factor tomorrow night. please don't miss it. again thanks for watching us tonight. please always remember that the spin stops right here because we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, 24 hours after the political showdown of well, the century, the numbers are in with a record breaking 84 million people tuning in to watch hillary clinton versus donald trump. the question now who won with the voters. welcome to "the kelly file" everyone. i'm megyn kelly. today the pundits were in full spin mode each suggesting their respective nominee had won the debate. mrs. clinton in north carolina, mr. trump in florida. remember there with just 42 days until election day. can you believe it? six week to go.

and only two more opportunities for knees two candidates to debate each other. take a listen to a little of what the candidates had to say today. >> we had a great great time last night. one of my favorite baseball players growing up, ernie banks used to get so excited about playing that e he'd say let's play two. i'm looking forward to the next debate and then the one after that. did anybody see that debate last night? oh, yes. one down, two to go. >> last night was very exciting and almost every single poll had us winning the debate against crooked hillary clinton big league. for 90 minutes she argued against change while i called for dramatic change. we have to have dramatic change. we have to get rid of obamacare,

we have to strengthen up our depleted military. >> in moments we're going to be joined by president obama's 2008 campaign managerer, pluf and bill benton. we begin with campaign karl cameron who is reporting tonight from melbourne, florida where mr. trump just wrapped up a rally. karl? >> reporter: it doesn't look like it now but there were 9,000 people in this airport hanger in orlando just an hour ago and another 6500 outside, according to police. donald trump knew he had a good night last night. he was pleased by it. last night mr. trump was talking about how he had problems with his mike and it kept cutting out. this morning hillary clinton said if you're blaming the mike, you've got a problem. we'll get a better feel probably by the end of the week when the lengthy taken polls come out. but trump was on fire tonight.

watch. >> last night i talked about how we have the worst so-called recovery since the great depression. the american people rendered their verdict. the post-debate polls, as i said to you were so great. but we exposed hillary clinton's real position on nafta and transpacific partnership, another disaster that she lied about. she called it the gold standard. >> reporter: that was one of the things on which trump scored point last night. the campaign is riding pretty high on the idea that one of the things they've been looking over the results and analysis of the debate last night that they hit well with was for the assertion of the last 26 or 30 years hillary clinton has been involved in washington and been involved in politics and gotten nothing done. they think that was the winning line last night and they plan to keep ringing the bell. >> what are the big takeaways

from last night's event. david plouffe serve as president obama's 2008 campaign manager. great to see you. what was your biggest take away? >> the debate u was really on for hillary clinton trying to win undecided voters and she needed to provide more enthusiasm. the first 15 minutes were fine for trump. after that it was a disaster. the question for me was -- >> and you're open about the fact that barack obama had a very bad debate, the first debate against romney. >> yes. and by the way the bush was too in '02. if trump believes he did well and if he brings into the town hall meeting what he did in new york it's going to be a disaster. one of the worse debates i think a major party nominee has had. oddly he talked about his fitness and temperament. there's a lot of things coming out of the debate.

alicia saying it's smart not to pay taxes. >> the former miss universe. >> his craziness a about call sean hannity. >> so she needed to energize her base. who was her target? who were they fighting over in that debate? >> i think there are undecided voters, true undecided voters and i think it's hard for -- i don't think trump lost any vote last night but he's in a position in the race where he needs to add a vote. undecided voters are not going to make their decision overnight. and then she's also got, you know, younger voters with, voters that might be thinking about gary johnson. it's very important that she convert some of those. >> here's what newt gingrich came out and said, he's sickened by the intel leg churl dishonesty and smugness of the so-called intel leg churl idiots, talking about she's got the ivy league polish and

smoothness but he's the one who appeal to the people out there suffering. is there any truth to that? >> that's a bizarre statement. newt is off his rocker. trump is going to do 42, 43, 44. any republican is going to get that. maybe in this lex you only need to get to 48 in the battleground states. absolutely not. and his 30-year thing, i'm sure that will be part of the next debate. i'd put her record up, secretary of state, senator, first lady of a a and of the country versus what i think she exposed last night. not paying taxes. he basically admitted that he doesn't pay taxes. >> certainly for that two years that endedded up in the audit. we've been watching the polls, although david doesn't pay as much attention to the polls that we do, we looks at other secret information that we don't have access to. in colorado the cnn poll shows he's at 42, she's at 41.

pennsylvania she's at 45, he's at 44. she had an 11-point lead there. so it really looks like the race is tightening and could swing his way in the last six weeks. no? >> there's going to be a poll ef day for whatever your view on the race was. there was a national poll by nbc yesterday that had her up seven nationally which is the margin we beat mccain by. none of these polls look at 100% of the vote that's going to happen on election day. when you look at that she's got more to gain. and i think trump is coming up against a ceiling. so a poll that says if it's 42/40, even if that's right, what about the other 18. most of the polls this time after the first debate in 2012 had romney winning nationally. but what we were able to see is a presidential year turnout very much to our liking. i think she's got a decisive edge in the electoral college. pennsylvania you don't need to

look at analytics. she's going to have to big of a margin for him to make that up. >> you say no way does he win pennsylvania? >> no way. >> what about florida? >> i think he's got the edge. i think she'll win ohio too. >> what do you put the odds of a hillary clinton victory at? >> i say 100%. and you look at how do you get to 270 elect the other thing i say, the quality of the candidate matters. this is not someone i think who's got the temperament or the fitness for office to get a winning number in a presidential race. he's got passionate supporters and that's important but he doesn't have the ability. listen, hillary clinton has her challenges as a candidate. no question about that. the passion isn't quite where we like yet. but when you compare the two of them, that's what came away last night. even if you don't agree with much of what he said, seemed

presidential throughout the whole debate and trump particularly in the latter half of the debate became unhinged. >> you're going to hear about some of those passionate viewers on twitter in five, four -- >> it's always a joy. david mentioned alicia machado. she's the former miss universe who trump allegedly called miss piggy and miss housekeeping. we'll speak with her in a minute. but first, bill bennett. great to see you. >> great to see you. >> i'll serve you up what david plouffe said and let you take a crack at that. what did you think in. >> 100% chance to win. that's pretty good. i was a guy who used to make bets. those are good odds. and i watched the business with hillary at the beginning of the show, looks like a little overconfidence. be careful there with that overconfidence before you enter into the next debates.

you're right. this is a very tight race. the debate was interesting and engaging. trump needs to make some adjustments and he missed some opportunities. you know when you're asked a question about cybersecurity, you know, he's just got to say it begins am home, hillary and then other things he needs to bring up. people saw passion about changing the country, a sense of earnestness about the country and where it is. and i think that spoeke to a lo of people. even david plouffe, 100% plouffe conceded that the fist couple of rounds went to donald trump. what was he talking about? he was talking about jobs and the economy. what are people talking about and worrying about in ohio and pennsylvania and all of those states that he said are easily going to hillary. >> plump said pennsylvania is never going to happen because of

the turnout in philadelphia which will be all democratic. >> what do the numbers say? >> that's what he does. just so if audience knows, that's what david does. he analyzes numbers. i've known him for years. this is how they got barack obama elected by looking at the raw data. >> and he's good at it and a very good analyst but he's a partisan too and he does have to account for the fact that the gap in pennsylvania has been narrowed to one point. we see which way the arc is going. by a couple of adjustments by donald trump he'll do better. >> how can he improve? >> not a metaphor sis, he's not going to change fundamentally. but a few words in his head, syrian refugees, the wall, immigration, e-mail and how about the stuff she said last night, we all have a bigotry problem. >> we're getting to that. >> my gosh all mighty. i know you will.

what about releasing these people from prison. people need to take a look at the dealers with big-time dealers they're releasing from prison. >> his defenders say the people who are suffering in ohio, in michigan, elsewhere, they don't give two figures about trump eloquently making the argument. they know who their guy is. >> that's right. >> so if you accept that, who are these debates for? i mean who is at stake? >> well, they are certainly for undecideds and they're to ensure the base and to bring the base out. but i do think it matters when you say things that resonate with the base. and i think he said some things last night that do. again, on jobs and the economy, it's not just ohio, it's pennsylvania as well and other states. so i think that's important. and he got her, i think, a couple of good times on her record, just exactly what is she offering this country. what you saw in him was a lot of

passion and a lot of worry of where the country is and where it should be going. and he matches the national mood much better than she does. one thing david did not talk about is writing direction, wrong direction. that's a big point. another phrase he could bring up. >> he had her on the ropes on tpp. he had done his home work, had the record, she denied it but the facts are there. bill, always a pressure. >> thanks, megyn. six weeks exactly until election day. feels like it's been a long time. and with the candidates in a daeds heat, larry sabato is next. critics today accusing lester holt of being harder on trump than he was on mrs. clinton. you can't win as the debate moderator. we'll take a look at the evidence next. and then we'll speak with a woman at the center of one of the hottest controversies to come out of last night, alicia

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we'll be sitting here together going on who won. how about that. right, yes, yay, here's to the end of the race. it's coming. and donald trump and hillary clinton are locked in a neck and neck race right now according to polls released just ahead of last night's showdown. the quinnipiac poll shows mrs. clinton with a one-point lead over mr. trump, her lead jumps to 4 points with the bloomberg politics poll putting mr. trump ahead by two points. history suggests a winning first debate performance isn't necessarily a sign of things to come. two of the past three losing presidential candidates saw a bump in their polls after the first debate but ultimately went on to lose in november. joining me now, larry sabato. great to see you. >> good evening, megyn. >> is there anything we need to know about that, the fact that you've got john kerry who erased

a seven percentage point with the first debate, mitt room my erased a four percentage point deficit, lost the election by four points. >> well two points. there's a reason why we have three debates. you know, we just had part one. we've got part two and part three. i leave aside the vice presidential debate for the moment. so the story line can change and the candidates with improve their performance or deteriorate, depending on what they have learned from the first debate. and the other thing, megyn, that i think is very very important, there are fundamentals in any election that probably matter more than the debate. the thing that helps donald trump the most and has helped him all year long is he's the change agent. we've had two terms of one party and in modern times, we like to switch parties after eight years. that's what in part has propelled trump forward. notice how much he tried to make

hillary clinton the status quo candidate. she fought back trying to make the issue donald trump. and we'll see in the next two debates. >> what did you make of david plouffe's analysis on pennsylvania. he thinks that an impossibility for donald trump. >> i never say anything is impossible. i'm a lot older than david plouffe that's why i never say anything is impossible. 100% chance that hillary clinton is elected, god bless him. i wouldn't want to risk my savings op one election vote. is pennsylvania tough for republicans? of course. they haven't carried it since '88. >> it's within a point. >> it's one poll. the polling averages are about three but it can change overnight. i'm not saying it can't be done. i'm just saying it's tough. i certainly wouldn't say it's impossible. >> larry, a pleasure. to be continued. >> thank you, megyn. as we track the fallout from

last night's debate, one of the big stories involved the moderator, what a shock. the moderator is getting beaten up again, nbc's lester holt. some suggesting that holt preshed mr. trump more than he did mr. clinton. >> the audit of your taxes the -- you're perfectly free to release your taxes during an audit. mr. trump for five years you perpetuated a false claim that the america's first black president was not a citizen. can you tell us what took so long. we're talking about racial healing in this segment 37 what do you say to americans -- >> i say nothing. >> a lot of these are judgment questions. you had supported the war in iraq before the invasion. >> wait a minute. i was against the war in iraq. just so you put it out. >> the record shows otherwise. >> joining me now, brent ba zel and krystal ball.

i confess. i already said he did a good job but i'm not going to argue against you. but i'm going to give you the floor to make the case. all of the questions seemed fair to me. is the argument that he didn't do it as aggressively with mrs. clinton? >> no. the argument is he didn't do it at all. here's the facts. he asked donald trump about his personal taxes. he challenged him. he asked him about stop and frisk. he challenged him. that was a candy crowley moment where he got it wrong. he asked him about the birther issue. he challenged him. he asked him about iran, about iraq and he questioned, interrupted him, fact checked him five or six different times. now that's perfectly fine by me provided you do the same thing with the other side. what are the facts. he not once challenged hillary clinton on anything, not once asked her a tough question. and didn't even ask her anything about her controversy. now, megyn, let's be objective

here. >> he asked her about the e-mail. he didn't put it in his own words but he gave mer the chance to respond to e-mail. >> exactly. why different. no no. let me just explain. >> he gave her the opportunity. >> i have no idea. i haven't talked to lester. but this is what i think happened. you got a question on e-mail. he must have had a question on e-mails for her. you're going to get to e-mails with hillary clinton. when donald trump brings it up, you can save your question, save the 25 extra seconds it would have taken you to read your question and you say mrs. clinton within respond on e-mail. >> where is the fact checking. where's the follow-up in there was a follow-up to everything donald trump said. what was more important, birther issues or benghazi medical records of the clinton foundation. there's so -- the e-mails. what's so important. how could he not have asked these questions. >> okay. krystal? >> well apparently donald trump who his campaign manager called

the babe ruth of debating cannot handle lester holt. there's a big difference between the questions being unfair and the candidate being unable to handle the questions which is what happened here. if you look at the first half of the debate, lester basically let both candidates go, let them make their points and go at each other. but when you have one candidate -- this is not my opinion. this is the opinion of independent factors saying that one candidate lies disproportionately more than the other candidate, of course you're going to have more pushback and fact checking. other thing i point out, at times trump wouldn't let lester holt get his whole question out. that led to contentious exchanges because he was interrupting the moderator himself. >> there were definitely some moments where lester was pressing, trump didn't answer the question and lester was

following up. but there is a question of whether her controversy were left untouched whereas more of his were hit upon. lester's defenders would say trump has so many. there's so many to pick from. >> here's something i want to put before your audience and you tell me which one is right. robby muck, the presidential campaign manager for hillary clinton was working this weekend call on lester holt to be the traffic cop, to be the fact checker. this is what janet brown also said. she's the executive director of the commission on presidential debates. which is what she said about fact checking this weekend. i don't think it's a good idea to get the moderator into essentially serving as the encyclopedia bra tan ka. who did lester holt listen to, her or hillary clinton's campaign manager. >> he pushed back on the iraq war. >> he was very restrained.

>> i love to fact check. if you really wanted to do it, you could get up there. it's not -- especially in the general election, presidential debates when it's two on two, fade away, like i'm not even here. i'm gone. i'm out. the camera is following me. hard to do on your own show. i got to go. they can find me wherever i go. new reaction tonight to one of the debate's hottest moments. hillary clinton calling out trump for his his remark about alicia maka whmachado. >> wait until you hear harnld deen's opinion as he suggesting that the gop nominee, a family man who does not drink, does not take in caffeine may have been on drugs.

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said was about a woman in a beauty contest, he loves beauty contests, supporting them and hanging around them, and he called this woman miss piggy, then he called her miss house sooeping because she was latina. he has a name. her name is alicia machado. >> the former miss universe is here. she said donald trump made her life miserable. we'll ask her about that but first trace gallagher has the latest. >> donald trump bought the pageant in 198 f, alicia machado was her first winner. machado accusing trump of humiliating her, call her miss piggy and miss housekeeping. hillary clinton is using her story in a spanish language ad. in it machado recounts how

donald trump made her feel like a lab rat by reporting dozens of photographers to watch the fat miss universe to work out >> she weighed 118 pounds or 117 pounds and she went up to 160 or '70. this is somebody that like to eat. >> machado says she joined hillary clinton's supporters earlier this year because she's fightened by the thought of a trump presidency, describing the gop nominee as a man filled with grudges, racism and anger and blaming him to contributing to her five-year struggle with bulimia and anorexia. but during her rain she became hard to work with and refused to do some promotional appearance. today on "fox and friends" donald trump said this. >> that person was a miss universe person and she was the worst we ever had. the worst. the absolute worst. she was impossible. and she was a miss universe contestant and ultimately a

winner who they had a tremendous difficult time with as miss universe. she was the winner and she gained a massive amount of weight and it was a real problem. >> machado who is from an influential and politically engaged family in venezuela is now a natchized u.s. citizen, a well known spanish and english actress which is bad for trump because it means this story is playing big in spanish and english media. the trump campaign calls her actions baseless. >> joining me now, alicia machado. so the trump campaign can't really deny that he harassed you on your weight because it's on camera many times. they seem to be denying the specific charges hillary leveled which is the language of miss

biggie and miss housekeeping. was anybody there to witness when he said those things to you? >> well, first i want to say thank you to give it to me this space. and to share my -- the story with mr. trump. this happened 20 years ago. and you know, i don't need to share this story if i don't believe that person is not the right person than being a president or trying to be a president. this happened 20 years ago. in that moment he was not the person that you can see now. maybe he was more just business guy. and i was a little girl, too, 18

years old. and you know, the only thing i want to do is to share my story. i think in this moment just for my community, i'm a latina, i'm from venezuela and from venezuela and cuba. and you know, i need to share my story. i think i can open a few eyes. i can maybe change a few minds. you know, i don't think this person is the right person that can be a president. >> you said as a result of what he said to you, you developed an eating disorder, bulimia and anorexia. but you had said publicly at the time that you suffered from both of those eating disorders prior

to the miss universe contest and really you know have come into -- >> no, no, never. never plier the miss universe pageant. i never had any problem before miss universe. >> this is from the "washington post". >> sorry. >> let me tell you what i'm referring to. the washington post from may 16, 1997 reported this quote from you, i was anorexic and bloodstreamic but almost all of us are. when u was preparing for miss universe it was an obsession for me to not gain weight. by the time i won i was actually recovering, but the year leading to it i didn't eat at all. and whatever i ate i threw up. i weighed 116 pounds when i won. i was skeletal. so it sounds like without diminishing anything that you went through after trump, it does sound like you had an eating disorder prior to his

comments and his winning. no? >> no. i'm sorry but that was not true. maybe in that moment, the company, miss universe and in a specific this person, they manipulate a lot of information about me. i'm here because i know this person and he's not a good person. that is the point. the point is no more abuse for us. no more abuse for the girls. if you gain weight, if you don't look the most beautiful girl in the world, you have your mind, your have your heart, you are strong, you are intelligent. and in the future that ladies can be a president too. why not. >> i thank you for your time and i congratulate you on your american citizenship. all the best to you. >> thank you very much. i'm really proud of that.

and well, you know, we need to change minds and to respect for all of the womans in the country. that's it. >> take care. joining me now with more within katrina pearson. good to see you. >> thank you. >> listen. so the only reason i pressed her on our prior statements the public is trying to decide whether she is credible, whether they can believe the specific allegations, right, miss piggy and in particular miss housekeeping which has a whole different connotation, right? >> absolutely. >> having said that, there's no question that he really derabe d her about her weight and was so sensitive about her weight. and you know there with so many americans out there and you know how it makes them feel. why shouldn't that hold that against him? >> i think if we look at the context, we're talking about beauty pageants.

these individuals have a weight clause in their contract. this was not something that mr. trump just did. this is organization wide. we can look at 2011 when miss san antonio was told she had to lose weight in order to compete for texas. there's a reason that the diet was published in shape magazine. >> she's called some women fat pigs. he's very into body shape of women. >> absolutely. mr. trump owned a beauty pageant and that's where some of that comes from. this is also entertainment and television. when you look at the woman for example, like his wife and daughters, they say he treats everyone the same. we can't pull out one section of women and say he only does this to woman. he criticizes those who criticize him. >> he says you can't be a ten if you're flat chested. >> i think everyone has their own opinion on what a ten is. but i will say this particular

charge is extremely important because a as you asked her to back up the statement of what he said, did he or did he not, are there any witnesses who can back up the claim of what you said. that's what is catching fire here, the miss housekeeping is bringing on a worse connotation. >> but miss piggy is bad toonchts but she didn't back any of that up. >> here is trump on stern talking about her. >> you whipped this fat slob into shape. i don't know how you did it. god bless you. you whipped her into shape and held the hole pageant together. >> that was an amazing one. >> how did you chip her into shape? >> she went from 118 almost to 170. >> and you got her back there. >> she gained 55 pounds in a period of nine months. he was like a eating machine. i guess she ate a lot of everything >> he also said in one of the previous clips i'm the same way, i like to eat too.

this is the context of a beauty pageant. that's getting lost in translation. the current miss universe, if you go to her workout page, there's a ton of posts about her working out in a gym. but we're talking about things allegedly that donald trump said, not what he actually said. >> a lot of this is on tape. >> but calling her those names, that's not on tape and there are no witnesses. we need to be focusing on hillary clinton and what she did to that 12-year-old girl what was brutally raped to point that she could no longer have children. that's permanent and sticks with a woman and she laughed about it. >> that's a longer story to get in for another night. former candidate howard dean finds a now way to define taking the low road. before taking his team to state for the first time...

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developing tonight, are all americans racist?

most of the media today focused on fact checking mr. trump's remarks on crime rates while very few took a deeper dive on this from mrs. clinton. >> secretary clinton last week you said we have to do everything possible to improve policing to go at implicit bias. do you believe that police are implicitly bias against black people? >> i think too many of us in our great country jump to conclusions about each other. and therefore i think we need all of us to be asking hard questions about why am i feeling this way. >> marc thiessen is a fox news contributor. marc, what do you make of the comments? >> i guess we're all deplorable now. before it was just half of

trump's supporters are racist, now we're all racists. the reality is she was asked on a nationally televised broadcast the question do you believe police are implicitly biassed against black people. the proper answer to that is of course not. the vast majority of police officers are good decent honorable people who risk their lives to protect us and they are not racists. she did not say that. there's a myth out there that there's an epidemic of race-based police shootings. it's not true. harvard university had a study this summer, they look at over 1300 police shootings over 15 years. you know what they found? zero race bias in police shootings. in fact they found police were more likely to fire their weapon when they weren't attacked when the suspect was white. this idea that police are out there shooting people

willy-nilly is false. >> she could sense the danger there so she encapsulated everybody saying implicit bias is a problem for everyone. there's many people who believe that that we have an inherent fear of the other. whatever the other may be. >> there's a big difference between bias and racist. everybody is inherently bias. 80% of americans, there's a project called the bias project. the inherent bias project and it measured 88% of americans have some form of implicit bias. but that doesn't mean racism. and that also includes law enforcement. that's a danger zone for her politically. but the reality is why not be with study. uc davis did a study that showed unarmed black men are three and a half time for likely to be shot and killed by plifs than white men. also a study saying that blacks

fatally shot are two times more likely to be shot even though they're not an eminent threat based on white men who are an imminent threat to the police officers. >> so you're saying that the police officers are biases and racists. this is the myth out there. it's not true that there's an epidemic of race-based shooting in america. a perfect example is what happened in charlotte. if you looked at the "the new york times" this morning, they talked about a black man shot to death by an officer last tuesday. they don't point out in the story that the officer who shot him was black. it doesn't come up. >> it eats completely forgotten that the man who was shot in that case was indeed armed, he had a gun registered to him with, he had an ankle holster. up next, why howard dean is suggesting that donald trump was

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our country is in deep trouble. they're taking our jobs. it's very important to me. you're wrong. >> so trump had the nerve to

sniffle last night and now the critics have gone from suggesting that he may have been sick to suggesting he was using drugs. msnbc contributor and former presidential candidate howard dean tweeting out a message, notice trump sniffling all of the time. coke user? here's what he said. >> you can't make a diagnosis over the television. i would never do that. but he has some interesting -- that is actually a signature of people who use cocaine. >> so that's gross. and he's gross and he just lectured us on hillary clinton's health saying she should take a few days off and take care of that pneumonia. howie kurtz is here. how out of line is this in. >> this is way beneath somebody of howard dean's stature to see him resort to the tactics is

just sad. what a ludicrous charge, a 70-year-old man who doesn't even drink alcohol is suddenly doing a lot of blow? you know, dean had a chance to apologize for the tweet and instead he stooped lower. >> is this just like trolling trump? >> i mean he smeared him. >> it's defamatory. >> absolutely. and there's a serious question here for msnbc. the network that went of conservative critics -- i also was critical of those who pedalled bogus health rumors about hillary clinton. is the network to tolerate or condone what howard dean said? i didn't see many in the mainstream press going after this either. >> there's no basis for that. and you know by the way, we all sniffle. it's the fall. i have allergies. i've never done drugs in my

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to clarify the charlotte cops, they say he was found with a gun with his fingerprints on it. the gun was not registered to him. the thief said it sold it to scott. thoughts on the debate tomorrow. tonight, let me just can you this. you've been doing this for 30 years. why are you just thinking about these solutions right now? >> the candidates clashed in an epic presidential debate showdown. >> i have a feeling by the end of this evening i'm going to be blamed for everything. >> trump offered substance by a robotic hillary clinton repeated her memorized lines written by someone else. laura ingraham and herman kaine are here to react. >> you are going to drive business out. >> then trump hit clinton hard over her big government proposals. >> look at the middle east.