jenna: we le see -- we will see you in an hour, outnumbered starts right now. >> after year of campaigning, months of anticipation, hillary clinton and donald trump will square off in first debate hours from now, will take stage and the t audience outside the hall expected to be super bowl size. also big, this is outnumbered, also from fbn, melissa francis and ebony williams. fox news media analyst and host of media buzz, buzz, harry is

outnumbered. >> this is super bowl hype on steroids. [laughter] >> all right. we are ready. let's move. here we go. stakes are hi. you know that. estimated hundred million americans could watch the showdown. hillary clinton took more time away from the campaign trail to get ready, thousands of pages of briefing books and mock debating are her tools. donald trump taking low key but getting ready for hillary clinton they know well. good to see you. >> harris, good afternoon to you. we are missing all of the presuper bowl parties and activity that is take place at the stadium in the run to the super bowl. other than that the anticipation is about the same. when you look at the it least

polls and how tight they are, tonight could have a cig any factant event on how this unfolds going forward. donald trump can capitalize on the momentum and gain forward on hillary clinton and stretch out lead in hillary clinton. hillary clinton can block momentum. the goal for donald trump not to commit any great big errors. basically put a performance that that puts him as a leader and expectations as well. donald trump has been lower expectations for him and raising for hillary clinton. she has a bar much higher than his. if he plays to withdraw it's basically a win for him, one of the tactics expecting to employ giving glancing nod to question and answering the question that you really wanted to get. he would likely point to the fact that this morning he got the endorsement of the 5,000 union members in the immigration and customs enforcement

department, the first time that they have ever endorsed a candidate and the fact that he's coming out with a new white paper today that details economy, 3.5% growth, to create new jobs, suggesting he might pull out of the world trade organization in order to help american companies sell more things overseas, basically harris, that is he is a president with level the playing field when it comes to international and free trade to give american jobs and american businesses a better opportunity to compete globally, harris. >> yeah, through it all we are hoping voters will be able to see because early voting in some states has begun. they are looking. senior political correspondent mike emmanuel is live at the debate site. hi, mike. >> the clinton campaign pushes for real-time fast-checking for

everything that donald trump does tonight. the campaign does sound concern of the possibility of a double standard. last time we saw hillary clinton she appeared to be in good spirit, two and a half hours of debate, preparation last night and her aides say the fact that she's invested so much time and energy and study and preparation signifies this is a huge moment in the campaign. >> she's taking it really seriously. she has the upmost respect for american voters and this is going to be the first time they are tuning into this election. she's taking it very seriously. she's debated a lot in the course of her career in public service and she's really taking it seriously and prepared and ready to come to the people directly. >> the stage is set here at hofstra university. clinton's running mate says he

expects that she will be ready for prime time. >> i know this about hillary clinton, when the lights are bright like they are now, she brings the a plus game to the table. >> at this stage the prep work is largely done. we can expect hillary clinton to try to pin donald trump down for specifics on issues but rattling off policy may not be the most memorable thing, quite often the memorable moment is manager unscripted that everyone will be buzzing about tomorrow. >> let's begin with this idea, people are actually going to watch tonight to vote ahead of november 8th. this isn't just a big moment because this is the first time that we have seen both on stage. they potentially know they're reaching people out there who are going to pull a lever. >> it's a two-month election. what happens in the stage really counts. everybody is talking about this. let's face it, donald trump is the x factor here.

the unproven commodity. all the pregame talking about do psychological profiles and get rattled, is she going to get rattled, what donald trump needs to do is pass the commander in chief threshold. hillary clinton we know she stayed up late, she's the a student, she's going to know policy inside and out. she has to connect with voters who are weary particularly on the honest and untrustworthiness question. >> we all know someone who has been in a relationship that has survived infidelity. walk with me here. >> what? >> in order to build that you can rebuild trust but it takes time, it takes effort and reassurance that you will not in those positions make that same choice to be dishonest and thus

untrust worthy. the problem for hillary clinton she's only got two months to rehabilitatate something that really that requires time, harris, to rehabilitate the time that people don't trust you and they need to learn to trust ewe again. >> if only -- [laughter] >> infidelity because that actually may happen. people are like what. kennedy, as they go into it, we know that hillary clinton had someone, former aide, all-time aide playing the role of donald trump. i interviewed last night kellyanne conway and she told us which one we are going to see and i will get your response. >> you're going to see the donald trump who is conveying the message of positive optimism, wealthy again and prosperous and, of course, great again. i'm sure that hillary clinton is trying different scenarios, testing out different zingers and lines, i recall she tried

with then senator obama, a couple of them felt flat because they weren't particularly funny. >> are you preparing for two hillary clintons? no, there's only one. i'm quoting her, sometimes she has different stories for thing but there's only one. there were -- there's some toughness there. they're getting ready to go. kennedy: there's so much unpredictability as far as debates go. if he's going to reach out to the necessary voters, college educated, whites and women, he has to have the positive optimism that has worked so well for him in those speeches where he has come out and said, i'm fighting for you, we are in this together and when we can resinate within that message, that's actually going to knock her off a little bit because that's the one donald trump that she's not anticipating so far as campaign as let on how she's practicing with former aide who is trying to poke her, go to her and i also think the two people

are going to be playing a lot of defense and for that, and i think i'm the only one who might say this, i think because of that one reason this debate could be a little bit boring. >> what? >> there's a chance that everybody goes out there and it's safe. i hope that's not true. i have never heard so much smack talk that wasn't an athletic event. i'm not practicing at all. it's ridiculous. i don't they don't let down. i don't think they won't be. something mónica said last week in article and makes so much sense, it's practical to return prosperity to the country, get rid of rig system and corruption, just sanity back to our system. he can do that well if he stays on message. >> you know what's interesting, you're talking about staying positive and staying on message with what we've had with race

relations, that now is necessarily part of the conversation and who has been strongest on law and order, mike, shine in on that? >> the riots and shootings help trump make the case. he's the candidate of radical change and she's the unofficial incumbent. they tend to gravitate ward to challenger in this situation. i am not expecting a boring debate but if it's on the dull side, journalists will be disappointing, i think that will help donald trump. he doesn't need a lot of great, he needs to project serious image. this is a guy who i can see -- >> presidential. yeah. i mean, it's been said before that the greatest debaters are

those who challenge the status quo no matter the questions being asked. that's not always easy to do. glad you're here. we have you cover for the best analysis all day long and immediately after the big debate. tonight's debate could be a turning point for either candidate in this election. three new polls show the candidates in a dead heat and it's now any one's game. both candidates still face big pitfalls with voters, we will talk about what they can do to turn it all around and will this debate contest be less about policy and more about image and style, all right some wrangling about who is going to look taller and what really matters to voters when it comes to debate. stay with us.

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ahead of tonight's first presidential debate. three new polls, candidates three new polls, candidates

. but the clinton campaign manager robbie telling abc this week the poll drop is not because hillary is losing ground. watch this. >> in our own poll, you didn't actually show hillary losing any support, it was donald trump consolidating some of his base. i still think that we can win this election by a wide margin but hillary pointed out, we are all going to have to work out to get the message out. there's a lot of noise out there . >> kennedy, i'm familiar with math, is that consolidating your base? kennedy: you're still doing great when you have dropping poll numbers. it still means that you're a fantastic candidate and the winds of victory are blowing in your favor, for sure. that's part of the reason that people have such a hard time trusting her and one of the big drivers of this debate is

antiestablishism. they're selling this nonsense that people can see through and it's so robotic and at some point you want to say, you are representing her. why not be truthful and humble for a second. melissa: oh, no. let me show you two different polls. one is this is the issue -- this is the issue that donald trump is struggling with, qualified to be president. 41% of those polls said yes, 57% said no. 35% yes and i heard them talking about a focus group. this was their problem. they said, i don't see him behind the desk. how does he remedy that? >> i'm glad you brought that up. people lose sight.

this election is over. why aren't i 50 points ahead? melissa: this group in particular, no. >> any poll that i have seen is not 50%. he's within striking range. a lot of democrats are in denial about that. a lot of the press in august -- melissa: total denial. >> he can close the deal but he can't do it without convincing that the 5% that he needs that he is capable, has the knowledge and the temperament and the patience and -- melissa: to sit behind that desk. you know, people are trying to imagine traditionally what he would look like and now they see him in a very traditional role leading to a big election behind

lantern and arguably the largest debate audience ever. >> like when he went to méxico. harlan: is it time, do we have room for a change in tradition in optics anyway? would we get a remake? i'm being serious here. are we at that point in history when you consider how well outsiders have done. melissa: ebony, what do you think about that? >> i think no election will be the same. for better or worse we have seen a complete overhaul in the way that we run for president in these united states of america. i want to go back about her losing voters or not. this is an appropriate time to say what difference does it make because this is the thing -- it really doesn't matter whether he's getting or or she's losing more. 50% of millennials are voting for a third-party candidate and hillary clinton nor donald trump

for that matter, most expecting to go to hillary. she can't be in denial about that. she has to remedy that. melissa: absolutely. controversy is growing ahead of tonight's debate after hillary clinton's team told moderator to fact-check rival. more in all of that smack talk coming up. plus two hot become focus of this debate. we are going to tell you what those are and discuss which candidate may have an edge.

>> what we are concerned about is there's some sort of double standard here. donald trump can't lie on that debate check and when or even get a passing grade. it's unfair to ask for hillary both to play traffic copwith trump, make sure that the lies are corrected and also to present her vision for what she wants to do for the american people. harris: hillary clinton's is stepping up campaign. they want fact-check donald trump and pushing reporters to scrutinize what trump says on stage. trump's campaign manager is concerned that trump won't be treated fairly suggesting that the clinton campaign is trying to rig the debate. >> the clearly campaign has been talking to the media for a week

now, it's your job to make sure that donald trump is checked -- fact-checked in real-time. i'm surprised the campaign manager would lower expectations that dramatically for their own candidate. harris: a debate commission says it's not the moderators job to do fact-checking. >> if you start getting into fact-checking, what's a big fact, a little fact, if you and i have different sources of information, does your source about the unemployment rate agree with my source. i don't think it's a good idea to get the moderator into essentially serving as the ebbing psych -- enpsych >> there's so much that i have vertigo. they did not want to be the story. donald trump went first. he said to me that lester holt and others will be unfair

because they don't want to be criticized by the peers. >> i watched it. >> this hillary clinton offensive that donald trump lies and that's not his job, it's his job to ask follow-up questions and give hillary clinton a chance to take on what trump says and vice versa but also being adopted by the media, harris, yesterday, la times, washington post, politico all had lies and exaggerations trump said in a week. harris: wait, wait, are you saying there's a connection democratic candidate and media and that they need to do what the democratic candidate wants? the answer is yes. [laughter] >> that could be a real buzz. >> if we have to pause in a 90-minute format every time little fact-check is needed --

>> all that will lead is lester holt getting stuck in the weed. i would advise hillary clinton do a little bit of that, pushback if there's misinformation being spewed there but she has to be careful not to get in the weeds because that will eat up all of her time. that was what she was complaining in the matt lauer interview. kennedy: she has been spending all night and filling her head with so much information, she sounds like a one-woman computer. i don't think she needs anyone else in the world to fact-check for her unless she's western traying some sort of issue that she can't retain information and if that's the case f she needs a man to come safe her on stage, that's problematic. >> i think it's very interesting as you're watching this, they're trying to attach the word liar for donald trump. that's been the word attach today hillary clinton every time. and they can't say it about

trump without people thinking about all the lies that she's told, all the times she's been called a liar, i don't think anyone bringing that word out really helps either side at this point specially her side. >> my prediction no matter what mr. holt does -- >> all you have to do is watch the video of james comey statements contrasted with hers and all the number of times she has changed her story. harris: you know her answer to that. >> well played by kellyanne conway, that two can play the game. harris: either way both candidates will be ready for tonight. can't wait to see it. the issues of race and gender could be front and center of the debate stage this as charlotte, north carolina is struggling get

back to normal after police released video of shot of a black man. the issue of race will energize young voters to vote for hillary, watch. >> the terms of issue of bigotry , sick and tired of discrimination and racism. on that issue, i think the points of clinton and trump are clear. trump is running his campaign, the corner stone of his campaign is bigotry is dividing us up. that's certainly very different from what clinton believes. >> donald trump's running mate, mike pence, points at racist. >> we need to step away. to paint law enforcement with a broad brush of racial bias, hillary clinton this week before all the facts were in in the

wake of an african-american police officer involved in a police action shooting that cost the life of a citizen in charlotte referred to the implicit bias in policing. >> meanwhile, gender is expected to play a big issue tonight over the weekend donald trump made the case that he will do more from the white house to help women than clinton saying his opponent is all talk. >> my opponent likes to say that for decades she has been fighting for women, she's been fighting for children, why then are 70 million american women and children living in poverty or in the brink of poverty in our country, why has she provided no relief for the millions of americans in search of affordable, reliable, quality, child care. for years she's been doing this and she's done nothing? harris: not to be outdone, team clinton has an ad too.

it shows little girls and young women looking into a mirror as they hear trump's own words and ask, is this the president that we want for our daughters, kennedy. kennedy: wow, she's getting in there and she tends to highlight some of her weaknesses when she tries to focus the spotlight on donald trump when it comes to think like gender and race. she's seen some of the support from women erode as well as millennials and i don't think it necessarily helps her with a big part of the country, independents and, you know, those who live close to these neighborhoods where we have seen so much racial tension when she comes out and paints cops and racist with such a broad brush. she has a difficult time with law enforcement. they don't trust her. she's going to be commander in chief and trying to set a national set of standards for police, so i think she's actually using a shovel to dig

herself in a deeper hole here. some of her rhetoric has been borderline. >> if you boil line u donald trump has been the propolice, proriot. >> yeah. >> hillary clinton has appeared with relatives of victims of police shootings and she has the huge lead among the african-american community. on the gender question, hillary clinton will be sued for political malpractice. she is, of course, the first female candidate and donald trump has said a number of things and many people not just women find offensive but hardly surprising as we get down to crunch time that she's trying to exploit that. >> go ahead. >> both candidates would be completely out of touch and really making political, you know, malpractice as you said, howie, if they ignore and dismiss cultural, period,

point-blank, end of story. for hillary clinton, do i like that she's the primary benefactor of questions about hillary clinton and his position on race relations and gender relations, it is what it is. those are the realities that these two candidates walk into tonight. i would like to point out something that newt gingrich said, he would like to see donald trump be more aggressive, talk more about there are real differences in this country between white and black people experience and there's no shame admitting that and solutions around that. that's a real good point for trump tonight. >> absolutely, that is true. it's amazing that we are sitting here at eight years of president obama, we are looking at all of these violent protests over race in so many different cities, it's amazing that we are at this point. i don't think he can ignore it but there's something in the law and order message where you can say, law and order doesn't mean that you're on the side of police over people, everybody is

following the law, police and people. kennedy: it's legitimate to ask how did we get here? it feels like along these lines whether gender or race we are coming apart at the seams. i think part of it is, you have seen an entire generation of black men incarcerated as a result of the crime bill that her husband signed and i don't think she does enough to address that and it's really only places like progressive media that are talking about that correlation and now that it's politically convenient to talk about criminal justice, it rings very hollow and to your point she's tedder her candidacy. harris: she has to run away from now. she was lock step and now not lock step and she has the black

lives matter movement on the other. >> i want to point out that she was reluctant to even entertain. >> she's on board. the question is are those two things oppositional? >> yes, they are. kennedy: that's why it's a tight race. some of the missteps and past statements should make him a beatable candidate, guess what, he's not. they're within a point in three separate polls. that's not just republican consolidation. what it is, it's time for another topic expected to come up tonight. the clinton e-mail investigation and the immunity deals grant today some of her former aides including one cheryl mills. can either candidate change voters' minds on the issue. we will discuss from the couch. this is outnumbered

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melissa: one topic sure to come up at tonight's presidential debate is hillary clinton's e-mail controversy. one day after campaign defended the justice department's department to grant immunity to cheryl mills and other aides. clinton campaign strategist telling fox news sunday that's a fairly common practice. listen. >> it's fairly routine when police and law enforcement are investigating a particular issue and you're sitting down with them to give full cooperation, turn over materials, hand over computers, blackberries, whatever. they narrow the scope to the issue at hand so a limited immunity is anything else is irrelevant to them at that. melissa: team trump isn't buying

that surprise, surprise. after he spoke to meet the press watch. >> the very last thing that john pedesta said no individual too big to jail, that should include people like hillary clinton. i mean, five people around her have been given immunity to include her former chief of staff. when you're given immunity, you probably committed a crime. melissa: there you go. not true? >> no, no. just because you're given immunity, it was limited immunity, what it means you have possible information on a big fish. they don't want cheryl mills, no one is interested in prosecuting cheryl mills but they might be interested in hillary clinton. i know a lot of the people don't think they are interested but they are. cheryl mills could have information that could be valuable. she's not going to speak about things that could possibly make her look bad without that

assurance of some kind of immunity. kennedy: here is my problem with cheryl mills. in one respect she's acting as hillary clinton's private attorney and therefore they have a soarn -- certain confidentiality, when she worked with her at the state department, she's november longer granted that same privilege. while she's part of the investigation and reportedly the master mind of the intere-mail set up she can act as hillary clinton's attorney and accompany hillary clinton to her fbi questioning. but why would she need immunity and how could she be target of investigation and at the same time act as her attorney? is there not a conflict of interest here. >> the strategy flipped at

first. well, the fbi offers this and then the pushback from the anchor. i think it was chris wallace. wait, she asked for it. does it make a difference? >> optically is the keyword here. can we take a second and see how surreal this is? well, it's pretty routine, nothing to see here, no big deal. the investigation is pretty much well baked into the cake at this point. the way in which hillary clinton talks about it, handles it when it comes as she did with chris wallace, i think gives people -- she often can look defensively and lawyerly and this is a key question tonight. not so much that we are going to break new ground on this law investigation but whether she is seen as being candid --

>> and that is the thing that when you look at women who are supposed to be deeply in her camp, over 50, the group that's supposed to be her sweet spot and you talk to them and they don't support, you're like why, she's shady, they feel like she's not honest and corrupt and underlying feeling. maybe they don't feel the e-mail investigation in particular is the thing. it's just this, you know, cloud around her all of the time. kennedy: i've talk today so many lifetime democrats in that demographic group that you're talking about who say the exact same thing and so many women by the way who consider themselves pioneering feminists and would say i would love for a woman to be president, i just don't want her to be that woman. melissa: that's true. how she plans to use a custom to make up for one possible disadvantage in some's eyes and

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>> it's been a good one. there's more outnumbered in just a moment. let's go to jenna lee of the second hour of what's happening now. jenna: first presidential debate around 100 million people tune in tonight, something we are going to be watching for. the race couldn't be any tighter, last hour we told you that several national polls suggested the race is in a dead heat. another poll from university and we will keep an eye on that. homes are flooded and forcing many folks to leave, now the water is rising in cedar rapids and there's big fears that the city could be in danger. back to you. harris: we will see you then. thank you. kennedy: with as many as a hundred million to tune in today everything will be scrutinized to the candidates' answers and

their clothes and avoid any visual distractions. hillary clinton customized to reduce height with candidate. al gore appeared to invade george bush's personal space, remember this? >> that's what the question in this campaign is about. it's not what's your philosophy and position on issues, but can you get things done. [laughter] >> and i believe i can. [laughter] >> made the mistake of constantly looking at his watch when an audience member asked the question in 1992 debate. >> we have a question right here. >> yes, how has the national debt personally affected each of your lives? >> great rolex.

kennedy: in 1984 when ronald reagan launched zinger. >> i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. [laughter] kennedy: that was one of the defining moments of presidential debates. do you think we are going to see anything like that tonight? >> absolutely. there's always a couple of moment that is are unscripted, eye roll, will go viral on the web which we didn't have in 1992. this is how people judge character and don't view as policy. she made a good point about part two. [laughter] >> how they in those moments, specially the reaction shots, that's what people will be buzzing about and that's the

thing that you remember 24 hours later. harris: the moment with barack obama that hillary clinton was likable enough softened her and made her look so soft that it made her look weak and made him look funny and likable and the opposite. >> it was a bad moment for him. >> really? >> i thought it was -- melissa: if you mumble or do anything, everyone is going to hear it. they're never turning them down. there's also no commercial break. so just think about that whole thing. every single thing either of them does and says is going to be captured throughout the whole entire stage. harris: interesting. less about what they each put

out there and much more how they react to one another and moderator. it's very important to keep in mind, this thing is about impression. as you said, howie, it's not about policy, overpreparing doesn't really help. i do think if you make a glaring rick perry moment bluster, that's going to be bad for you, oops. it's about style or substance, style is actually going to win and i know that makes a lot of americans cringe but it's true, melissa, in the way you present that's going to carry the day. kennedy: that's been true since 1960. >> now in age of instagram, nap -- snapchat and twitter. kennedy: people can destroy you. whoa, i want to fact-check for a second.

>> all the journalists are on twitter. everybody is chattering about this phrase and that sort of thing. hillary clinton is a far more experienced debater. donald trump has more television experience. >> that's an excellent point no one has made. that will help him because he know -- >> a vastly different debater than bernie sanders. i don't think they adequately prepared her. there were a lot of times where bernie sanders he bullied in the wrong moment and he layed back too much in the wrong moment but i think the most important thing here and something that we haven't discussed, what is tonight's drinking game. >> i will be live facebooking for foxnews.com. >> they are going to put on notice in social media, i saw a tweet that they are looking out reporters who put out things that show they are bias on twitter during the event. things that they wouldn't

normally say on tv. i thought it was interesting. melissa: that is interesting. you see the temperature as things are going on in social media. kennedy: just getting hot in the couch. we have more outnumbered in just a minute.

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>> hours to go before the presidential debate and we have brand new polls showing why tonight could be make or break. >> the polling institute shows us the numbers just out now. we are covering all of the news "happening now". >> i think you will see donald trump is unfit and unprepared and i doubt he will have command of the issues. >> answering the question and showing america he is ready to be commander in chief on day one. >> before they take the debate stage. >> what do they have to say to