great talking to you. i apologize for the breaking news and interruptions. >> good to be back with tonight, the debate that matters most. for these two guys is behind that glass we break in case of emergency. who are they? tim kaine, mike pence or is it tim pence and mike kaine? four out of five people don't know anyway.

this guy or this guy. what do we know about them? they are white men, of course. in fact, they are so vanilla, you're tempted to put them on a piece of apple pie. one of them has a musical mouth. ♪ and one has a dirty mouth. >> this [ bleep ] really is fun to watch, i'll tell you what. >> neither choices were picked by the candidates. hillary wanted her and trump wanted him. kaine and pence. these mild extras from allstate commercials on a menu that serves only raw carp. they are chicken fingers. kaine will say hillary is not corrupt. pence will say trump is not nuts. when their significant other is puking into a planter at a party, it's up to the kaines and the pences of the world to say

he didn't mean that or, sorry, she's not feeling well. better haves are boring but necessary. last, these vps are religious so the presidential choice doesn't have to be. they secularize the campaign. instead of debating over abortion or gay marriage, we've moved on to more vital stuff, like sex tapes and overweight beauty queens. glad we finally got to what matters. all right. so dana -- >> yeah. >> there's only one debate for the vp candidates. is that one too many? >> i think that one is just plenty. >> yes. >> one is just plenty. i think it's good. it's interesting that these two -- you know, vice presidents are usually the attack dogs. >> right. >> but they don't need to be in this case, as you're pointing out. they just need to be the calmer one. for both cheney and biden, those choices, i think, were meant to help counterball and show

gravitas. cheney was really good at it in the debate against john edwards which helped george w. bush. as erica was pointing out yesterday, the person who wins the debate -- 75% historically, they don't end up being president. >> you're in so much trouble on twitter now. twitter lights up. i can't believe you said that. >> i don't care about twitter. >> you're out of your mind. don't you know this was leaving before you went in? i've never opened up more of a can of worms than that. >> twitter worms. >> yes. i'm sorry. >> so my point was going to be that 43 was largely seen to have lost that first debate in the re-election and gets off stage and he thinks he's done just fine and the staff is like, oh, sir, that was not a good debate. he's like, what are you talking about? he goes down in the polls and john kerry starts doing better. what really helps stop the slide in the polls was cheney's debate against edwards because he destroyed him and that actually

stopped the slide and then he was able to get his way back. >> all right. all right. eric, you somehow made this interesting. what am i going to do tonight. >> but -- >> go ahead. >> it's almost like trump and hillary are pizza and chicken wings. >> yeah. >> and these two are the veggies. >> yeah. >> you've got to have that no matter who you end up voting for, you have to make sure they have some stability and you're comfortable, as you point out, one heartbeat away from the presidency. i think they are both going to be very measured and probably try to engage the other in bringing the top of the ticket into the debate and they will push back on that and say i -- what i would do is stay with us. >> i think abortion and gay marriage absolutely will come up tonight. >> that's what i was going to ask juan. you notice, no social issues between when they have trump and hillary -- it's only been one debate, though. because these are religious and one is modified, kaine has

modified his beliefs to fit the party, which is kind of hypocritical, pence is still anti-gay marriage. this could be -- >> right. and pence, of course, has the religious freedom deal in indiana that was essentially canceled out by the large corporations in indiana which said this is in opposition to our gay rights agenda and you can't do that. but the abortion issue has not come up and later in the show we're going to talk about obamacare. obamacare hasn't come up. i imagine that also pence is going to have to defend the wall and defend trump on immigration even though pence has not been a supporter of what donald trump has put forward on immigration like banning muslims from coming into the country. what is so interesting in my mind is kaine was the head of the democratic national committee and a tremendous fund-raiser. pence is a guy that's loved -- beloved by the republican

establishment, especially evangelicals. for them, i think he could be the guy to get them going and support trump. right now they are like, oh, yeah, i guess we have to go with trump. but he could actually excite some fires. >> he's got a couple of important jobs to get done tonight, pence does. yes, he's got to perhaps excite or motivate the base but also reassurance to say, look, i'm with this guy, i'm with trump. for those of you out there that trust me and the type of politics and the ideology i bring forward, conservatism, a focus on religion and first amendment and whatnot, you can trust me and the guy that i'm with is not somebody who is a misogynist. i think he's going to try to do some of that to coat the ticket and acceptability. in terms of kaine, he's going to say, i promise you, pinky swear, hillary is not going to put up

on a for sale sign on the pedestrian stel a pedestal and you can trust her. >> given the fact that the senate races are so close right now, it looks like the republicans are going to be able to hold on but there's a real scenario that you could have a 50/50 senate and that position becomes so much more important where there's a deadlock in the congress. >> can i ask a very legitimate question? is this a debate to find out who these two are or a debate to find out how they support their candidate? i don't know. i guess it's going to come down to the debate moderator to decide which way to go after it. because i would rather know what kaine and pence are about rather than how pence is going to defend some of the things he doesn't agree with donald trump on and how kaine will defend

some of the things he disagrees with hillary clinton on. >> i have a feeling there's going to be a canceling out because of that. trump is coming out. he's coming out of my ear. it's a weird disorder. coming up, the debate. i think it's going to be exciting watch. people have this kind of weird low expectation of it and i think that's the wrong way to go. it's going to be fiery and they've got to prove themselves here and do the best that they can, especially pence who has to try to pick up some steam and some momentum that people felt that donald trump should have been able to get from the last debate and make up and one of the ways do that is to try to hit the missed units in terms of foundation, the e-mails, et cetera. i think pence has a little bit of an interesting walk but stands to benefit that he's the

outsider candidate. mike pence was an insider and then left and was governor, he'll be able to help with that. >> i hope kaine brings his harmonica. >> they are having to clean up the mess and in the case of mike pence, he's got to explain birthers, racism, bigotry. >> the other thing is, 40% of the electorate cannot name either candidate. >> that is our current vice president. looks like we've got donald trump speaking. that's exciting. >> are you tossing to?

>> there's no real social issues. >> then it's come up. that doesn't mean it won't come up at the next presidential debate or perhaps a preview on the debate tonight with the vice president. >> it will definitely come up as something that hillary clinton did not do and she didn't talk specifically about gay issues or abortion and i definitely think kaine will bring that up and say that mike pence is the one who wanted to defund planned parenthood and then talk about the gay rights issues in indiana. conversely, i think that pence will say that kaine is a hypocrite for not being pro life. >> i think the only way that this actually moves the needle

at all is i don't anticipate either of them doing. >> you have an opportunity for, you know, for kaine to say, hey, what about your differences with your candidate? not only do they have differences about allowing muslim immigrants into the country, he disagrees with him about climate change. a lot of this stuff is going to be the republican establishment figure versus donald trump. >> if kaine is successful, he's going to say, hey, there's a real difference between you and the candidate. help us understand that. >> he's talking about the debate. let's go to mr. trump. >> the debate will be a contrast between our campaign of big ideas and bold solutions for tomorrow versus the small and petty clinton campaign that is totally stuck in the past. totally stuck in the past.

we are change. she is four more years of obama and we can't take that. clinton can't talk about real problems facing our country because she's the one who helped create all of those problems in the first place. they are not going to be able to do anything about it. to hide her corruption, she deleted 33,000 e-mails after getting a congressional subpoena. wow. how she got away with that one. how she got away with that is a disgrace. >> all right. we're going to continue monitoring this to see if he breaks any news about the debate. it's very exciting.

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this is the fox weather center. this is hurricane matthew moving over the tip of cuba and not interacting with a lot of land which means no weakening. this is the future forecast for this. it's going to rake the bahamas,

still maintaining category 3 or 4 strength. so a major hurricane moving across the bahamas. and the latest advisory at 5:00 p.m. just came in and it's extended the hurricane watch down to the north of miami. expecting to see a western trend with the latest model runs and that means that the track nudges towards the west. we have the potential to have the center of this storm moving anywhere here right along the coastal areas of florida before moving across the carolinas. after that, a lot of uncertainty late in the forecast in the short term on wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday, north carolina and florida need to watch this closely. tonight on the fox news channel, you'll see the one and only debate between the vice

presidential nominees. brett baier co-moderated three debates this cycle. he's in farmville, virginia. he's the anchor of "special report," but you knew that. hi, bret. >> hi, juan. >> i was thinking, we were all here pumping up the audience you've got to watch tonight. the two biggest vice presidential debates, bush v.ferraro and then biden versus palin, 69 million. what do you think about tonight? those two you'll note have women in it and the women brought something special. tonight, as my friend greg gutfeld said, we've got two white guys. what do you think? >> i tell you, this is not the

best tease but both of these guys are probably not going to try to make news tonight. they will try to defend the top of the ticket, well-positioned about mike pence, he'll talk about change and the fact that he and donald trump are the change agents here. you just heard donald trump in that appearance saying that they are the change. that message will have the temperament issues and the 3:00 a.m. tweets. >> this isn't farmville, virginia, notably that the governor kaine from virginia, he'll be the home team player there. how does the moderator make sure that they don't get involved in

favor of kaine? >> they do the whole preamble where they come out and admonish the crowd. they were loud and laughing and clapping. cbs will likely lay down those rules for this audience. 100 seats will be saved for students and the others will be broken up between the two campaigns. >> kimberly guilfoyle? >> hi, bret. i'm looking forward to this tonight. i think they will do a good job of representing their running mates well. if you pick one area that might be a big focus tonight, what would it be? >> i think they are going to both go after the top of the picket, as i mentioned, and try to stick -- kaine will be on the

defense about the e-mail servers. pence will be talking about. and they have done a good job of explaining donald trump and his appeal to middle america. i think on substance, though, kimberly, some of these social issues, i heard dana mentioning them earlier, they make them up because mike pence as indian naz governor dealt with that religious freedom bill and tim kaine goes after that. tim kaine has his own defense about abortion. >> dana? >> bret, i'm curious, you said their goal is to not make news, maybe they should try to make some news tonight. donald trump said he's going to live tweet the debate which might be the most interesting

part of the debate. but wouldn't one of these campaigns want a big headline tomorrow morning? >> as long as it's the right headline. if it's going your way and there's a lloyd benson moment to dan quayle that you're no jack kennedy, yes, that would be great. if one of them steps in it, you don't want that headline to take away from the top of the ticket. i don't think, if you look back at vice presidential debates, that they have moved the needles that much. can you think of more than just a couple of moments that from vice presidential debates, i don't think many people can. it can be more substantive on policy. these guys are well-versed in their two parties. >> greg gutfeld has a question about tim kaine's eyebrows. >> do i? you read my mind, you sexy beast.

people think this is going to be the opposite of the presidential debate. it was high expectation for drama and low expectation for substance. somehow we think this could be the reverse. i have a feeling this is going to be ugly. they are going to have to defend their choices, their partner. you're married to an obnoxious spouse that you have to constantly defend. >> i'm just speaking from my wife's perspective. >> i will say this. the practice partners for these two governors, scott walker of wisconsin is playing the role of tim kaine for mike pence and bob barnett, washington lawyer, is playing the role of mike pence for tim kaine. those are not, you know -- i don't think they are going to upset the apple cart there with those practice partners, but i do think you may be right because last night we had a sound bite from governor pence and we had to bleep it when he said, can you believe this blank

about -- >> we heard that earlier. >> dana has a quick follow-up for you. >> in the presidential debate and throughout the campaign, neither have talked much about obamacare but i actually still believe that the reason that the republicans won in 2014 are the reasons that the republicans should continue to talk about obamacare, especially now. how do you think both of them handle that tonight? >> i think it's going to be a big thing and i think we hear from bill clinton where he says obamacare is causing people to get killed. i would guess that governor pence is going to quote from that and obamacare is going to be a factor in one of these -- whether it's brought up by the moderator or by mike pence. it is a big issue as you go around these states and talk to people. they are affected by it. >> and it's not necessarily that easy for mike pence in terms of,

you know, totally trashing obamacare because as governor of indiana, he went ahead and took the deal that obamacare offered to the state. >> exactly. i think kaine will come back with they want to repeal and replace but replace with what and republicans have been blocking. you saw president obama wrote an op-ed. >> we have to break in here. hillary clinton has come to the microphone for press availability. here she is. >> campaign development in the last day. yesterday, donald trump was asked a question about post-traumatic stress, traumatic brain injury and other challenges facing many of our troops. and part of his response was that post-traumatic stress happens to troops who, quote, can't handle it. he said, if you're strong, you can handle it.

many people are speaking out against donald trump now. some of the strongest men and women any of us have ever met have experienced post-traumatic stress. donald trump's comments are not just ignorant, they are harmful because they give voice to the stigmas that has led generations of veterans to hide their struggles instead of getting life-saving help. you know what doesn't help with that? when a man asking to be our next commander in chief stands up and says post-traumatic stress isn't a problem if you're strong. vice president biden spoke about this earlier. he said he gets an update every day from the pentagon how many troops were injured overnight.

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it's president obama's signature law, one that hillary clinton has pledged to expand. so why hasn't the democratic nominee been touting about the plan on the trail? she has gone silent about health care but she brought up some of the shortcomings today. >> obviously i'm going to do everything that i can to make sure that everyone has quality, affordable health care and that means we've got to fix the affordable care act, keep what works about it but improve it, get the costs down, premiums and

deductibles, prescription drug costs are way too high. so we've got to work on that. >> her husband bill went even further yesterday. he didn't have a lot of great things to say about the legislation. >> to people who are getting killed in this deal or small business people and individuals who made just a little bit too much to get into these subsidies, they are getting whacked. so you have this crazy system where all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care and they are busting 60 hours a week lined up with their premiums doubled and coverage cut in half. it's the craziest thing in the world. >> the former president offered a much more positive assessment today. >> look, the affordable health care act did a world of good and the 50 something efforts to repeal it was a terrible mistake. we for the first time in our history at least are providing insurance to more than 90% of our people. >> that first sound bite, eric,

is why a lot of republicans were like, it wasn't that bad. he gets the joke. >> how do you go from it's a crazy system, literally, his words, obamacare is a crazy system, to it's done a world of good? it's cleaning up your own mess. hillary tried to clean up the mess as well. where it's probably not going over very well is the campaign headquarters saying, can we just get this guy off the stage? now you have obamacare campaigning for hillary and michelle obama, also. keep bill off the stage. >> they can keep bill busy. but anyway, it's true. keep him off the stage. the worst part of politics is when they know something is wrong but they push it through anyway, which is ideology. ideology trumps factual research or just commonsense. government intrusion is the left

wing equivalent of military intrusion. they never think of the next step. they just say, this is good and the consequences will work themselves out. so like obamacare didn't think this thing through. he didn't have to because the media absolved their responsibility in being the engine of criticism. if you have a progressive idea, the media will say, you know what, go for it. government intrusion has absolutely no emergency brake and it gets worse and worse. >> and if you look at the states and what is happening there, including places like minnesota which was at risk last week of having no individual market until they had some knowledemer step-in, president obama tomorrow will give a speech trying to defend obamacare because it is his legacy and yet it's not going well but she wants to make it even bigger. >> well, i think it is going well. i disagree with you. i think in fact the idea that you have 20 million people covered for health care who

previously had no insurance is a big step forward. you stop and think about a lot of things. this is kind of the mirror image of what greg was saying. you talk about the political ideology block put in place and realize president obama, hillary clinton and now bill clinton have said, yes, there are steps that need to be taken. >> hillary is talking about this right now. >> what that means is that the 20, 21 million people on the exchanges would lose their coverage. if you repeal the affordable care act, that means every american who is insured through your employer will all of a sudden go back to the days when insurance companies could deny you health care because of preoccurring conditions, where young people would not be able to afford coverage where now they can stay on their parents' policies until the age of 26. all of that and more is part of

the affordable care act. this is a really big deal because it affects, you know, about 195 to 200 million americans and so people need to pay attention when trump says he's going to get rid of it and turn it back to the insurance companies and one of the stranger things that he's said is how he wants to let insurance companies sell across state lines. in fact, he told in an interview about an year ago, hey, i don't care if china sells us our insurance policies. imagine getting approval for your drug by calling beijing. there's so much that he doesn't either care or understand. we're going to tackle it and fix it but it's a heck of a lot easier than starting from scratch which is unfortunately what the republicans want us to do. i think he made it clear what he was saying. >> you're listening to hillary

clinton who was answering questions on the very topic we were talking about. kimberly, your thoughts on her answer here? >> she was trying to clean it up because bill went out and spoke the truth and then had to walk it back because you're doing something that's basically disparaging one of the greatest legacies that president obama likes to think which i see juan has aca, affordable care act down, not obamacare. stuff that he says affects her. he wanted to put it out there and say it was one of the greatest accomplishments and he backs her up. >> so he made the accidental mistake of telling the truth. and president obama and

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leo dicaprio is sounding the alarm for climate change. we should remind you, he's not traveling in a solar-powered vehicle but on luxury yachts. yesterday he delivered this warning to anyone who doesn't buy in to global warming. >> the scientific consensus is in and the argument is now over. if you do not believe in climate change, you do not believe in facts or in science or empirical truth and, therefore, in my humble opinion, should not be allowed to hold public office. >> and then, of course, the climate alarmist in chief. >> we have members who scoff at

climate change at the same time that they are saluting and wearing flag pins and extolling their as leo says, the change has to come from the bottom up. >> i'm not a climate denier. i just need to see proof that man is causing temperatures to rise and, two, this poses danger to humanity before we spend millions. we'll bring it around quickly. greg? >> it's true. it comes from the bottom up because he is an ass. what he just said violates the first rule of science. when you say science is settled, the entire scientific method is based on being proven wrong. every scientist welcomes a challenge. you have to wonder about a belief system that doesn't want any challenge or any theories to be questioned. what he's talking about is radical islam of science. he is actually turning science into a religion.

however, on the other side, do not call it a hoax because you play into their beliefs demand evidence, demand evidence, climate change has existed since the big bang. >> dana? >> nothing humble about that opinion that they gave. but i truly believe this issue comes up in the vice presidential debate tonight because millennials care about this issue very much. we've heard about the trouble that the clinton campaign has with young voters so kaine will try to bring it up if the moderator does not. >> guess what, mike pence, the vice presidential nominee of the republican party disagrees with donald trump. he thinks human beings are involved with climate change and it's real. so i'm very interested to see how he will handle this. >> so obviously this is something that is timely and could be brought up tonight to drive a wedge between the ticket but i wonder if all of these people complaining about climate change, are they going to sign a nice petition to say that they will pledge not to fly around on their private jets?

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welcome back to "the five." wic wikileaks leader julian assange has been pledging for a while to

release documents on hillary clinton. this morning there wasn't the october surprise many were anticipating. clinton was asked about assange moments ago. >> julian assange this morning says he plans to release documents the next three, five days that could upset the u.s. election. are you worried there's anything that could come out that would up end the race and really there's a report going around that you joked once about assange, can't we just drone the guy? did you ever joke about droning assange? >> i don't know anything about what he's talking about, and i don't recall any joke. it would have been a joke if it had been said, but i don't recall that. >> not a flat-out denial, interesting when she said that. when you heard it, blanch, you turned your head. >> no, i thought it was -- didn't -- it was quoted. her saying can't we just drone this guy, right? >> yeah, but she said she doesn't remember saying it, it was a joke. >> i don't know, i haven't seen that actually -- report that maybe she said that. >> we may need context on it, it

may be part of a funny dialogue back and forth. still, i mean, i think she said it. it's been printed. >> this isn't what the topic is about. it was about what he did. he pulled the chain of all right wingers, while alex jones just loses skin over this thing because assange is a self-promoting clown who played everyone. he doesn't like america. his whole endeavor is to subvert our country. that's how he got famous. it's not about what hillary said. and hell, i don't disagree if she did say it. >> you know what's funny is, boy, you know, you hate -- >> whoa. >> -- to see people just -- >> how hawkish of you. >> this was three-card monty on the political right. hey, you know what, he didn't do well in debate, he's having trouble with twitter, but julian assange is really going to get her, you have people like roger stone, right, tweeting, oh, wednesday, that's the end of hillary. >> well -- >> there's still 12 more hours. always a voice of reason. >> 35 more days. >> you're still hoping. >> no, i'm not hoping for

anything. >> what happened here? why say that and -- >> she's, like, the easter bunny. >> i saw kennedy in the elevator bay. she said she set her alarm for 3:30 in the morning. got up and sat and watched that. >> oh, no. >> and then she went for -- >> did she make chocolate chip cookies to put it on the table with a glass of milk? >> probably ran ten miles across the bridge and back, came here, did three shows. >> 7 miles in 54 minutes, her quickest time. it's a fact. "one more thing" up next. (announcer vo) or you can take a joyride. bye bye, errands, we sing out loud here. siriusxm. road happy.

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one more thing. eric. >> earlier today i was walking up 5th avenue, bumped into, anchor of "good morning america" george stephanopoulos. we shook hands. i was reminded of a documentary "the war room" about the 19s 992, election, carville, clinton, george stephanopoulos went to to suppress the outrage stemming from bill's most scandalous pastimes. stephanopoulos was the hit man who unapologetically covered up sex scandal after sex scandal. alsoed me of the timeanopoulos y needed to, quote, destroy the story, are referring to one of bill's -- i want to wish my wife

a happy anniversary. super mom, super wife, 19 years with me. she has to be a saint. >> agree. happy anniversary. >> you said all of that to george on the street? >> no, no. i said hello and shook his hand. >> congratulations. >> thank you. >> greg's nutrition tips. all right. if you own a sharpe, don't feed him strawberries. take a look at this poor soul. this dog was fed a strawberry and has yet to -- this has been filmed, been able to eat it because it just can't get it into his mouth. >> why? >> look at this. isn't this amazing? >> but why? >> because he's -- >> you're not supposed to give dogs strawberries, anyway. >> you're not. certainly not grapes. >> you can't give them chocolate or raisins or blueberries. >> all right, dana? >> so this is fun, if you need something to talk about with your boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife, whatever -- >> why do you have to use those terms? >> check out meagan mccartle's column on bloomberg, called the economics of dining as a couple. go through, it talks about the different ways through

economics, if your kids are studying economics, have them go through this, such as do you each order something separately? that would be autarky. individual production with trade, kimberly orders something and her boyfriend orders something, we're not naming anybody, then they maybe trade something. i don't want people to think -- >> this is dense. >> we don't have a -- we don't have a boyfriend to talk about at the moment i don't think. are we talking about one? >> oh, my gosh. >> i lost track. this is a really good article. >> all right. >> kimberly. >> a surprise announcement on the howard stern show earlier today. he said he was diagnosed with aggressive prostate cancer two years ago at very young age. 46. and had the radical surgery to remove his entire prostate gland. he's healthy now and telling his story to raise awareness for young men of the dangers of not paying attention. this november, for me, marks seven years since in my early 50s i was diagnosed with prostate cancer and had the very same surgery. i want to double down on ben's message, how important it is for

scandinavian and african-american men to know about prostate cancer. >> thanks. i want to say happy birthday to my son, ronan, he's 10 today. >> yay. >> real quick if we could show -- >> so cute. he's 10. that's a big deal. >> yeah. >> it's huge. >> you've done a good job, mama. >> into his second decade. welcome back to the campus of longwood university in farmville, virginia. site of the one and only vice presidential debate in the 2016 race. tonight, in an election season characterized by outside personalities and heated rhetoric, traditional mild mannered vice presidential candidates prepare for a debate. good evening from longwood university, i'm bret baier. in the debate hall down the hall from us on campus, the vice presidential debate kicks off in three hours featuring democrat senator tim kaine of virginia and republican governor mike pence of indiana. they're in some ways the polar opposites of their