearings could be used by foreign donors and foreign governments to gain access and favor while she was secretary of state and she went on to do it. e-mails come to light showing a connection between those that contributed to the clinton foundation and access given to those people to the calendar and

opportunities to meet with hillary clinton as secretary of state are deeply troubling to the american people. that's the pay to play politics, and donald trump will bring it to an end when he becomes governor. >> i am going to cut you off. we are talking to a representative of the clinton campaign next. i am sure you would like me to ask that. i understand you'll be in the audience tomorrow. safe travels tomorrow. >> thanks, chris. we will ask hillary clinton's chief strategist how she plans to take on trump. how high are the stakes for the first debate. let me know on facebook or twitter @foxnewssunday. think your heartburn pill works fast? take the zantac it challenge! zantac works in as little as 30 minutes. nexium can take 24 hours. when heartburn strikes, take zantac for faster relief than nexium or your money back. take the zantac it challenge.

a look outside the beltway at havana in hempstead, new york, site of tomorrow's first presidential debate between donald trump and hillary clinton. they're still putting the stage together. joining us from new york to discuss clinton's plan, campaign chief strategist joel benson. welcome back. >> thanks for having me. >> let's start with the debate. i would like your reaction to the fact that donald trump invited gennifer flowers and now news from mike pence that no, she won't be there. >> look, listen, these debates are for the american people. this will be a very watched debate, there are high estimates of how many tune in. i think they want to hear a full, substantive debate between hillary clinton and donald trump to make a judgment about which of these people actually has the

experience, knowledge and judgment to implement plans that will make a real difference in their lives. that's what hillary clinton is focusing on, talking to the american people about their lives, what she's going to do for them, how she's going to get things done that will help them get ahead. >> you're taking the high road now, some would say your side started it. you tweeted out yesterday that mark cuban who is a very loud trump critic was going to be sitting in the front row, and in fact before the gennifer flowers news even broke, the commission on presidential debates was very unhappy with that. >> well, i didn't hear anything about what the commission said. mark cuban is a successful business man, believes in things like profit sharing to get wages rising. i think he did that at some of his businesses. i think that's important, the economic lives of people. the fact that so many business people are endorsing hillary clinton because she has an economic plan that will work for growing our economy, but growing it in a way that's fair, gets

incomes rising for working americans which is the biggest economic challenge we face. as opposed to a candidate like donald trump who thinks wages are too high in america and we should get rid of federal minimum wage. it is legitimate to have a business person sitting there advocating for you because of your economic policies. >> as i discussed with governor pence in the wake of terrible shootings, violent protests in charlotte, that will almost certainly be a prime topic tomorrow night. i want to ask you about something clinton said this week. here it is. >> we have two more names to add to a list of african americans killed by police officers in these encounters. it's unbearable and it needs to become intolerable. >> joel, charlotte police say that when keith scott was shot that he was armed with a gun. when you look at the wife's video, it is apparent the police

shouted at him to drop the gun 12 times in 38 seconds. so why is clinton siding with protesters against the police saying this is intolerable and not a reasonable response from the police? >> i think what secretary clinton was addressing was that we have a disproportionate number of incidents in the past year or two in which unarmed african-american men, african-american men have been shot by police in some of these circumstances, so i think she was saying the results here are troubling. there are communities in north carolina like greensboro, studies about disproportionate stops of african americans that showed even though african americans carry fewer weapons in their cars, they get stopped more and i think that's what she was talking about, disproportionate effect here of what's happening on the streets. look, these are tragedies, they have been happening with increasing frequency, they're

troubling. you showed the video, said both sides say it is inconclusive what happened in this incident but i think the more important thing is that we have to have, as hillary clinton has said, better relations between communities and police, we have to have respect for the law and by the law. >> but joel -- i have to break in here because the comment we showed, she wasn't talking about police relations and general -- she was talking police shootings that end up with african-american men dying and i'm asking does she have any reason to believe the charlotte police response in the shooting death of keith scott was unreasonable? >> but chris, your question undercuts the question you're putting to me. she was speaking generally about what some people feel has been a pattern over a year and a half to two years of african-american men, most of them, the vast

majority of them unarmed by police or dying at their hands. that's undeniable. do you deny that's a pattern? >> the police say scott was armed. >> right now they say that. have they said their video shows that clearly? >> no, but they have -- they have a picture of a gun, they have a picture of a gun. you hear in the tape the police saying a dozen times drop the gun and the police chief who is african-american says the police acted responsibly, but hillary clinton seems to think they didn't. >> i think we ought to wait for the end of the full investigation, chris, and unfortunately there have been other shootings like this where police said somebody was armed, turned out they weren't. let's let the investigation run its full course. >> would you agree hillary clinton should do that as well? >> i think she did. her comment was a general comment as i said before, chris, and i think it is not unfair or

inaccurate comment that we have had too many shootings here of black, usually black men, many of them unarmed in these circumstances, where the police say they felt threatened, the person had no weapon. we have to get to a better understanding of how to stop those kinds. look, hillary clinton has been a supporter of law enforcement throughout her career. she's the woman who after 9/11 went to fight for health benefits for first responders, she saw what they did down there at the trade center afterwards, going into buildings to rescue people, breathing air officials told them was safe, turns out it wasn't safe. she went to bat for them to get the health benefits they needed to recover. >> let's turn to another issue. we learned on friday that as part of the fbi investigation into hillary clinton's private e-mail system that cheryl mills, her chief of staff when she was -- clinton was secretary of state, that she was one of the

people, one of five that received limited immunity. how do you explain that, joel? >> well, chris, i think you're probably familiar with what limited immunity, it is routine when police and law enforcement are investigating a particular issue and you're sitting down to give full cooperation, turn over materials, hand over computers, blackberrys, whatever. they narrow the scope of the investigation to the issue at hand, so limited immunity is anything else is irrelevant to them. they're looking at the specific investigation and that's what limited immunity means, chris. i believe you know that. so it is fairly appropriate and routine when people are sitting down with them, turning over a wealth of materials that have nothing to do with the investigation at hand. >> it had something to do with the investigation. they wanted the laptop for a reason. if i may just ask the question. if clinton -- i'm trying to ask a question, joel. >> yeah. >> if clinton did nothing wrong,

if no one on her staff did anything wrong, why did cheryl mills ask for and receive immunity, limited immunity, from criminal prosecution in this case? >> because the reason for that, chris, is so if you're handing over a vast amount of materials, something like your computer or blackberry or whatever, could be files that they want that are not germane or relevant, could be conversations with anybody else, your accountant, somebody, law enforcement offers this up to you to encourage you to sit down and provide the relevant information. >> cheryl mills asked for it. >> but it is a fairly routine process and you know that, chris, so let's talk about it. you know that prosecutors and investigators when investigating -- >> i'll be honest, it may be true, i don't know that. >> can i finish the answer quickly, so they can get a good look at the information that is germane to their investigation. that's what they wanted. they wanted to make sure they

had access to cheryl mills' information about e-mails. >> finally, i have about a minute left. want to ask you about one other thing. you heard mike pence go on about the differences between the trump foundation and clinton foundation, he said the clinton foundation was pay to play, gave money to the foundation, you got special access to the state department. your response to that. the calendar does show more than half nongovernmental people she met with were donors to the foundation. >> no, no, 85 people out of over 2,000 people. >> 85 out of 150. >> no. chris, as you know, two weeks after the initial headline said half the people, nongovernmental people she met with, ap took down their headline and statement, acknowledged it was wrong and sloppy because they only looked at a small sliver of the nongovernmental people she met with. the important point on the clinton foundation, maybe governor pence's proximity to donald trump is going to correct

him on record breakers of people fact checked for lying, the fact is clinton donation discloses all donors. governor pence should know that. the clinton foundation money has gone as an a rating from charity navigator about 90% of funds raised go to life-saving drugs for aids around the world, better food for our school children. neither of the clintons took a dime from that foundation, in fact they donated millions to their foundation as opposed to donald trump who didn't put in a nickel for seven years. in fact, if he has given money to charity through it, it was other people's money, not his own. >> joel, we have to leave it. i suspect a few things there you said the fact checkers will look at. >> i welcome them. >> thank you. always a pleasure to talk to you, sir. >> thanks, chris. up next, we bring in the sunday group to handicap that big debate. what would you like to ask the panel about how to reshape the race. go to facebook or twitter at fox

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why aren't i 50 points ahead you might ask? well, the choice for working families has never been clearer. >> american hands will rebuild our nation, not the hands of people from our countries. >> hillary clinton and donald trump both trying to rev up supporters ahead of tomorrow night's first debate. it is time for the sunday group. gerald side, bureau chief for "the wall street journal." fox news political analyst juan williams. julia page, covers the white house for associated press, and rachel campos-duffy, a nonprofit that educates latinos about conservative positions. i want to start with a fascinating poll from "the wall street journal" this week. let's put it on the screen. people were asked top concerns about the candidates, about

trump, 33% said not the right temperament for commander in chief. talked about this with mike pence. 27% says language about women, immigrants, muslims. for clinton, 36 say dealings with syria, iraq, libya. 29% private e-mail server. jerry, i saw that, my reaction was trump has an easier challenge, it is about how he acts. with clinton, it is about what she's done. then trump played the gennifer flowers card. >> there you have it. you have actions versus attributes. actions that trouble people, attributes that trouble people. i think those questions frame well the debate we will see monday night, those are the attack points for both sides. i don't know which two people think are easier to swallow, actions which might have been mistakes or attributes that might never change. it is difficult to know for sure. i think in a sense hillary clinton has a problem and the e-mail debate is not going away.

i think donald trump as you suggested has a problem. people think the temperament isn't changing contrary to what was said earlier this summer. >> do you think the gennifer flowers invitation was a gaffe and he was wise to get out of it? >> i think so, a classic donald trump tweet, thrown out there to change the subject, then pulled back fairly quickly as well. i think that one will be blown over by tomorrow. >> rachel, you are a trump supporter. >> my organization is nonpartisan. i am voting for trump, yes. >> what do you believe are keys for him in terms of making the affirmative case and in contrasting it with hillary clinton? >> i think it is very clear she has more experience, she has the right resume, she has all of the knowledge, i think it is his job to say hey, yeah, she has all that stuff but what are the decisions she has made, and then to prove his business experience has given him better gut

instinct on making better decisions and using his judgment. i think in the case with her, he has a lot to work with. she made decisions about benghazi, even starting as early as the green revolution, not supporting that. the decision to pull out of syria. so he's got to prove yeah, she has all of this information and, but what has it done to make your life better. and then also to make it will that this is her doing it for her own political power or whatever. >> i am saying for clinton, what are the keys to her for winning or losing the debate? >> in some sense has to change the narrative, chris, from the focus that rachel was talking about, e-mails, benghazi, questionings about her judgment. i think he has to get back to saying she's a resilient player, tough political player, someone who has worked in terms of rooting out corruption back to watergate days but also a mom,

grand mom, someone focused on health care, on production of jobs, create that image to the audience to make it clear she's a human being. secondly i think she has to be tough on donald trump. i think she has to say no shape shifting, no getting away from the birther controversy or getting away from the fact that you excited white nationalist attitudes in this country. no getting away what you said about mexicans as rapists or misogynistic comments about women. finally, there are people that say i don't care what he said or did, he is a disrupter, i can't stand the status quo. i think politics is dysfunctional. she has to be clear saying to those people there's such a risk for voting donald trump, not just going to disrupt political status quo, it will hurt the economy and the country. >> julia, i want you to weigh in. how personal, how nasty do you

expect this to be? it is one thing to have a campaign ad, but when you're -- >> it is a different dynamic standing next to an opponent or talking in an interview or tv ad. we have seen in both cases these candidates getting personal with each other. for clinton, you probably are going to see her try to use things trump has said in the past. this has been just a really core part of her argument, don't take it from me, listen to his actual words, you see this in the ads. for trump i think it is a tougher question. you've seen his advisers say he is a counter puncher. if she goes after him, he will go after her. and he has not shown an ability when he gets into that attacking mode, the counter punching mode, to keep it restrained, keep it focused on policy. if he starts to go after her, it will be difficult for him to focus on policy. >> we asked you for questions

about the panel. got this on facebook from marilyn marks. she writes who will be most influential with undecided voters determining quote, who won? tv networks, newspaper editorials, blogs? candidate claims? jerry, you and i have been at this awhile. how do you answer marilyn. the fact is we may think, you watch, you think so and so did well, the next day and as the week goes on, the narrative changes. >> interestingly, i think voters themselves are the most influential, because as you suggest, we think instantly after debate is over. i am leery of instant reaction to debates, as it sinks in with voters, sometimes they draw different conclusions. and depends what they're looking for. are they looking for temperament or ability to handle issues. interested in hillary clinton's ability to share she has the experience or do they want to see if they can like her. i don't know what people's expectations are going in, but

to a large extent that determines the way they read this. >> i think we are in a historic moment. i remember in 2012 thinking this is interesting debate between president obama and mitt romney and realizing that all of my colleagues were on twitter and facebook, chris, and that they were in a sense determining how the public viewed the outcome right from the start. i noticed when alec baldwin and i forget who else -- >> great political thinker. >> they were on twitter and they were influencing the public perception so that before the candidates had even finished, it was clear obama had lost. >> i talked to a key person in the obama campaign after it was over, said they were not prepared for that and you agree, they were totally surprised, romney people were much more mobilized, one of the few areas romney did better than obama and obama people realized the middle of the debate we are getting swamped on twitter. >> i was at the debate, i remember seeing obama staff at the campaign bar hotel after the

debate, they were going through the motions, think he did pretty well, talk about this and this and this the next day without realizing already the narrative had been set. we have to point out, even though romney did well in the first debate, was generally perceived the winner, he lost the election. >> the sheer number of people watching will change. people are saying 100 million could be watching. by definition your personal opinion is going to matter more, is not going to be up to the media or campaigns to spin it. >> but they will try to spin it. we have to take a break. up next. police shootings and terrorism become hot topics on the campaign trail this week. we will discuss the issues and their political impact when we come right back.

what we know and what you should know about him is that he was an american citizen who deserved better. that is our position and it should be yours. >> keith scott's brother-in-law ray dotch responding after they release video of the shooting. we are back with the panel. well, right after the shooting both in tulsa and also in charlotte by police of black men, clinton called it as we discussed with joel benenson intolerable. >> he certainly doesn't have any solutions to take on the reality of systemic racism and create more equity and opportunity in communities of color and for every american. >> rachel, your thoughts about clinton's comments about the

incidents and about trump this week? >> well, i think the case of this shooting is one where we also should look at it is out of state people coming in, it is clear it is a swing state, and i think she's clearly trying to play up the card here because as you saw this week, obama is trying to get african americans to be as excited about her as they were about him. he actually said it is an insult to my legacy if you don't vote for me, so i think politics is playing into this. he hasn't had a lot of clear answers, he said he would go in to stop and frisk but i don't think he should play into it because i think obviously ginning up the racial card here will benefit her, not him. >> juan, here is what governor christie said this week about clinton's comments. she's exactly the kind of

politician that law enforcement loathes because she jumps to conclusions for political gain. your reaction. >> i think he is trying to suggest somehow donald trump is the law and order candidate and if you want law and order, if you're discomforted, i think overwhelmingly we all are by riots and bad behavior, rachel mentioned people coming in from outside for trouble, that's what he is playing to. race is a key issue in this campaign, chris, no getting away from it. 90% of trump voters are white, little more than a third of clinton supporters are minorities and from her perspective, she's giving voice to legitimate grievance her base feels. large scale across the country, we know if you're a poor black male or latino male, your chances of being shot are higher than if you're a white person and this plays into the racial politics of the moment, but we have a large social crisis on our hands.

unfortunately given some of donald trump's statements, kicking around with people like david duke. >> wait, wait, no, he disavowed david duke. >> what does david duke say? he supports him. >> the father of omar mateen was at a clinton rally. >> huge difference in terms of consequence for us as society. if you're looking for someone who polarizes or heals, clinton has it. >> have at it. >> i was going to say at least in the case of opportunity i think trump is talking school of choice, talking about opportunity in minority communities and i think she's just offering more of the same, they're looking at their incomes, saying they haven't moved, poverty is greater in african-american and hispanic communities, so i think she can talk about race but she's at a deficit when it comes to talking opportunity because she's offering more of the same. he is saying i will change. >> rachel, he talks about

kicking out, deportation, kicking out everybody, he talks about mexicans as rapists and murderers, when he speaks in this way, he is not talking about increasing opportunity. when he talks about stop and frisk, he is talking unconstitutional tactic that unfairly burdens young people of color. >> let me bring in the other two panelists. jerry? >> if you get beyond the emotions of the moment, hillary clinton is saying let's do something the way police forces are trained, a billion dollars from washington, people can disagree whether that's the right starting point, let's address the core issue of how police are trained in this country because training clearly effects the way they act on the streets. second, in regard to the debate, it is unfortunate if this comes down to a conversation whether you're for police or for black men on the streets of america, it is not a by narrow choice and

that's the dangerous part of the discussion. >> so many issues we dealt with in the campaign, police shootings among them, it seems like you have to be on the side of the police or feel like there's a racial element to it, that there's no possibility you can both support the police and think as a black man in particular or hispanic man you might be greater risk of being shot, it is a problem in our politics that we break things down in this simple way. >> people are frustrated after eight years of an african-american president we haven't really moved forward in the racial divide in this country. i think that may be an opportunity for the other side. >> nobody feels that more acutely than african americans. >> absolutely. >> i want to go to this question, you say it is not a binary choice, but you have trump saying about protests, drugs played a big role without any proof drugs played a big role and as i discussed with joel benenson, you have clinton saying this was intolerable when it may have been totally justified. >> that's the point.

it is a situation everybody can agree is not really an ideal one to say the least. but there are a lot of causes, it is not one cause or another, it is a combination of factors and i think that's why these debates are difficult because politics doesn't lend itself to gray, it lends itself to black and white. >> i guess the point, obviously it is a tragedy this man died, may turn out the police acted reasonably or unreasonably, we have seen some police shootings, julie, some that are justified, some that aren't. >> right. i think it is hard to look at all of these as a totality. you can look at frientrends. it is important as a leader, i think of it every time we look to barack obama's statements, this is one thing he is actually good at, it frustrates people, but he is good at trying to wait for information to come out. >> i just worry there's a lot of white denial about what is a very racial situation that

unfairly burdens people of color in american society and in the midst of this -- >> we are running out of time. i don't think anybody is saying you couldn't improve black policing. that doesn't mean every single shooting is unreasonable and unjustified. look at ferguson. >> if you focus on the rain drops, you can miss the coming storm. there's a storm over this issue. number one political issue. >> it was a black officer. we haven't mentioned that in this. >> thank you, panel. see you next sunday. i am sure we will continue this conversation and i am sure they will tomorrow night. the power player of the week, making history as the new head of one of the nation's constipated? trust number one doctor recommended dulcolax use dulcolax tablets for gentle overnight relief suppositories for relief in minutes and stool softeners for comfortable relief of hard stools. dulcolax, designed for dependable relief

the job description could not be more daunting, to maintain a universal collection of human knowledge. now someone new has that assignment. here's our power player of the week. >> i'm smiling because for a librarian, this is the ultimate library. >> meet carla hayden, the new library of congress. she's in charge of 162 million items. the world's biggest collection of books, movies, maps, and music. and it keeps getting bigger. >> 15,000 items come into the library of congress and about 12,000 of those items are

actually added to the collection every day. >> so help me god. >> so help me god. >> hayden is just the 14th librarian of congress since 1802, and she's the first professional librarian. >> each librarian of congress has had a different background. there have been lawyers, scholars, authors, politicians. >> of course a couple of other things set her apart. >> you're the first woman, you're the first african-american, what does that mean to you? >> there are certain professions that have a preponderance of females. being a woman at the helm of the world's largest library is very significant. african-american in the role that symbolizes knowledge and scholarship and information is also very empowering. >> the library's original mission was to be the research arm for congress which is still one of its roles. >> there's a tunnel that allows

members and their staff and the library staff to go back and forth. >> it has been called the most beautiful public space in america, built in 1897 for $7 million which was under budget and ahead of schedule. there's criticism the library hasn't kept up with the times in putting its collection online. hayden means to change that. >> in her own handwriting, said i had been pushed around all my life, felt at this moment i couldn't take it any more. >> hayden showed us handwritten notes of rosa parks when she refused to go to the back of the bus. now that parks' collection has been digitized. >> imagine a child or person looking at this, having that sense of history right here. >> hayden fell in love with reading as a little girl. >> i would read a cereal box, anything. >> when she discovered libraries. >> libraries are the original treasure chest because you never

know what you'll find. >> hayden was head of the baltimore library system during the 2015 riots there. she was determined to keep the library open in the midst of unrest. >> there was no other place open and we were that life center for that community at a time. >> carla hayden says libraries are opportunity centers where people can advance themselves. and she calls librarians the original search engines. >> you have a person who has a lifetime of getting lost in books and libraries and bookstores to be the head of the world's largest library. that's pretty exciting. >> as part of her digital initiative, hayden plans to go on twitter each week sharing one of the library's treasures with the public. this week it is the first bronze casting of the mask of abraham lincoln's face made while he was

president. now this program note. tune to fox news all day tomorrow for special coverage of the first presidential debate, the battle at hofstra. that's it for today. have a great week, see you next fox news sunday. erything that h all your favorite guests tomorrow night. see you at 9:00. ♪ welcome to hannity. less than 24 hours away from what might be the deciding factor of 2016, the first presidential debate. we are broadcasting from hofstra university. we will be joined by newt gingrich, laura ingram, sheriff david clark. i have debate thoughts to share with you. over the course of his campaign donald trump has given many significant foreign and domestic