harris: it's a fine monday this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. host of "kennedy" on fox business kennedy. from fbn, dagen mcdowell. democratic strategist, julie roginsky. today's #oneluckyguy, there is a doctor in the house, former presidential candidate and trump supporter dr. ben carson. we is outnumbered. we did a little instagram together. >> we did. harris: this is nitty-gritty as we head into the election. >> there a lot to talk about. >> my knee hurts. so we'll talk about that. kennedy: with obamacare you get as much free advice as you can. julie: dagen is hits him up for a prescription. harris: i will use my brain. let's begin with 36 days to to donald trump's taxes are in the spotlight following the stunning report in the "new york times." at an appearance in the past hour at a veterans event in

virginia, the candidate made no mention of "the times" claims that he lost one billion dollars on tax returns or returns plural in the mid '90s. which may have allowed him to legally avoid paying any federal taxes for 18 years. legally is the word i used. to his critics they say he has been a tax dodger for years, but his closest advisors have an entire different take on it. >> my response is he is genius. i mean reality -- >> genius? >> absolute genius. perfectly legal application of the tax code and he would have been a fool not to take advantage of it. >> the genius of donald trump has been to make sure that he follows the law which is exactly what he's done, and politically he has said, that he is going to change these laws and there is no one who is better suited to change these laws. harris: the clinton campaign quickly pounced on the allegations contained in "the times" report. and saying it shows that trump, quote, embody as rigged system,

and while clinton herself made no mention of his taxes on the campaign trail yesterday, hillary clinton did tweet this. three pages of trump's tax returns confirm his, he is a business failure who has gotten rich at your expense. imagine what he is doing in the rest or hiding in the rest of them. so you have run for president and you have had people dig into every part of your life. what are your thoughts on this? >> well there are a couple of things i think are big take ways here. first of all, anybody who knows much about big business knows that it's a gamble. and there are failures and there are successes. thomas edison said he new 999 way as light bulb did not work. most of you heard the cleaning formula 409. why do they call it? because the first 408 didn't work. you have to gather information from this, you have to learn from these things and move forward. so there are a lot of successful

business people who can tell you about gigantic failures that they have had. the question is can they rebound? and can they come back from that and build something that's great? that is what really needs to be looked at. kennedy: to that point very quickly, bill gates said, he said this, that it is an important quote from him he won't hire anyone unless they have encountered great failure in their life. >> well that's where it comes from. that is where wisdom comes from, if you derive it. now some people just allow themselves to be beaten down, they give up and say poor me. julie: in fairness we don't know whether rebounded or not because he still won't release taxes. let me say a couple things and actually quote from donald trump himself. quote, half of americans don't pay income taxes despite crippling government debt. donald trump in february of 2012. barack obama wants to raise all of our taxes only pays 20.5% on $790,000 salary. do as i say, not as i do, donald trump. april 2012. everyone is starting to feel the

new tax hikes. you get what you vote for. donald trump, january of 2013, i can go on. the problem here is, you have hypocrite who himself has, by his, by his tacit admission not paid any taxes since i've been in college. i'm way past that now. as a result of that is instructing other people as not only how they have to pay their taxes but is in fact telling the rest of us we have to pick up his tax burden renn because he is failure at business. he is failed businessman and rest of his pick up his taxes. harris: that is how you interpret it. the way he and others talked about it, it is duty of the person at the head of the corporation to try to work within a system legally that is already set up to pay as little as possible. i mean that is kind of the game that is played at corporate level. which is why this is legal. then the question becomes do you believe donald trump when he says, yes, he used a rig 9 system, that is how he knows how to fix it. >> the other big story out of this is that we have a tax

system that is in dire need of revision. harris: does this show how much revision is needed. >> i want to point out something dr. carson proposed in his tax plan when he was running for the republican nomination, he believed everybody should pay something. $100 minimum tax everybody would pay in. that means every single american is a stakeholder in this country. every single american is helping pay for our military. i think that, but in terms of the -- >> i'm glad you read my plan. >> we talked about it about before. the political messaging, using the word genius, his surrogates whether rudy giuliani or -- harris: him on debate stage saying smart. >> they need to say, hey, anybody who has self-employment income knows that you can write off business losses even for years to come. this is something, anybody, any entrepreneur, any even small business owner knows how complicated the tax code is and knows how to basically pay the least amount. harris: again, this was legal. this is legal.

so now the anger becomes, a man who had a multibillion-dollar corporation was able to write down a billion dollar loss nearly. i mean that's, commensurate. just different than a small business because they are not making as much. julie: he is llc, with all due respect. the same way most small businesses are llc. don't pretend he is a grand corporation. harris: like i said small businesses not commensurate. because it they aren't making a a billion dollars. julie: we don't know what he made. he should release the rest, that he is genius at losing money. the tax plan which i read, average person, .01% would get $1.3 million extra on donald trump. he is not fixing the plan. making it easier like people for him to game the system. rest of us who don't have accountants, we're paying for roads and wars people like him -- harris: get the doctor in her. >> gas tax has nothing to do

with that. income tax doesn't pay for the roads. >> sure it does. it goes into the general fund unfortunately. that is why the tax system is screwed up. if donald trump were smart he would say to people, you know what? i figured out a way to pay less taxes legally. you haven't done that you have paid way too much in taxes. what have you gotten for it? government is a failure on, i know that is not what he is saying, that is what he should say. >> for a calm relaxed response. harris: please. >> okay. first of all, first of all, you know, i think what donald should ask hillary in the next debate do you hire accountants to do your taxes to make sure you don't pay more than you have to? i would love to hear the response because if she says, yes, then she says, you're doing exactly the same thing that i and millions of americans are doing. if she says no, then he says, and you want us to put you in charge of everything whether you're not, responsible.

that is kind of question he should ask. the other thing he needs to point out is, he has hired tens of thousands of people and there are other thousands of people who derive income from his businesses. they pay taxes. a lot of taxes. what has hillary done? julie: she hasn't stiffed any people she has done business with, as far as i know. kennedy: her work is around the clinton foundation. that is her workaround. julie: can give you chapter and verse all the -- >> you have a tough job defending hillary. julie: i have a good job talking about trump's business acumen. he scammed everybody. harris: julie you said he is good ad losing money but you admitted you don't know how much he made. the write-down as opposed to. julie: agreed. donald trump show me. harris: donald trump comes under fire over his taxes he reportedly will try to flip the script. "the washington post" is

reporting that the republican nominee will show a stark contrast how he made his money and how the clintons made theirs. the paper says he will make the case starting today, that he built a global real estate empire employing a thousands of people while the clintons got rich on paid speeches. senior advisor jason miller told the post this. wealsmen the spotlight very brightly how the clintons made their money. they were so broke when they left the white house, you remember that, they couldn't pay either of their mortgages. they haven't invented anything. they haven't won powerball. they haven't billed a single hour of legal work yet they're worth couple hundred million dollars end quote. that is the point you were making. >> well, you know, it's pretty clear that something unusual is going on when people who are broke when they come out of the white house, now have over $100 billion, $100 million. you know, the pay for play scheme that is going on, no one's discounted that.

that is going on. and there have been, there has been evidence that that is going on. these speeches that are given, particularly on wall street, that we can't get the transcripts for, what has she been saying? and why is it that all of those people are contributing to her campaign and not to the other campaign? obviously there is a reason for it. it is not arbitrary. so, you know, i think the american people are actually a lot smarter than many in the progressive movement give them credit for. harris: you think they don't care about this, dagen? >> i think they care about when you abuse the power handed to you by the american people, how the clintons, hillary clinton and her husband bill, why do you think bill was getting paid that much money for that many years? because he had access to her in the state department and so did the clinton foundation. they clearly used her job as secretary of state for their own, to basically enrich themselves and power and in purse and she can talk about her

being an advocate for women and children all she wants to but she has been nothing but an advocate for herself and her own personal privilege and her elitist position, lording every liberals across the country. harris: kennedy, in the primary season time and time again we would see donald trump whether positive or negative, go into the next debate with all of the media focused in on him. he is doing it again. what risk does either of them run in terms of this moving forward? kennedy: obviously it is going to be a different format in the town hall debate in st. louis. we'll see different reactions from the candidates. you will see a lot more interaction, excuse me, from voters. voters have the exact same kind of questions both julie and dagen are posing. they want to know if these two people, one of whom who is going to run the country, if they are completely run by corruption themselves. if these are corrupt people, and have compromised their business

practices and their ethics and morals to the point where they're incapable of running the country. they're going to be asking hopefully about the clinton foundation, about the taxes. i think if donald trump were smart he would definitely shift the conversation over to this enormous tax shelter which is the clinton foundation and that pay for play, i'm sorry, you know the fact that they were selling access and she will more than likely become the next president of the united states, it has egregious consequences for the rest of us. harris: yeah. some critics of the debate from donald trump's perspective were disappointed he didn't do that and didn't understand why he might not have done it. i want to give you a quick last word. julie: dr. carson i know exactly how you're able to make a living. you're a brilliant brain surgeon. i know how everybody else make as living. i know donald trump make as living somewhat, run a lot of businesses into the ground, the plaza, trump steaks, trump vodka. the problem this man sold himself a brilliant businessman can do what he done for business. all we know he has done for

business taken a almost one billion dollars loss. harris: that is not all we know. julie: that is all we know. he won't share taxes. we know list of failures encountered running businesses and how many people he stiffed on way doing that, little guys that have to pay their taxes, while he is not. that is difficulty donald trump faces. >> we actually know more than that because he had to do financial disclosure. julie: self-reported, sir is. we have to see real documents. not things he self-reporting. >> i had to do one. it is real document. and verified. julie: i believe you did a real document. i'm not so sure about him. harris: donald trump ramming up his attacks against hillary clinton questioning whether she is loyal to her husband. we're less than a week before the next debate. is it a good strategy to go personal? "saturday night live" kicked off the 40th season with parody of the presidential debate. alec baldwin will play donald trump. he will do so throughout the elections. do voters pay attention to

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♪ jo sing along. donald trump ramming up his rhetoric against hillary clinton. watch what he said at a rally over the weekend. >> hillary clinton's only loyalty is to her financial

contributors and to herself. i don't even think she is loyal to bill, you want to know the truth. [shouting] and really, folks, really, why should she be, right? she is supposed to fight all of these different things, and she can't make it 15 feet to her car. give me a break. kennedy: there he is is, president-elect trump. after that comment he imitated hillary stumbling to her car after the 9/11 ceremony this did comes a week before the next presidential debate he will be under a lot of pressure to show he is ready for the white house. "washington post" is reporting that that hub -- republicans that trump will listen to advisors and not fall into hillary's traps. let me talk to you about that, dr. carson. you've been working with the republican nominee. what would you say he has to do differently between debates one and two and are you confident he will do it?

>> i am very confident he will do it. first of all a lot of people criticize him for leaving a lost material on the table. but the fact of the matter is, you know the media, if he talked about it at the first debate, second debate, and third debate, he keeps something about the same stuff. there is nothing new. you know how they like to do that. he will bring the things up at appropriate time. what is essential he doesn't follow hillary down the rat hole. that is only way she can win. she is completely bankrupt when it comes to ideas on taxes, on regulations, on education, or prison reform or on how to revive the economy, on jobs. nothing that she can say on those things. so, only things she can do is to get these psychiatrists to help her find a way to push his buttons. kennedy: all right. so, i want to talk about that a little bit because hillary clinton did lay several traps for him that he seemed to walk right into. harris: can we talk about the timing when she did that though?

you know, she had a full hour and several minutes before those things came up. they were almost, i'm leaving the lecturn and oh, by the way, have you heard of this person and have you heard of this and -- i, clearly knew from the reporting that they were going to be one-liner ready. you had to have known based on her past, her experience that. kennedy: she said that. harris: her team will do the research it takes to give her some fire. the question is, the debate was almost over. did she feel it was desperately necessary at that point to bring those up? >> well it worked. she did it monday night and he is face first digging into the rat hole in the wee hours of friday morning. so they knew what they were doing. and it worked. but, what he did over the weekend, you know, as long as he is going after her, i think that is a heck of a lot more effective than talking about miss universe from rough 20 years ago. harris: what about going after her husband. >> bill clinton is fair game. he ran the country for eight years.

harris: do you think voters care? >> i think voters care to the extent they are a pair who are corrupt. if you will. they have been -- kennedy: talk about this a little bit, julie. i think what he did in the debate was not necessarily effective. he didn't have good counterpunches and defensive when he didn't have to be and went into traps needlessly. people said he could have hit her harder precisely on policy. also he said himself that he held back on the barbs. that seems to be what he is doing this week. will that be more effective in st. louis. julie: we talked about it on friday. i still stand by this, worst mistake he can make, i sincerely mean this, somebody who absorbed this for 20 years is to go after her for bill clinton's infidelities what he is threatening to do, what he has done since the debate. only makes her a victim. i said this for years. you and i talked about this on friday. nothing more effective at being a victim. polling numbers consistently

went off after monica. they will go up again now. harris: why he didn't do it. julie: he basically did. harris: he said family was in the audience. do you think that is why he didn't go after her? >> i think he eventually did. we talked about this before also. there is the two debates. there is the debate and post-debate analysis. minutes he got off the stage and i would have done this but satchel tee and. huge mistake. white college educated women. kennedy: the way he -- >> i'm not sure it's a mistake at all. the fact of the matter is, a lot of young people, a lot of millenials, they don't know about all this stuff, because the media for most part stays away from it. it needs to be brought up, but in terms of hillary, not so much bill's infidelity as it is the fact that she savaged the women who were involved and claims to be this great champion of women. kennedy: again i think that she could play the victim there because she could say, what would you do if you thought that your husband was cheating on you. >> kick him out of the house.

kennedy: congratulate the person that did that? she has to be careful there. what donald trump can say, what is worst. you say i'm a misogynist. you will have a predator living in the white house. why don't we let people decide. julie: trump has same background. he is not pure as driven snow. he doesn't have infidelities. rudy joule, his number one surrogate says everybody cheats. that is not fair tiff. if that is the -- >> you say trump had an affair with intern in the oaf valve office. julie: trump cheated on his wife. trump has allegations of him of sexual assault by first wife. there are things donald trump doesn't want brought up. reality if you kest at any timely blame the wife, not husband, but wife cheatings on her -- kennedy: bill clinton and bill cosby have more in common than their first name. julie: that is not hillary clinton. if you want to talk about that that is a big mistake. >> but the point is, that she,

says that she is a great champion for women and yet, when women are involved in something where she has herself said, you should always believe the woman first, why is she being -- julie: maybe she didn't want to believe against her husband. kennedy: calling women bill clinton had affairs bimbos and got double thumbs up. julie: big mistake for him to do that. women don't want to be blamed for their husband's infidelities. you can't blame a wife for disbelieving her husband's behavior no matter how naive she was. >> i got to tell you a secret. women are a lot smarter than you think they are. kennedy: oh, mercy. julie: that is not what i'm saying at all. women, you can not judge -- harris: last words. kennedy: we have a lot of energy and we also got hacked emails. those are not okay but a anonymously received tax documents are fair game. new questions of media bias surrounding "new york times"

decision to print donald trump's leaked tax records. why critics say the paper cherry-picks to fit to its agenda plus -- harris: could the honeymoon be over between bernie and hillary. his controversial remarks about his die-hard supporters ruffling some feathers. we will discuss.

♪ harris: go back to the top story. new questions about mainstream media bias at "the new york times" decided to publish what it claims are donald trump's tax returns that were mailed to them by anonymous source. yeah, they just popped up in the mailbox they said. critics calling the paper hypocritical because it once refused to published hacked emails that showed doubts about climate change. a "times" reporter at time quote, the documents appear to have been acquired illegally and contain all manner of private information and statements that were never intended for the public eye.

so they won't be posted here. but a quick sift of skeptics websites will point anyone to plenty of sources. trump camp says the documents were illegally obtained and threaten to sue. the reporter who broke the story says he has no case. >> we're hearing from trump's lawyer this morning threatening legal action against "the new york times." what are you guys saying about that. >> last time i question it wasn't a crime to check your mailbox so. >> they're saying this is ridiculous. >> it would be a crime for someone inside one of the tax departments, one of the state tax forms to heat the documents but not a crime to publish them? >> that is what our lawyers are saying. harris: we have lawyers too. we have the initial reaction from candidate donald trump. donald trump tweeted shortly after "the times" published story. i know our complex tax laws better than anyone who has ever run for president and only one

who can fix them. #"new york times." i wanted to check with legal sources to make sure i was clear on this there is federal law that no individual can release tax returns without the consent of the person who is the focus of the return. and when you get your taxes done you sign a document by places like h&r block, whatever, about that very topic. "the times" is arguing, well it popped up in the mailbox. we're not an individual. and golly, it is important we're ready to go to jail for it. >> unfortunately "the times" and many other news organizations have no sense of integrity. and the reason that the press is the only business that is protected by the united states constitution is because they're supposed to be honest and they're supposed to be on the side of the people. their founders realized it was going to be difficult for the country to be of, for and by the people and let the will of the people work if the people were ill-informed.

and the media was supposed to serve that purpose but when they take sides like "the new york times" does, they completely distort the original intent. that is part of the reason why that we're in so much trouble and that is part of the reason that few people have confidence in the media anymore. harris: all right. so that is one way. kennedy, i want to talk about the double-standard that i pointed to. kennedy: no, you're absolutely right. if "the times" is going to embrace this sort of open door information policy, then they really do have to do it on both sides but i would say that goes for places like "the washington post." "the washington post" if you remember, they are the ones who published a lot of information from the snowden leaks and they were the ones who benefited and won a pulitzer prize because of that reporting. but then they came out against edward snowden and said that he does not deserve to be pardoned by the president which was very hypocritical move. you have a lot of people who are anticipating what julian assange will say with the wikileaks. is "new york times." harris: wiki links.

kennedy: there could be links like all over the place like sausages. we don't necessarily no. will "new york times" publish that you have a case of distraction and bias. harris: i want to get your reaction on media bias and double-standard if it exists? >> exists at "new york times" definitely there was article they published several years ago it was, cast doubt about global warming scientists and came out of hacked documents from a university in britain. the reporter on that published in a blog they would not publish or post all of the documents because they were illegally obtained. well, you know what? they posted those very documents from donald trump's tax returns on website, that the actual documents they got in the mail are published on website right now. they got religion when it was involving a topic that is near and dear to their hearts but when they want to take down a presidential candidate is wide open at "the times." julie: who says they were

illegally obtained? two people signing the documents. >> illegally obtained, if those tax documents were released they're illegally, you're not allowed to release, federal law makes disclosure of tax document as crime. you're missing the point. julie: my question who says they're illegally released? who says marla maples is -- harris: actually she can't. she can't. she would have to get his consent as well. even if those were double, even if the couple itself was on -- julie: i believe different states have different laws. they had three releases much connecticut, new jersey and new york. but the other thing i'm going to say, i'm not suggesting she did it. we don't know whether it was illegally be attend. second thing i find it precious same presidential candidate urging vladmir putin to release more harked emails from the dnc is now all of sudden and shocked and appalled leaked anything is published. i'm not here to defend "the new

york times." who broke the hillary clinton email scandal? "the new york times." i think they are not not stock exchange for any one candidate. >> move on. clinton campaign delaying a bernie sanders event scheduled for today. he will campaign on her behalf wednesday. the change in plans comes from a audio released from a february fund-raiser, maybe clinton's take on sanders supporters very public. >> they're children of the great recession and they are living in their parents basement. if you're feeling that you're consigned to you know, being a barista or you know, some other job that doesn't pay a lot and doesn't have much of a ladder of opportunity attached to it, then the idea that maybe, just maybe you could be part of a political revolution i i don't think you find idealistic people that they bought into a. you try to do the best you can to say, hey, that is his view. that is what he is offering you. but here's another way we're

actually, we can achieve. >> her campaign defending those remarks. spokesman saying quote, as hillary clinton said in those remarks, she wants young people to be idealistic. to set big goals. she is fighting for exactly what the millenial generation cares most about, a fairer, more equal, just world. bernie sanders also reacting in an interview. >> she is calling other ideas you pitched, not the ones you two are working on together, but she called other ones, false promises and said that, what you were doing was indefensible. that must bother you? >> well, look, we're, of course it does but we're in the middle after campaign and i trust me, if you go to some of the statements that i made about hillary clinton, you could see real differences. so we have differences. there is nothing to be surprised about. that is what a campaign is all about. >> dr. carson, is this as honest as you will ever hear hillary

clinton when she is standing in front. donors asking for money? >> i don't know that honest and hillary clinton can be used in the same sentence but you know, the fact of the matter is, if you go back, i've got a video, for instance, on my telephone where barack obama was talking about hillary clinton in 2008 and the things that he said about her, you know, the senator who has taken the most money from special interests, and level of dishonesty, and then later on to come back and say, she is the most qualified person ever run for president. i mean anybody who is paying attention knows that these politicians just spew anything on their mind and it has no bearing to the truth whatsoever. harris: kennedy had a choice word when she heard the word bareis staff i'm yielding all my time to kennedy. kennedy: you can feel her contempt. there is lot of crossover what she said about the "basket of deplorables" and young people

living in their parents's basements. that is she despises people in need who don't need her. and she has such active contempt for these people, whether they're young people that she completely dismisses, you know, oh, they haven't gotten anything free, so they want to be part of a political revolution because they're bored. what an incredible insult. the fact that bernie sanders, selling out, going on tv, she is exactly right. she is not exactly right. she is completely wrong her. this is why she is hemorrhaging millenials at this point. >> they didn't need to hear that. they didn't need to hear that. young people didn't need to hear her say that. they knew that already because they can smell it from a smile away, or 500 miles away. a "gallup poll" released voters age 18 to 34, they're going to come out and vote at lowest level since, lower than 2000, which is doggone pathetic for her. julie: it is. she needs to get them back on board. this is not going to help although i will say, look, i

have the same concerns as a lot of, everything that bernie sanders talked about. i don't think free college tuition will happen. she is promising it now. i'm here to say i'm sorry, that is not realistic. i would hate for people going to vote on that promise to vote for that, that is purely unrealistic. harris: you better tell them. julie: i'm telling them now i will get a lot of trouble for it and -- harris: no trouble for truth. >> you see her lips moving? guess what? there is a lycoming out. they're overshadowed in the 2016 race but now the vice-presidential nominees are squaring off in their first and only presidential debate. what will the candidates need to do tomorrow night in farmville, virginia! for as long as i can. new patented ensure enlive has hmb plus 20 grams of protein to help rebuild muscle. for the strength and energy to do what you love. new ensure enlive. always be you.

♪ harris: cue the running mates. they're about to get their time in the sunshine. indiana governor mike pence, virginia senator tim kaine set

to face off in their first and only vice-presidential debate tomorrow night. i need a drum roll. thank you, kennedy. some are saying the stakes have risen for pence after what critics describe as donald trump's less than stellar performance in his first debate and the tough week that has followed. what are your thoughts on that? >> well i know mike pence. he is a terrific guy. very solid conservative. who will express himself extremely well. i think the biggest challenge for both of them is making big enough splash so the average person knows who they are. harris: traditionally the vice-presidential debate lets us know who will be a heartbeat away but not something people particularly vote on. what do you think this time around? julie: agree with dr. carson, this rumble in the jungle with hillary and trump, amazing gotten so much attention, poor

tim kaine and mike pence are almost forgotten and bet you most people don't know who is running for number two for either party. you're absolutely right. the challenge is to get people to tune in, challenge for mike pence, he acknowledged that the donald trump not having best week of his campaign to steer and right the ship in advance of next weekend's presidential debate. harris: the question about taxes will be interesting. mike pence released his and seemed to be in favor of notion of that? >> i want to hear more about issues and substance. harris: you don't think they will talk about tax returns. >> in terms of tax policy, he needs to talk about what donald trump's tax policy is. mike pence tax cutter in the state of indiana. how does that dovetail with what donald trump wants to do. in terms of tim kaine lied about having pneumonia and fell into the van. people will go him, can i see him as president? i'm not joking.

>> this is a super point, because they're not big household names, people will be listening to policy. the presidential election should be about policy and your philosophy. shouldn't be about your personality and 20 years ago but unfortunately we allowed to devolve into that. harris: indiana girl. >> that's right. harris: what do we know about governor mike pence would suggest he might be preparing for this differently than a donald trump. kennedy: he is an executive. i think that is where tim kaine and mike pence have a lot in common. they both run states. tim kaine was governor of virginia. i think because of that, i ran into lew dobbs here in the building. i think this could be the most substantive policy debate we see of the four debates. we don't remember a lost vice-presidential debates. of course we lloyd bentsen and dan quayle. we remember some of sarah palin and joe biden. are we going to remember this?

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harris: it has been spirited. outnumbered more of it to come. first to jon scott with second hour of "happening now." >> hi, harris. you saw it in hour one, donald trump holding event with veterans saying what he would do to help the u.s. military. he attacked hillary clinton but raised eyebrows with comments he made about vets mental health. he will head to colorado.

we'll have more where the campaign stan. we're awaiting a hillary clinton event in toledo, ohio, where she will likely speak on economy and hammer trump on revelations he took a loss of nearly a billion dollars back in 1995. hurricane matthew smashing jamaica, cuba and haiti. the u.s. base on guantanamo bay is partially evacuated. the storm is major category 4. it cover headed to the east coast. we're tracking matthew ahead. harris. harris: we pray for haiti and jamaica and those caught in between. >> so much rain coming. harris: we'll follow you at 1:00. thank you. >> my microphone is broken. [laughter] she broke it with obama. she and obama stole my microphone. they took it to canned kenna and they took it to kenya and now it is broken. [laughter] kennedy: took it to kenya. after alec baldwin debuting

impression of donald trump on "saturday night live" season premier. scoring the highest ratings since the 2008 campaign. baldwin will play trump to end of the election, leading many to wonder what impact the show could have on the 2016 race. julie, do conservatives have to worry somehow this impression alone will be something that tanks donald trump's presidency. julie: i'm going to predict that donald trump will not be president but not because of alec baldwin who is liberal donald trump in many ways. i thought that was hilarious, first time i saw "snl" in 2008 when they were great with sarah palin and hillary clinton. kennedy: you can see alaska from my house. julie: sarah palin next to us. >> tina fey doing it. julie: same thing t will not tank donald trump. it is funny. people need a sense is of humor and relax and stop reading into conspiracy theories how lorne michaels submarine the man he let host.

>> dr. ben carson was spoofed on "saturday night live." >> i was the first -- >> in this country every day. i mean open your eyes, president obama. it is enough to make me want to flip my top. [laughter] kennedy: how do you think he did as you? is that weird to see? >> it is not weird but he did a terrible job you know. first of all, i'm much better looking than that. harris: ah. [laughter] he found humor with it though, he really did. i guess you could say you haven't arrived until you do "snl." i don't say that, but some do. >> i think if we can't laugh at ourselves we're in pretty sad shape. >> i think it hurt sarah palin and people knew little about her and took some of her words and used them against her. i said alaska. i should have said you can see russia from my house in alaska. chevy chase did gerald ford,

turned him into a bumbling klutz. kennedy: that is absolutely right. harris: what have we seen on "snl" that would hurt donald trump? he makes fun of himself. he is very, he has been on television for a long time. he finds humor in himself. >> it is funny. i don't have any problem with it. but, a lot of times it is the piling on that causes the problem. harris: you think it is equal? >> it is definitely not equal. if you read rules for radicals, rules number five, ridicule, ridicule, ridicule. it begins to sink into the populace. julie: can i say as progressive, i don't know one person ever read saul alinsky or heard of him until conservatives bring him up. this is conspiracy -- >> can i say as well-educated person a lot of progress serves don't want you to know about saul alinsky. they don't want you to read saul alinsky because they don't want people to know -- julie: no top secret reading circle we're all a part of. >> trump was on "snl" not long ago.

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