up next "hannity" live. welcome to "hannity." we are in the spin room, welcome to "hannity." wow. what a n we have a full night of great guests coming up. we started just moments ago with former new york city mayor rudy giuliani. this is how it went down. well, you happy? >> i'm very happy. i'm a very happy win. i thought he was going to win. he did a lot better than i thought. i considered it a knockout. by the end of the debate she was just talking for the purpose of talking. she looked tired to me. the last 15 minutes she looked really tired and then she would

give these long, wandering answers. in fact, the moderators were totally unfair and let her go on and on. >> i love when he said one on three because that was totally true. >> the moderators were unfair but she hurt herself by going on and on because she started to lose they are train of thought. i think he really dazzled her. the moment she couldn't answer the destruction of the 33,000 e-mails which would put anybody else in jail, you know that, i know that, everyone in america knows that. >> the abe lincoln line, did he plan that or was that -- >> that was just right -- made up, right on the spot because she made that up on the spot. >> let me ask -- you've been a part of the debate prep and what i saw tonight is trump being trump and trump saying what he means and meaning what he says. was he held back a little in the first debate? >> no, i don't think so. look, it's a medium he has to get used to. he's going to be better in the next debate. i told him that. i said, donald, you know, it took him a while with the teleprompter.

now he's a genius with it. he's as good as reagan with it, he's as good as clinton with it and he's as good as obama is with it. he felt comfortable in the debate. the first one probably -- i thought he did much better when you look at it a second time but this debate, this could be one of the biggest knockouts i've seen in a presidential debate. i don't think i've seen one candidate dominate the other candidate more. she was completely on the defensive the entire night. >> it was unrelenting. let's go to the issue everyone was talking about coming in, this tape from, what, 11 years ago -- i thought his answer, he seemed sincere in his apology. >> of course he was. >> and, number two, he waited because she kept pressing it, he said, all right, i'll go there, yes. >> she was the one who began the unrelenting, vicious, nasty, horrible attack on him. so, i think the way he answered

it, he apologized but also put it in proper perspective. we got a world in which people are being killed all over the world. we've had more islamic terrorist attacks in the last ten months than we've had since september 11, all over the world including the united states. we're waiting for the next city to get attacked. >> it's scary. it's scary. >> we have no plan from her ridiculous answers. she has no idea what she's doing in syria. i mean, she has no idea. they have no idea how to set priorities. i was thinking when they started talking about announcing what she would do, i was thinking, eisenhower didn't announce we are going to invade -- >> but think of this debate in substance. econom economy, substance. taxes, substance, immigration, substance, syria, iraq, substance. radical islam, substance. >> i come away with it with the following. if we elect donald trump i get more money in my pocket. if i elect her she'll take 20% out. what donald trump was trying to do even with the tape thing is to say, look, it's important and i'm sorry, but we got people dying. you know, while we're talking somebody is getting shot in chicago. murder went up last year more

than it did in the last 41 years. there's something going wrong in this country. there's too much violence, both street crime violence and terrorism, and we need a strong president. it was quite clear. he's strong. she's weak. >> he also decided, okay, she hit him with the kitchen sink. kaine tried to regurgitated statements. he went after her on e-mails and he went after her on benghazi and in the first debate he left all that on the table. he didn't leave anything on the table tonight. >> didn't leave anything on the table tonight and she never had an answer to those 33,000 e-mails so when he got to the point where he said you belonged in jail, he's absolutely right. >> and he'd prosecute her. you might be the attorney general. >> i could convict her on at least -- i'm up to about 26 now and the reality is she lied to the fbi. martha stewart went to jail for lying to the fbi one time.

>> one time. >> one time. she did it 39 times she had no -- she had a lot of recollection of all the stuff she wanted to say about trump tonight, but she had no recollection 39 times when she was stauging to the fbi. >> last question, the issue of actions versus words. i just -- i've interviewed waugh neata. i've interviewed kathleen. i've interviewed paul l.a. i've interviewed kathy shelton who hillary is on tape bragging she got somebody she thought was guilty off raping a 12-year-old girl. are people now -- is the media now challenged? do they have a responsibility to bring these up? >> they'll go back to a 12-year-old tape on him or something that happened 20 years ago, this is serious stuff. i mean i talked to that woman. >> kathy shelton. >> for some time. she did a lot of damage to kathy shelton. i mean, laughing twice over -- >> laughing and bragging and knowing that he was guilty. >> yeah. and the woman was raped. continental ever have a child and then juanita broaddrick who says she was raped and hillary clinton attacked her.

she said that herself in the h. she said that herself in the microphone. finally, she finally -- someone final gave her a chance to voice the way in which she was horribly treated by the president of the united states. now, you want to start talking about some language on a tape and attack people about that, well, then, you got to deal with your own problems. >> you got to deal with action versus -- >> you've got to deal with a sexual predator, and his attacker, hillary clinton. >> mr. mayor, great to see you. >> thank you. >> on a scale of one to ten, you're giving this a 50. >> 100, knockout. one of the biggest defeats -- or victories in a presidential debate ever. >> mr. mayor, good to see you. thank you so much. joining us now, we're in the spin room, is trump's campaign manager, kellyanne conway. one thing, frank luntz had a big win for trump tonight. >> absolutely. i think most of america will agree with that if they're being honest, if they actually watched the debate and not the post-spin. you saw a very resolute donald

trump tonight, showing why he is ready to be commander in chief and president on day one. this is a guy who took the case to hillary clinton on syria, on the e-mail, on benghazi, on -- >> it was funny when he said acid wash. >> bleachbit, acid wash, it's all the same. he hears people when he's traveling around the country. they're so frustrated that yet again, a different set of standards apply to hillary clinton and her e-mails than does apply to other people who break the law. >> he also said, look, if i'm president, you're not going to get a pass. you will be prosecuted. there were so many good lines by him. i think the difference from my perspective between this debate and the last debate. i don't know if he was holding back. i don't know if it was by design. but she had gone after him hard. tim kaine regurgitated the talking points, and finally he said, okay, let's play. so he was donald trump. he came to play. >> look, he told 88 million americans on live tv last time that he had come to do the rough

stuff about hillary and her treatment of women in her husband's life, and that he decided not to at that moment. but tonight he realized that there's so much to be gained by doing that, that if this woman is going to be president of the united states, you have to put aall out there, and you have to let people realize that she represents the past and the status quo, and a rigged, corrupt system. >> by the way, she's been there longer than 30 years. >> he was being polite. i'll put it in my own words. if she's been there all these years, why do millions of american women don't have health care and health insurance? why are so many living in poverty, millions and millions of women? i'm fighting for women, i'm fighting for women. he said at the end i respect the fact she's a fierth, but she's always been fighting for herself. i think if you look at her career, it's really hillary first, and he's putting america first. >> let me go through the differences tonight. radical islam, say it or don't say it.

vet refugees. the economy, raise taxes, cut taxes. you build a wall, you don't build the wall. you know, on every single issue, he prosecuted the case about benghazi, about iraq, about syria, about putin, straight on down the line. this was a substantive debate on top of everything else, and he brought up the issues of her character, the e-mails, the bleachbit. by the way, even the treatment of women by the clintons, which was a big issue supposedly coming into this debate. i would say he put that to rest. >> yes and whether it's some of the reaction he received this weekend or in tonight's debate, he's showing that this contest is us versus them. who is them? it's the elite. it's the media. it sometimes is the establishment. >> he really is anti-establishment. >> and he's conveying that message on behalf of the people. look, he's built a movement, and people feel like they're a part of that, and they don't want him to throw in the towel. they want to see what they saw tonight, which is somebody willing to take the case directly to her and willing to stand up for his principles. i was really proud tonight.

one of things, he said you called tens of millions of people deplorable. her answer to that was so terrible. in the comfort of yet another wall street -- >> he was calm, measured. >> and funny, andhumorous. >> they're all spinning about him being in her space. come on, that's the best you have? a 90 minute substantive debate and he was standing behind her when -- >> i'm in your space right now, but you're in mine too. kellyanne, thank you. coming up, we're just getting things started. we're in the spin room in st. louis, missouri. monica crowley, laura ingraham, that and more as "hannity" continues. guess what guys, i switched to sprint.

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withh her, it's all talk an no action. and, again, bernie sanders, it's really bad judgment. she has made bad judgment not only on taxes. she's made bad judgments on libya, on syria, on iraq. i mean her and obama, whether you like it or not, the way they got out of iraq, the vacuum they've left, that's why isis formed in the first place. they started from that little area, and now they're in 32 different nations, hillary. congratulations. great job. >> all right. donald trump calling out hillary clinton one of many, many times earlier tonight. here with reaction, former speaker of the house, fox news contributor newt gingrich. i don't know how you feel about it. i've watched a lot of presidential debates. i don't think i've ever seen any one person get crushed the way

hillary clinton got crushed tonight. your thoughts? those are mine. >> look, i think that trump came in prepared to go as hard as he needed to. i think he stayed nose to nose with her all evening, and i think that she steadily lost. i mean she finally lost because her case is so bad that once you get into substance, she starts to disintegrate. he was very fast, and i think very good in coming back on a number of occasions and basically totally outmaneuvering her in terms of language. examples, bringing her own record to bear. as you know, she was false about when the red line in syria occurred. she actually was the secretary of state when it was first announced. trump would say something which was clearly factually based, and then she would say, well, he's not telling the truth again. but if you look at it again and again, her problem is 33,000

e-mails deleted is real. making millions of dollars off of while you're serving the government is real. so you go down these items, and hillary had a problem. i also think she was totally rattled by having the four women there, and i give trump some real credit here. he managed to thread a needle of having a press conference in advance, having the women there, really only getting into counter-punching when she forced the issue. so i think as a result, plus he was using a very calm tone of voice, something you and i used to talk to him about, where he think he met the standard. and the result was he felt okay while he was saying very tough things. and i think that in the end, he did very well. >> and on substance. i mean i didn't feel we got to the substance that we got to in this debate. the substance is, you know, vetting refugees.

really important issue. huge differences. the substance of taxes, supreme court justices, immigration, borders. there are profound differences here. how isis was created, whether to say radical islam. all of this came up, and all of hillary's tactics of dumping the kitchen sink, i think backfired. you could see it in her demeanor. she started out smiling. she ended up biting her tongue by the end of that debate. >> well, and you also had the whole issue of the fact that we now know from the wikileaks that she wants a canadian-style health care system to replace obamacare. again, a clear gap. i mean i don't see how anybody could look at tonight's debate and say it did not have a very significant amount of substance and policy differentiation that was far more than i think you got in the first debate. trump did much better tonight. now, if he improves as much over tonight as he did over the first night, the third debate will just be so one-sided, it will be embarrassing.

>> what do you make -- i actually thought it was kind of that way tonight, but that was my biased view. what can you say? here's the question. coming into this debate, this tape that had been released, i want you to address, number one, how he handled it. sorry. i'm embarrassed. it was wrong. he didn't bring up the clintons' problems until, as you said, she really pressed it. and he said, okay, you're going to go here. now let's talk. and i think at that moment, that's when the debate changed dramatically. >> look, i thought it was kind of crazy what she did. she knew that he was prepared to fight over that stuff. she knew that he had the witnesses in the audience he could call on, and she knew that he had apologized in a way that would be acceptable to most independents and most republicans, probably not convince left-wing democrats. but nonetheless, they came back and went after him in a way

which was almost like putting up a big sign saying, please hit me. i don't get it. so he hit her, and he hit her, i thought, very directly, very powerfully. i particularly think the one case -- and you know the young woman in question, the case of the 12-year-old, of hillary laughing about getting this accused rapist off is so indefensible given her arguments about how you should treat women that it's just breathtaking that she would get into that particular fight. but it was done well. it wasn't -- my fear was the whole debate was going to degenerate into that kind of stuff. instead, you had very intense, decisive moments. then you went back to public policy questions. and there i give trump a lot of credit. remember, in the first debate, trump did very well in the first 45 minutes, not nearly as well in the second 45. i would argue in this debate, he was gaining energy, and she was

losing energy. he was even better in the second half of the debate, and the gap between the two of them was getting to be bigger and bigger. and i think that's something that he and his team should feel very good about. >> what about the republicans that wanted to panic? you know, i said going back in the primary that establishment republicans, they didn't want donald trump, the outsider, or even ted cruz for that matter. they hated both of them because they were the insurgent candidates. so it doesn't surprise me that they want to cut and run at any point of controversy. what are your thoughts on them? and we only have about 30 seconds. >> well, my thoughts are, first of all, tonight they have a lot of egg on their face because the guy who showed up in the debate tonight clearly is the republican nominee, and he clearly has earned being the republican nominee. and it's kind of crazy for somebody to suggest dumping him at this point. i would hope that a lot of those who panicked over the weekend would reconsider their position in the light of what we now have

learned about hillary through wikileaks and the importance of stopping her from truly crippling the country. >> does he win this presidency? >> i think he is back on track, and i think if they prosecute one simple thing, the brazilian bankers, she told them in a secret speech she wants open borders, which means 600 million people could come to the united states. on that one issue alone, he could beat her decisively. so i think the odds are he wins despite everything the media has done in a totally one-sided way. >> mr. speaker, good to see you. thank you as always. thanks for staying up late. joining us now is the leader of the uk independence party, nigel farage is with us. laura ingraham. good to see you. let's talk. >> hillary totally won this night. she came across as strong and

forcef forceful, and they prosecuted thecation. she really gave us solutions on how to grow the middle class. i felt the solutions. they were oozing out of every pore of hillary. for anyone to go on television tonight and say that this was not a decisive, frankly masterful performance by donald trump should just drop the pre-tension pre pretense of being a republican strategist. or a republican, quote, pundit, or an analyst. he came in with the entire gop establishment really against him. he came in with the media against him. he came with hollywood against him, and the entire bush apparatus, okay? all of them against him, and he came he said -- >> the iraq apparatus. >> we're going down the tubes. you're an architect of this decline, and we need a new path forward. he said this, and he hit her in a way that not a single republican in the last 30 years has been able to lay a glove on the clintons. we've been waiting for this moment.

>> i was in a trailer with a bunch of people, and all i heard was ooh, aah. they were screaming all night. when he got to the abe lincoln line, i thought i was going to fall out of my chair. >> that was laura and me. >> was that you? >> look, tonight what you saw was a dramatic fortune for both candidates. there's a phrase, don't give up five minutes before the miracle. what you saw tonight from donald trump, he performed a miracle. he gave such a dramatic, extraordinary, dominating performance. he had a command over the issues. he took the fight to hillary clinton. he did not back down. you saw a man who is ready for the presidency. if that donald trump shows up to the third debate, he will win because what he did tonight, sean, was reset this campaign. all of the people that you and laura just talked about, the gop establishment, the media, the white house, the clinton campaign, they were all deeply invested over the last 48 hours in donald trump's downfall. what they saw tonight has forced them to try to readjust.

what you're seeing is panic on their side. you saw it in the faces of bill clinton. you saw it in the faces of hillary clinton, the entire clinton team, because now they have to adjust to a new reality. they thought they had it in the bag over the last 48 hours. donald trump just reset the game. >> the women showing up was a powerful statement because -- i actually wrote an article. i put it up on my website, words, axctions. the media never talked about any of the issues involving hillary clinton. when you compare and contrast, there's a big difference. nigel, let's talk about brexit. let's talk about similarities here. trade, immigration, refugees. how big an impact do you think? what similarities do you see these issues on the american campaign versus what you witnessed? >> well, the crossover is massive because on the one side, you've got hillary backed by goldman sachs and jpmorgan and all the multi nationals.

and on the other side, you've got an anti-establishment campaign. that is exactly what we saw in the british referendum. now, the key to us winning that referendum was about 2.5 million people who don't normally vote, all who have never voted in their lives, turned out on june 23rd, and a big majority of them voted for brexit. and the absolute key to this trump campaign is can he mobilize? can he get people out there, the little people, the put upon people, those who completely know that washington, as it's currently set up, has got nothing to offer them. can he mobilize them? can he incentivize them to go out and vote? and i think tonight, had the immigration question come up, he would have done even better because these are the issues ordinary people really care about. >> and you know what, america can't make the mistake of europe. we're now seeing the damage that has been done because of

immigration policies and refugee issues. laura, i thought on that particular issue, the vetting of refugees is particularly strong. also the creation of isis. >> yep. >> and hillary was wrong about iraq and syria and iran, et cetera. >> i had a woman flying from l.a. today. she was a gate agent of the airline i flew on. she was an iranian jew. really interesting person. she said, can i tell you about the four refugees that i processed earlier this week? they come with just a piece of -- like a stationery from the state department. they have their name on them and apparently their birth dates and that's all they have. she said we're resettling them all over the country. four of them were dropped in minneapolis. >> we read the story about the passports were being printed -- >> these people didn't have passports. she pulled me aside and said i have to tell you what's happening at los angeles international airport. the immigration issue cuts across. we see individuals who are down on their luck who can't get help because they make a little bit

too much money to get any assistance. and yet barack obama just waved in i guess 53,000 of the immigrant families. they can stay for a number of years. i think people are fed up. it's just not fair. he cut into that basic issue of fairness tonight and got it off the old sex talk and just talked about what works in the country. >> i thought he handled that really well. >> absolutely. >> monica, when you think about hillary, i've always said she can't run on the economy. she can't run on her foreign policy. trump really hammered that home tonight, and on top of that, when you add in the argument that he made many times that you've been there all these years. what have you done? >> right. >> there is no answer to that because she's done nothing. >> the critical thing donald trump did tonight was he took the focus off of himself, and he put it onto the american people and the future of the country. that was his whole rationale for running in the first place. he said, i don't need this job. i'm super rich. i have a great family and a successful business. >> it's costing me money. >> but i'm doing it because i

care about the american worker and the future of the nation. that's what he did tonight. he turned the tables on her. >> five more tapes, ten more tapes, it's going to end up on deaf ears. >> every politician gets hit when the crap hits the fan. h. the question is not what they hit you with but -- >> you sound like rocky. >> they're going to have more. [ overlapping voices ] >> what he should say at that point is, okay, how are you going to fix the economy, hillary? what are you going to do for the middle class? what are you really going to do with our veterans because you served them poorly. every time they do that, it has to be about what's happened. >> i cornered john podesta and claire mccaskill earlier tonight, and i asked them questions. okay. you're upset about donald trump's words. what about how they smeared, slandered? >> it's not someone was

unfaithful to her. that's not the issue. it's what she did in response. i think that's part of it is put to rest tonight. there will be other tapes. i just think -- >> she can't answer it. >> she has no substantive argument for american renewal. >> in fact, tonight she actually was so desperate, she was reaching back to the 1990s to try to make her case for 2016. >>my muhusband balanced the budget. >> she still after all these years is not offering a clear vision for where she wants to take the country or a compelling rationale for her candidacy beyond i'm a woman, and it's my turn. >> nigel, last question for you. as you look at this debate, you had advice for donald trump after the first debate. what do you tell him after this one? >> well, the trouble with the first debate is she kept attacking him, and he's a proud man, and he kept defending, defending, defending, and not getting into the issues. what happened tonight is the first 15 or 20 minutes was quite uncomfortable watching for everybody. then we got onto the issues.

and what we saw tonight with trump was actually he's got more mastery over policy than people have previously given him credit for. and i thought he dominated this debate tonight. i thought hillary was on the back throughout. i think as we go to las vegas in a few days' time, psychologically, he now has a massive edge. the campaign now has momentum again. >> nigel, thank you. real quick. >> the republicans had better look themselves in the mirror tonight. if they want to win this election, they all better get on their big boy pants, stop it with the attacking the nominee, and say we've got to defeat the clintons. >> we've got two women saying, guys, get your big boy pants on. >> if you want to defeat the clintons, go defeat the clintons. the democrats are all about winning. otherwise, go to your think tanks and pontificate all day long about your agenda. >> i want you two on my --

>> we need to do what the democrats do, which is they stay united no matter what. and our side never does it to our great disgrace. >> good to see you both. when we come back, judge jeanine pirro, lisa boothe, reince priebus and much more as we continue from washington university. we are in st. louis, missouri. also david limbaugh is here and more straight ahead. my insurance rates are probably gonna double. but dad, you've got... ...allstate. with accident forgiveness they guarantee your rates won't go up just because of an accident. smart kid. indeed. it's good to be in, good hands.

i didn' i didn'tt think i'd say thi, but i'm going to say it. and i hate to say it, but if i win, i am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. there has never been anything like it, and we're going to have a special prosecutor. when i speak, i go out and speak, the people of this country are furious. in my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers at the fbi are furious. there has never been anything like this where e-mails and you get a subpoena -- you get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena, you delete 33,000 e-mails. >> another powerful moment. donald trump saying he would appoint a special prosecutor to investigate hillary clinton's e-mail scandal. that was earlier tonight at the second presidential debate.

joining us now, psychology expert, radio television host dr. gina loudoun. the host of justice, judge jeanine pirro, and lisa boothe. good to see you all. you're the attorneys. i think he's right. i think there's a prosecutable case. >> there's no question there's a prosecutable case. you know, she looked nervous. she really did. what you've got here with hillary clinton is a prosecution for the e-mails and the classified materials. you've also got a prosecution for the clinton foundation. >> yeah. >> you've got a prosecution for perjury, for lying, obstruction of justice. tampering with evidence. it's all there. >> you feel tonight that finally somebody is saying to the clintons what no media person would dare ask that should be asked. >> the fact that they've been surrounded by people who have protected them. she corrupted the department of justice,they lied for her. they destroyed information. they withheld e-mails. >> how do you really feel?

>> i feel the way the country feels. she needs to be prosecuted. he's absolutely right. >> but the case was prosecuted tonight, and that's why trump had such a great night. >> tonight we saw the quintessential difference between somebody who is really there speaking on behalf of the people and somebody who is really there as part of the establishment who, sean, you saw it on her face. she could not believe she was losing that debate, and she was losing. >> she was getting crushed. >> she was, and her eyes were shifting back and forth. true sign of nervousness. >> lisa, yeah. i hear you. >> well, sean, two things i think are really interesting from tonight. look, donald trump wrote the art of the come back, and that's exactly what happened tonight. frank luntz did a focus group, and hillary clinton's support with those swing voters went from eight to four, and trump's doubled eight to 16 or nine to 16 rather. so his doubled. another thing that was interesting about -- it was 18, you're right. sorry. 18. but it went from 9 to 18 after the debate.

another thing that's interesting, if you look at the rnc put out a statement touting the debate tonight so it looks like they may actually be staying with trump and keeping those funds to his campaign versus directing them to down ballot races, which is important for him. >> lisa, these people are such babies. you know, here you have -- >> but, sean -- >> here you have a family that abused women, persecuted women, smeared them, slandered them, a guy that had sex with an intern, cigars and dresses and accusations of rape and groping and grabbing. these guys are upset about a few words? i'm so angry. they're such wimps. >> i get it but the point i'm making is the fact he needs them from a grassroots operation perspective for getting out the vote. he needs them to stay with him, and it looks like based off of the statements tonight, that they might be. >> i think they would. >> you know what i saw tonight? i saw fear in hillary's eyes,

and i saw fear in bill clinton's eyes. and i couldn't help but think as he prosecuted this case, donald trump prosecuted, i couldn't help but think that bill clinton is thinking, am i going to be bill cosby? all of these women, they're like the ghost of my past life, are coming back, and you actually can prosecute both of the clintons for what has happened here. >> but there's one big difference, judge. all right. donald trump used locker room talk, words. what he did was unconscionable, and what they did together is smear, slander, besmirch, and treat these women like garbage. >> they put words into action, and that's the difference. what the clintons did was they violated a criminal law, the penal law, the federal law, the state law, the moral law, and they stand there as if they're on a higher moral ground than donald trump. >> trump was the only -- this, by the way, is an indictment, dr. loudon against the media

because they never asked her these questions. >> no, and she had no answers. >> none. >> she had no answers. she never answered anything about the e-mails. she completely didn't answer it, and then she sat there smiling at the camera with this bizarre little smile like the public was not -- that they didn't deserve the answer. that was the look on her face. so i think there was a message there for the average american. i think that's why so many people probably switched to trump tonight because they saw what all of us have been screaming to say because donald trump had to be the interviewer there because no one else -- >> we're the irredeemables. >> you're definitely deplorable. how long have we been friends? >> it was well worth it. i had a ball. >> back to lisa. >> i think another thing that trump did well tonight was the

fact that he did take on the moderators, and i think that was well played because they were putting a lot of heat on him. >> why did they give her two extra minutes and me one second. >> i loved it. >> it was so true. >> and did you guys notice that after he said that, they sort of changed their tactics with him, and they did ask a couple of tougher questions to hillary clinton. so i think that was important that he did that. but outside of the fact that he landed some really solid hits to hillary clinton, he also brought up issues that were important. he talked about energy. he talked about obamacare. he talked about taxes. and i think that was important because he showed a level of substance that we didn't see from him in the first debate. so i think that was really, really important that he did that tonight. >> i got to ask you one question. does he win, yes or no. >> absolutely. >> does he win the election? >> oh, i don't know. i don't know. i can't say yes. i'm sorry.

[ overlapping voices ] >> we got to break. >> he knows the facts. >> this was powerful tonight. it's going to be interesting to watch poll numbers in the days to come. when we come back, more reaction to tonight's second presidential debate. reince priebus is coming up along with larry elder, doug schoen, david limbaugh and more tonight as we continue from st. louis straight ahead.

just words, folks. it's just words. those words, i've been hearing them for many years. i heard them when they were running for the senate in new york where hillary was going to bring back jobs to upstate new york, and she failed. i've heard them where hillary is constantly talking about the inner cities of our country, which are a disaster

education-wise, job-wise, safety-wise, in every way possible. >> all right. one of the highlights from tonight's second presidential debate. now, earlier, rnc chairman reince priebus joined us in the spin room. for reaction, take a quick look. >> joining us now is the rnc chairman, reince priebus is with us. thoughts on tonight? >> i thought that donald trump did a great job. he clearly won the debate, but i thought what he really did well is he on every question, he pivoted back to hillary. he made the case for himself. but then he asked a big question tonight. look, you've got all these ideas. you've got all these plans. you've been in office for 30 years, and you didn't do it. i mean whether it was about the taxes that -- you know, she's talking about tax loopholes. i think he did a great job on that question, i think talking about libya, benghazi, all of the -- >> syria, iraq. >> her e-mails. you go on and on and on. the fact is what he did tonight, i thought, very well was

prosecuting hillary clinton and the fact that she's been in the public for 30 years, and it hasn't worked. >> i also would argue that this was more about substance in a lot of ways because he still talked about immigration. they talked about syria, iraq, benghazi, foreign policy, putin, russia, and the economy as you point out. i think a lot of substance came in here, and i also feel like he did something he didn't do in the last debate, and that is he decided to hit back. she's been dumping the kitchen sink. kaine has been dumping the kitchen sink. what did you feel about that? >> the whole point is that he wasn't going to sit there and just defend every single charge coming his way. look, as we've said many times, she memorizes a litany of accusations, one after the next, and she memorizes it. she does it with pretty good skill. but the fact that she couldn't remember when the fbi interviewed her about something actually important, 39 times she said she didn't recall, yet she can recall every tiny grievance

that ever came out of donald trump's mouth over 24 years. let's face it. he's lived an extraordinary life and some of it i'm sure is pretty wild, but he was a private citizen. she was in the public eye, and she did things that were inexcusable and many times illegal. >> and he said that, and he said he'd prosecute that. now the american people are going to have a real choice. as i've been saying for a long time, this is a choice election, and there are big issues in play here. on the issue that everybody was talking about coming into tonight, and that is the tape from 11 years ago, he did point out, apologized, said he was embarrassed, said it a number of times. but he also brought up some really horrible behavior by the clintons. it seemed like he was reluctant, but he did it in the end. smar smart? >> well, obviously there's nothing to say good about that tape. i mean i've got nothing good to say about it, of course. and it's terrible. >> but there's nothing good

about their behavior, is there? >> that's right, but their behavior doesn't excuse -- >> no, i'm not saying it does. >> i know. the point is i think he did what he had to do in regard to the tape. but, look, it's something like he said that he was embarrassed by, that he apologizes for. he apologized to his family. he apologized to the american people. he was ashamed. look, i think that what this race has to be about are about things that really, really matter, which is foreign policy, jobs, the economy, and the fact that hillary clinton has had her kick at the can many, many times on these issues. >> yeah. >> and she didn't deliver. look, i can't say much about, you know, good about any of that tape stuff. you know that. but i do think that he did a great job of prosecuting hillary clinton and coming back time and time again. >> mr. chairman, good to see you. thank you so much as always. appreciate it.

thank you. joining us now with more reaction is nationally syndicated talk show host larry elder, doug schoen, and attorney david limbaugh. full disclosure, david has done legal work for me in the past, which i have to say all the time because somebody will write about it tomorrow. >> and hopefully in the future. >> he's one of the best attorneys i know. >> i thought if there is one debate that could turn this election around and have trump recover from this blow he took this week, this was it. it was a phenomenal performance. he was poised. he was prepared. he was calm, and he was firm without being mean. and i thought we had three to one, not two moderators and hillary clinton against donald trump. they couldn't get him off his game. he was able not only to counterattack and turn the personal issues back on hillary without getting -- dwelling on his own personal issues, and then he turned it on substantive issues, and he pointed out six

or seven or eight or ten substantive issues where she's weak and he's much stronger, from isis to calling terror terror, to economic growth, degrading the military, to energy. big on energy. to regulations and taxes. he even deflected the issue about his own personal income tax issue. >> he didn't deflect it. he said he pays hundreds of millions of dollars. >> he turned it around on her. i don't mean he deflected. >> larry? >> who would have thought 24, 48 hours ago that the trump tape ironically would be something that he would turn to his advantage. it gave him an opportunity to be contrite, to say he was embarrassed, to apologize, but it also gave him an opportunity to talk about not only bill's transgressions and alleged rape, but the fact that hillary covered up for all these -- for what he's done and abused the women that made the allegations. he was able to do that without appearing to reach for it. and i got to say something else too, sean. there's so much hypocrisy here. democratic icons.

teddy is an icon. bobby is an a congress. these a -- icon. these are men who are serial -- all this outrage the democrats have over donald trump's behavior is just a bit much to me. >> let me go to doug schoen. doug, you had some very tough criteria for donald trump to hit tonight. i don't think he could have done any better based on your criteria. what do you think? >> let me give you an assessment. i think he stabilized his candidacy, which is a huge, huge victory for him. that's point one. point two, he was more substantive. he did prosecute the case well. here are his challenges going forward. first, he's got to expand his base to all those that are upset with how this country's being run. so far, his base is not big enough to win. but, sean, two other quick points. there are issues that were raised tonight that could

open -- that could change the election. open borders and free trade. in the wikileaks leak, it's clear that hillary has taken positions that are divergent with her public positions. if he can double down on that -- >> she actually said it. yeah, i mean she's now for open borders. but i mean open borders. let's open, what, how many billions of people in the world and she also says a public and private persona. you say one thing publicly, but behind the scenes, she's a very different person. isn't that what everybody hates about politics? >> it is. and when you add in free trade, which she's unabashedly endorsed, and she's opposed now tpp, look, there's a huge opening for trump. but let's not get ahead of ourselves. she's still going to be ahead. she's still the favorite, but this was a big, big stabilizing moment for donald trump. >> the polls have been tight. here's a question i have. is there a group of people that are being polled that won't admit they're voting for trump?

>> i think there's some of that. i don't know. maybe it's wishful thinking on those of us who want to see hillary trounced. but i think there's a lot of people who are not firm. they're not sure, and so you may not call them totally undecided, but they're wishy washy. in a debate like tonight where hillary had no answers and trump hit her from 50 different angles on all four sillcylinders, all t cylinders, she gave no specifics other than saying generically donald trump lies and never did follow up on any of the stuff. and he hit her hard on her lack of integrity and on her lying, and he did it in a way that wasn't mean. i want to emphasize that. >> that's a very -- that's a needle -- threading a needle when you do that. i agree. i think he hit the right pitch and tone and cadence. >> i'm not surprised at how well he did not because i underestimate. i'm just saying you couldn't have had a more phenomenal performance. >> larry, why are you laughing? >> i'm laughing at him saying he's surprised. look, donald trump this time did

his homework. i knew he'd be able to raise his game. hillary can't do any better. i knew donald trump could do a lot did, especially on the issues of taxes. he talked about all the other taxes that he paid. he should have said that the last time. and one final thing. as somebody else pointed out, donald trump was asked, did you do these things? he had to respond to that. hillary has never been asked, did you verbally intimidate juanita broaddrick, an alleged rape survivor, as she said? have you ever done that? she's never been asked that. incredibly unfair. >> you know, it has been unfair, and that's the thing. doug, you got to admit for a long time, the clintons have gotten a pass. the media doesn't ask them tough questions, and what i think was most effective on top of talking about substance and issues and showing a passion, he prosecuted the case. they've been there forever. they haven't got the job done. they are corrupt. they have enriched themselves. and by the way, take the tapes that he said and compare it to their actions, and it's a lot

worse. >> yeah. look, it was well handled tonight. i give it to donald trump. he's going to be elected if he's elected on issues, not the clintons' past behavior on sex. >> he certainly neutralized any -- >> he neutralized -- >> what they did is far worse. >> he neutralized the tape, which is the big accomplishment. >> by the way, i'd hire larry too. he's a good lawyer. >> so am i. i work cheap. >> that's all the time we have left this evening. thank you for being with us. we'll see you back in new york tomorrow night. juanita broaddrick, kathleen will willey will join us. hope you will too.

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good evening from washington university. if you think the first debate between donald trump and hillary clinton was must-see tv, buckle up and get ready for round two. welcome to the second presidential debate. i'm megyn kelly. >> and i'm brett ba irier. four presidential debates, one vice presidential debate. the george w. bush al gore town hall where gore walks across the stage. bill