ditty for us out here? ♪ christopher robins this is a fox news channel special election presentation. countdown to the showdown. now, neil cavuto. welcome everybody. i want to look at something crowds forming for event hours away, this is portsmouth, new hampshire, and they are waiting to hear from donald trump who is fighting back against all these charges and allegations from a number of women who say he groped them and worse over these many years. donald trump is saying it's all a fabrication, all a lie and all a concerted effort on the part of the mainstream media working with the clinton campaign. we will be hearing from both sides on all of this. in the meantime, the one scandal

that doesn't seem to get nearly as much attention, we're on that as well 40,000 more wikileaks e-mails are due to be dumped on the public in the next few weeks, certainly before the election. very few have gotten the attention that obviously we've been seeing directed at mr. trump. we're going to try to get a handle on exactly why that is the case and what some of those e-mails tell us. and then a look at the markets on edge. not so much over the prospect of a hillary clinton win, whether you're for or against that it doesn't really seem to matter to this largely republican crowd. but now the possibility that she could take the senate and/or house with her. conjecture is always wrong, predictions are often very, very wrong, but the read on the market sentiment is pretty fascinating. so peter doocy right now in portsmouth, new hampshire, on what folks waiting in line set to hear from donald trump later today. peter. >> and, neil, a big part of donald trump's defense against these claims that women keep making that he mistreated them more than a decade ago is that

there's just no proof, there's no evidence that anything ever happened. and no reports were ever filed at the time. now his campaign staff is saying on the contrary they've got documentation to backup donald trump's denials of wrongdoing. so they've gone public now with a man who says he was on the plane with trump and one of his accusers when she says she was groped. this fellow flier claims not to have seen anything sinister more than three decades ago. the campaign also unearthed another e-mail from april in which the latest accusers, former "apprentice" contestant also represented by hillary clinton convention attendant gloria alred bragging about how well her restaurant was doing but never mentioned being assaulted. she said i'm in a unique situation being that i am the only former apprentice who operates a business where mr. trump supporters can walk in and express their admiration for him and inquire.

also heard from a former cousin who thinks she's making claims for a cousin. trump also has been tweeting this morning that he thinks the press and clinton campaign are coordinating with each other to tank his chances in november writing that, quote, 100% fabricated and made-up charges pushed strongly by the media and the clinton campaign may poison the minds of the american voter. fix. neil, it's interesting. we got here about 5:00 this morning, it was dark, it's cold because it is new england in october, and people were already showing up for the line. you look at it, there were questions would this controversy have any kind of a big impact on donald trump's chances on his crowd sizes. this is several -- we've seen many hundreds already go in, so there's probably at least a couple thousand people here. they're all very energized. they're chanting in the line throughout the morning. and what's remarkable about a crowd this size in this location is that it's not a place that trump never comes. trump is in new hampshire all

the time. he's actually already done an event back in january with scott brown in the primary at this toyota of portsmouth with scott brown. so the people in this community have already had a chance to see donald trump. but they are back for more, which does raise questions about the real impact of that controversy if it's as bad as some pundits would have you believe, neil. >> yeah, switching on the dial think the end of the world, but i think high time we at least look at a timing of a lot of this stuff. thank you very, very much, peter doocy. now to the other scandal that doesn't get quite as much attention, wikileaks scandal. seems to be a daily basis. thousands more are coming out and thousands more by election day. garrett tenny in d.c. crying to keep up with all of them. garre garrett, what have you found out? what's coming now? >> neil, in this latest batch of wikileaks e-mails just released yesterday, we learn a lot about some of the big issues that have been throughout this campaign. one of them trade deals. it has been prevalent throughout

this race even going back to the primaries, particularly the transpacific partnership trade you'll remember hillary clinton has received a lot of criticism for changing her position on that deal. back in 2012 when she was secretary of state she called it the gold standard in trade agreements. but then as this election got underway she came out against it. well, in this latest batch of e-mails it turns out behind the scenes there was a lot of debate within the clinton campaign about whether that was the right move or not. other e-mails showed it as late as june of last year. clinton herself was also making this case. but you look at these e-mails from last year initially some of her campaign strategists were concerned about what this would do. and they said, this is from pollster john anvalone writing campaign manager rob by mook saying getting on the wrong side of labor on the only issue they care about has ramifications on the ground in these early states. i say we suck it up and be as definitive as possible from the

beginning that we don't like these deals. we will be right with voters and right with labor. we get no integrity gold star for staying pure on this issue because of one line in hillary or because this is a key issue for a lame duck president. the campaign manager, he responded, i know the boss won't be comfortable putting her foot down. now, this was in april of last year. other e-mails show in june of last year hillary clinton was continuing to make the case internally for the tpp trade deal. on june 15th she forwarded staff a column from "the washington post" titled, rescuing the free trade deals writing, damning with faint praise but good arguments. the deal ran counter to what average americans were concerned about saying the issues around economic equity, environment, middle class worker protection seem like throwaways at the end. we need to rebuild the argument around those issues.

now, clinton wrote back saying, i agree, but for more sophisticated audiences or interviews, his points are useful add-ons. now, we should mention that in october, so four months after she wrote that, she came out saying she was against the transpacific partnership trade deal. now, between now and election day wikileaks is expected to release at least 40,000 more e-mails the clinton campaign says meanwhile they have beefed up their e-mail security to try to secure those little bit too late for that though, neil. >> all right, garrett, thank you very much. frank luntz now, pollster, fox news contributor newport beach, california, how all of this is sorting out. what do you think, frank? >> i barely understood the last two minutes of your show. and if i don't understand it, then the american people aren't going to understand it. was hillary clinton playing politics with an important policy issue? absolutely. but when is that not happened? and when you're focusing on donald trump and the sexual allegations, unfortunately when

has that not happened? this is why you have a 20 million person drop in the number of people who watch the debates. this is why this election is being frozen in place. why more americans hate both candidates than at any time in modern american history. and why the public just cannot wait for this to be over. neil, it's going to be very hard to move the needle, which is why this event on wednesday, the very last confrontation between hillary clinton and donald trump is going to determine this election. unless trump emerges with a clear victory, then the presidential race will be preor dane e -- preordained and we're looking at only battle between senate and house. >> we're looking at a poll with hillary clinton a five-point lead. do you expect that to move? >> i think it's now baked in. i think most of the wikileaks

information, which you are correct, the public simply doesn't know -- >> i wasn't talking about wikileaks. i was talking about these other women and their allegations. do you think that hurts him -- >> i'm doing the comparison. no, it doesn't. and the reason why it doesn't is that the public is now come to a conclusion about donald trump as a person. and what the trump campaign doesn't realize is that the way that it is fighting back is actually keeping this an issue. the fact is he's spending much more time on that than he is on talking about change, talking about connecting to real people, fighting to bring about the type of government that the american people are demanding. neil, 72% of americans wanted fundamental change in the way washington works, and yet donald trump is only talking about that in maybe 10% or 15% of his speeches. he's spending way too much time on these allegations. >> you know, i know his supporters are very rabid, they've been with him through all of this, you've always

reminded me those supporters and they're proving it with these long lines in portsmouth, new hampshire, to see him in a couple hours, but he needs more than that. is there any sense you're getting with his fighting these latest allegations that he's jeopardizing that, he's doing so because he said this is just ridiculous, these are not true, he has examples, he'll talk and show individuals who will claim otherwise with some of these charges. but you're saying he's just getting preoccupied with it and knee deep in it, right? >> let me give you the solution to this. number one, he has to announce what he will do in the first 24 hours after he's elected president. and in the first 24 hours after he became president on january 20th. number two, he needs to put forward a half a dozen members of his cabinet so he can demonstrate beyond reproach that he actually has the kind of advisors that the american people would feel comfortable with. number three, he needs to connect not ideology but in the day today concerns of americans

how is he going to provide more choices, more time, more money, fewer hassles, no worries, better lifestyle, better work/life balance. and number four, and probably this is the most important, from the moment you wake up in the morning to the moment you go to sleep at night, what is hillary clinton going to do and what is donald trump going to do? if he does those four things in the debates, he will clarify what it means to have a trump presidency. but if he doesn't, if it is only an attack without any kind of sense of what the difference donald trump would make, then this election will be over. he has four days to figure this out and to talk about it wednesday evening. >> all right. frank, thank you very much. frank luntz. one thing happened with the shift in the polls this week, and it was reflected in the volatility of the stock market. i want to explain what's going on here because many in the market had already factored in a hillary clinton win, whether they like it or you like it or not. something changed this week. something fundamental to their

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all right. markets always work on what they expect and whey they fear, what they don't expect, they factor certain things in and whether you like it or not many have been factoring in a hillary clinton win from right before the conventions. so that was something they

always had out there. that was an expected development. then the unexpected, the possibility that with donald trump's latest troubles he loses in a landslide, and that is hillary clinton takes the house and/or senate with her. and their biggest fear in that kind of scenario is it's the first two years of the obama administration where democratic president working with a democratic congress would have sort of like the run of the table. charlie, kennedy, jessica. jessica, that's what they fear, should they? >> i think it's possible -- i still think it's highly unlikely that the democrats take the house. but now the forecast for taking the senate, we have a 50% chance of doing that and it was below 50% just a week and a half ago. >> odds have improved. >> they have improved. i think you're exactly right. this is why i think paul ryan said kind of save yourself to everyone down ballot, whatever you need to do to keep your seat, do it. if that means backing trump, by all means do that. i think that's why he didn't

unendorse yet. we'll see what happens as the allegations keep rolling. but the market doesn't like that, right? they like the balance. they don't want bernie sanders and they don't want austerity. >> we say markets do best during divided government. >> and people, i think, do best under divided government. it's not that i wouldn't like control. i think control is a great thing. >> sure. >> but at the end of the day the balance is really the key here for everybody. and also it will keep a lot of republicans more satisfied if they have some say what goes on in government. >> what do you think? >> there are more republicans than democrats in the world. >> we have one here. >> yes, we do. and i look at this and historically democratic presidents actually perform better with the market. and markets tend to flourish under democratic presidents, which goes against conventional wisdom. >> but there's a subset to that. democratic presidents working with a divided congress. in other words, a split government. that is what really -- >> they do even better. >> markets like that. >> it's interesting because we

have to ask in this day and age is there really a difference between the two parties when it comes to spending? the answer is no. i know there are a lot of like-minded liberty loving people like myself out there who hope for the best case scenario to be gridlock, that if there is in fact a divided congress and you have, you know, which most likely seems a democratic president at this point maybe they won't get anything done, that means maybe they won't spend any money, however they're both going to the same methadone clinic where they love to write blank checks for their various projects. >> you're right about that last part. not the methadone, but how they like to spend. charlie, their big fear in the markets, this uncertainty you always remind me of, but the other thing if we get the first two years of the obama administration where it's a blank check and you do whatever you want, then the hillary clinton we see in these wikileaks e-mails who seems to be very pragmatic, much more pragmatic on trade deals and the banking industry, that person just goes away and is pulled

hard left by, you know, a progressive movement that says keep writing the checks. and that's the fear, right? >> right. and i would just make a correction. what kennedy said, i think her analysis of democratic presidents doing better under -- markets doing better under democrats is skewed by the clinton years. >> that's actually not true. that's actually every administration since harry truman. >> my point, please -- >> there are several organizations -- >> i think i know what he's going to explain. go ahead. >> can i make my point? i know it's tough, but let me make my point. the clinton years were far from gridlock. the clinton years were bill clinton years were amazing bipartisan agreement on economic issues. >> the last six years were. >> well, that's two-thirds. >> i understand. >> what i would say is that hillary clinton, if she gets a blank check, it's going to be hard to replicate that because she's going to be pushed to the left by elizabeth warren. and it's going to be much more

of a blank check spending than anything you'll see under a donald trump republican congress just based on what she says and what the left of this country wants to do. >> well, you know, jessica, i look at that, i look at the e-mails, i like the hillary clinton that emerges. >> i know, she's awesome, right? >> here's what i like, she's pragmatic and reasonable. >> absolutely. >> that means she's lying when she talks to people on the stump. but that's fine. many politicians have to. that goes if she has full throttle and all of washington at her disposal. and i worry about that. i think unchecked power is dangerous. >> i think it is too. that's not how this was desig d designed, right? founding fathers want us to be balanced. >> you like pragmatic. >> i'm a blue dog democrat. i think the '90s, obviously i think there were some things we should change, but i think the '90s were great in that way. i want everyone to love me on this panel. but what i would say is --

>> i admire that. >> good. >> but that hillary clinton is fundamentally a blue dog democrat. >> i agree with that. >> i agree with that. >> and we saw her measuredness and pragmatism. there was something interesting happened a couple weeks ago, johnny isaacson, republican senator, talking much better relationships between republicans even if they are in minority will be with a hillary clinton and that's something that's important to her, to make sure -- >> that she goes -- >> i don't think she just wants to steam roll everyone. maybe you'll be seeing tpp pass when she said it wouldn't. >> i think she's a total control freak. she's all about steam rolling people and she wants that mandate. you know, you talk about her being a blue dog democrat, and that assumes she's some sort of a centerist. that woman used the term progressive so much from april until philadelphia i thought she was selling insurance. >> but i don't think that's the real her. >> no. >> i think the real her is what she hides to the public. >> so she's a big phony and all she's doing --

>> i'm not here to judge, but i think that's the real woman. that's all i'm saying. >> if in fact she has the mandate, she has both houses -- >> charlie, i'm sorry, wish i had more time. i want to talk to a republican congressman who doesn't like what he sees happening to donald trump after this. i'm my team's #1 fan. yay. sports. i've never been #1 in anything until i put these babies on. now we're on a winning streak and i'm never taking them off. do i know where i'm going? absolutely. we're going to the playoff.

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i want to show you something portsmouth, new hampshire. these are lines forming for chance to see donald trump, and

not for another hour and a half. despite all the controversy, despite all these women with their latest allegations, he remains very popular as far as an event to go to. and they're going to run out of space there. this is a common development when it comes to mr. trump's events. he is expected to rail against these latest attacks on him, particularly the women and the networks he says are working with them. this tweet says this election is being rigged by the media pushing false and unsubstantiated charges and outright lies in order to elect crooked hillary. steve king, iowa congressman, big trump supporter with me right now on the phone. congressman, he is expected to feature those who will argue with some of these women have said, including this one woman who said that he, you know, was all over her i think 30-plus years ago on a commercial

flight. but that's out there. should he keep talking about it, or is he justified in clarifying what he says is his innocence? >> you know, neil, i think you need to put a combination of this together. what is prudent political judgment and how does that match up with donald trump's personality? and i just don't know that you can hold him back from rebutting something that he believes is untrue and unjust. so maybe you need to give him about 24 to 36 hours to burn that part of it down out of his personality. then package it up, then focus back on the issues because he's spoken to it. but 30 years ago on an airplane, you know, none of us are immune from such an allegation. these allegations all coming up especially at the same time within a couple days of each other, it does cause one to suspect where were they before, why did we hear none of this up until after -- up the beginning to and after this last debate? that's what i would say to him is focus on these issues, he has

an opportunity at this debate coming up to score another unanimous decision over hillary clinton. and that's where the focus needs to be. and what's going to move voters out here still is the realization that we could lose our constitution, our borders, we could lose rule of law with hillary clinton. and donald trump holds all that together and restores it. i think that's where the center of this needs to be. and i'm going to call upon the american people to have a conscience about where you're directing america when you walk into the voting booth november 8th. >> you know, last week when the attention was on st. louis and we were there, there was a suspicion after the release of the first tapes going back 11 years that there would be other tapes forthcoming, other women forthcoming. and sure enough there were. maybe others are being planned, if there's a deliberate rollout to sabotage him. if that is the case, then i've heard from those who say he does have a case to counter them

directly, especially as he claims that they're false and to ignore that would be saying they're right, i did this. what do you think? >> you're exactly right on that. in fact, the comparison is right there in front of us. the wikileaks on hillary clinton's e-mails and those of podesta's and others, they're not -- hillary clinton has not rejected the truth within them and no one doubts that those e-mails that are out on wikileaks are true. so the same thing would go for the allegations about the alleged misconduct for donald trump, he's got to rebut them. it's a lot better if some of the rest of us can do that for him, but sometimes you just aren't in a position to do that. >> how do you feel about that? there aren't too many like you in the republican party doing that. >> well, from where i sit, i don't know anything about these allegations, so i'm not really in a position to rebut them. >> i understand. >> and none of us defended the

statement that he made and he apologized for it. but i just look at this thing and i think the rationale of republicans that think they want to run away from donald trump and somehow or another save themselves that others need to hold majority in the house and senate, i think that's the wrong political calculation, you are joined at the hip with your nominee, like it or not. and that means that once that decision is made and it's clear that i had -- i'm the national co-chairman for ted cruz for president campaign. i stepped back and analyze the agenda coming out of donald trump, i heard his speech on thursday night in cleveland, his acceptance speech, every plank along that way is something i can accept, but a couple i'm enthusiastic about. that's what we need to do. this has always been about policy. it's always been about an agenda. we can't let this become about allegations which i think one thing we can say almost for certain is a number of these

allegations are false if not all of them. >> well, there are a lot of them coming out, timing is curious to your point, congressman. thank you very much. >> thank you, neil. >> i should mention since a lot of these allegations have come out, let's say over the last week or so, the first wave of them, we've added a few hundred billion dollars to our debt, just saying. why is no one talking about that? meet the guy who is. but is anyone listening? after this. hey, jesse. who are you? i'm vern, the orange money retirement rabbit from voya. orange money represents the money you put away for retirement. over time, your money could multiply. hello, all of you. get organized at voya.com.

the teleprompter is a bummer. that doesn't work. that means the company doing the teleprompter is in the back, that means they didn't do a good job. so i won't pay them, right? i won't pay them. you have a bad contractor, don't pay or cut the price. you have a good contractor, get that money out fast. but the country should do the same thing. >> all right, i agree what he said about teleprompter people,

you know? prompter, why did you stop? welcome back everybody. i'm neil cavuto. donald trump going right back at critics who say callous and heartless when he doesn't pay contractors or those that do jobs for him he says he only does that in the event the contractor does a lousy job. and he says as president you want a guy like that who's watching your pennies and watching those who are taking advantage of those pennies. to david stockman, former reagan budget director throughout his life has not paid a single contractor. i'm kidding. good to see you. >> very good to be here. >> does he have a point? >> yeah, he has a point. no one develops tens of billions of dollars worth of projects over a 40-year period and not pay his contractors. you get a bad reputation. no one will work with you. that's the end. so probably he was a tough negotiator, probably too tough. a lot of people -- >> would you rather have that kind of an s.o.b. watching our money -- >> that would be okay.

you always said you want a junkyard dog in the budget office and maybe backed up by someone in the oval office of the same propensity that wouldn't be so bad. >> now, with all this stuff coming out, we're not talking about any of this. >> i know. i know. but this campaign is over, you know, it's not that hillary won. it's that the national press committed a ritual political assassination of the republican candidate. the howling pack of jackyls they've turned into the last couple days. >> do you think he could have survived this media today back in 1980? >> i doubt it. back in the summer of 1980 it was the same charge, he was a wild man we didn't want his finger on the button, et cetera, et cetera. >> how did he answer that? what did he do? >> he basically presented himself as nonthreatening,

thoughtful, articulate, balanced, friendly, pleasing. >> not always done. >> i think i know something about that. i was his debating partner -- >> reagan? >> yeah, in practices in 1980. the difference between the way reagan prepared himself, listened to his advisors, worked on his lines over and over, tried to figure out how to communicate in a way that would be compelling. you know, this guy isn't doing any of this. he's decided to take the whole ship down. this will be scorched eed eart. we're going to be so deep in the gutter by the time the election is over that -- >> you know, i can understand his frustration. and he is right about the disproportionate attention. we've clocked it. we're going to be doing more about it about how much time has been devoted to his scandals, whatever you want to call them, versus hillary clinton and the wikileaks that are actually far more deeply disturbing. but leaving that aside, does he keep bringing them up to his

advantage or to the scorched earth analogy you use he just goes out in a blaze of goilory? >> whether that's his advantage or not it will be scorched earth. let's understand what happened here. okay. this is not just a flawed character. the ruling elites, as i call them, washington wall street elites are petrified of a trump presidency. they are petrified of someone in the oval office who hasn't been drinking the kool-aid for 30 years thinks maybe nato is obsolete, maybe it is. who thinks maybe janet yellen doesn't walk on water that interest rates for zero for 94 months are creating a huge bubble, as he called it. one big fat ugly bubble. so they have decided he must be taken down at all costs. and that's what this is -- >> so you think there's likely to be more tapes even the way they rolled out and we see that cozy relationship with clinton. whether he loves hillary clinton or not, it's very clear she was

in tight in these exchanges with establishment media figures proves it, which could prove reluctance to showcase a lot of these type of exchanges. >> yeah, of course. the national media is in the tank for the establishment, for the status quo, for the clinton organization. and they're in the tank for what the fed is doing and frankly when it comes to foreign policy, equally uncritical. they're not doing the job. i grew up in the '70s. remember what happened with all these hearings and all the abuses that were going on and the fbi and the whole national security apparatus and there were open hearings and they got to it. look at the media today. they just report whatever the pentagon puts out. >> zeroing in on these studies both of their tax and spending plans, hillary's with her roughly $2 trillion in taxes over ten years makes better debt sense than donald trump's big tax cuts. and they say the math favors her boosting the economy than him.

what did you think of that? >> i think it's irrelevant what these studies are saying because after this election we're going to have a dysfunctional government. >> we already do. >> it is going to be so dysfunctional, so raw, so fractious, so politically, you know, driven that nothing will happen for a couple years at least. >> so the debt continues -- >> the debt is on automatic pilot. it's going to be back at the trillion dollar range. we just had a new 35% increase last year. we're back up to $600 billion. >> you're talking about a debt we would be looking at in one year of $1 trillion. >> and i think we're looking at another recession. no one outlawed the business cycle. we're looking at a baby boom retirement wave that's incredible, no one canceled the baby boom. you put all that together and we are going to be so deep in the soup fiscally -- >> do you worry as some on wall

street have about there used to be an uncertainty, now they're worried it could be more of a certainty that hillary clinton wins and takes either the house and/or senate and that all bets are off in that one because it would just promote more spending? >> you know, i don't think so. i think the house that's why ryan has moved to separate himself. he's going to defend his majority. i think the -- >> the senate maybe not. >> well, the election in the house happened in the jer gerrymanders so whatever the hot sentiments are of the moment in the nationwide election is not going to really drive the house. >> but she would be more emboldened again assuming -- >> she might be more emboldened, but they're going to be out for revenge. the house is going to become a killing field for anything that the clinton administration tries to do. >> i see. >> and if -- they're going to have one investigation after another, people should be thinking about this. and if they can find half the reason, they will start impeachment hearings.

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new hampshire and maine and elsewhere. meanwhile, connor mcshane has been crunching the electoral numbers, where does he stand? >> frank luntz telling you earlier hard to move the needle now, as we turn to the electoral map i think that's maybe one of the more important comments we've heard this hour because the way we've colored in this map behind me, we've taken the states solidly blue or leaning blue and precolored them blue. same for red. where does that leave us? over 300, 270 fleeded to win for hillary clinton. as of this morning 180 for donald trump. so trump, it's not like there's a path there that he can go down, it's a path that is currently blocked that he needs to remove that roadblock from. so the obvious thing is that he needs to take the four states that are still on the map and put those in his column, north carolina, ohio, utah, which believe it or not is still in play largely because of evan mcmullen and win in arizona, but that still leaves him obviously far short. so then you look at blue states and you say, well, if you're mr. trump, where do you take a state and start to turn it? i mean, there's no other choice but to start with florida, take the 29 electoral votes there.

but even if you do that, hillary clinton is still above the 270 needed to win. so that bripgs us to today and mr. trump's travel schedule that neil was just talking to you about going to the far northeast section of our country to go to two states that have four electoral votes each. so as we go to the polling on those states, here's what we see. first of all, in new hampshire hillary clinton at the moment is favored to win new hampshire. that's why we have it leaning blue 41-38 in a four-way race. however, donald trump has been close there in the past. he's still hoping that he can turn it around and take those four electoral votes and put it in his column. yes, we understand the math tells us all of this is a long shot, but that's obviously what he's hoping. why maine? well, maine, we look at the polling in maine you'll see something similar that hillary clinton has the lead. she's been leading in the state of maine and she's even more of a favor to win there, 42 to just over 37. however, maine is a little bit unique in the fact it's one of the states along with nebraska that if you win the state, you don't get all the electoral

votes. so the winner in maine will get two electoral votes, the statewide winner, that leaves two on the board. there are two congressional districts. so you can pick up one electoral vote, say if you're donald trump and hillary clinton wins maine by being competitive in that particular congressional district. that basically, neil, is where we stand right now. it is a long shot, the idea of putting this all together in such a short amount of time. not a lot of people think it can be done. the math doesn't tell us. but that's the path you need to take a blue state, starting with florida, take it off the map and turn it around. >> now, these polls are showing i know the real clear politics average, but we go on average them all out, but they're all pre the latest women coming out, right? >> yeah, most of them are. average you take a number of polls and put it into one, so five, six, seven polls could be done. >> but even in the battleground state polls. >> we don't have a lot of data to your point, up to that. that's exactly right. we don't have a lot of data. after the last debate we started to see all the data we did have

was turning more in the favor of hillary clinton. for the most part. maybe not 100% across the board, but most of those battleground states were in her favor there. >> all right. thank you very much. you'll be back in the next hour, but it is interesting to note if you can stop that blood letting and actually build from there, post these allegations, that might be telling. again, might be telling. but we shall see. in the meantime, you might have heard i think next week there's a debate in vegas. but you might remember that vegas tends to have memorable kind of events, right? like a lot of these sanders folks who went nuts there earlier in the year. and right now they're hearing about these e-mails when everything they suspected about hillary clinton apparently was true. now what?

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>> you know if you look at these polls across the country, especially in battleground states, especially all of them, three, these latest allegations from women, still going back many years. having said that, though, it is tight in a lot of nevada, just as you saw there included. nevada, of course, has always had a tenuous, particularly on democrats, particularly among bernie sander's supporters here, a tenuous relationship with hillary clinton. they didn't believe her anti-trade sentiment. they didn't believe her anti-wall street railing. they didn't believe a lot of this stuff, all these wikileaks that come out and confirm a lot of that. then there was this idea that maybe clinton forces were working a bit too closely with the democrat establishment to

secure her premier space and super delegates, all of that ancient news, you would think. maybe not. tv founder adrian ashley, very good to have you. the more we get on these wikileaks stuff, depending on the amount of coverage, not much t. more sanders' supporters and worst fears and suspicions are realized, does it boomerang on her in that state? the polls, what do you think? >> i think the polls are not accurate. everything we said that happened is proven. everything we suspected has been proven. but the media is not covering the fact that wikileaks is out there. you have 99% coverage on trump making a lewd comment 11 yeemplths you don't have really any coverage of what clinton said at her speeches. we have been asking her to disclose those for a year. >> so let me ask you about that. you said these calls are not

accurate. they show her with a slight lead. you don't buy that? >> i don't buy that. i don't buy that at all. here's the thing, if you look at the number of people who show up at the rallies, just count the bodies, you have trump filling stadiums. you have hillary barely filling high school gymnasiums. it's not the same level of enthusiasm. so when people get called. i get called in nevada, probably three times a day for different polls. >> is that right? >> it's a lot of polling going on. you know, they're calling people. but they're calling people who are on land lines, they're not calling the cell phone people the millennials, they're not calling the bernie sanders' people. a lot of nevada bernie sander's supporters are still bernie or bust. unfortunately, through some form of shenanegan, i will call it she nan dependant, jill stein is not on the ballot. she was likely to pick up 40% of the bernie sander's delegates and all the voters. so she's not on the pal lot. >> i know, where do they go?

that's always been the question, do they, whatever suspicions of hillary clinton jump to donald trump? or do they have doubt? how do they not participate or what? >> most of them are going to gary johnson. >> wow. >> as a strict protest vote. because even though gary johnson doesn't have the same values as bernie sanders, if you meet the man, he has the same honesty as bernie sanders. and his -- >> what are you going to do? >> i'm voting johnson. i'm voting for a third party because if four years ago i want to make sure that we have more than two choices. i think the two-party system is what is destroying any semblance of bipartisan or any progress that we could possibly have. because when you watch them in congress, they bounce off each other like magnets rappelling each office. they can't work together. because the party comes before the people. we need to break that up. it's monopoly. >> thank you very much, very good having you. >> thank you. >> that could be interesting.

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apparently, you didn't hear from me, there is a debate. chris wallace is moderating it. some basic issue, five or six, the death, the economy, terror. this is sort of like the wheel for donald trump. again he did very well in that town hall format, which this is not. we have a political science professor at iowa state. how he figures this format especially at this time will go. what do you think, professor? >> i think neither of them will talk about the topics they're supposed to talk about.

it will go off into all kind of directions, because the news cycle is so contaminated with on the one hand the hacked e-mails. on the other hand, more women coming out and donald trump defending, you know, his reptration. so i think we'll see a lot of that. >> all right. now, if that is the case. i know chris wallace will try to control that. like you say, oftentimes, it's very, very tough. let's say it's a 1-1 tie with these debates. he came back, down in the second, the pattern of late of the recent election years has been, you know, there's, whoever wins the second wins the third. can they close the deal? a very different scenario with donald trump. but what do you think? >> i think it's very possible. we don't know what other wikileaks are going to come out just before the debate and if it's something spectacular that people can actually understand, except for people like you and i and political wants.

we understand what's in there. i sit in line here in nevada voting the other day on the first day of voting and people weren't talking about wikileaks. they weren't talking about trump's personal behavior. they wanted to know more about the economy, jobs and how to conduct foreign policy. >> you know, that's interesting. you know, i think some of what you say, professor, you should automatically run away and come up with a different opinion. i think they each have their suspicion or dim views of each candidate. in other words, a lot of these allegations, they don't shock people about donald trump. a lot of these revelations about how he says one thing and feels another. on the wikileaks trove of e-mails released don't exactly shock people. so now they're focussed on issues, if you are right. then who is the edge there? and who could use this debate to their advantage to push that edge? what do you think? >> well, obviously, donald trump

could really score big if he sticks to those topics, because if he has some policy position on why, some suggestion on how we can improve the economy and how we can conduct our foreign policy better, that will make him presidential. as you said, nobody's surprised at hillary clinton and the democrats were scheming things. you know, donald trump was a celebrity on tv on a reality show, so i think a lot of people are not that shocked, you know the entertainment industry is pretty raw. so these things to some extent are not as shocking as some of the media are making them out. i think trump should do -- 12k34r people are more inclined to understand and grasp the donald trump allegations than they are the wikileaks allegations, so does that give hillary clinton an advantage? >> well, it does, except i wonder if she really wants to continue to press on those particular issues, because they're kind of taking care of themselves, you know what i'm

saying. she doesn't have to point out to them that a woman reached under her skirt. that's big news already. so you know, it's very difficult to tell how this debate is going to go. maybe donald trump's teleprompter will go down again? >> what do you think will happen again? will it be a hail mary pass? i look at these polls, they're competitive within a couple of point, so, i don't know, what do you think? >> well, they are, as we always know, in the end, everything tightens up, it will be probably a very close race. we'll have to wait until election night are and you know then after that, it gets each more interesting. >> yeah, especially after election fight. professor, thanks for taking the time. i appreciate it. >> thanks, neil. all right. we did talk about the wikileaks stuff. hillary clinton is off the campaign trail, apparently studying up for the third and final debate. we have more on how team clinton is dealing with all of this.

sir. >> reporter: hey, good morning, neil, and there are continued questions of democrats and those in the clinton campaign about this almost daily release now of john modesta's e-mails from wikileaks t. approach in the clinton campaign is they refuse to discuss the contents of the e-mails and controversies within them an refuse to authenticate whether they're actually the e-mails that come from his campaign or his e-mail account. instead, they are deflecting this spire controversy to the alleged perpetrators of this hack, the russians. >> governor pence has condoned that and we think that he's pretty speaks volumes of what donald trump needs to admit and, you know, beyond that, we're not going to comment about the e-mails. >> reporter: the campaign is also refing reporters to former national security official works with the campaign have expressed

outrage at the idea that a foreign government couldtacher with a u.s. election. hillary clinton arrived from the west coast back here to the east coast last evening. she was out west doing some fund raising. she held a couple events in california and in washington state involving elton john and macula more after her fundraising trip. she is now back studying for wednesday's debate here in new york. she has no public events scheduled this weekend, neil, that is something the trump campaign trit krilt sized her campaign, saying she lacks the stamina and energy to campaign or be president. hillary clinton addressed that yesterday at a fundraiser. she says her campaign schedule has been grueling and she has the stamina to do sof her campaign says they expect after wednesday's debate that her campaign schedule will intensify. neil, back to you. >> rich, real quickly, when you were mentioning about how they're really dismissing a lot of the wikileaks stuff, because of the source of getting them out there, the russians, also

not to comment on them, i guess, period. i don't remember anyone in the campaign questioning their accuracy or veracity, that these things really happened. what have you we heard? >> what their line is on this is we are not going to confirm or discuss this. we're not going to help wikileaks. at times they sort of delve into the conversation surrounding what's in those e-mails, but their line on this is usually every time you ask them about a specific case and a specific e-mail, they'll say, we're not going to confirm that this is accurate or this did come. instead, we'll talk about how terrible the russians are for having done this. >> all right. thank you, my friend, following team clinton right now as she gets ready for the third and final debate. there is news going on today with john kerry's meeting with his counterparts from russia and iran. all of this on syria with iran saber rattling the russians are

bulking at any type of agreement when it comes to dealing with refugees. and then there is this tiny little issue of how that whole thing could blow up before election day. we're on that with the guy who killed osama bin laden after this.

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hurricane matthew, just north carolina alone to 26. post-of the victims and in this case were found in flood waters that received it, a couple in their car. but to date, 43 killed nationally in this storm. more than a thousand, more than a thousand in haiti. but again, as is the case with storms like these, tree branches are people who drown or unexpectedly get caught in flood waters. and they discover the bodies when waters recede. this is the latest indication of that. also another development we are following now as we surmised about to the show, more wick xi leaks documents are out. we'll keep you posted on that also keeping you posted on talks going on half a world away, featuring john kerry, the secretary of state meeting with counterparts in russia and syria to try to do something about what seems to be a refugee

onslaught here that is now out of control. right now, not much optimism or signs of progress. but it's still early. former u.s. navy seal, the man that shot osama bin laden is with us right now. so much going on, but first on the wikileaks stuff because it does potentially touch on these talks. >> that is how the administration works with the hillary clinton campaign to get the message out. they're kind of joined at the hip. >> as with the -- >> the administration is doing all it can to promote the peace, help the refugee, when hillary clinton announced in one batch concern about how we can vet them. >> well she pretty much admitted there is no vetting process right there. a lot of these are political decision made behind closed doors. they all know there is not a proper vetting process, but in order to fulfill their vision just to be the peace makers, they will bring as many people

as they can. does it seem unhuh 457bitarian, even though is a a threat. >> she is concerned about it. >> she was concerned about it. in an e-mail she didn't think were going to be seen. it's obvious she knows. she's smart. she knows what's happening with those guys. it's disheartening, we even have isis going to take advantage and send their fighters through. they are, they l. it's too bad we are letting it happen. we need to 2350i7bd a way to vet them and it's not there and hillary clinton apparently knows it. >> with these talks, counterpart, syria, russia, deem with this. do you expect any progress? >> i don't think anybody stresses progress. the russians said they don't expect. john kerry is not optimistic about anything. they're trying to bring everyone in. they got representatives from turkey, cairo, representatives from iran will show up, which is interesting. they're doing everything because we gave them so much money with

the horrible nuclear deal. they're using a lot of that money to fund the houthi rebels who were shooting michigans at our ships in the gulf of aid. >> that doesn't get talked a lot. >> it doesn't take much for that to get out of control. >> it doesn't. they're sending ships to the gulf of aidan, i would not recommend doing that, we're not -- we're not saber rattling right now. but if you mess with a destroyer, they're called a destroyer for a reason. they didn't call eight destroyer because they ran out of fames. it destroys things. etching from anti-anti-ship. this was uncould have had, they used a sea sparrow anti-missile missile for the first time. these are missiles that shoot down. they actually used them. they're not saying whether or not they shot a missiles down. they're saying the missiles hit the water. iran will find out a hard way if they hit the water. >> we will fight back this time. >> it means eventually the boats

that chase our ships around, they will blast them. who knows? i wouldn't want to go with anybody. we're showing we won't do anything. iran is messing with us. russia and syria. russia won't do anything. we had a deal in the ukraine in the mid-'90s, we said, you get rid of your nukes, we'll protect you from russia? what happened, vladimir putin came in and took crimea. people haven't stopped him. >> sladz southlands and others, back to the mother chunt, almost like they're preparing for something. >> you need to have some sort of leverage and renegotiate. we don't have anything everything. okay t. line's here. we don't do anything. we did well in afghanistan when we invaded. we messed that up by rebuilding the place. we have proven we can crush people when we want to. then we get all political and forget the thing. i don't think much will come out of these talks. i wish they would. syria is a complete mess.

>> hillary clinton if she were to get reelected, what do you think? >> i think hillary would have a stronger policy than obama. he believes he can talk through things and everything will be fine. i think hillary has a part in her she doesn't like to be crossed and she would use a little more strength. >> hillary is mean, though 12k3w4r she does, i was a navy seal when she was secretary of state, when we rescued ripped philips, she was a part of saying what we do. it was a new administration. she had been around. i think she understands foreign policy. i think she would be able to negotiate with the russians better than this administration. >> as you say. thank you very much. >> great to see you, neil. >> we have a lot more coming up, including more on the wikileaks the latest batch coming out, thousands to sort through. but we are. i can tell you they involve a lot of exchanges back and forth with campaign chair

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>> you ever get the feeling maybe this is a good time for both candidates to go to confession. i don't know what this account is, actually. if you think about what's come up in this campaign with the charges and the language out of donald trump and the flip-flopping and outright lies out of hillary clinton, let someone do, the action is grand rapids,py. father, there are a lot of kids who are hearing this, there are a lot of catholics and evangelicals that don't like the way they're dismissed if these e-mails by the clinton campaign folks. what do you tell folks? >> well, you tell them the truth. you tell them where we have here is a political party attempting to manipulate and undermine the religious beliefs of religious institutions in this country.

you have to tell them the truth. it's not a matter of confession. it's a matter of excorsisms. this is diabolical. >> what the clinton campaign was vaiing if e-mails about catholic, particularly conservative catholics? >> yeah, the entire season. but this in particular right now, which is what we are talking about, then you have sheer arrogance going on, disdain for the belief of others. basically, what you see here, their view of religion. bring the way, whether they deny the authenticity of this or not, let's remember that hillary clinton herself said the time las come for religious o,s to change their outdated teachings. she said that publicly in a speech. so this just reveals what's going on among themselves. what you have is an attempt to undermine religious institutions on the part of political organization.

and this should alarm everyone across the board, whether they're progressives who are concerned about the division of power in this country or religious people who are insulted at the disdain being shown to their beliefs. no wonder they don't want to talk about these things. they can't possibly talk about these things and come out looking food. >> they come back at folks like you, father, say, well, he sure is upset what we might or might not have said, or e-mailed about catholics, not a word about donald trump or may have said worse done to women you say. >> oh, i'm on record what i think about donald trump you know, this is not about -- my complaints about hillary clinton are in no way an endorsement of donald trump, his behavior. i think you have a similar thing going on there, because his, his outward behavior should not be surprising anyone. what they caught on a microphone

shouldn't concern anyone. that's always exactly what he's said, as he portrayed himself. what we have in the nation is a crisis. we lost the ability to have conversations with each office. everyone is pulled off into this bulcanization. we've lost the common grammar that we used to have that enabled us to speak past our differences and this is the secularation is and sexuality. we have to reconstitute this whole thing after this election, no matter who gets elected. >> you know, we talk about the courts telling this campaign period and i'm wondering, though, with some of the discussion about catholics and evangelicals, if we were to switch muslim there. >> or jews. >> there would be much more outrage, what do you think? >> of course. absolutely. you know, i think for a long time, traditional christianity has taken it on the nose because

of the politicization of religion. you see it particularly in this batch of e-mails that we have been talking aboutf even religious breefrs believers are catholics. i don't know if they practice their faith. what you see the priority for them is not religion, it's politics. to disdain someone for baptizeing their children catholic coming out of the mouth of a check, i mean, that's why i say, this is more than a matter of confession, this is a matter of excorsism. >> there was much more of a targeting. the catholic monolithic might be in terms of voting, tends to vote as a block for democrats. you remind me, the bracket thing, but why is that? why as a block do they why are they reliably democratic? >> well, that goes back in history over 100 years, you had the republicans being no nothing, they were

anti-immigrants, particularly at that time catholic immigrants. there was a kind of cryptoracism in what they were saying. they were afraid of the power of the roman catholic church. all of this is embedded in part of the elitism of american history. and catholics reacted to that. and then especially after the war, there were a lot of benefits offered to these immigrant groups after the war. and catholics aligned with a democratic party at that time that is different tan the democratic party today. because at least they were family-friendly. they were patriots. they were certainly pro-life, pro marriage. all of those things. this has all been thrown on its head right now and that's why i say after the election, there's a lot of work to do. >> there is, indeed, father, very food seeing you again. >> good to see you again, neil. >> we have a lot more on this, including a breakdown of those

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>> all right. it comes down to a lot of swing state, forget polls nationally. look at these battleground states. we are looking at three of them that could dell a lot about how this all end up. >> these are, neil the big three, i think florida, ohio, north carolina. we will highlight this. the problem for donald trump when we you know base this on data is that he still even when we turn these states in his fave in a hypothetical had some issues. state that are either solid or leaning blue. hillary clinton has over 300 electoral votes. three are true tossups. if we take carolina and ohio and

turn them head, it is a help for donald trump. if you take florida out of the blue column, where it's leading right now, according to polling data we have, turn it red, it's still a problem for donald trump there's your problem. hillary clinton is above the 270 needed to win. keep that in the back of your head. he will need more than this if he will turn the tied and put the election in his number. here are the states i talked about, florida, we are using the clear cut politics average, we get you up to the middle of this week, averageing them together. hillary clinton 45, donald trump 42. it's about a three-point lead, certainly within striking distance here. hillary clinton has the lead, florida has been leaning in her direction. now, with that, let's go to the other ones. we will look at the other two states lined up for you. it's fairly similar in north carolina as you will see, ohio is the closest of the bunch. it's an obvious must win for donald trump. he only had a one-point win

there, according to latest polling which came out this week from the "wall street journal" and nbc. the same polling. nbc, the wall street poll in north carolina. hillary clinton is up four. it has been closer in other polls. the point is donald trump has some work to do even if those key swing states. he ended on the big pap, neil. utah which i know has been reporting this week is seen as a tossup state right now. it's closer and also arizona. yes, these are the big three, these states, if donald trump can turn them in his fave, he is obviously in better shape. it's not enough. that's the state of the race and where things stand right now. >> i notice a lot in these polls. it's not so much she has improved, her going out as donald trump going down. and you got to wonder with these latest women and their latest allegation, whether that continues or it's not as if

support for her is surging's much as support for him is dropping. >> that's fair. it speeblgs to his strategy on the other side of it, right? he comes out so aggressive. we'll see what he does in new hampshire and maine today. is he trying to suppress her support that that it's noted a enthusiastic and bring her down to meet him. a lot of people think that's the only strategy he has left at this point. we'll see. thank you very, very much tvenlts one thing we do know is the wikileaks stuff the revelations on what had come out, you have we heard, has not really registration sterd in the polls or dramatically hurt her. it could be because there isn't a lot more coverage of it of donald trump and his travails. why a guy who was a publishing tycoon finds that a little bit disturbing after this. when they actually did start saving. this gap between when we should start saving

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the base is what i grew up in. you know, i'm basically your standard redneck. >> this is in the swatch of crazy that has been fed over and over and over and over again. >> you could put half of trump

supporters into what i call the basket of deplorables. >> all right. they're obviously their own views. but when you extend it to those who vote for donald trump, and is that dismissive? is that a food thing? does that give you incite into where the prominent democrats are coming from when they look at the supporters. you can see the battleground states, there are a lot of them. are they all just deplorable redneck idiots? . we have someone from the washington times, amy holm, ras pusen reports right here with me. rasmussen reports. right here with me. what about the candidate, extending for those that don't want to vote for him? >> i think it's nasty, unfair and tactically unwise. i think a part of what they're trying to do is get out to vote,

get their base motivated to go to the polls to defeat trump, but for hillary clinton or whoever takes the white house, if you want to be president of all the people and you dismiss these people, i think it's hard to get the support all of american wants. when it comes to rassmussen reporting, we are showing volatility in this race. on monday hillary clinton was ahead of druven by seven points after the bic big ""access hollywood"" video, on friday drouch was up two points. >> your out higher, your distinction is it's among likely voters? >> and a four way race, including jill stein and gary johnson if those numbers. i think it's unwise for the hillary team, it sound to me they're going low, they're not going high. >> oh, that's interesting, madison, whatever i say, besides what prominent democrats include the present president and the last president and the woman that wants to be president say

about donald trump's base is what they're saying about other voters out there, evangelicals and catholics and those who might not be big fans of hillary clinton's -- it's coming through again in these e-mails. but is there an arrogance there that can come back to bite their heinie? >> absolutely. when you look a undecided voters or on the fence voters thinking of voting for hillary. when they hear these comments about catholics an evangelicals, i don't think they will be willing to jump that fence and vote for her. at the same time the white basket of deplorables will have a large effect on the election. you look back to 2012. mitt romney is 40%. the barack obama you didn't build that comment. these have a minor effect. i think what voter, especially undecided voters want to hear about the economy. we are not hearing we have less men between 25 and 54 working than we did at the end of the great depression.

these are the things that matter and i think donald trump should focus on when you have these voters turned around by certain words spoken by hillary clinton and her campaign. >> you are a progressive. but you are a very decent human being. >> thank you, neil. >> and yet it's rare by the way on the right or the left under my plan. but you must be tortured a bit when you hear this language or this dismissive language. you might not like the candidate, but to dissparrage the candidate's supporters is never a good thing i think. it just reveals a character flaw in yourself, doesn't it? >> well, i thank you for what you said about me, neil, i would always prefer a civil conversation. i joke about that a lot on our program, because i prefer that and i certainly would previous the people running for the president of the united states be civil to each other. i think that would be better. i would quibble with what amy said. i agree with what amy said.

in that i think it is strategically unwise for the democrats to be making these comments, not tactically perhaps. i agree with padson, this isn't going to hurt them with the people. this isn't going to hurt them with their buys or trump's base. they've made their mind up. so, sure, we shouldn't say these kind of thing about anybody in our country. we should be positive. >> i think there are people flabbergasted on the left with donald trump supporters and how they stuck by him through all of this stuff. we saw signs of that with lines in ports mouth. i think there will be similar lines in may. they can't quite understand that. and whether it's the president yesterday, you know, blaming republicans, you made this fravengen stein, i'm paratradesing here. what do you think of that? >> which is strange when you consider the solidarity around bill clinton when he was president of the united states and going through his own travails as you put it in terms of sex scandal. you saw great support and loyalty for that president and

his supporters saying, because of his positions on policy -- >> and invading russia at the time or now to get his accusers on air. >> certainly not. >> there is a huge phalanx of supporters on these things. i think similar things on the donald trump side, you see his supporters saying i pay not agree on his behavior here, but he is right on the issues important to me. >> do you think there is a chance for a movement, the good for donald trump, standing on the polls, of course, in battleground states he's losing it's within a couple point. that's with these latest ladies coming out with aelths, what do you expect to happen? the debate rides in importance. is it that you like to move the meter? what do you think? >> i don't think we will see a lot of movement on the bases on either side. with the undecided voters, like

mentioned earlier, i think there is more than we realized. like we have talked about before, a lot of these polls aren't representative of what we will see in november, because they're not accounting for a lot of new voters, voters on cell phones, things like that. they polling land linings, which tends to be older voters. they think that trump's message -- >> really dramatically old. but adam, do you see a surprise coming? >> no i think we see exactly where this is going. i just amy i think what you said is really interesting. i don't think trump's voters agree with his policies,ive think they agree they want change, they want this whole thing blown up. they're not changing their mind about. that just as i think most voters aren't changing their mind right now. >> adam, i agree with you, he's their incredible hulk. he will go to walk and smash, smash, smash, when his campaign took off he addressed illegal immigration.

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>> you know, i always think debates are getting under the other guy's skin or getting them off script or jostleing a bit. say what you will of a maryland

government, hillary clinton is a good debater. he's a good debater. not that he will give donald trump tips here. the issues that will likely come up. governor, it's very good to have you. thanks for outlined that are going to come up in the debate. i almost think you could throw that away, governor, with the news and developments with donald trump, and wikileaks with hillary clinton. so i don't know how my friend chris wallace took that out, or the candidates ignore on that. how will this debate firm things up? there was a number of hillary clinton aides on air, off air, saying, almost she could sit on this lead and run out the clock. what do you think of that? >> oh, i wouldn't agree with that advice at all. i think what hillary clinton has the opportunity to do right now is to take this conversation with the voters, and believe it or not that's what this election's supposed to be,

rather than tabloid entertainment, i think she needs to speak, as i heard one of your panelists saying, to the issues that people care about around their own kitchen table. after the kids are in bed at night. how are we going to save for college. what are we going to do with our retirement. is your job going to be there in the future. i mean, these are the issues that hillary clinton has the ability to talk about now. in ways, i think she wasn't able to talk about in the very first debate, or as much as she would have liked to in the second debate. i'm glad, frankly, they're going to talk about immigration reform. i think there is an argument to be made that one of the drags on wages is forcing 11 million of our neighbors to work and live in the shadow economy. i believe, and there are many studies to support this, that immigration reform will actually be a help to our economy. >> you may be right about that, but i've raised this because you did in the debate, and certainly

bernie sanders did, even after you left the race, that we don't know the real hillary clinton on some of these issues like she gets along with the banks or what she wants to do to rein them in. she says something quite different to them behind closed doors. or on trade when you were calling her on some trade issues. it turns out behind closed doors she might have been open to better trades. i guess what i'm saying here is, donald trump is going to try to seize on that. there are two hillary clintons. could that come back to bite her? >> well, i think everybody by this point, i chuckle for a second there, neil, i think everybody knows hillary clinton. i think they know her better than almost anybody else in public life. >> you think you do, right? then you get revelations -- the e-mails are dismissed because of the russians. i understand that. but they do reveal a different hillary clinton, right? >> i'm not sure about that, neil. i've read some of these wicky

leak things. and from the russians. slg i'm still more disturbed not by what i read in the transcripts. i don't think there's anything so sensational there. i am disturbed that the russians are breaking into the democratic party's headquarters and e-mails. look, everybody knows, secretary clinton has been on the public stage a long time. she has had some issue where she has evolved, and changed her mind. the democratic party's platform is more progressive now, because of the exchange of ideas on issues like trade, or other things as well. climate change. i hope they bring up climate change. there are a huge amount of jobs that could be created if as a nation we embrace this challenge. and make it our business opportunity. >> are you surprised, governor, that she has the style, she's gone a lot harder left, for lack of a better term, on issues near and dear to you, certainly near and dear to center sanders.

but her base just isn't super jazzed. they obviously got a little bit more jazzed with gore campaigning on her behalf in florida. talking up the climate change. but they're still not like rabid for her. it seems like they seem to be defaulting to her. what do you think the problem is? >> look, i've been out there a lot. i've been in ohio, back to ohio, new hampshire, pennsylvania. after the first two i did see, neil, an uptick in the excitement among secretary clinton's supporters. their willingness to actually engage and talk and explain to their neighbors why they are for her. i think it's because she dispatched donald trump so readily in both of those debates. she appeared to be -- >> well, many will argue that in the second debate that didn't happen. many argue it's a 1-1 deal. but you have seen some things coming out in wikileaks, you're not keen on it yet, i can see

that -- >> give me -- >> on the clinton campaign, working closely with the democratic national committee, to your detriment and bernie sanders' detriment, that relationship was much koezier than we thought. in relate tro expect, i understand bygones are bigones. but bernie sanders supporters are still very angry and still not willing to support hillary clinton because of those revelations. what about you? >> yeah, i think we all knew that was going on at the time. they never write the rules in such a way as to encourage challen challengers. let's be honest here, senator sanders didn't have any trouble with the delayed debate scheduled, or lack of debates when it served his purpose. but that's all water over the dam. i think after every election you need to look at how we handled our piece of this process.

and i think we would have been better served. i said again and again and again, in fact, very directly to the dnc, look, we should be having more debates. we should not be letting donald trump rise on the other side and being totally mum and silent all through the summer. that was cruddy. but look, that was then. now we're in this conflict now. i believe trump is one of the greatest constitutional threats our republic has seen in a long time. i hope he is repudiated by the voters. and i don't want him dropping out, i want him to be beaten. and i want him to be beaten badly by right-minded democrats, republicans and independents. >> so, governor, this is a news alert here. you're not for donald trump. >> no. i believe this is a choice between freedom and fascism. i'm for secretary clinton. >> that's a little extreme. wee see what happens. governor, thank you very, very much. >> neil, thank you. >> governor martin o'malley. that sets the stage for what i think is going to be a raucous

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