injured when the train barrelled in the hoboken station. the station part of the new jersey transit system and one of the busiest transit hubs in the nation. it was in the end of the line and twisted wreckage landing inside of the waiting area of the passenger station. the national transportation safety board is investigating. witnesses on and off of the train said it pulled in at full speed. >> it was just initially a horrendous exploding noise and

concrete, dust and electrical wires and a train flying into the depo. i couldn't believe what i was seeing. >> rick was among the first reporters on the scene. he joins us live with the latest. >> john, new jersey trandzit is one of the largest transportation system and this hoboken terminal one of the busiest stations and 15000 people boarding trains. it was transit 1614 out of spring valley, new york. it left 7:20 and arrived at 8:45 with estimated 250 people on board. it came in way too fast near top speed and crashed over bumper

and into a concrete wall. some say it flew 40 feet in the air smashing in the ceiling. the front car heavily damaged. many passengers were on the front two cars, waiting and standing to get off of the train and they were thrown about. 100 injuries many of them critical. one confirmed fatality, a woman standing on the subway platform waiting for the train to come in hit by flying debreechlt the port authority emergency service unit extraicated two people in the front of the train one of them the engineer in critical condition. one fatality and 100 seriously injured. there were dozens of people coming out of the train station and first responders arriving

with blanss and helping to wrap blanket and get them to safety. many of the people shell shocked and traumatized and saying things went dark on the train. many bleeding passengers. some crawled off of the plane and others helped off of the train to first responders who got them to area hospitals where they are receiving treatment. it is an awful scene. the ntsb has a investigative team on sight. and the federal rail rod administration train investigators are here and beginning the investigation on what may have caused the crash. we are hearing reports about the engineer having a health issue. my source inside of the investigation.

the engineer was semiconscious and vague. he is one many need to speak with and figure out why the train was way too fast and left the track and so many were hurt. the search begins now. bill hemmer in america's newsroom is in hoboken as well. bill, i heard you speaking earlier about this hole ptt. they are not installed on on the new jersey trains, but they are man dated to be installed by 2018? >> reporter: that is correct, heather. good afternoon and we wait to hear what went wrok here. the system has been incorporated on train systems in various parts of the country. ? states have it already. california, pennsylvania and colorado. but not new york. it is man dated to be installed

in 2018. it is to cut down on human error. overwhelmingly, the reason for train accidents, come back to human decision or distraction or human error on board of the train. we can't say that that was the case here. but looking at the track record of indicating that. and how much information and investigation are they getting from the engineer? they don't know. if the rear engine came to push. that is a physic that is so powerful and overwhelming, it would take a conkret to stop the train this size. many passengers spoke, as we tried to piece the story together. they described a scone of chaos. a large sound once the collision of steel, concrete and broken

glass came together. and so many people breaking glass to get out. and safety experts saying how they were trying to keep people inside of the car because of fear of elect trocution. that is always a concern, but you as a passenger on board of the of the car, what are are you going to do, fight for survival and get out. heather, i take the subway in manhattan and it is with a large measure of trust and faith and climb on board and expect to be delivered to your station safely. i can tell you for the greater majority of people that is what happens. like being a passenger on the airplane. you trust the pilot to get you there. what happened with the engineer and mechanics on board 8:45 a.m. when the train barrelled in the station in hoboken, new jersey.

we might get answers when the briefing begins. but for now, 15000 people a day come through the station and 75000 in a regular work week. it is a busy place. but now a place of chaos and destruction. >> we know first responders got there quickly. 8:45. and they received the patients around nine be -- 9:15. the positive train control. it was 3.5 billion. and what i understand there was a deadly of 2015. and then that was extended? >> reporter: it was delayed and there is criticism. 2018 is the date. that may be the cause, heather,

but we don't know. it is a little bit of caution to see if that could have prevented what we had here today or not. we are on stand by for that. >> bill hemmer, thank you. >> there is a airport and railroad engineering expert and joins us live by phone. what are the first questions in your mind, as you look at what took place in hoboken this morning? >> i think you touched on some of them. and bill hemmer mentioned it. and it was a condition of the engineer. first and foremost, the engineer is in control of the train. he gets signals and he has certain rowels that he's supposed to follow when coming in to the station and he has the controls that make it happen. and so the question is why? i think someone mentioned that

there is a speck oulgz that he had a catastrophe medical emergency. i heard someone else talking and looking at video it was going 10-15 miles per hour. and without the black box coming out and telling us how fast the train was going and whether brake application was being made, those are the things that need to be looked at. >> what p a brake failure. sometimes brakes fail on car and do they on trains? >> they fail safe. unlike your automobile and the hollywood movies where the bad guy cuts the break lines on the hero's car just as he's going down a steep hill and the brakes don't work. the nowed in a train brake is air. and if that fluid evaporates or leaks out, it will set the brakes. and if something like that

occurred, then the train would go in emergency and stop. you would not be operating without brakes. it can happen, but on older style trains. for example 1953 in pennsylvania railroad when a tlan crashed in the station. but the type of equipment used on the new jersey transit would not have that feature and if that was the case it would have stoppeded in the station before. it doesn't accidentally break. >> tell me about the physical controls that the engineer was using. come maybe a clutch. and on a train, controls are generally operated by hand, a rheostat that the engineer holds on to. >> not unlike a tloelths on an upon aircraft. okay. he has a number of controls

ahead of him. and he might have one that is a tloelths. might be combipination of tloelths and brake. and he pull its back when he wants the brake. he might have a independent brake. and he might have a mushroom button to put the plane in emergency. those are the features that he has. he might have a system that is instead of having a signal telling him where to go. he will show up real- time on the display on his console. and he will know whether he needs to slow down or not. >> so if an engineer were stricken by a fainting spell or heart attack. what devices are in place to slow down the train.

>> a lot of train trains have a dead man's intech and or an ilater are. and he has to inning acknowledged and there may be a signaling system. and you talked about positive train control. there is a portion of train control that existed over 40 or 50 years called automatic train protection or cab signaling. and if that is in police, when a train goes past a particular location and gets a code that says slow the train down. if the engineer does not acknowledge the code and take action, the train will do it for him. now, when you come in a complex with hoboken, with all of these

trains. they may slow down. it is like the flight directors they will bring you a couple of hundred feet of the runway. and they expect the pilot will manually hand the plane. don't know what the signal system is like in hoboken. at this point, i can't speak to it. they may decide at this point, is it the track complex. or track arrangement is so complex, it would be hard to put in all of these signals. we'll allow the may have just gone off and then he had a heart attack. i ever the that will come out the ntsb starts investigating. >> you mentioned aircraft. i know you are a pilot.

commercial pilots have to get checked every six months. is it similar for train crews? >> i don't require what the health requirement it. it could be where you fet inspected every year. hair transport it a charter line is every year. and then class three, which is a little one is every three years. >> 2- 3 years depending on age. >> depending on age and what you are flying. >> right, gus, aviation and railroad expert. we appreciate your ensight. thank you very much. >> and our coverage continues,

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the most important coming from witnesses. this is the high rate of speed in which the train came barrelling in the hoboken station. anied ideas on what caused that. probably the conductor had a health issue? >> i am hearing that speculation as well and governor christie said let the facts drive the issue here. we need more information. but this also says heather that we need to see what is going on with the black boxes and now speeding trains. we had a silver streak movie with the movie today. and we need to see what is going on in the train. and just as we put them in the air bus. we need to put it in the cloud to find out what is going on in the train upon with a health or safety breach. and more importantly, heather,

we need to make sure how we do wireless and gps communication and we will know where the trains are and know the speeds. and when it barrelled in the hoboken station. it caused a structural breach of the hoboken terminal station. when we have our silver streak moment, there was tremendous amount of injury because of the failure of the terminal. >> the positive train control man dateded to be involved by 2018. and something else i spoke about is the alerter to be in place if something happened to the conductor. do you know if these trains have

that? >> not yiet yet. we have a lot of technologies that are just crewing all over the world. we have them in ourp and canada. and the united states is slower on the stress. pee tuck about's high speed train. and updating that is >> we have to know what is figure onned in of the coming pick. and also the safety of the train itself it. >> they have to have control systems of breaking. and human factor errorses that are coming in. and i am seeing linkage between the airway and rail system.

thank you for joining us. a lot of insight for us. >> so there are all kinds of questions of what happened this morning. dramatic stories of survival as we await the news conference on what happenedment -- happened.

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>> a fox nows alert as we watch the recovery after this morning's deadly train crash in new jersey. one person confirmed dead and 100 injured when the commute are train came to the hoboken station. the good news is, that's injuries are turning out to are

journey we west new york. and what is the latest. >> reporter: we know that there are 68 injured. 17 in hoboken university medical center. 6 or 7 blocks away. all are in stable condition and expected to be okay. here in the jersey city medical center, this is the trauma, level two trauma center here new jersey. 41 are the walking wounded. and they have cut and bruises and lacerations and they are in if the cafeteria triage. and eight are in hessserious. and three are in most serious condition. they are in intensive care and operating rooms. everyone so manies to -- seems

to be walking away. david is from new jersey. and after david, we spoke to amy. david was in the first car when the train crashed and amy was in the fourth listen what they had to say. the lights went out and it didn't stop. and the people falling over and the roof caved in. >> how close was that to you. >> it was right there. it was surreal. when it first shimmied, i thought it was going to be a life changer. and it is then the impact and it was life changing. >> where did you know. >> faster than normal coming in the station. it was over crowded because there was a car short.

i only hope who ever was running the train and driving the train had a medical problem and it was nothing other because it is to tragic for everyone. nsaved and davis david said he saw blood and injuries. he escaped from the first car. he escaped from the first car thu a window and it so manied and iffy they were going to stampede. and but amy hurt her she's been on the train 30 years and scared of getting on the trap given what she went thu. her traep it is two of the many,

many, victims of the crash. >> in terms of all of the injured. do you know how many on the traun or sebs how about the three that are most serious that >> they will not get in terthey upon on the trap -- train. and those with the serious conditions, we know they had orthpedic injuries and one in ic, intensive care. and the hospital believes that they are nonlife threatening injuries to the extent that

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>> we continue our coverage of the terrible accident in hoboken, new jersey and we have a new's conference scheduled to begin any moment now. we start to dr. patty in new york. dr. patty, i would think by now, you you have seen the images of the car shredded bite concrete train flat form. what are your thoughts that there is only one fatality. and three people critically injured. >> we want the least number of fatalities. looking to the damage and ceiling makes me concerned about the type of injuries. we have been involved in more of

these we car. >> and many times people are trapped and it needs to be secured so the first responders can remove the patients. >> for you in the fold. you have to shake snap decision and there are pranan ium; >> we have a tream we look at the voilths sees and we have it died wo gets immediate treatment until they get to the hospital. depending on the number of casulties, sometimeses we will treat at the scene and others we

will scoop and run and get them to trauma center. like mine or jersey central. >> and this being a crowded area, hospitalses are not that far away. but the roads are crowded that time of the morning of trying to get time with the hospital. >> we enjoy the 911 system. and thee -- we have a notification system. and we'll mobilize all of the resources and so thatty we have cancelled non. >> and you talk about the crushed injuries and the like.

one fatality was a woman hit by flying debris and there must have been a lot of that with a train coming in fast like this was. >> in many cases, people can get injured, maimed or killed by flying debeak broik maybe youle and get hit for more many time its is the debris that kills the folks. and in a hurry up area like new york. trains are pulling in the platform and i am one of them. i stand up so i can charge out of doors and get about my day. >> you have had lot of people

standing. and the seats are not exactly padded. but standing up would be far worse. >> we are are strapped in our automatic. and now you are standing in a car, similar if i can use the analo analogy . in a rush to escape they are trampled and they are not intentionally wanting to hurt people but it is a recipe for disaster. >> thank you. >> one person killed and 74 others taken to the area hospitals. and three injured. and we'll have the latest on the commuter train that crashed in hoboken, new jersey. we'll have the new's conference and go to bill hemmer live on

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. . . .you. we ever following breaking developments on the packed commuter trap that crashed 8:45 in hoboken, new jersey. and one person was killed and 100 taken to the hospital and three in critical condition as well. as we wait for the new's conference that is scheduled to gip any moment now. we'll go to bill hemmer, archingor of america's newsroom. >> there will be the governor of new york and new jersey and mayor of hoboken? >> you are exactly right, heather governor christie was in our area two hours ago and he said there was no indication but

a tragic accident. governor cuomo was on the way to israel for perez funeral. and that has been cancelled. and we are on the west side of the hudson river parallel to new york city. this is 26 miles as a bird flies north of here in spring valley new york. it is a train that makes the same commute every day and every morning. it winds through park ridge and teeterborough, new jersey. we may have the governors here

now. the passengers disembark. we believe at this point there were four car and a total of 250 passengers on board of whom are hundred are heard injured and 75 treated here. and two if critical condition and three serious. among the critical is the conductor on board. he was injured. we don't know the condition he is in or response he can give. it was said to be a typical morping and passengers are going throughout the day. and you get lost in your commute

and so many things are a force of habit and as you imagine many were going through that. and maybe a few minutes late. the only indication they had something was not right was the eyewitness and passengers. when they came in the train station in hoboken, it did not stop. it could have been traveling 30 pipes. >> we are on stand by here in hoboken, right across the river from you in manhattan. >> and hoboken has the highest percentage of riders.

and ten this happened people would have been passing through there at that time. and rick leaventhol was reporting. and they were extraicated from the first car. have you heard anything about the conductor in his state before the crash occurred? he possibly was incapacitated. >> i don't know. i can't answer that fact right now. the train was pushed from a rear engine and the lead cars held the passengers and perhaps the conductor. we don't know about his condition or medical condition if he was suffering. and i am going to walk with caution until they tell us if any of that is a factor.

>> maybe that is one of the pieces of information we'll find out in the news conference. >> thank you, bill. >> there have been long criticism of the idea of using a pusher engine behind the commuter train. they are so heavy and carry mass. if a problem occurs in the front of the train. the engine where you are accustomed to the caboose being, the engine will push and push. whether anything changes as a result of this accident, it is too early to tell. it is a long- time criticism. >> witnesses described it as a horrendous exploding noise. >> we'll be back with more on the train derailment in the hoboken station this morning and perhaps the new's conference

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the investigation just getting underway into what went wrong with a train in hoboken this morning. one person killed, 100 others hurt. three of them serious to critical. jim matthews is president and ceo of the national association of railroad passengers. jim, when you first heard about what happened this morning at hoboken, what thoughts came to your mind? >> well, the very first thoughts i had were for the first responders on the scene. you know, i spent 13 years in the fire rescue, and i know how tough it is for those guys -- those ladies and gentlemen to be doing that work. so my thought was those folks.

so public transit and commuter rail is really a very safe way to travel. even today as we think about what happened -- >> sure. >> but we really can and should make safer. >> and what are your suggestions? what's number one on your priority list to that end? >> well, certainly positive train control has been an issue for quite a long time. the national transportation safety board has been calling for positive train control for over 45 years. ptc has been really on the front burner in terms of policy for the last eight years. congress authorized more than $1 billion over five years to deploy safety technology including positive train control. and so far they've appropriated zero. so positive train control is certainly one of the things that popped to my mind pretty quickly this morning. >> it's my understanding that only about 30% of the trains running in this country have positive train control. so the technology is there.

it's just a matter of the political will and finding the money. >> political will and finding the money, that's exactly right. i mean, there are 23 commuter railroads operating in the u.s. a handful of them have gone ahead and done their implementation. you know, even septa right next to new jersey transit, they're a pretty good job and pretty close to being on top of ptc. like i said, 30% of commuter locomotives were equipped in the last year, so we have a long way to go. >> are there estimates as to what it would cost say per train or per railroad? it just seems that, you know, in a day and age when electronics have made our lives so much easier and in some respects safer, i mean, you've got self-braking cars, for crying out loud, on the highway. why can't they put these things on trains? >> you know, that's a question that our members ask all the

time. depending on who you talk to, the estimate for getting ptc implemented nationally on the commuter rail system, it's about $3.5 billion. which again, sounds like an awful lot of money, but commuter railroads have already spent $950 million, congress has only provided $250 million. and there is $1 billion out there that is authorized for this kind of work. and zero's been spent. so it is sometimes just a question of just getting it done, not going down and getting it done. the big issue for a lot of folks seems to be getting the radio spectrum that they need for the various boxes and radios talk to one another. that has been a stumbling block for a lot of systems, and it's one of the reasons a lot of the system ask for an extension. but that said it's not an obstacle necessarily because clearly we've seen some systems that have been able to implement positive train control. so really it's just a question of making it a priority and

getting it done. >> well, again, sometimes one incident like this can change the momentum, get things rolling in a different direction on issues like this. jim matthews, we appreciate your insight. thanks very much. >> thanks for having me, john. >> we're going to be back with more happening now in just a moment.

the governors of new york and right there at the podium, new jersey, speaking about this derailment accident in hoboken this morning. let's listen in. >> -- family of the one fatality that we have confirmed for her and for her family.

we now have a revised total of injured. we had 108 injured in this accident. and all of those have been evacuated to local hospitals where they're receiving the care they need. we pray for their recovery. the engineer who was operating the train was also critically injured. he is at a local hospital and cooperating with law enforcement officials in the investigation. what we know is that this train came in at a high rate of speed into the station. and crashed through all of the barriers bringing it right to the interior wall of the hoboken terminal. extraordinary reaction from local law enforcement and ems along with civilian passengers who assisted ems and local police and state police in evacuating the trains as quickly

as possible. and helping with the triage of the passengers who were injured and getting them immediately to local hospitals for them to receive health care. they'll be others who will speak today about some of the specifics, commissioner hammer, mr. pentergrast from the mta. both governor cuomo and i come from a law enforcement background. as does lieutenant governor. my admonition when i was u.s. attorney all the time to my prosecutors and agents was, don't jump to conclusions, let the facts lead you to the proper conclusions. and so we're not going to speculate about the cause of the accident. the fact is that we're in the midst of an investigation. i was called by the white house today as well. they have not only dispatched the ntsb and the federal railway administration, but also have pledged any resources that we need additionally to deal with

the victims or to deal with what's happened here at the hoboken terminal. we're pleased to get that call. as i said to the number of you earlier today, from the time that the incident happened this morning, governor cuomo and i have been in communications since the train began its journey today in the state of new york. and we have a number of new york citizens who were on that train as welcoming here to new jersey. so we're going to work together to make sure that the investigation is seamless and coordinated. that we come to a conclusion as quickly as possible. and if there are steps that need to be taken thereafter, to provide for even greater assurance of safety for the people of our states so you can be assured we'll work together through the port authority of new york and new jersey, mta and new jersey transit to make sure that that occurs. and so we, again, we pray for the victims and their families. we are on the scene. we're going to continue to monitor what's going on. we have engineers that are examining the structural

integrity of the building now. we have no estimate as to when the terminal will be able to be reopened except to say that it appears that the p.a.t.h. terminal, the structural integrity there is fine. and so that p.a.t.h. trains will be able to use the terminal. as for the new jersey transit portion, we don't have an estimate yet on that. we're going to need some time to do that. i want to turn this over to governor cuomo. we'll also have commissioner hammer and mta director prentergast to make comments and then governor cuomo and i will come back to take on-topic questions. governor cuomo. >> thank you. thank you very much. first i'd like to thank governor christie and his entire team for their outstanding response to this tragedy. thank you, lieutenant governor, for being here. and all the first responders. we know what happened. we don't know why it happened. as governor christie said, the train obviously came in at too high a rate of speed. it didt